Current Events > DoorDash drivers not taking orders unless they get a good tip prior

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ModLogic posted...

hilarious coming from entitled unskilled workers

Fuck you

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Take a shot every time ML mentions unskilled workers. Get drunk. Win win situation.

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CE_gonna_CE posted...

Take a shot every time ML mentions unskilled workers. Get drunk. Win win situation.

ModLogic lives with his parents. Talking all that shit about unskilled and doesnt even have his own place.

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dunno why the unskilled get so offended at the reality they are unskilled

literally anyone off the street can do the job. you can even train pigeons to deliver.

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ModLogic posted...

dunno why the unskilled get so offended at the reality they are unskilled

literally anyone off the street can do the job. you can even train pigeons to deliver.

because just last year all those unskilled people were "essential"

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essential doesnt mean skilled

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Well, at least the username checks out

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MrDrMan posted...

How about no? Customers are mad for once they cant bitch and have their way.

Customers are mad because dashers aren't doing their job properly

If someone pays for a service they kind of expect it to be performed

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TsunamiFox posted...

Customers are mad because dashers aren't doing their job properly

If someone pays for a service they kind of expect it to be performed

It will be performed. Another driver will pick up the order, or if its cancelled DD will refund the money. And also potentially give further credit back.

I ordered McDs once late night and it never was delivered since I know for a fact that the drive thru wait was 30 min tops. Woke up the next morning with a refund and $20 credit on top of that.

DD gives out credit like candy.

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CE_gonna_CE posted...

It will be performed. Another driver will pick up the order, or if its cancelled DD will refund the money. And also potentially give further credit back.

I ordered McDs once late night and it never was delivered since I know for a fact that the drive thru wait was 30 min tops. Woke up the next morning with a refund and $20 credit on top of that.

DD gives out credit like candy.

That literally means that they arent doing their job if the money is refunded
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Would you wait in a drive thru for 30 min for $8? If so, then more power to you, and DD would love to have you as a driver.

As it stands though, like I said, DD and Uber recognize that its not worth the time in some instances and allow us to cancel. So blame the companies that allow for it to happen.

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CE_gonna_CE posted...

Would you wait in a drive thru for 30 min for $8? If so, then more power to you, and DD would love to have you as a driver.

As it stands though, like I said, DD and Uber recognize that its not worth the time in some instances and allow us to cancel. So blame the companies that allow for it to happen.

Id rather blame both. Sure. The company can take some of the blame for allowing it. But drivers take most of the blame since theyre the ones actually doing it
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LinkPizza posted...

Id rather blame both. Sure. The company can take some of the blame for allowing it. But drivers take most of the blame since theyre the ones actually doing it

Ok. But you didnt answer the question about if you would wait around for the order though.

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thronedfire2 posted...

because just last year all those unskilled people were "essential"

I have a degree, am a licensed insurance agent in like 40 states and probably make more than you. DoorDash is something I do on the side.

Stop acting like you guys are so successful. People that actually make money dont feel the need to shit on others because it goes without saying.

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TsunamiFox posted...

Customers are mad because dashers aren't doing their job properly

If someone pays for a service they kind of expect it to be performed

You get refunded if the job isnt performed so your point is moot.

LinkPizza posted...

Id rather blame both. Sure. The company can take some of the blame for allowing it. But drivers take most of the blame since theyre the ones actually doing it

You dont care about drivers or their time but you expect them to care about your food? Do you really not realize how selfish that is? The way you guys talk about drivers is exactly why they dont care if your shit gets delivered or not. You dont have even the most basic level of respect for them. Maybe once you do youll get better service. Until then you get bare minimum service which is exactly what you deserve talking like that.

Customers have little to no leverage in this scenario because you care about nobody but yourself while dashers have actually organized.

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CE_gonna_CE posted...

Ok. But you didnt answer the question about if you would wait around for the order though.

Yeah. I wouldnt do doordash as Im not fond of the service. But if I took a job, Id do the job

MrDrMan posted...

You dont care about drivers or their time but you expect them to care about your food? Do you really not realize how selfish that is? The way you guys talk about drivers is exactly why they dont care if your shit gets delivered or not. You dont have even the most basic level of respect for them. Maybe once you do youll get better service. Until then you get bare minimum service which is exactly what you deserve talking like that.

I dont expect them to care about my food. I just expect them to do the job they signed up for So, its not selfish at all. I think its more selfish that the drivers sign up and accept a job. Then just drop it. Thats actually selfish. Or will let all those other order sit because not all of them are worth their time. Those are things I think are selfish And the reason I dont respect them is literally because of the shit they do. The things you guys are talking about doing in this topic. Why shouldnt I respect them at all when they wont even do the job they signed up for? Or will literally drop the job because waiting is involved? You say we dont care, but neither do you guys. You do your job 20% of the time and think people should respect you for it

In the end, we could care less if you respect our food or not. As long as you deliver the food to the customer is the same condition you picked it up in, thats all that really matters

And no, they dont deserve it. But entitled drivers like you will always say that. Just like you seem to assume that everybody ordering is just lazy when they are thousands of reasons why someone may not be able to leave
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i'm not gonna read 10 pages of this

but yeah fucking tip your doordashers

and they have every right to not waste their time with low value deliveries
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LinkPizza posted...

Yeah. I wouldnt do doordash as Im not fond of the service. But if I took a job, Id do the job

I dont expect them to care about my food. I just expect them to do the job they signed up for So, its not selfish at all. I think its more selfish that the drivers sign up and accept a job. Then just drop it. Thats actually selfish. Or will let all those other order sit because not all of them are worth their time. Those are things I think are selfish And the reason I dont respect them is literally because of the shit they do. The things you guys are talking about doing in this topic. Why shouldnt I respect them at all when they wont even do the job they signed up for? Or will literally drop the job because waiting is involved? You say we dont care, but neither do you guys. You do your job 20% of the time and think people should respect you for it

In the end, we could care less if you respect our food or not. As long as you deliver the food to the customer is the same condition you picked it up in, thats all that really matters

And no, they dont deserve it. But entitled drivers like you will always say that. Just like you seem to assume that everybody ordering is just lazy when they are thousands of reasons why someone may not be able to leave

If I wasnt doing my job I would be deactivated. You dont understand how DoorDash works on a fundamental level so really I couldnt care less what you have to say.

I do the orders worth my time. Nothing more and nothing less. You dont get to tell someone what their value is and maybe once you realize that then this topic will make more sense to you.

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MrDrMan posted...

If I wasnt doing my job I would be deactivated. You dont understand how DoorDash works on a fundamental level so really I couldnt care less what you have to say.

I do the orders worth my time. Nothing more and nothing less. You dont get to tell someone what their value is and maybe once you realize that then this topic will make more sense to you.

Apparently, you won't get deactivated, though. Didn't you say you were at a 20% accept rate. That would be like if you had a job as a waiter/waitress and only served 1/5 of all the tables you had. Hence why I say they aren't doing their job... Because you decline like 80% of the jobs offered. And for the one you accept, you seem to just cancel some of them sometimes... To me (and probably many other people), that doesn't really sound like doing your job... And I understand how it works. All the drivers have been talking about it here. I just think it's fucking stupid... And I also couldn't care less about what you have to say, either...

And I'm telling you what their value is. I'm just saying it's stupid to take this job, and then do less than 1/5 of the jobs that are offered... And it's dumb doordash allows it... And like I said, I already understand this topic. I just think it's stupid. You're just making more dumb assumptions like you've been this whole time...
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Cocytus posted...

It's practical sometimes. I get deliveries and I know what to expect. If I believe there's almost no way to fuck it up, then I will gladly prepay a decent tip, especially if I can modify the tip if something does go wrong.

If there's no way to fuck it up, what's the tip for? Presumably you are already paying a charge for delivery.

For people agonising about low value deliveries and how the customer should tip to avoid them stagnating, I disagree. If the pay is too low for a driver to pick it up, that is the delivery company (UE, DD, GH) fucking up. The solution is to increase the payout, and charge the buyer more if needed. Of course the drivers are free to pick whatever jobs they want, but don't blame the customer because the company doesn't pay properly.

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LinkPizza posted...

Apparently, you won't get deactivated, though. Didn't you say you were at a 20% accept rate. That would be like if you had a job as a waiter/waitress and only served 1/5 of all the tables you had. Hence why I say they aren't doing their job... Because you decline like 80% of the jobs offered. And for the one you accept, you seem to just cancel some of them sometimes... To me (and probably many other people), that doesn't really sound like doing your job... And I understand how it works. All the drivers have been talking about it here. I just think it's fucking stupid... And I also couldn't care less about what you have to say, either...

And I'm telling you what their value is. I'm just saying it's stupid to take this job, and then do less than 1/5 of the jobs that are offered... And it's dumb doordash allows it... And like I said, I already understand this topic. I just think it's stupid. You're just making more dumb assumptions like you've been this whole time...

Except its not because a waiter is an employee. A dasher is a contractor. Huge difference.

Like I said you dont understand basic concepts which is why youre in this topic embarrassing yourself.

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MrDrMan posted...

Except its not because a waiter is an employee. A dasher is a contractor. Huge difference.

Like I said you dont understand basic concepts which is why youre in this topic embarrassing yourself.

Sure. There's a difference. Employees actual do their job while contractors try to avoid doing it most of the time, it seems...

And like I said, I do understand. The only one who should be embarrassed are you and the other entitled dashers...
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LinkPizza posted...

Apparently, you won't get deactivated, though. Didn't you say you were at a 20% accept rate. That would be like if you had a job as a waiter/waitress and only served 1/5 of all the tables you had. Hence why I say they aren't doing their job... Because you decline like 80% of the jobs offered. And for the one you accept, you seem to just cancel some of them sometimes... To me (and probably many other people), that doesn't really sound like doing your job... And I understand how it works. All the drivers have been talking about it here. I just think it's fucking stupid... And I also couldn't care less about what you have to say, either...

And I'm telling you what their value is. I'm just saying it's stupid to take this job, and then do less than 1/5 of the jobs that are offered... And it's dumb doordash allows it... And like I said, I already understand this topic. I just think it's stupid. You're just making more dumb assumptions like you've been this whole time...

But when you take on delivering for DD, youre not taking a job. Theres no interview, just a background check. Youre simply allowing yourself to be active on the DD platform and allowing for deliveries to be sent to you. Theres no quota. You dont have to schedule. There are no bosses. Every single order in and of itself is an individual job.

As an independent contractor, you have free reign to accept or decline each order/job as you see fit. Not worth it? Dont take it. Dont fee like delivering on a day? Dont turn on the app.

This is where it is much different than someone waiting tables and such. An employee in that instance has no choice or the right to refuse service. As long as DD classifies delivery drivers as independent contractors, this difference will always exist. You seem to think there is some sort of obligation drivers have to accept every order, but the simple fact of the matter is that every order is different, and the vast majority of what DD throws at us isnt worth the cost of gas alone, let alone the time.

DD actually used to require a certain acceptance rate, if I understand correctly, but they got into hot water with that due to the classification of drivers as IC, so thats why there is no penalty for declining as many orders as possible.

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CE_gonna_CE posted...

But when you take on delivering for DD, youre not taking a job. Theres no interview, just a background check. Youre simply allowing yourself to be active on the DD platform and allowing for deliveries to be sent to you. Theres no quota. You dont have to schedule. There are no bosses. Every single order in and of itself is an individual job.

As an independent contractor, you have free reign to accept or decline each order/job as you see fit. Not worth it? Dont take it. Dont fee like delivering on a day? Dont turn on the app.

This is where it is much different than someone waiting tables and such. An employee in that instance has no choice or the right to refuse service. As long as DD classifies delivery drivers as independent contractors, this difference will always exist. You seem to think there is some sort of obligation drivers have to accept every order, but the simple fact of the matter is that every order is different, and the vast majority of what DD throws at us isnt worth the cost of gas alone, let alone the time.

DD actually used to require a certain acceptance rate, if I understand correctly, but they got into hot water with that due to the classification of drivers as IC, so thats why there is no penalty for declining as many orders as possible.

And this is probably why it sucks as a service, tbh... And I don't use the app for that reason, and many more. In all honesty, I really hope it dies out... And eventually, with the amount of declines that are apparently happening, it could just get worse. And it sucks they can give out penalties for low acceptance rates, anymore. Maybe if they were allowed to, more people would get their food... Especially if they would have allowed multiple orders going to the same area...
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LinkPizza posted...

And this is probably why it sucks as a service, tbh... And I don't use the app for that reason, and many more. In all honesty, I really hope it dies out... And eventually, with the amount of declines that are apparently happening, it could just get worse. And it sucks they can give out penalties for low acceptance rates, anymore. Maybe if they were allowed to, more people would get their food... Especially if they would have allowed multiple orders going to the same area...

Sucks to suck. If you dont use it I dont see why you care or are sitting here whining. Leave it to the people that dont mind paying a premium for delivery. Its a premium service and is treated as such.

Capitalism created this beast. Dont complain now.


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MrDrMan posted...

You get refunded if the job isnt performed so your point is moot.

I would much rather get the service and goods I payed for then a refund
MrDrMan posted...

Do you really not realize how selfish that is?

How is it selfish to pay for something and expect to get what you paid for?

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I only tip $2 but I also don't care if my food shows up 30 minutes late and cold. I feel like that's a fair compromise.

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ArchNemo posted...

I only tip $2 but I also don't care if my food shows up 30 minutes late and cold. I feel like that's a fair compromise.

You probably wont get it unless you tip like $10 apparently

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Soon we will be able to add this topic to the long and storied legacy of tipping topics on CE to hit 500

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Sonic Cannon posted...

Soon we will be able to add this topic to the long and storied legacy of tipping topics on CE to hit 500

Everyone quit posting NOW.

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MrDrMan posted...

Sucks to suck. If you dont use it I dont see why you care or are sitting here whining. Leave it to the people that dont mind paying a premium for delivery. Its a premium service and is treated as such.

Capitalism created this beast. Dont complain now.

Yeah. And the most of the drivers and app are part of those things that suck... And I can still say how dumb it is, even if I don't use it. I don't see why using it matter. I've seen others use it. I've seen the insane prices and waits... People constantly talk about them... And nobody considers delivery premium service. The problem is not all the food industry has it yet. Once most food places have it, we can get rid of it for good... And just because capitalism created doesn't mean you have to keep feeding it. This whole time, all the dashers have been doing is trying to pass the buck to everyone else for their shitty behavior... Like saying I should blame Doordash because they allow you to cancel orders, when you don't have to cancel them just because they allow it...

ArchNemo posted...

I only tip $2 but I also don't care if my food shows up 30 minutes late and cold. I feel like that's a fair compromise.

That would be nice. But a $2, they probably won't even pick it up. They'll just leave it to rot at the restaurant, and you'll eventually get you money back...
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LinkPizza posted...

And just because capitalism created doesn't mean you have to keep feeding it. This whole time, all the dashers have been doing is trying to pass the buck to everyone else for their shitty behavior...

People place orders, restaurants prepare them, drivers deliver.

Drivers are the middlemen in the process. What do you want, all dashers to quit? As long as there is supply and demand, there is a need for dashers.

If you dont want to use the services that is perfectly fine, but for someone who doesnt use them you sure are needlessly expending a lot of effort here in this topic for nothing.

Also, a $2 tip might be enough sometimes. This example is by no means the norm, but on random occasions DD will kick up the base pay enough to make the order worth it. See below.



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CE_gonna_CE posted...

People place orders, restaurants prepare them, drivers deliver.

Drivers are the middlemen in the process. What do you want, all dashers to quit? As long as there is supply and demand, there is a need for dashers.

If you dont want to use the services that is perfectly fine, but for someone who doesnt use them you sure are needlessly expending a lot of effort here in this topic for nothing.

Also, a $2 tip might be enough sometimes. This example is by no means the norm, but on random occasions DD will kick up the base pay enough to make the order worth it. See below.

I mean, I could care less of they all quit. Id rather have the actual places have their own delivery driver. That would be much better. And more places are actually getting their own these days. But its unlikely all of them will Well, anytime soon, at least Maybe they eventually will

It takes no effort to just post in a topic about a company I think is shitty, so I dont really see an issue

And while its good that person got their food, it sucks other people wont. And many probably dont know why. Because some will tip well, and they may still get rejected because some dasher wants to try to make more. I think it was mentioned earlier where someone said they got one that was a decent tip, but still rejected it, and the next one was worth more. It just kind of sucks for people who have no idea why they didnt get their foodEspecially since many might not know you guys are basing how much you want in tips on distance, and some are giving a good tip, but still getting rejected because they feel they might get a higher one from someone else... Which is why restaurants having their own would be much better. Especially since that would mean people would know they are getting food, rather than pray and hope for it
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DoorDash represents modern serfdom.

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LinkPizza posted...

I mean, I could care less of they all quit. Id rather have the actual places have their own delivery driver. That would be much better. And more places are actually getting their own these days. But its unlikely all of them will Well, anytime soon, at least Maybe they eventually will

It takes no effort to just post in a topic about a company I think is shitty, so I dont really see an issue

And while its good that person got their food, it sucks other people wont. And many probably dont know why. Because some will tip well, and they may still get rejected because some dasher wants to try to make more. I think it was mentioned earlier where someone said they got one that was a decent tip, but still rejected it, and the next one was worth more. It just kind of sucks for people who have no idea why they didnt get their foodEspecially since many might not know you guys are basing how much you want in tips on distance, and some are giving a good tip, but still getting rejected because they feel they might get a higher one from someone else... Which is why restaurants having their own would be much better. Especially since that would mean people would know they are getting food, rather than pray and hope for it

Do you understand the reason restaurants dont have their own drivers is the same reason DoorDash doesnt label drivers as employees? Its because of labor costs. It will never happen. They dont want to have to pay someone a full time wage plus benefits and all the things that come along them being employees.

Delivery IS a premium service. Its not necessary. Its a service you can have at a significantly higher price. If you want food delivered to your doorstep thats just how it is. There is no reason for companies to take on that cost when customers can just come get the food themselves.

Basically like valet. You can have them park your car for a premium or you can just do it yourself. Exact same thing bro. Its not changing.

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MrDrMan posted...

Do you understand the reason restaurants dont have their own drivers is the same reason DoorDash doesnt label drivers as employees? Its because of labor costs. It will never happen. They dont want to have to pay someone a full time wage plus benefits and all the things that come along them being employees.

Delivery IS a premium service. Its not necessary. Its a service you can have at a significantly higher price. If you want food delivered to your doorstep thats just how it is. There is no reason for companies to take on that cost when customers can just come get the food themselves.

Basically like valet. You can have them park your car for a premium or you can just do it yourself. Exact same thing bro. Its not changing.

My question to you is, if it works in the pizza industry why can it not work for restaurants?
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voldothegr8 posted...

My question to you is, if it works in the pizza industry why can it not work for restaurants?

Because delivery has always been an inherent part of really any business selling pizzas. With other restaurants though, moving to delivery has been a relatively recent trend. The pandemic has sped that along, sure, but in the grand scheme of things its all still rather new.

You have places like Chick-Fil-A working toward doing it themselves, but its not quite as easy or quick of a shift as you might think.

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voldothegr8 posted...

My question to you is, if it works in the pizza industry why can it not work for restaurants?

Because waiters make $2 hour. The rest of that is made up with tips. One delivery driver at $15/hour equals the labor cost of about seven waiters. It makes no sense from a business standpoint to do that when delivery isnt a necessary service. Would also take away business from their servers and walk in traffic since those people would just eat at home.

Restaurants operate on thin margins as it is. Food isnt their money maker. Alcohol is where the margin is and delivery on alcohol is obviously not quite as simple.

Logic is kind of how movie theaters wouldnt want to offer all movies on demand day one from home. Sure its nice for customers but it would decimate the core business.

Im not an expert but Id almost guarantee people tend to order more while sitting in the restaurant as opposed to online delivery. Lot of purchases are made on impulse of on the waiter is right here let me add that real quick.

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MrDrMan posted...

Do you understand the reason restaurants dont have their own drivers is the same reason DoorDash doesnt label drivers as employees? Its because of labor costs. It will never happen. They dont want to have to pay someone a full time wage plus benefits and all the things that come along them being employees.

Delivery IS a premium service. Its not necessary. Its a service you can have at a significantly higher price. If you want food delivered to your doorstep thats just how it is. There is no reason for companies to take on that cost when customers can just come get the food themselves.

Basically like valet. You can have them park your car for a premium or you can just do it yourself. Exact same thing bro. Its not changing.

Restaurants can still have their own. Many other places have started doing it. It cant happen fast, or all at once, but that doesnt mean it cant happen. They just need time. I mean, even Chick-Fil-A started. Other can, though. Once a place has delivery, some people will definitely start using it So, you can say it will never happen, but thats not a guarantee Theyd probably start with fast food places first, though And since the delivery is through the store, they know theyll get the food they ordered. So, more people will probably order from them since theyll actually get their food
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MutantJohn posted...

DoorDash represents modern serfdom.

We're already under that.

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Pretty close, it seems...
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It's funny "unskilled" workers get rations of shit from asshole people but those same assholes screech when they can't get their latte or their McChicken because those people working "unskilled" jobs don't want to work for shitty wages and serve fuckwad people.


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This is a to 500 topic I see.

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500!

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See you in the next DD and/or tipping topic

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