Current Events > Parents of trans 5-year-old post heartwarming story of child's transition

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People getting angry at parents and a kid they never met sure is weird.

Wolfesth6090 posted...

Should the child be removed from the parents in your opinion then?

I dont know, to be perfectly honest. Perhaps. Situations like this are a political powder keg. But I do know this: if a parent insists on putting a child through life altering procedures that can have permanent emotional, psychological, and physical ramifications, simply because my five year old child said they wanted it, then somebody from social services needs to step in.

Thats my opinion on it.

MarveI posted...

I dont know, to be perfectly honest. Perhaps. Situations like this are a political powder keg. But I do know this: if a parent insists on putting a child through life altering procedures that can have permanent emotional, psychological, and physical ramifications, simply because my five year old child said they wanted it, then somebody from social services needs to step in.

Thats my opinion on it.

You've stated your opinion.
I have no intention of doing so in this thread.
It'll look like the Red Wedding in here tomorrow.

MarveI posted...

I dont know, to be perfectly honest. Perhaps. Situations like this are a political powder keg. But I do know this: if a parent insists on putting a child through life altering procedures that can have permanent emotional, psychological, and physical ramifications, simply because my five year old child said they wanted it, then somebody from social services needs to step in.

Thats my opinion on it.

A transphobic opinion at that, at least according to some people.

DowntownMrSmith posted...

The mom is already contemplating putting the child on hormone blockers, which could render then permanently unable to have children.

That's not what puberty blockers do. Nobody would give them to a kid without years of consistently aligning with a gender other than their birth one. And nobody has ever done surgery or anything close to someone just for expressing any signs of gender incongruities. There's so much bullshit gatekeeping. Listen to trans people. Respect them. Don't speak over them saying it's abuse.

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Its super cool and good and very under control

DowntownMrSmith posted...

The mom is already contemplating putting the child on hormone blockers, which could render then permanently unable to have children.

You don't even read your own article.

The mom is considering what the child will want in the future, including possibly blockers and surgery.

She's thinking about the future of her child.

Which is something that roughly 100% of parents do.

Funkydog posted...

CE and trans topics, name a worse combination.

Hitler and....well ya know

Jagr_68 posted...

Hitler and....well ya know

At least you're setting the bar high for CE.

MarveI posted...

I dont know, to be perfectly honest. Perhaps. Situations like this are a political powder keg. But I do know this: if a parent insists on putting a child through life altering procedures that can have permanent emotional, psychological, and physical ramifications, simply because my five year old child said they wanted it, then somebody from social services needs to step in.

Thats my opinion on it.

This happened a while ago, maybe it was in the 70s... Some doctor performed gender assignment surgery as an experiment on a child after telling the parents that gender is assigned by how you raise the kid. Of course, the child went on to committ suicide later in life, I believe.

No source.... I saw it on one of those learning channels a while back..

Punished_Blinx posted...

People getting angry at parents and a kid they never met sure is weird.

It seems like people are more concerned for the childs well-being than angry.

So not wanting to wear skirts means they are transgender?

DowntownMrSmith posted...

It seems like people are more concerned for the childs well-being than angry.

What's to be concerned about?

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

So not wanting to wear skirts means they are transgender?

If you'll read the article, there is more to it than that.

Not my kid, not my problem

I don't agree with them putting their kid out there though. I always find that off-putting as fuck any time I see it

DowntownMrSmith posted...

my liberal Los Angeles neighborhood where Clark is one of several nonbinary children.

Just emphasizing this line. Not going to say anything else.

CyricZ posted...

You don't even read your own article.

The mom is considering what the child will want in the future, including possibly blockers and surgery.

She's thinking about the future of her child.

Which is something that roughly 100% of parents do.

You really think the mom isnt ready to give hormones as soon as she can do so? Did you miss the part where most of her friend circle has a non binary kid? Its literally a cool badge of honor to have one. Peer pressure and social contagion are a real thing.

DowntownMrSmith posted...

The mom is already contemplating putting the child on hormone blockers, which could render then permanently unable to have children.

stop being disingenuous.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/5/4/AARX-HAACugC.jpg
and nobody is putting a five year old on hormone blockers, this is done shortly before puberty

DowntownMrSmith posted...

It seems like people are more concerned for the childs well-being than angry.

A child that you know literally nothing about outside of this article.

Is there any evidence the child is unhappy?

DowntownMrSmith posted...

You really think the mom isnt ready to give hormones as soon as she can do so? Did you miss the part where most of her friend circle has a non binary kid? Its literally a cool badge of honor to have one. Peer pressure and social contagion are a real thing.

How far away is "as soon as she can do so"

kelemvor posted...

This happened a while ago, maybe it was in the 70s... Some doctor performed gender assignment surgery as an experiment on a child after telling the parents that gender is assigned by how you raise the kid. Of course, the child went on to committ suicide later in life, I believe.

No source.... I saw it on one of those learning channels a while back..

You can't even remember the case correctly. Doctor John Money was a monster and all that story shows that you can't make a kid trans, that their gender is innate.

Great story, glad Clark has caring, reasonable parents that want to make sure their child is healthy and happy rather than trying to force them to be something they don't feel comfortable with. Wish more parents cared about their kids emotional well being enough to set aside their personal biases and actually do what is best for their kids

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This.

DowntownMrSmith posted...

You really think the mom isnt ready to give hormones as soon as she can do so? Did you miss the part where most of her friend circle has a non binary kid? Its literally a cool badge of honor to have one. Peer pressure and social contagion are a real thing.

I get that's a series of assumptions that you're making.

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

So not wanting to wear skirts means they are transgender?

You hear about situations like this with parents and a young kid from time to time, and it almost always seems to primarily be a fashion thing.

When someone states they dont feel like a boy/girl, the logical follow-up question is what does it feel like to be a boy/girl? Is there a checklist? The basis for these situations seems very much divorced from body dysmorphia, which seems like it would be preposterous at that age.

Seems like attention whore parents dragging their kid into it. Tale as old as time.

And that child's name? Albert Einstein.

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Dude, Transitioning surgery is a half trillion dollar potential market that pharmaceutical companies are actively researching on. Do you really want to bias your opinions purely doctors who are getting a profit out of recommending kids to transition?

NeoShadowhen posted...

You hear about situations like this with parents and a young kid from time to time, and it almost always seems to primarily be a fashion thing.

When someone states they dont feel like a boy/girl, the logical follow-up question is what does it feel like to be a boy/girl? Is there a checklist? The basis for these situations seems very much divorced from body dysmorphia, which seems like it would be preposterous at that age.

Seems like attention whore parents dragging their kid into it. Tale as old as time.

Exactly, common sense tells you its most likely a small child making a fashion choice because they dont know any better, not actual body dysmorphia.

This is the most fake thing I have ever read, people from this board could do a more convincing job lol.

Sad_Face posted...

Do you really want to bias your opinions purely doctors

As opposed to what, a dude that thinks pizzagate is real?

Ill take the doctors

DowntownMrSmith posted...

Exactly, common sense tells you its most likely a small child making a fashion choice because they dont know any better, not actual body dysmorphia.

Prove it.

Based on how her entire social circle seems to have a non binary kid its probably just a badge to the parents. Like a see how progressive we are! sort of thing.

Materus posted...

Based on how her entire social circle seems to have a non binary kid its probably just a badge to the parents. Like a see how progressive we are! sort of thing.

"I reached out to transgender friends"

"In my DMs, friends reached out to connect me to other families with transgender or nonbinary kids. "

Nowhere a suggestion that their entire social circle was NB.

Seriously, do you people just foster hate in your hearts? What brings someone to think like this and just make stuff up? Do you need a hug? Have you been hugged lately?

I'm glad we have lots of people who have studied children in depth and are aware of the different stages of development regarding their self identity. Makes me glad to know we have well versed people posting on CE!

Much better than other internet forums where it is just people posting "what they feel" in regards to trans people while ignoring anything that goes against preconceived notions.

DowntownMrSmith posted...

You really think the mom isnt ready to give hormones as soon as she can do so? Did you miss the part where most of her friend circle has a non binary kid? Its literally a cool badge of honor to have one. Peer pressure and social contagion are a real thing.

Wow that's insane.

CyricZ posted...

"I reached out to transgender friends"

"In my DMs, friends reached out to connect me to other families with transgender or nonbinary kids. "

Nowhere a suggestion that their entire social circle was NB.

Seriously, do you people just foster hate in your hearts? What brings someone to think like this and just make stuff up? Do you need a hug? Have you been hugged lately?

I have a pretty unhealthy level of hate yeah. I lived in LA for about a decade, the people there would absolutely make shit like this up. I would believe them if there were from bumfuck nowhere but LA? That shit so straight clout.

and if you are offering a hug, sure. I got one from my daughter a few hours ago but Im always down.

Sad_Face posted...

Dude, Transitioning surgery is a half trillion dollar potential market that pharmaceutical companies are actively researching on. Do you really want to bias your opinions purely doctors who are getting a profit out of recommending kids to transition?

"You can't trust doctors because they're all paid off by Big Pharma. Trust what I'm saying. I have no expertise and get my views from rich politicians and media influencers. They really know what's up."

The world truly is dead. Half the world gave up on doctors purely because their favorite personalities ordered them to.

DowntownMrSmith posted...

Exactly, common sense tells you its most likely a small child making a fashion choice because they dont know any better, not actual body dysmorphia.

Good thing transition is a long process and doctors will get down to the bottom of what the kid is feeling and how to proceed

Materus posted...

I have a pretty unhealthy level of hate yeah. I lived in LA for about a decade, the people there would absolutely make shit like this up. I would believe them if there were from bumfuck nowhere but LA? That shit so straight clout.

So what makes you believe that this is a lie?

CyricZ posted...

Prove it.

I can't prove it and neither can the parents, but this is where the parents' logic really falls apart. In so many of these stories, the "I knew they were non binary" moment is when the child makes a choice involving fashion, or a haircut, or something cosmetic like lipstick. Those things have significance to the adults, but much less significance to a small child, because the child doesn't understand that certain clothes or haircuts are associated with boys or girls. They don't think it's a big deal to ask for a skirt instead of pants. So it's really the parents attaching their own significance to what might be meaningless choices for the child.

DowntownMrSmith posted...

the "I knew they were non binary" moment is when the child makes a choice involving fashion

That's not what was in the article. Again, making stuff up to peddle your own narrative.

Funny, given Materus is apparently so good at reading bullshit but can't read yours.

because the child doesn't understand that certain clothes or haircuts are associated with boys or girls

Children know there's a difference between boys and girls at age two. Clark is five.

So it's really the parents attaching their own significance to what might be meaningless choices for the child.

And the rest of the examples provided in the article is what? Fiction?

DowntownMrSmith posted...

I can't prove it and neither can the parents, but this is where the parents' logic really falls apart. In so many of these stories, the "I knew they were non binary" moment is when the child makes a choice involving fashion, or a haircut, or something cosmetic like lipstick. Those things have significance to the adults, but much less significance to a small child, because the child doesn't understand that certain clothes or haircuts are associated with boys or girls. They don't think it's a big deal to ask for a skirt instead of pants. So it's really the parents attaching their own significance to what might be meaningless choices for the child.

Many trans people knew as small children and very few had supportive parents, let alone "woke" ones.

And saying adults are the ones that assign so much value to gender/societal roles is a statement so close to a breakthrough in support of the LGBT community and you can't even realize it.

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"Doctors have a financial incentive" says people who support polticians with stock in pharmaceutical companies. I don't know how they lack so much awareness when they say things.

At bedtime, I introduced a childrens book I bought. When we read "It Feels Good to Be Yourself: A Book About Gender Identity" by Theresa Thorn, Clark pointed to the page with the nonbinary description and said, Thats how I feel. I dont feel like a boy or a girl.

I feel like I would need to get a hold of this book for that comment to make any sense. I dont know what I would say if asked what it feels like to be a boy or a girl. Can anyone here provide some insight?

who cares, not my child, not my family. they can do whatever they want.

Hope they turn out ok