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HairyQueen 12/01/21 3:45:39 AM #102:	OpWarpSpeed posted... This "joke" gets old. One of my friends started to play his theme whenever I spoke, and it's frustrating to deal with. --- Good vibes only <cite>HairyQueen posted [p:960514061] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>OpWarpSpeed posted... </cite> <quote>This "joke" gets old. One of my friends started to play his theme whenever I spoke, and it's frustrating to deal with.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 12/01/21 5:31:20 AM #103:	MajesticFerret posted... Tbf, it's reaching the point where systemic racism has kinda been the catch all argument for lack of black verticality to the point of literal laziness and there's a lot of questionable gaps in it being the catch all reason that still don't add up. 1. People who come to the US with language gaps and even less wealth than Americanized black people tend to have higher wealth verticality. This suggests that it's more than merely an issue of wealth or even lack of access to top tier education. 2. Speaking of education, black people are disproportionately likely to drop out of HS, which is definitely a black community PR problem that only they themselves can truly address. 3. African black people are not only one of the highest earning demographics, but also one of the least criminalized people in this country. Furthermore, people who come to this country with nothing and are low earners with language gaps are also usually in low income neighborhoods, yet they are still commiting much less violent crime... The reality is, the truth is probably a bit inbetween systemic racism and what Candace advocates. It is a combination of both disadvantaged circumstance and constant emphasis on this disenfranchisement, that there is some magical politician one term away from fixing all of their problems, or the constant nihilism that racism is so strong and prevalent in this country that is an insurmountable obstacle to black people's success. And as already pointed out in this topic, this isn't a 99.99% black people problem, it's just a problem prevalent in a very small percentage of the community that is struggling due to a variety of reasons. However, I think we've reached the point where dismissing a very high percentage of black crime (which is dispreportionately done to other black people) and homocide (again, dispreportionately done to other black people) as merely society at large being the ONLY or even the MAIN factor at this point...is part of the problem. If you are constantly spewing propoganda that the system is rigged, you are far more likely to give up (school disenfranchisement in the form of higher HS dropout and less college attendance) or fight against the system (commit crimes, resist/fight cops, etc.). There are people flocking to this country every day with worse financial straights (so no generational wealth either), a language gap to overcome, less affirmative action to assist in jobs or school assistance, that are still less likely to become disenfranchised and give up on the system or damage their own communities. While there is absolutely external factors leading to all this (systemic racism: actually racist cops, racist people/business owners, generational financial disadvantage, etc.), there is an undeniable internal factor at play as well that often gets brushed under the rug (disenfranchisement: high HS dropout rates, college drop out rates, high crime both violent and otherwise in your own communities, etc.). It gets to a point where you're playing a bit TOO much devil's advocacy for criminals and how much their activity is based on society dealing them a bad hand, as plenty of poor people are out there not stealing and murdering, especially from their own communities. It's like if every black stereotype I've heard opined fused together to form some sorta khaki wearing racist voltron --- Black In America https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1527-black-in-america <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:960515036] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>MajesticFerret posted... </cite> <quote>Tbf, it's reaching the point where systemic racism has kinda been the catch all argument for lack of black verticality to the point of literal laziness and there's a lot of questionable gaps in it being the catch all reason that still don't add up. 1. People who come to the US with language gaps and even less wealth than Americanized black people tend to have higher wealth verticality. This suggests that it's more than merely an issue of wealth or even lack of access to top tier education. 2. Speaking of education, black people are disproportionately likely to drop out of HS, which is definitely a black community PR problem that only they themselves can truly address. 3. African black people are not only one of the highest earning demographics, but also one of the least criminalized people in this country. Furthermore, people who come to this country with nothing and are low earners with language gaps are also usually in low income neighborhoods, yet they are still commiting much less violent crime... The reality is, the truth is probably a bit inbetween systemic racism and what Candace advocates. It is a combination of both disadvantaged circumstance and constant emphasis on this disenfranchisement, that there is some magical politician one term away from fixing all of their problems, or the constant nihilism that racism is so strong and prevalent in this country that is an insurmountable obstacle to black people's success. And as already pointed out in this topic, this isn't a 99.99% black people problem, it's just a problem prevalent in a very small percentage of the community that is struggling due to a variety of reasons. However, I think we've reached the point where dismissing a very high percentage of black crime (which is dispreportionately done to other black people) and homocide (again, dispreportionately done to other black people) as merely society at large being the ONLY or even the MAIN factor at this point...is part of the problem. If you are constantly spewing propoganda that the system is rigged, you are far more likely to give up (school disenfranchisement in the form of higher HS dropout and less college attendance) or fight against the system (commit crimes, resist/fight cops, etc.). There are people flocking to this country every day with worse financial straights (so no generational wealth either), a language gap to overcome, less affirmative action to assist in jobs or school assistance, that are still less likely to become disenfranchised and give up on the system or damage their own communities. While there is absolutely external factors leading to all this (systemic racism: actually racist cops, racist people/business owners, generational financial disadvantage, etc.), there is an undeniable internal factor at play as well that often gets brushed under the rug (disenfranchisement: high HS dropout rates, college drop out rates, high crime both violent and otherwise in your own communities, etc.). It gets to a point where you're playing a bit TOO much devil's advocacy for criminals and how much their activity is based on society dealing them a bad hand, as plenty of poor people are out there not stealing and murdering, especially from their own communities.</quote> It's like if every black stereotype I've heard opined fused together to form some sorta khaki wearing racist voltron </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RamboCell29 12/01/21 8:48:42 AM #105:	Well... blacks may make up a disproportionate number of violent crimes statistically but it is necessary to also say that the overwhelming majority of black people are good, law abiding citizens. --- Ron DeSantis/Tim Scott 2024 <cite>RamboCell29 posted [p:960517432] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>Well... blacks may make up a disproportionate number of violent crimes statistically but it is necessary to also say that the overwhelming majority of black people are good, law abiding citizens. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OpWarpSpeed 12/01/21 8:58:54 AM #106:	HairyQueen posted... OpWarpSpeed posted... This "joke" gets old. One of my friends started to play his theme whenever I spoke, and it's frustrating to deal with. How is that image relevant? --- Alt account of TheRealDill2000 <cite>OpWarpSpeed posted [p:960517608] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>HairyQueen posted...</cite> <quote>OpWarpSpeed posted... </cite> <quote> This "joke" gets old. One of my friends started to play his theme whenever I spoke, and it's frustrating to deal with.</quote> </quote> How is that image relevant?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 12/01/21 9:27:51 AM #107:	hockeybub89 posted... Men stastically perform the most rapes, but most people would rightfully have a conniption if I said "Men are the rapiest group in America." That's not an accurate conclusion and only serves to sow problems. Lmao, thats a terrible example. People right now have no problem painting men in general with a broad brush as being dangerous and prone to violence such as rape. For fucks sake, we have companies embracing the belief of toxic masculinity and how men approaching women is creepy and feminist sites will laugh at your male tears and meme about not all men, if you try to bring up this double standard. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:960518199] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Men stastically perform the most rapes, but most people would rightfully have a conniption if I said "Men are the rapiest group in America." That's not an accurate conclusion and only serves to sow problems.</quote> Lmao, thats a terrible example. People right now have no problem painting men in general with a broad brush as being dangerous and prone to violence such as rape. For fucks sake, we have companies embracing the belief of toxic masculinity and how men approaching women is creepy and feminist sites will laugh at your male tears and meme about not all men, if you try to bring up this double standard. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 12/01/21 9:33:02 AM #108:	Lorenzo_2003 posted... People right now have no problem painting men in general with a broad brush as being dangerous and prone to violence such as rape. It's always funny when people say things like this while being the very thing that disproves their argument. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:960518297] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>Lorenzo_2003 posted... </cite> <quote>People right now have no problem painting men in general with a broad brush as being dangerous and prone to violence such as rape.</quote> It's always funny when people say things like this while being the very thing that disproves their argument. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 12/01/21 9:44:37 AM #109:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... It's always funny when people say things like this while being the very thing that disproves their argument. Nah, its not meant literally as in literally none of the 7+ billion people on the planet have no problem with it. I mean its a generally acceptable thing like calling someone an incel is common, even if it has nothing to do with the topic. Nobody holds up protest placards saying teach girls not to rape, but they definitely do for boys, even though women do commit various kinds of assaults that include sexual assault. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:960518526] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>RchHomieQuanChi posted... </cite> <quote>It's always funny when people say things like this while being the very thing that disproves their argument.</quote> Nah, its not meant literally as in literally none of the 7+ billion people on the planet have no problem with it. I mean its a generally acceptable thing like calling someone an incel is common, even if it has nothing to do with the topic. Nobody holds up protest placards saying teach girls not to rape, but they definitely do for boys, even though women do commit various kinds of assaults that include sexual assault. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RemixRBG 12/01/21 9:47:39 AM #110:	If we get into history, the most murderous group of people by far is White people but statements like this will get people offended but spreading anti Black propaganda seems to be okay within mainstream society <cite>RemixRBG posted [p:960518603] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>If we get into history, the most murderous group of people by far is White people but statements like this will get people offended but spreading anti Black propaganda seems to be okay within mainstream society </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sad_Face 12/01/21 9:53:47 AM #111:	HairyQueen posted... You arent revealing any information that isnt already known. Why would you assume there could be a cultural issue that exists among the black American population that causes .0075% of the 42 million individuals to commit murder? Why do the rest of those 42 million people somehow now share some relevant characteristic with those ~3000 murderers? And why is it framed as a problem with the group? I'm not assuming anything, I'm trying to drive a discussion. We want to answer the question of why our population rate of homicide significantly higher than the majority race's rate. The reason why it's framed as a problem with the group because that FBI document you posted shows that the black population committed 48% of the murders that year. For a minority population that's less than 13% of the total population, that's quite noteworthy and needs to be addressed. Before you can offer any solutions, you need to know why. --- https://imgur.com/WmIB016 https://imgur.com/53FGj6K <cite>Sad_Face posted [p:960518727] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>HairyQueen posted... </cite> <quote>You arent revealing any information that isnt already known. Why would you assume there could be a cultural issue that exists among the black American population that causes .0075% of the 42 million individuals to commit murder? Why do the rest of those 42 million people somehow now share some relevant characteristic with those ~3000 murderers? And why is it framed as a problem with the group?</quote> I'm not assuming anything, I'm trying to drive a discussion. We want to answer the question of why our population rate of homicide significantly higher than the majority race's rate. The reason why it's framed as a problem with the group because that FBI document you posted shows that the black population committed 48% of the murders that year. For a minority population that's less than 13% of the total population, that's quite noteworthy and needs to be addressed. Before you can offer any solutions, you need to know why. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 12/01/21 10:00:28 AM #112:	Sad_Face posted... We want to answer the question of why our population rate of homicide significantly higher than the majority race's rate. Beginning the discussion with the assumption there's something to find from that angle is itself straight up racist. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:960518870] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>Sad_Face posted... </cite> <quote>We want to answer the question of why our population rate of homicide significantly higher than the majority race's rate.</quote>Beginning the discussion with the assumption there's something to find from that angle is itself straight up racist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 12/01/21 10:14:17 AM #113:	MajesticFerret posted... People who come to the US with language gaps and even less wealth than Americanized black people tend to have higher wealth verticality. This suggests that it's more than merely an issue of wealth or even lack of access to top tier education. This is survivorship bias, plain and simple. Of course a poor immigrant that's even able to make it to the U.S. in the first place is going to see wealth mobility by coming from a poor country to a rich country. You're not going to hear about the millions of other poor people overseas still living in abject poverty. You're also ignoring a pretty significant fact here in that systematic racism isn't just about blacks being poorer than other races. It's about decades of laws and policies that have specifically targeted African-American communities, a consistent underfunding of public services in black communities, and a reinforcement of racial stereotypes through the media that have had negative consequences on blacks' ability to find gainful employment, become homeowners, generate wealth., etc., Simply going "But immigrants did it!" is disingenuous and ignores a truckload of historical and economic context. MajesticFerret posted... Speaking of education, black people are disproportionately likely to drop out of HS, which is definitely a black community PR problem that only they themselves can truly address. Most high schools in black communities are crowded, underfunded, have outdated or flatout inaccurate learning material and are populated with teachers that just don't give a fuck. MajesticFerret posted... African black people are not only one of the highest earning demographics, but also one of the least criminalized people in this country. Furthermore, people who come to this country with nothing and are low earners with language gaps are also usually in low income neighborhoods, yet they are still commiting much less violent crime... Again, this is survivorship bias. You're only going to hear about immigrants from Africa who, through "grit and determination" found their way to the U.S. in search of better opportunity. What you're not going to hear about is the millions of poor people overseas who are involved in just as much violent crime as you presume black Americans to be involved in. Crime is an economic issue. Trying to make it a race issue makes you a fucking racist, plain and simple. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:960519139] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>MajesticFerret posted... </cite> <quote>People who come to the US with language gaps and even less wealth than Americanized black people tend to have higher wealth verticality. This suggests that it's more than merely an issue of wealth or even lack of access to top tier education.</quote> This is survivorship bias, plain and simple. Of course a poor immigrant that's even able to make it to the U.S. in the first place is going to see wealth mobility by coming from a poor country to a rich country. You're not going to hear about the millions of other poor people overseas still living in abject poverty. You're also ignoring a pretty significant fact here in that systematic racism isn't just about blacks being poorer than other races. It's about decades of laws and policies that have specifically targeted African-American communities, a consistent underfunding of public services in black communities, and a reinforcement of racial stereotypes through the media that have had negative consequences on blacks' ability to find gainful employment, become homeowners, generate wealth., etc., Simply going "But immigrants did it!" is disingenuous and ignores a truckload of historical and economic context. MajesticFerret posted... </cite> <quote>Speaking of education, black people are disproportionately likely to drop out of HS, which is definitely a black community PR problem that only they themselves can truly address.</quote> Most high schools in black communities are crowded, underfunded, have outdated or flatout inaccurate learning material and are populated with teachers that just don't give a fuck. MajesticFerret posted... </cite> <quote>African black people are not only one of the highest earning demographics, but also one of the least criminalized people in this country. Furthermore, people who come to this country with nothing and are low earners with language gaps are also usually in low income neighborhoods, yet they are still commiting much less violent crime...</quote> Again, this is survivorship bias. You're only going to hear about immigrants from Africa who, through "grit and determination" found their way to the U.S. in search of better opportunity. What you're not going to hear about is the millions of poor people overseas who are involved in just as much violent crime as you presume black Americans to be involved in. Crime is an economic issue. Trying to make it a race issue makes you a fucking racist, plain and simple. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 12/01/21 10:17:55 AM #114:	RemixRBG posted... If we get into history, the most murderous group of people by far is White people but statements like this will get people offended but spreading anti Black propaganda seems to be okay within mainstream society I meeeean..... Western countries have certainly found ways to legitimize and justify their violence all over the globe, especially the U.S. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:960519209] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>RemixRBG posted... </cite> <quote>If we get into history, the most murderous group of people by far is White people but statements like this will get people offended but spreading anti Black propaganda seems to be okay within mainstream society</quote> I meeeean..... Western countries have certainly found ways to legitimize and justify their violence all over the globe, especially the U.S. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 12/01/21 10:21:20 AM #115:	One thing to point out on the FBI stats: white murderers include so-called brown people --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:960519286] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>One thing to point out on the FBI stats: white murderers include so-called brown people </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 12/01/21 10:22:41 AM #116:	angel and airwaves: pwns entire topic ce message board: fee fees over faqs --- pisces <cite>ledbowman posted [p:960519322] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>angel and airwaves: pwns entire topic ce message board: fee fees over faqs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RemixRBG 12/01/21 10:32:43 AM #117:	For all of the White people who feel that Black people are the most murderous group in America and feel it's a problem. What do you plan on doing about this problem? <cite>RemixRBG posted [p:960519563] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>For all of the White people who feel that Black people are the most murderous group in America and feel it's a problem. What do you plan on doing about this problem? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 12/01/21 10:43:09 AM #118:	Lorenzo_2003 posted... Nah, its not meant literally as in literally none of the 7+ billion people on the planet have no problem with it. I mean its a generally acceptable thing like calling someone an incel is common, even if it has nothing to do with the topic. Nobody holds up protest placards saying teach girls not to rape, but they definitely do for boys, even though women do commit various kinds of assaults that include sexual assault. People have literally crafted entire YouTube careers out of grifting angry white men over innocuous comments made about them. But we're supposed to believe that "nobody cares about the men!" even though men (especially white men) still hold the vast majority of power over Western society lmao --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:960519822] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>Lorenzo_2003 posted... </cite> <quote>Nah, its not meant literally as in literally none of the 7+ billion people on the planet have no problem with it. I mean its a generally acceptable thing like calling someone an incel is common, even if it has nothing to do with the topic. Nobody holds up protest placards saying teach girls not to rape, but they definitely do for boys, even though women do commit various kinds of assaults that include sexual assault.</quote> People have literally crafted entire YouTube careers out of grifting angry white men over innocuous comments made about them. But we're supposed to believe that "nobody cares about the men!" even though men (especially white men) still hold the vast majority of power over Western society lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scamatoru 12/01/21 10:47:09 AM #119:	ledbowman posted... angel and airwaves: pwns entire topic ce message board: fee fees over faqs its always been feefees over fax with leftoids --- nothing to see here <cite>scamatoru posted [p:960519913] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>ledbowman posted... </cite> <quote>angel and airwaves: pwns entire topic ce message board: fee fees over faqs</quote>its always been feefees over fax with leftoids </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HairyQueen 12/01/21 10:47:20 AM #120:	Sad_Face posted... The reason why it's framed as a problem with the group because that FBI document you posted shows that the black population committed 48% of the murders that year. Your framing of this is a problem. The black population did not commit 48% of the murders. 42 million black Americans are not responsible for that. --- Good vibes only <cite>HairyQueen posted [p:960519917] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>Sad_Face posted... </cite> <quote>The reason why it's framed as a problem with the group because that FBI document you posted shows that the black population committed 48% of the murders that year.</quote>Your framing of this is a problem. The black population did not commit 48% of the murders. 42 million black Americans are not responsible for that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lolife67 12/01/21 10:48:22 AM #121:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... But we're supposed to believe that "nobody cares about the men!" even though men (especially white men) still hold the vast majority of power over Western society lmao Right. It's just ridiculous at this point. They feel they're oppressed despite being the ones in power. Notice how the biggest complaint is people saying "mean" things about them. Whereas other truly marginalized groups complain about real issues, i.e. violence, laws that disproportionally/directly affect them, etc. <cite>lolife67 posted [p:960519936] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>RchHomieQuanChi posted... </cite> <quote>But we're supposed to believe that "nobody cares about the men!" even though men (especially white men) still hold the vast majority of power over Western society lmao</quote>Right. It's just ridiculous at this point. They feel they're oppressed despite being the ones in power. Notice how the biggest complaint is people saying "mean" things about them. Whereas other truly marginalized groups complain about real issues, i.e. violence, laws that disproportionally/directly affect them, etc. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 12/01/21 10:49:11 AM #122:	hockeybub89 posted... Men stastically perform the most rapes, but most people would rightfully have a conniption if I said "Men are the rapiest group in America." That's not an accurate conclusion and only serves to sow problems. Statistics are dangerous in the hands of idiots and bad actors. @hockeybub89 As someone who has been on a college campus in the last decade I can tell you that sexual assault is generally taught as something men do to women. This is taught all the time in school with sexual assault awareness stuff. They sort of try to raise awareness about other types of assault, but it always tends to get overlooked. It certainly isn't equivalent to your statement of "most rapiest group", but it would be false to act like that notion doesn't have some institutionalization to it. And I'm not even saying that is necessarily a bad thing. Men are guilty statistically if most sexual assaults. This also plays into the fact that sexual assaults by other groups tend to be overlooked. There's just a better way to convey the message of acknowledging a statistical reality, but doing everything you can to make sure other cases are not overlooked and receive the proper attention, care, due process. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:960519951] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Men stastically perform the most rapes, but most people would rightfully have a conniption if I said "Men are the rapiest group in America." That's not an accurate conclusion and only serves to sow problems. Statistics are dangerous in the hands of idiots and bad actors.</quote> @hockeybub89 As someone who has been on a college campus in the last decade I can tell you that sexual assault is generally taught as something men do to women. This is taught all the time in school with sexual assault awareness stuff. They sort of try to raise awareness about other types of assault, but it always tends to get overlooked. It certainly isn't equivalent to your statement of "most rapiest group", but it would be false to act like that notion doesn't have some institutionalization to it. And I'm not even saying that is necessarily a bad thing. Men are guilty statistically if most sexual assaults. This also plays into the fact that sexual assaults by other groups tend to be overlooked. There's just a better way to convey the message of acknowledging a statistical reality, but doing everything you can to make sure other cases are not overlooked and receive the proper attention, care, due process. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 12/01/21 10:54:00 AM #123:	RemixRBG posted... If we get into history, the most murderous group of people by far is White people but statements like this will get people offended but spreading anti Black propaganda seems to be okay within mainstream society It's why the people storming school board meetings are desperately trying to keep the current generation from learning about real history. Anti-blackness is at the bedrock of the United States and has been profitable both monetarily and in the racial caste system that was created since colonial times. Candace Owens herself is dealing with internalized white supremacy but has used it to cash checks. --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:960520056] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>RemixRBG posted... </cite> <quote>If we get into history, the most murderous group of people by far is White people but statements like this will get people offended but spreading anti Black propaganda seems to be okay within mainstream society</quote> It's why the people storming school board meetings are desperately trying to keep the current generation from learning about real history. Anti-blackness is at the bedrock of the United States and has been profitable both monetarily and in the racial caste system that was created since colonial times. Candace Owens herself is dealing with internalized white supremacy but has used it to cash checks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 12/01/21 10:57:04 AM #124:	scamatoru posted... its always been feefees over fax with leftoids He says, in the same topic where incels complain about people being "mean" to white men --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:960520133] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>scamatoru posted... </cite> <quote>its always been feefees over fax with leftoids</quote> He says, in the same topic where incels complain about people being "mean" to white men </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 12/01/21 11:00:08 AM #125:	ledbowman posted... angel and airwaves: pwns entire topic I didn't see any of the sort. --- I often wonder if we are growing as a people... or in fact, regressing. <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:960520192] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>ledbowman posted... </cite> <quote>angel and airwaves: pwns entire topic</quote>I didn't see any of the sort. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 12/01/21 11:04:13 AM #126:	AngelsAndAirwaves is shockingly offensive for being named after such a froo-froo band. --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:960520297] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>AngelsAndAirwaves is shockingly offensive for being named after such a froo-froo band. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 12/01/21 12:22:54 PM #127:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... People have literally crafted entire YouTube careers out of grifting angry white men over innocuous comments made about them. But we're supposed to believe that "nobody cares about the men!" even though men (especially white men) still hold the vast majority of power over Western society lmao Who is even arguing that, the bold part? Thats not even in line with what Hockeybub used as an analogy ("Men are the rapiest group in America.) when they said that most people would have a problem with it. I disagreed. Sure, that example is not acceptable to absolutely everyone, but even those content creators who gripe about it arent socially accepted mainstream. You literally used the word incel to describe members replying in this thread, which is another indicator that a generalization like that is not really a problem like saying something racist. I dont even know how anyone here would know someone is an incel, but its thrown around easily like schools, movies and businesses saying or implying men are rapists. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:960522403] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>RchHomieQuanChi posted... </cite> <quote>People have literally crafted entire YouTube careers out of grifting angry white men over innocuous comments made about them. But we're supposed to believe that "nobody cares about the men!" even though men (especially white men) still hold the vast majority of power over Western society lmao</quote> Who is even arguing that, the bold part? Thats not even in line with what Hockeybub used as an analogy ("Men are the rapiest group in America.) when they said that most people would have a problem with it. I disagreed. Sure, that example is not acceptable to absolutely everyone, but even those content creators who gripe about it arent socially accepted mainstream. You literally used the word incel to describe members replying in this thread, which is another indicator that a generalization like that is not really a problem like saying something racist. I dont even know how anyone here would know someone is an incel, but its thrown around easily like schools, movies and businesses saying or implying men are rapists. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 12/01/21 12:34:08 PM #129:	Lorenzo_2003 posted... Sure, that example is not acceptable to absolutely everyone, but even those content creators who gripe about it arent socially accepted mainstream. The "mainstream" is overwhelmingly represented by white men. Are those the people that you are claiming find it acceptable to paint men in broad strokes as "rapist" or "the rapiest group"? Lol Like I'm curious where you're finding this to be a widespread thing that people are saying. Lorenzo_2003 posted... You literally used the word incel to describe members replying in this thread, which is another indicator that a generalization like that is not really a problem like saying something racist. I shouldn't have to explain this to you. "Incel" is a term used to refer to a very specific group of men with bitter views towards women and feminists to the point where they complain about anything that's even mildly feminist or "woke". That's not anything like generalizing an entire race of people as being more murderous than others lmao --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:960522723] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>Lorenzo_2003 posted... </cite> <quote>Sure, that example is not acceptable to absolutely everyone, but even those content creators who gripe about it arent socially accepted mainstream.</quote> The "mainstream" is overwhelmingly represented by white men. Are those the people that you are claiming find it acceptable to paint men in broad strokes as "rapist" or "the rapiest group"? Lol Like I'm curious where you're finding this to be a widespread thing that people are saying. Lorenzo_2003 posted... </cite> <quote>You literally used the word incel to describe members replying in this thread, which is another indicator that a generalization like that is not really a problem like saying something racist.</quote> I shouldn't have to explain this to you. "Incel" is a term used to refer to a very specific group of men with bitter views towards women and feminists to the point where they complain about anything that's even mildly feminist or "woke". That's not anything like generalizing an entire race of people as being more murderous than others lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 12/01/21 12:47:52 PM #130:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... The "mainstream" is overwhelmingly represented by white men. Are those the people that you are claiming find it acceptable to paint men in broad strokes as "rapist" or "the rapiest group"? Lol Like I'm curious where you're finding this to be a widespread thing that people are saying. I shouldn't have to explain this to you. "Incel" is a term used to refer to a very specific group of men with bitter views towards women and feminists to the point where they complain about anything that's even mildly feminist or "woke". That's not anything like generalizing an entire race of people as being more murderous than others lmao You need to step foot on a college campus and especially inside a gender studies course lol. The evils of men are being taught. They just are. Also, you're basically admitting that the term incel does not literally mean incel, but is a vague insult towards a certain type of person. So the term incel is about as meaningless as you would think someone saying woke or sjw Incel means "people you don't like" Just like how you view them using terms like woke and SJW mean "not white people" --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:960523113] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>RchHomieQuanChi posted... </cite> <quote>The "mainstream" is overwhelmingly represented by white men. Are those the people that you are claiming find it acceptable to paint men in broad strokes as "rapist" or "the rapiest group"? Lol Like I'm curious where you're finding this to be a widespread thing that people are saying. I shouldn't have to explain this to you. "Incel" is a term used to refer to a very specific group of men with bitter views towards women and feminists to the point where they complain about anything that's even mildly feminist or "woke". That's not anything like generalizing an entire race of people as being more murderous than others lmao</quote> You need to step foot on a college campus and especially inside a gender studies course lol. The evils of men are being taught. They just are. Also, you're basically admitting that the term incel does not literally mean incel, but is a vague insult towards a certain type of person. So the term incel is about as meaningless as you would think someone saying woke or sjw Incel means "people you don't like" Just like how you view them using terms like woke and SJW mean "not white people" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forever_Black 12/01/21 1:19:58 PM #131:	I mean it is true. Dont see what the fuss is. --- Ooouuu <cite>Forever_Black posted [p:960524099] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>I mean it is true. Dont see what the fuss is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 12/01/21 1:37:40 PM #132:	Forever_Black posted... I mean it is true. Dont see what the fuss is. It really isn't, because the individuals committing the crimes are a small minority of the group as a whole. But she's saying this to appeal to Tucker's White supremacist viewers, and for them, a Black woman saying it gives them further justifications to parade this around. --- I often wonder if we are growing as a people... or in fact, regressing. <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:960524608] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>Forever_Black posted... </cite> <quote>I mean it is true. Dont see what the fuss is.</quote>It really isn't, because the individuals committing the crimes are a small minority of the group as a whole. But she's saying this to appeal to Tucker's White supremacist viewers, and for them, a Black woman saying it gives them further justifications to parade this around. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
myzz7 12/01/21 1:38:29 PM #133:	....but fbi statistics.... --- ''If I knew how to dox people, and you lived close to me, I would beat you with a bat.'' Bad_Mojo 8/24/2018 <cite>myzz7 posted [p:960524634] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>....but fbi statistics.... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nemu 12/01/21 1:40:07 PM #134:	Forever_Black posted... I mean it is true. Dont see what the fuss is. Ten people are in a room. One has a high school diploma. Nine have doctorates. Saying "the high school graduate is the dumbest person in the room" is likely a true statement, but that phrasing has loaded implications. Same thing here. <cite>Nemu posted [p:960524686] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>Forever_Black posted... </cite> <quote>I mean it is true. Dont see what the fuss is.</quote>Ten people are in a room. One has a high school diploma. Nine have doctorates. Saying "the high school graduate is the dumbest person in the room" is likely a true statement, but that phrasing has loaded implications. Same thing here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sad_Face 12/01/21 1:49:04 PM #135:	HairyQueen posted... Your framing of this is a problem. The black population did not commit 48% of the murders. 42 million black Americans are not responsible for that. Fine, 48% of the convicted persons of homicide share an identifying trait common with ~13% of the total population. Satisfied? Now the question is why? And how to reduce this percentage rate? --- https://imgur.com/WmIB016 https://imgur.com/53FGj6K <cite>Sad_Face posted [p:960524954] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>HairyQueen posted... </cite> <quote>Your framing of this is a problem. The black population did not commit 48% of the murders. 42 million black Americans are not responsible for that.</quote> Fine, 48% of the convicted persons of homicide share an identifying trait common with ~13% of the total population. Satisfied? Now the question is why? And how to reduce this percentage rate? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dathrowed1 12/01/21 1:58:16 PM #137:	Sad_Face posted... Fine, 48% of the convicted persons of homicide share an identifying trait common with ~13% of the total population. Satisfied? Now the question is why? And how to reduce this percentage rate? The sad thing is neither the left nor right are interested in that. The left just ignores it completely and the right only brings it up to point out hypocrisy (but nothing more) I think in 2020 during the murder surge it increased by 1% while whites and Hispanics decreased their share --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:960525216] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>Sad_Face posted... </cite> <quote>Fine, 48% of the convicted persons of homicide share an identifying trait common with ~13% of the total population. Satisfied? Now the question is why? And how to reduce this percentage rate?</quote>The sad thing is neither the left nor right are interested in that. The left just ignores it completely and the right only brings it up to point out hypocrisy (but nothing more) I think in 2020 during the murder surge it increased by 1% while whites and Hispanics decreased their share </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 12/01/21 2:00:49 PM #138:	shockthemonkey posted... Poverty is the problem Not sure that's the case I watched a fascinating introspective on DMX last night . <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:960525269] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>Poverty is the problem</quote>Not sure that's the case I watched a fascinating introspective on DMX last night . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Machete 12/01/21 2:01:35 PM #140:	friendly reminder, fBi sTaTiSTiCs contributed to admiral getting banned. --- I do not receive notifications, so using the @ feature will not do anything. I might see your post and respond though if I have already been in the topic. <cite>Machete posted [p:960525290] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>friendly reminder, fBi sTaTiSTiCs contributed to admiral getting banned. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 12/01/21 2:41:15 PM #141:	Machete posted... friendly reminder, fBi sTaTiSTiCs contributed to admiral getting banned. No, his racist rhetoric was the reason --- There are enough attention whores on CE as it is. <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:960526518] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>Machete posted... </cite> <quote>friendly reminder, fBi sTaTiSTiCs contributed to admiral getting banned.</quote> No, his racist rhetoric was the reason </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Big_Nabendu 12/01/21 3:07:13 PM #142:	Don't mind me --- The embrace of the Dark is gentle. Let it absorb your sorrows, forever. \[T]/ Owner of the 500 board and Leader of sunbro board GT Nabendu <cite>Big_Nabendu posted [p:960527328] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>Don't mind me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MurderousNomad 12/01/21 3:47:51 PM #143:	Big_Nabendu posted... Don't mind me Ah, a fellow politics watcher. --- And This marked The momenT ThaT all peace was losT inTo The red abyss. 11/5/2021 <cite>MurderousNomad posted [p:960528573] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>Big_Nabendu posted... </cite> <quote>Don't mind me </quote>Ah, a fellow politics watcher. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forever_Black 12/01/21 3:52:19 PM #144:	Solar_Crimson posted... It really isn't, because the individuals committing the crimes are a small minority of the group as a whole. But she's saying this to appeal to Tucker's White supremacist viewers, and for them, a Black woman saying it gives them further justifications to parade this around. she clearly said most murderous group, not most commit murder. Per population black americans commit the most homicides by a decent margin. While theyre underlying reasons for it and she may be saying it in distaste, it doesnt change the facts. --- Ooouuu <cite>Forever_Black posted [p:960528700] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>Solar_Crimson posted... </cite> <quote>It really isn't, because the individuals committing the crimes are a small minority of the group as a whole. But she's saying this to appeal to Tucker's White supremacist viewers, and for them, a Black woman saying it gives them further justifications to parade this around.</quote> she clearly said most murderous group, not most commit murder. Per population black americans commit the most homicides by a decent margin. While theyre underlying reasons for it and she may be saying it in distaste, it doesnt change the facts. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 12/01/21 4:16:43 PM #145:	No one's trying to change facts. The goal is to provide context for those facts to what they really signify, both in root causes and in the motivations for those who ignore those root causes and feign plausible deniability by leaving the question open ended when there's no need to. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:960529486] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>No one's trying to change facts. The goal is to provide context for those facts to what they really signify, both in root causes and in the motivations for those who ignore those root causes and feign plausible deniability by leaving the question open ended when there's no need to. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 12/01/21 4:19:52 PM #146:	Bishop9800 posted... No, his racist rhetoric was the reason yes, which involved him jerking off to fbi statistics and getting in trouble for racism and then bitching and doubling down and getting into more trouble for that. --- I do not receive notifications, so using the @ feature will not do anything. I might see your post and respond though if I have already been in the topic. <cite>Machete posted [p:960529575] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>Bishop9800 posted... </cite> <quote>No, his racist rhetoric was the reason</quote> yes, which involved him jerking off to fbi statistics and getting in trouble for racism and then bitching and doubling down and getting into more trouble for that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RemixRBG 12/01/21 8:49:40 PM #147:	When Murderers such as Kyle Rittenhouse and George Zimmerman get off scott free, it shows that any stats that a person tries to extract from FBI Statistics is flawed. You can't use stats from a country ruled by white supremacy to prove any point about Black society because they all will be biased against us <cite>RemixRBG posted [p:960537388] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>When Murderers such as Kyle Rittenhouse and George Zimmerman get off scott free, it shows that any stats that a person tries to extract from FBI Statistics is flawed. You can't use stats from a country ruled by white supremacy to prove any point about Black society because they all will be biased against us </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HairyQueen 12/01/21 10:53:35 PM #148:	Dathrowed1 posted... The sad thing is neither the left nor right are interested in that. The left just ignores it completely and the right only brings it up to point out hypocrisy (but nothing more) I think in 2020 during the murder surge it increased by 1% while whites and Hispanics decreased their share The left advocates to fix income inequality and provide education, social programs, and increased quality of life. These contribute to reducing poverty and violent crime. Your attempt to both sides this is factually wrong. --- Good vibes only <cite>HairyQueen posted [p:960540829] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>The sad thing is neither the left nor right are interested in that. The left just ignores it completely and the right only brings it up to point out hypocrisy (but nothing more) I think in 2020 during the murder surge it increased by 1% while whites and Hispanics decreased their share</quote>The left advocates to fix income inequality and provide education, social programs, and increased quality of life. These contribute to reducing poverty and violent crime. Your attempt to both sides this is factually wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 12/01/21 11:00:34 PM #149:	TommyG663513 posted... You need to step foot on a college campus and especially inside a gender studies course lol. The evils of men are being taught. They just are. I highly doubt that you've ever actually been inside a gender studies course lmao Please save me the fucking dramatics lol --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:960541015] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>TommyG663513 posted... </cite> <quote> You need to step foot on a college campus and especially inside a gender studies course lol. The evils of men are being taught. They just are.</quote> I highly doubt that you've ever actually been inside a gender studies course lmao Please save me the fucking dramatics lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 12/01/21 11:03:48 PM #150:	Forever_Black posted... she clearly said most murderous group, not most commit murder. Per population black americans commit the most homicides by a decent margin. While theyre underlying reasons for it and she may be saying it in distaste, it doesnt change the facts. I mean another user had a very good point. Whites have carried out and ordered more murders than any other racial group on the planet. We just don't label it as "crime" because the winners make the rules. So yes, using these "facts" to craft harmful narratives about the black community is fucking racist. There's no ifs, ands or buts about it. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:960541093] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>Forever_Black posted... </cite> <quote>she clearly said most murderous group, not most commit murder. Per population black americans commit the most homicides by a decent margin. While theyre underlying reasons for it and she may be saying it in distaste, it doesnt change the facts.</quote> I mean another user had a very good point. Whites have carried out and ordered more murders than any other racial group on the planet. We just don't label it as "crime" because the winners make the rules. So yes, using these "facts" to craft harmful narratives about the black community is fucking racist. There's no ifs, ands or buts about it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfThaJedi 12/01/21 11:39:00 PM #151:	--- https://vine.co/v/OnxDJZlq5nF #1 RWBY Superfan <cite>ReturnOfThaJedi posted [p:960541835] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MajesticFerret 12/02/21 5:56:07 PM #152:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... This is survivorship bias, plain and simple. Of course a poor immigrant that's even able to make it to the U.S. in the first place is going to see wealth mobility by coming from a poor country to a rich country. You're not going to hear about the millions of other poor people overseas still living in abject poverty. No one is comparing immigrant verticality and crime to people from their home countries, people are comparing it to other Americans in the same socio-economic situation, which is a far more fair comparison. The language gap also adds another obstacle as I'd rather be broke and speak English well than broke and not able to even properly communicate in the country I'm in. You're also ignoring a pretty significant fact here in that systematic racism isn't just about blacks being poorer than other races. I literally addressed all of that, including how it effects some policing laws, I simply don't buy it is the sole reason when we have plenty of reason to believe it isn't. a reinforcement of racial stereotypes through the media The media has been overwhelmingly pro black for decades now. I don't think medias portrayal of black people is the issue. Where are you getting media as showing this? Simply going "But immigrants did it!" How you could read my argument and get that out of it is beyond me. Most high schools in black communities are crowded, underfunded, have outdated or flatout inaccurate learning material and are populated with teachers that just don't give a fuck. My mom has taught in schools of varying social class and most of this is hyperbolic tripe. The biggest difference in spending is overwhelmingly aesthetics: nice hall ways and facilities. Books don't cost shit and teachers salaries don't fluctuate as much as you'd think. And finally, none of this would explain disproportionately high violent crime in a particular demographic when impoverished people of all races are in this same situation. Crime is an economic issue. Trying to make it a race issue makes you a fucking racist, plain and simple. Crime is NOT based solely on economics. Off the top of my head, Thailand is a shitload more safe than Brazil despite them both being equally poor. There are tons of other examples like this, but you don't seem to like anything that conflicts with your narrative of fixing crime being this braindead linear solution and suggesting anything else is just pure racism... And I didn't make it about race, this topic brought up race as a factor, and this argument is mostly brought up by black activists from both sides that want to address it as again, most homicides being performed by black people are against other black people... The most "white supremacist" position which would be literally keep your mouth shut and continue to let the high black-on-black homicide continue. I don't think these people are hurting their communities by trying to make them better without just doubling down on victimhood and blaming everyone else for their problems, which quite frankly, is useless and doesn't get anywhere anyways. --- Sanity is a one trick pony, all you get with it is rational thought, but with crazy the sky's the limit. <cite>MajesticFerret posted [p:960563496] in candace ow... [t:79788589]...</cite> <quote>RchHomieQuanChi posted... </cite> <quote>This is survivorship bias, plain and simple. Of course a poor immigrant that's even able to make it to the U.S. in the first place is going to see wealth mobility by coming from a poor country to a rich country. You're not going to hear about the millions of other poor people overseas still living in abject poverty.</quote> No one is comparing immigrant verticality and crime to people from their home countries, people are comparing it to other Americans in the same socio-economic situation, which is a far more fair comparison. The language gap also adds another obstacle as I'd rather be broke and speak English well than broke and not able to even properly communicate in the country I'm in. <quote>You're also ignoring a pretty significant fact here in that systematic racism isn't just about blacks being poorer than other races. </quote> I literally addressed all of that, including how it effects some policing laws, I simply don't buy it is the sole reason when we have plenty of reason to believe it isn't. <quote>a reinforcement of racial stereotypes through the media </quote> The media has been overwhelmingly pro black for decades now. I don't think medias portrayal of black people is the issue. Where are you getting media as showing this? <quote>Simply going "But immigrants did it!" </quote> How you could read my argument and get that out of it is beyond me. <quote>Most high schools in black communities are crowded, underfunded, have outdated or flatout inaccurate learning material and are populated with teachers that just don't give a fuck.</quote> My mom has taught in schools of varying social class and most of this is hyperbolic tripe. The biggest difference in spending is overwhelmingly aesthetics: nice hall ways and facilities. Books don't cost shit and teachers salaries don't fluctuate as much as you'd think. And finally, none of this would explain disproportionately high violent crime in a particular demographic when impoverished people of all races are in this same situation. <quote>Crime is an economic issue. Trying to make it a race issue makes you a fucking racist, plain and simple.</quote> Crime is NOT based solely on economics. Off the top of my head, Thailand is a shitload more safe than Brazil despite them both being equally poor. There are tons of other examples like this, but you don't seem to like anything that conflicts with your narrative of fixing crime being this braindead linear solution and suggesting anything else is just pure racism... And I didn't make it about race, this topic brought up race as a factor, and this argument is mostly brought up by black activists from both sides that want to address it as again, most homicides being performed by black people are against other black people... The most "white supremacist" position which would be literally keep your mouth shut and continue to let the high black-on-black homicide continue. I don't think these people are hurting their communities by trying to make them better without just doubling down on victimhood and blaming everyone else for their problems, which quite frankly, is useless and doesn't get anywhere anyways. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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