Current Events > Scripted unwinnable matches should be banned from all JRPGs

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xXfireglzXx 01/02/22 7:35:06 AM #51:	Threads of fate had some of the worst of these. But then you hear the soundtrack for Dewprism forest and all is forgiven. --- Official ANCIENT Killer. I make account bets from time to time so either man up or shut up. The Quote is dedicated to those we have lost. <cite>xXfireglzXx posted [p:961404369] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>Threads of fate had some of the worst of these. But then you hear the soundtrack for Dewprism forest and all is forgiven. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VigorouslySwish 01/02/22 7:36:58 AM #53:	Its usually p obvious when the battle is impossible imo --- i'm just some guy yellin' about apple sauce <cite>VigorouslySwish posted [p:961404388] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>Its usually p obvious when the battle is impossible imo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forest_Temple 01/02/22 7:37:12 AM #54:	Strider102 posted... Enemy deals relatively normal damage Player: "I can win this!" Several turns pass Enemy: Ok, I'm done playing around. Enemy deals 9999 damage to entire party Player: "Wtf is this shit!?" 20 hours later Enemy: "It seems we have the same goal. Allow me to join you." Party members: "Great! You'll definitely help us out!" party enters regular battle Player: "Ok, let's see what this character can do, let's goooo!!!" Former enemy deals 17 damage, gets 1 hit KO'd against rabbit Player: "What the hell is this!?" Every damn time --- So much to do, so little time. <cite>Forest_Temple posted [p:961404389] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>Strider102 posted... </cite> <quote>Enemy deals relatively normal damage Player: "I can win this!" Several turns pass Enemy: Ok, I'm done playing around. Enemy deals 9999 damage to entire party Player: "Wtf is this shit!?" 20 hours later Enemy: "It seems we have the same goal. Allow me to join you." Party members: "Great! You'll definitely help us out!" party enters regular battle Player: "Ok, let's see what this character can do, let's goooo!!!" Former enemy deals 17 damage, gets 1 hit KO'd against rabbit Player: "What the hell is this!?"</quote>Every damn time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forest_Temple 01/02/22 7:37:41 AM #55:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Literally the greatest game ever created --- So much to do, so little time. <cite>Forest_Temple posted [p:961404392] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Literally the greatest game ever created </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 01/02/22 7:48:17 AM #56:	spikethedevil posted... There is the Xenoblade 2 win the boss fight but loose in the cutscene afterwords method. I will quit any game that does this --- https://i.imgur.com/u5kY6Yt.gif https://i.imgur.com/V6HBhkR.png <cite>Doe posted [p:961404489] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>spikethedevil posted... </cite> <quote>There is the Xenoblade 2 win the boss fight but loose in the cutscene afterwords method.</quote>I will quit any game that does this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 01/02/22 7:51:17 AM #57:	As long as the game makes it known that you can't win it and/or they restore your resources afterwards, it's fine. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:961404510] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>As long as the game makes it known that you can't win it and/or they restore your resources afterwards, it's fine. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AzurexNightmare 01/02/22 7:53:38 AM #58:	lilORANG posted... I have the opposite problem of assuming certain battles are unwinnable bc of how tough they are, only to realize "shit I actually have to beat this guy" I've had this happen to me PLUS a 2nd form that you have to fight right after the form that you're already overwhelmed by. --- Latest Game Completed 100% Resident Evil VII <cite>AzurexNightmare posted [p:961404530] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>lilORANG posted... </cite> <quote>I have the opposite problem of assuming certain battles are unwinnable bc of how tough they are, only to realize "shit I actually have to beat this guy"</quote>I've had this happen to me PLUS a 2nd form that you have to fight right after the form that you're already overwhelmed by. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solhdier 01/02/22 7:57:20 AM #59:	In Chrono Trigger there were more than one "unwinnable" matches but if you won it actually affected the ending. What an awesome game. --- Mexican ? Block <cite>Solhdier posted [p:961404561] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>In Chrono Trigger there were more than one "unwinnable" matches but if you won it actually affected the ending. What an awesome game. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zergrush80 01/02/22 8:08:05 AM #60:	Ever play Eternal Sonata....that first meeting with Fugue where he utterly destroys you. I even tried grinding my ass off to higher lvls but no matter wat he one-shot combos you. --- For the Swarm!!!!! <cite>Zergrush80 posted [p:961404640] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>Ever play Eternal Sonata....that first meeting with Fugue where he utterly destroys you. I even tried grinding my ass off to higher lvls but no matter wat he one-shot combos you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 01/02/22 8:10:06 AM #61:	AzurexNightmare posted... I've had this happen to me PLUS a 2nd form that you have to fight right after the form that you're already overwhelmed by. Going off of that, the 1st fight being so tough you assume it's the Final Battle and waste all of your resources, only to realize there's 1-2 whole phases after that. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:961404655] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>AzurexNightmare posted... </cite> <quote>I've had this happen to me PLUS a 2nd form that you have to fight right after the form that you're already overwhelmed by.</quote> Going off of that, the 1st fight being so tough you assume it's the Final Battle and waste all of your resources, only to realize there's 1-2 whole phases after that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
From_Within 01/02/22 8:21:17 AM #62:	Mistere Man posted... I like when you can win them and get a reward for it. Even if the story scene is the same. This is the best way to go. Make it something just above theoretically possible, and reward those who persist. <cite>From_Within posted [p:961404746] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>Mistere Man posted... </cite> <quote>I like when you can win them and get a reward for it. Even if the story scene is the same.</quote> This is the best way to go. Make it something just above theoretically possible, and reward those who persist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkninja42 01/02/22 8:34:50 AM #63:	Slayer_22 posted... Well, you don't HAVE to lose to him. You can actually beat him and unlock the post game modes, so it's less like this where you're scripted to be unable to win. Like I said, you have to lose to him to finish the mission, otherwise you get the hidden ending and have to do the mission over, so in principle it's still the same thing. --- I'm far from high end, I just know what suits me. <cite>Darkninja42 posted [p:961404848] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>Slayer_22 posted... </cite> <quote>Well, you don't HAVE to lose to him. You can actually beat him and unlock the post game modes, so it's less like this where you're scripted to be unable to win.</quote>Like I said, you have to lose to him to finish the mission, otherwise you get the hidden ending and have to do the mission over, so in principle it's still the same thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Maze_ 01/02/22 10:08:15 AM #64:	One of my faves is Dragon Age origins There's a really hard fight at the end of a mandatory story quest. You're supposed to lose (the game even gives you the option to surrender) and then you get thrown in prison and either have to escape yourself or be rescued by your friends That's obviously what the devs intended But you can just win the fight and skip the entire prison section. Bioware put a lot of (quite funny) dialogue and effort into a quest you can just not do instead of just having a cutscene where you all die I appreciate that --- When the going gets tough, the tough go have a little cry in the corner. "Your mustache is crooked" ~ R.I.P Randy Savage. <cite>Maze_ posted [p:961406057] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>One of my faves is Dragon Age origins There's a really hard fight at the end of a mandatory story quest. You're supposed to lose (the game even gives you the option to surrender) and then you get thrown in prison and either have to escape yourself or be rescued by your friends That's obviously what the devs intended But you can just win the fight and skip the entire prison section. Bioware put a lot of (quite funny) dialogue and effort into a quest you can just not do instead of just having a cutscene where you all die I appreciate that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
apolloooo 01/02/22 10:10:48 AM #65:	Mistere Man posted... I like when you can win them and get a reward for it. Even if the story scene is the same. --- http://i.imgtc.com/iJyp6bF.png http://i.imgtc.com/ZBw36Qh.png Thanks for the peeps that made the pics <3 if i make typos it means i am on phone <cite>apolloooo posted [p:961406115] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>Mistere Man posted... </cite> <quote>I like when you can win them and get a reward for it. Even if the story scene is the same.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KiwiTerraRizing 01/02/22 10:24:25 AM #66:	No, but should be skippable on subsequent playthroughs --- Trucking Legend Don Schneider! <cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted [p:961406312] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>No, but should be skippable on subsequent playthroughs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zado19 01/02/22 10:43:02 AM #67:	lilORANG posted... I have the opposite problem of assuming certain battles are unwinnable bc of how tough they are, only to realize "shit I actually have to beat this guy" thats the worst lol spikethedevil posted... There is the Xenoblade 2 win the boss fight but loose in the cutscene afterwords method. also poison <cite>zado19 posted [p:961406640] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>lilORANG posted... </cite> <quote>I have the opposite problem of assuming certain battles are unwinnable bc of how tough they are, only to realize "shit I actually have to beat this guy"</quote>thats the worst lol spikethedevil posted... </cite> <quote>There is the Xenoblade 2 win the boss fight but loose in the cutscene afterwords method.</quote>also poison </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bigtiggie23 01/02/22 5:09:08 PM #68:	Mistere Man posted... I like when you can win them and get a reward for it. Even if the story scene is the same. Gades in Lufia 2 is a good example here. --- Seeing people get defeated by a paper towel dispenser will always be hilarious. <cite>bigtiggie23 posted [p:961416148] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>Mistere Man posted...</cite> <quote>I like when you can win them and get a reward for it. Even if the story scene is the same. </quote> Gades in Lufia 2 is a good example here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Noumas 01/05/22 6:47:19 AM #69:	lilORANG posted... I have the opposite problem of assuming certain battles are unwinnable bc of how tough they are, only to realize "shit I actually have to beat this guy" What about if its unwinnable but you have to wait for the story segment to kick in and have to last a set number of minutes <cite>Noumas posted [p:961486236] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>lilORANG posted... </cite> <quote>I have the opposite problem of assuming certain battles are unwinnable bc of how tough they are, only to realize "shit I actually have to beat this guy"</quote>What about if its unwinnable but you have to wait for the story segment to kick in and have to last a set number of minutes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 01/05/22 6:54:38 AM #70:	Kloe_Rinz posted... what about a boss fight that is designed for you to lose, but gives you a chance to win? in the cutscene afterwards they just play it off like "is that all you got? no? well shit". the fight itself is extremely tough but can be overcome Suikoden 2 ~~Rowd~~ You can win the fight but it's very difficult. Like not worth it kind of difficult. Scene afterwards changes too, but the story doesn't change. --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:961486300] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite> <quote>what about a boss fight that is designed for you to lose, but gives you a chance to win? in the cutscene afterwards they just play it off like "is that all you got? no? well shit". the fight itself is extremely tough but can be overcome</quote> Suikoden 2 Rowd You can win the fight but it's very difficult. Like not worth it kind of difficult. Scene afterwards changes too, but the story doesn't change. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 01/05/22 7:05:11 AM #71:	xXfireglzXx posted... Threads of fate had some of the worst of these. But then you hear the soundtrack for Dewprism forest and all is forgiven. That wasn't even turn based --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:961486392] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>xXfireglzXx posted... </cite> <quote>Threads of fate had some of the worst of these. But then you hear the soundtrack for Dewprism forest and all is forgiven.</quote> That wasn't even turn based </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smiffwilm 01/05/22 7:27:41 AM #72:	Somebody's mad that Beatrix remains undefeated. --- My Mario Maker 2 ID is 6RG-5XK-JCG <cite>Smiffwilm posted [p:961486607] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>Somebody's mad that Beatrix remains undefeated. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 01/05/22 7:39:03 AM #73:	Ilishe posted... That wasn't even turn based When did TC say examples have to be turned based? --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:961486715] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>Ilishe posted... </cite> <quote>That wasn't even turn based</quote> When did TC say examples have to be turned based? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 01/05/22 7:42:32 AM #74:	What I hate most in any game is when you win in the game but lose in the cutscene. Feels like such a kick in the balls. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:961486754] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>What I hate most in any game is when you win in the game but lose in the cutscene. Feels like such a kick in the balls. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 01/05/22 7:49:49 AM #75:	pinky0926 posted... What I hate most in any game is when you win in the game but lose in the cutscene. Feels like such a kick in the balls. Came to say that. Only time it didn't bother me was street fighter V. Reason being is normally it would have you play whoever won. Even if the villain. So the one time they didn't I figured it was to display she was a more skilled fighter but just didn't have the strength to really phase him. And I don't think think lost either iirc it was kind of a stalemate as far as the fight went. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:961486844] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite> <quote>What I hate most in any game is when you win in the game but lose in the cutscene. Feels like such a kick in the balls.</quote> Came to say that. Only time it didn't bother me was street fighter V. Reason being is normally it would have you play whoever won. Even if the villain. So the one time they didn't I figured it was to display she was a more skilled fighter but just didn't have the strength to really phase him. And I don't think think lost either iirc it was kind of a stalemate as far as the fight went. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 01/05/22 8:39:02 AM #76:	I like how Trails does it. You are supposed to lose, but you get rewards if you "win" and when you win the cutscene still has you lose since the enemy you are fighting are supposed to be a lot stronger than you are at the point you are facing them. Or there are ones where you need to just survive, or injure the enemies to a certain point like bring them down to 70% health. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:961487479] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>I like how Trails does it. You are supposed to lose, but you get rewards if you "win" and when you win the cutscene still has you lose since the enemy you are fighting are supposed to be a lot stronger than you are at the point you are facing them. Or there are ones where you need to just survive, or injure the enemies to a certain point like bring them down to 70% health. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 01/05/22 10:34:58 AM #77:	pinky0926 posted... What I hate most in any game is when you win in the game but lose in the cutscene. Feels like such a kick in the balls. I mentioned that Xenoblade 2 does this a lot earlier and its very annoying as its most of the boss fights in the first half of the game. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:961489493] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite> <quote>What I hate most in any game is when you win in the game but lose in the cutscene. Feels like such a kick in the balls.</quote> I mentioned that Xenoblade 2 does this a lot earlier and its very annoying as its most of the boss fights in the first half of the game. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Noumas 01/07/22 6:44:05 AM #78:	pinky0926 posted... What I hate most in any game is when you win in the game but lose in the cutscene. Feels like such a kick in the balls. But you get an item for it so the game acknowledges that you "won" <cite>Noumas posted [p:961542629] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite> <quote>What I hate most in any game is when you win in the game but lose in the cutscene. Feels like such a kick in the balls.</quote>But you get an item for it so the game acknowledges that you "won" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 01/07/22 7:05:08 AM #79:	Yea, them being winnable offers a fun challenge for players interested. But if not are just a waste of time Even ones where you win the battle, but lose story wise still. Just have them fight something or something else and then lose afterward. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:961542769] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>Yea, them being winnable offers a fun challenge for players interested. But if not are just a waste of time Even ones where you win the battle, but lose story wise still. Just have them fight something or something else and then lose afterward. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Noumas 01/09/22 6:50:35 AM #80:	Prismsblade posted... Yea, them being winnable offers a fun challenge for players interested. But if not are just a waste of time Even ones where you win the battle, but lose story wise still. Just have them fight something or something else and then lose afterward. Its why I never waste elixirs or valuable battle items until the superboss, because you never know if it's a scripted battle or not <cite>Noumas posted [p:961597703] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>Prismsblade posted... </cite> <quote>Yea, them being winnable offers a fun challenge for players interested. But if not are just a waste of time Even ones where you win the battle, but lose story wise still. Just have them fight something or something else and then lose afterward.</quote>Its why I never waste elixirs or valuable battle items until the superboss, because you never know if it's a scripted battle or not </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 01/09/22 7:17:36 AM #81:	Only time I can think of not minding unwinnable battles is thr few times they at least make out like you where whooping them so they busted out a desperation attack and managed to take you down. Not sure if the case but my mind goes to Kuja and Ultima. It didn't seem like you where beating him per say more like Kuja going oh this is actually starting to sting a little let's end this Could be bias though as I find Kuja one of the most bad ass FF villains cause iirc he never suffers a true loss in battle against Zidane and company. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:961597935] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>Only time I can think of not minding unwinnable battles is thr few times they at least make out like you where whooping them so they busted out a desperation attack and managed to take you down. Not sure if the case but my mind goes to Kuja and Ultima. It didn't seem like you where beating him per say more like Kuja going oh this is actually starting to sting a little let's end this Could be bias though as I find Kuja one of the most bad ass FF villains cause iirc he never suffers a true loss in battle against Zidane and company. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lordgold666 01/09/22 5:28:54 PM #82:	Strider102 posted... Enemy deals relatively normal damage Player: "I can win this!" Several turns pass Enemy: Ok, I'm done playing around. Enemy deals 9999 damage to entire party Player: "Wtf is this shit!?" 20 hours later Enemy: "It seems we have the same goal. Allow me to join you." Party members: "Great! You'll definitely help us out!" party enters regular battle Player: "Ok, let's see what this character can do, let's goooo!!!" Former enemy deals 17 damage, gets 1 hit KO'd against rabbit Player: "What the hell is this!?" Lol --- "May the Father of Understanding guide you." http://error1355.com/ce/Lordgold666.html <cite>Lordgold666 posted [p:961610695] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>Strider102 posted... </cite> <quote>Enemy deals relatively normal damage Player: "I can win this!" Several turns pass Enemy: Ok, I'm done playing around. Enemy deals 9999 damage to entire party Player: "Wtf is this shit!?" 20 hours later Enemy: "It seems we have the same goal. Allow me to join you." Party members: "Great! You'll definitely help us out!" party enters regular battle Player: "Ok, let's see what this character can do, let's goooo!!!" Former enemy deals 17 damage, gets 1 hit KO'd against rabbit Player: "What the hell is this!?"</quote>Lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Noumas 01/11/22 3:53:09 AM #83:	Strider102 posted... Enemy deals relatively normal damage Player: "I can win this!" Several turns pass Enemy: Ok, I'm done playing around. Enemy deals 9999 damage to entire party Player: "Wtf is this shit!?" 20 hours later Enemy: "It seems we have the same goal. Allow me to join you." Party members: "Great! You'll definitely help us out!" party enters regular battle Player: "Ok, let's see what this character can do, let's goooo!!!" Former enemy deals 17 damage, gets 1 hit KO'd against rabbit Player: "What the hell is this!?" Magus: "I feel personally attacked" <cite>Noumas posted [p:961652976] in Scripted u... [t:79836003]...</cite> <quote>Strider102 posted... </cite> <quote>Enemy deals relatively normal damage Player: "I can win this!" Several turns pass Enemy: Ok, I'm done playing around. Enemy deals 9999 damage to entire party Player: "Wtf is this shit!?" 20 hours later Enemy: "It seems we have the same goal. Allow me to join you." Party members: "Great! You'll definitely help us out!" party enters regular battle Player: "Ok, let's see what this character can do, let's goooo!!!" Former enemy deals 17 damage, gets 1 hit KO'd against rabbit Player: "What the hell is this!?"</quote>Magus: "I feel personally attacked" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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