Poll of the Day > Hey Trekkies, when does DS9 get good?

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I tried to watch the original series and I couldn't get into it, watched over half the episodes so you can't say I didn't give it a chance.

I LOVED TNG and finished that quickly.

I know many, or so it seems says DS9 is the best and 6 episodes in and it is a chore to watch them. Is it a slow burn or is this an indication I should just stop?

Season 2 Episode 26

But it's arguably good in Season 1 as well. Duet is for example, a stand out episode.

hypnox posted...

I LOVED TNG and finished that quickly.

I know many, or so it seems says DS9 is the best and 6 episodes in and it is a chore to watch them.

this was my experience as well. I didn't make it.

I dont mean to be a buzzkill or anything but it never gets as good as TNG.

I prefer tng to ds9 as well, but ds9 is still great. Those two are way better than the others. Though, I haven't seen any of discovery and couldn't get past a few eps of the original.

It's pretty good from the start unlike most Star Treks, although it is at its best around season 3 with the Dominion wars. Worf also returns around there and plays a prominent role. DS9 does a good job of fleshing out the various species, although the Ferangi episodes still drive me up the wall at times. I am not a big fan of the Bajorans as well, since they are pretty boring.

Its like power rangers once in space ended anything else after that is ehh

Many of us watched them while they were airing, and this was before the days of netflix etc, so it's a different world now. Ds9 was great and is/was my favorite, but I have not rewatched it in a long time, and back then I could handle it taking awhile to get into a show.

Next Gen was great as well, Ds9 is decent early on but really takes off once Worf joins (he was my favorite char in both series). Cisko was my favorite captain as well. I would say try and get through season 1 if you can before giving up, and if you don't hate it try getting to season 3 where it really takes off.

That being said I don't know how it holds up to shows we get today at this point. Discovery btw was pretty good in season 1 and 2, but I gave up on season 3. Didn't watch most of Voyager or the one after that (enterprise?) at all. Couldn't stand Janeway (and not cause she's a chick, I dig chicks).

Anyway I need to rewatch Ds9 myself but there is a huge backlog of new stuff I need to watch first so it'll probably never happen.

DS9 is the best Star Trek out there imo, and gets good in season 2. TNG on the other hand, is good (3rd best series imo) and doesnt start being worth watching until mid season 3

Lower Decks is the best Star Trek series, don't @ me bros.

But seriously, according to ex astris scientia's ratings (only ratings I'd actually trust) out o 10:
TOS: 4.68
TNG: 5.23
DS9: 5.18
VOY: 5.33
ENT: 4.56
DIS: 3.88
PIC: 5.30
LOW: 5.40

No interest in talking about Prodigy or TAS.

Never. So fucking boring.

Judgmenl posted...

But seriously, according to ex astris scientia's ratings (only ratings I'd actually trust) out o 10:
TOS: 4.68
TNG: 5.23
DS9: 5.18
VOY: 5.33
ENT: 4.56
DIS: 3.88
PIC: 5.30
LOW: 5.40

No interest in talking about Prodigy or TAS.

Anything that gives voyager higher than a 3/10 is a joke. What a waste of a series.

MrMelodramatic posted...

Anything that gives voyager higher than a 3/10 is a joke. What a waste of a series.

At least it had exploring, unlike boring ass ds9.

MrMelodramatic posted...

Anything that gives voyager higher than a 3/10 is a joke. What a waste of a series.

Voyager is extremely underrated. I personally enjoy it and its characters way more than TNG. I actually really dislike TNG.

Wth with picard at 5.3 picard is over ds9? Bog

Season 1

wolfy42 posted...

Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos."

1 Season vs 7 Seasons

Same as when TNG got good, when a main character grows a beard.

SunWuKung420 posted...

At least it had exploring, unlike boring ass ds9.

Yeah ds9 traded all that super exciting samey-looking aliens and planets and plots for boring character development and world building and multi-episode arcs with real consequences. Sucks.

When does Star Trek in general get good? Because the only thing that I've ever seen come close to not being remotely boring are the three Abbrams movies.

MrMelodramatic posted...

boring character development

Got that right.

MrMelodramatic posted...

world building and multi-episode arcs with real consequences

So did TNG and voyager.

Discoveries first season was the best I think, and actually pretty good. A 3.19 is silly low. It was certainly better then the first season of enterprise or Picard (by a huge margin).

I couldn't finish picard honestly, I got about halfway through, maybe it gets better but I highly doubt it. I don't know how it's anywhere NEAR the level of the other shows that actually kept going and had additional seasons.

Picard should be a 1.something.

KaijunoKami posted...

When does Star Trek in general get good? Because the only thing that I've ever seen come close to not being remotely boring are the three Abbrams movies.

Omg, I mean, the age of people on this board is showing I think. I was never a Trekkie like some of my friends but the original star trek was awesome for it's time and showed re-runs for decades afterwards (think you may still find it on some channels). TNG was also awesome, and while the first season took a bit to take off, it was amazing when it came out.

D29 was more divisive, with not everyone liking it, but some like me liked it even more then TNG.

Sadly for me it died after that. I tried with voyager but eventually gave it up, didn't even give Enterprise a shot until a few years ago and only watched a few episodes of it. Discovery was my first time getting back into the universe in decades, and I liked the first and second seasons...the third season was just meh though and I have not finished it.

I'm not a super fan of start trek, but to say that none of the series were ever good or popular is crazy.

Judgmenl posted... Voyager is extremely underrated. I personally enjoy it and its characters way more than TNG. I actually really dislike TNG.

Yeah, no. Voyager is extremely inconsistent with several annoying characters. Then there's the first season or two, where they're tangling with some civilization that can only travel at like warp 5 max, yet somehow they keep popping up lol. They should've been an ep or two at max. Voyager could've been great, but they dropped the ball on it so bad.

It depends. DS9 had a lot of episodes that focused on one character. With only a few that actually progressed the story arc, of which they had 3 going at once without any one effecting the others. So it's all up how much you like the focus character of a given episode.

wolfy42 posted...

the age of people on this board is showing I think

You're like 30 years older than most of the people on this board that aren't you our PO.
Also imagine age shaming someone who has liked a series for over 20 years now.
This is why I hate TNG-fans.
Please if you're gonna try and gatekeep, I have literal thousands of hours in Star Trek Online.

Judgmenl posted...

You're like 30 years older than most of the people on this board that aren't you our PO.
Also imagine age shaming someone who has liked a series for over 20 years now.
This is why I hate TNG-fans.
Please if you're gonna try and gatekeep, I have literal thousands of hours in Star Trek Online.

I was in no way age shaming, just stating that the age of people on this board is probably under 30 on average so they didn't see the shows when they originally aired. That is in no way age shaming lol.

The shows rocked when they were released. If you watch them now, even fans of the shows have a hard time (I started watching Ds9 again a year ago or so and gave up before too long).

Ain't nothing shameful about being young or old, I'm a X-man. I have no prob with millenials or Boomers, or Z's or Alphas or aliens for that matter (or immortals, although there can only be one).

I hate the stupid age war stuff they always do, but yeah, if you streamed Next Gen or Ds9 when you watched it for the first time, it's not at all the same as watching them when they aired.

wolfy42 posted...

I was in no way age shaming, just stating that the age of people on this board is probably under 30 on average so they didn't see the shows when they originally aired.

not likely. I'm 26 and I think I might be one of the younger members of this board.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7690-how-old-are-you

This poll from 2.5 years ago says most people on this website are over 30.

wolfy42 posted...

I was in no way age shaming, just stating that the age of people on this board is probably under 30 on average so they didn't see the shows when they originally aired. That is in no way age shaming lol.

No it's not. Have someone summon Speed's birthday list that he created years ago. The average is in the early 30s.

Judgmenl posted...

LOW: 5.40

Is this a good show? I got recommended clips of it on Youtube.

dragon504 posted...

Yeah, no. Voyager is extremely inconsistent with several annoying characters. Then there's the first season or two, where they're tangling with some civilization that can only travel at like warp 5 max, yet somehow they keep popping up lol. They should've been an ep or two at max. Voyager could've been great, but they dropped the ball on it so bad.

Voyager was like if someone tried to make a serious version of red dwarf and failed miserably (at least to me) even had the holographic doctor I think. Didn't really even have 1 cast member I really liked. It had potential, but totally failed to catch my attention and keep it.

Revelation34 posted...

Is this a good show? I got recommended clips of it on Youtube.

Yeah it's pretty good, weird as that might sound.

I didn't mind Voyager. Seven of Nine & the hologram doctor are pretty entertaining & most of the cast is at least acceptable (although, I dislike Nelix). It also has some pretty varied episodes & even a decent special effects budget, so there are a few Hollywood action style episodes. Although, I do have the agree the Kazon are a joke for a super bad and waste many episodes in the first couple of seasons, but the Borg starting season 3 make up for it. It is a decent but not great series

Now Enterprise. I really disliked that one. There were some decent episodes starting at the end of season 3, but almost the whole cast of the show sucks (outside of Plox, I thought he was good) & the early seasons of that show are a total grind to get through. Plus the series was canceled when it was getting good, so it almost feels pointless to watch. Probably one of the worst endings in Star Trek, since it was so abrupt and anticlimactic.

Revelation34 posted...

Is this a good show? I got recommended clips of it on Youtube.

Yes that rating is an accurate descriptor of how good it is.

I started it too and something about Sisko seems off, like he's a really weird guy.

thekingoftown posted...

I started it too and something about Sisko seems off, like he's a really weird guy.

His line delivery is, weird.

Judgmenl posted...

Season 2 Episode 26

But it's arguably good in Season 1 as well. Duet is for example, a stand out episode.

DS9 is my favorite Trek, I am a giant fan and this saddens me!

I'd say honestly the pilot (Emissary) is really good, as well as a few S1 like Duet you mention, the one with "I am Tosk!" Captive Pursuit, Babel, the finale with Wynn trying to get a brainwashed follower to blow up Keiko's school. My main problem with S1 is that it leans too heavily on established Trek so get stuff like a pretty poor Q episode, Mrs. Troi shows up to make our balls shrivel up into raisins, etc.

S2 has even more good episodes than the first. The Circle trilogy stuff is great as is Necessary Evil (a real standout piece for Odo). The Wire is an early Garak showcase and then you have Blood Oath which features 3 TOS Klingons reprising their roles in a revenge mission with Dax. Towards the end of the season you have a super important episode that starts to show The Dominion, which will become integral to the rest of the entire series.

For my money from S3+ it's amazing, but I wouldn't write off the first 2 seasons at all because there's a lot of character development and world building that's very important.

MrMelodramatic posted...

DS9 is the best Star Trek out there imo, and gets good in season 2. TNG on the other hand, is good (3rd best series imo) and doesnt start being worth watching until mid season 3

TNG Season 3 is the best season of any Trek show, period. I'd still rate DS9 overall as being better, but nothing beats TNG S3 (3-6 is all excellent!)

Judgmenl posted...

Lower Decks is the best Star Trek series, don't @ me bros.

Of the newer crap, Lower Decks is the best by far. I actually look forward to seeing it, as opposed to looking forward to them finally canceling Picard and Discovery.

SunWuKung420 posted...

Never. So fucking boring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGcAbI-4_io

thekingoftown posted...

I started it too and something about Sisko seems off, like he's a really weird guy.

I didn't like Sisko. His character focused episodes were in another time period, and had him as a different character. He's the first point of contact between the federation and the gamma quadrant yet he didn't seem like someone who had lived in the federation. He considers the wormhole and DS9 to be the most important location in the alpha quadrant and he's the commander, but he occasionally brings up how he's still upset about segregation 4 centuries earlier and still can't get past racial issues in an era when not only humanity but other species are unified.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjvYiSDJujA
Legendary video

Revelation34 posted...

Is this a good show? I got recommended clips of it on Youtube.

Yeah it's actually pretty good, but you have to get through the first couple episodes where they seem to go out of their way to make everybody talk a mile a minute and have x/o's do bro fists and stupid stuff like that (in this way, it's a bit like Orville- once they get the early episode cringe out of the way the show really takes off). The four main characters are all good and likable. Tendi is awesome.

At its heart, it's made by actual Trek fans who 'get it' and you can tell. Plus it's nice that they are continuing the TNG / DS9 era aesthetic again, with ships and tech that actually look like something that fits with established canon.

Judgmenl posted...

But seriously, according to ex astris scientia's ratings (only ratings I'd actually trust) out o 10:
TOS: 4.68
TNG: 5.23
DS9: 5.18
VOY: 5.33
ENT: 4.56
DIS: 3.88
PIC: 5.30
LOW: 5.40

No interest in talking about Prodigy or TAS.

Why would you trust ratings that have Picard that high?

So here is the deal for me. When I saw TNG and D29 I was in my 20's (maybe late teens for TNG I forget). I was def in my 20's for Ds9 though cause I was going to college.

I had watched the OT as a kid, and Kirk was pretty masculine over all. I ended up liking Picard over Kirk actually long term, but initially Picard was a bit foo foo for me, not very masculine or a strong captain (at least didn't feel that way at first).

Then you had Sisko, that dude had some rage issues lol, but he was also very masculine and in charge. He was more so even then Kirk in my opinion and I liked him the most.

You went from him to Janeway who was like some evanaglistic stick up the hiney captain who I didn't like at all (and i would have been so down for a strong female captain believe me). Sisko was the most like a Worf captain to me (and Worf was my favorite character."

The shows themselves also had a variety of good characters both TNG and Ds9 had multiple characters that I really liked, including the same characters in some cases. Even though they count as different shows, to me Ds9 continues TNG's story in some ways since you had characters carry over, so it just got better.

I still have seen the original star trek episodes more times then any other series, and remember individual episodes from it easier/better (trouble with tribbles and mudd etc). I also generally use saying/phrases from that show sometimes in real life, far more then TNG or Ds9 and I have not even seen every episode of either series more than once (while I have seen all episodes of the original show at least 3-4 times maybe more.)

That doesn't make the original my favorite, but it does mean it's had more legs over time.

You mustve loved Trials and Tribulations.

My dad got me into TOS reruns in the 70s but I didnt watch TNG first-run until maybe S5 or so. After that I was glued to my tv every week, then later I caught the earlier stuff on syndication at 7pm each night and watched those for years.

DS9 though I got to watch right from the get go and that was it. Watched it religiously each week all the way to the (Gowron eyes) GLORIOUS END. I also watched Voyager on the Ill-fated UPN but I think I tuned out around S3 or so, as it just wasnt the same as I think most fans might agree.

Everyone says season 3, but it's actually season 4 where it really kicks in, and it gets better from there. 3's still good though, and I even thought 2 was pretty solid.

EAS's ratings are very tough. I don't agree with everything he says, but overall it's a good collection of reviews. He still hasn't started DISCO-4 or Prodigy.

There's also Kethinov, who's probably a little less strict but is very biased against TOS. For some reason he just disappeared after Discovery season 3 episode 2. His averages:
http://kethinov.com/startrek_statistics.php

The other 2 major reviewers I've followed were/are DITL and Jammer. DITL refused to do any new Star Trek series, but did average his reviews. Jammer doesn't post averages, but is probably the most currently active of the 4
https://www.ditl.org/stats-page.php?ListID=Reviews
https://www.jammersreviews.com/

EDIT: Just as I linked to DITL, he posted that he just reviewed Picard...

I used to visit Jammers site a lot (you can probably find comments by Del_Duio going back 10+ years)

I hadnt been there for a long time but last I checked I was very surprised to see that he seems to really dislike Lower Decks and rate even the terrible Picard over it.

wolfy42 posted...

So here is the deal for me. When I saw TNG and D29 I was in my 20's (maybe late teens for TNG I forget). I was def in my 20's for Ds9 though cause I was going to college.

I had watched the OT as a kid, and Kirk was pretty masculine over all. I ended up liking Picard over Kirk actually long term, but initially Picard was a bit foo foo for me, not very masculine or a strong captain (at least didn't feel that way at first).

Then you had Sisko, that dude had some rage issues lol, but he was also very masculine and in charge. He was more so even then Kirk in my opinion and I liked him the most.

You went from him to Janeway who was like some evanaglistic stick up the hiney captain who I didn't like at all (and i would have been so down for a strong female captain believe me). Sisko was the most like a Worf captain to me (and Worf was my favorite character."

The shows themselves also had a variety of good characters both TNG and Ds9 had multiple characters that I really liked, including the same characters in some cases. Even though they count as different shows, to me Ds9 continues TNG's story in some ways since you had characters carry over, so it just got better.

I still have seen the original star trek episodes more times then any other series, and remember individual episodes from it easier/better (trouble with tribbles and mudd etc). I also generally use saying/phrases from that show sometimes in real life, far more then TNG or Ds9 and I have not even seen every episode of either series more than once (while I have seen all episodes of the original show at least 3-4 times maybe more.)

That doesn't make the original my favorite, but it does mean it's had more legs over time.

I know I would have watched some of them as a kid but I can't remember any episodes I would have been watching. I didn't really get into Star Trek until I was an adult.

wolfy42 posted...

I'm not a super fan of start trek, but to say that none of the series were ever good or popular is crazy.

Being good and being popular are two different things though.

Twilight is not remotely good, yet, it made tons of money. Avatar was a garbage film, but also made Cameron rich enough to pay off his exs'.

Nevertheless, I've never been able to get into ST. As I said, I just find the show boring and that is every iteration I have ever tried to watch. And this is coming from someone who is a huge Twilight Zone and Doctor Who fan.

wolfy42 posted...
I was in no way age shaming, just stating that the age of people on this board is probably under 30 on average so they didn't see the shows when they originally aired. That is in no way age shaming lol.

Yeah, I didn't see what you said as age shaming at all. To answer your question though, I'm 39.