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CornPop
11/10/21 3:38:24 PM
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Holy shit, gas was $2.09!

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Gobstoppers12
11/10/21 3:38:48 PM
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troll_swag posted...
I didnt bring up the immigrant stuff though.
I just wanted you to prove your assertion that illegal immigrants are frequently punished for crimes they're the victim of. That's a pretty salacious claim.

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InfinityMonster
11/10/21 3:39:15 PM
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troll_swag posted...
I didnt bring up the immigrant stuff though. I only responded to it once it was brought to me. Nice try tho.
Yes, I'm referring to this

"There are literally countless cases of illegal immigrants being punished for the pettiest of things, even when theyre the victim."

To which he asked for examples, and you just told him not to be ignorant without providing anything and now claiming he lost.

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dioxxys
11/10/21 3:41:15 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
I think its in poor taste to paint him as this sympathetic poor soul when people lost their fucking life and he will likely walk free and get tons of endorsements for this entire thing.
@sktgamer_13dude
Yeah its so sad we lost the soul of that child molester and those other convicted criminals
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troll_swag
11/10/21 3:44:48 PM
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how many times has an illegal immigrant been the victim of a crime(attacked,robbed,beaten,raped,etc) and gotten deported? Youre going to sit here and tell me that this doesnt occur frequently?

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FLOUR
11/10/21 3:47:09 PM
#207:


So was the comedy bit between the judge and prosecutor earlier meant to be deliberate?

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Gobstoppers12
11/10/21 3:47:18 PM
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troll_swag posted...
how many times has an illegal immigrant been the victim of a crime(attacked,robbed,beaten,raped,etc) and gotten deported? Youre going to sit here and tell me that this doesnt occur frequently?
They're not being punished for being a victim, in that case. They're being punished for the law that they violated, completely independent of any other crime.

It's like being rear ended, through no fault of your own, but because the police investigate the crash they find out you've been driving with expired plates.

You're not being punished for being rear ended, you're being punished for driving with expired plates.

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DeadBankerDream
11/10/21 3:48:51 PM
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troll_swag posted...
how many times has an illegal immigrant been the victim of a crime(attacked,robbed,beaten,raped,etc) and gotten deported? Youre going to sit here and tell me that this doesnt occur frequently?
How does that mean that an illegal immigrant can't use a self defense argument in a case where they defended themselves? You can't be serious.

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BobEvansLegend
11/10/21 3:50:07 PM
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Wow. Even the judge is confused by this prosecutor now.

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troll_swag
11/10/21 3:51:29 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
They're not being punished for being a victim, in that case. They're being punished for the law that they violated, completely independent of any other crime.

It's like being rear ended, through no fault of your own, but because the police investigate the crash they find out you've been driving with expired plates.

You're not being punished for being rear ended, you're being punished for driving with expired plates.
And this is why its not an apt comparison to Rittenhouse. Totally different circumstances.

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BobEvansLegend
11/10/21 3:53:12 PM
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Now he can't run a slide show.

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Gobstoppers12
11/10/21 3:57:06 PM
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troll_swag posted...
And this is why its not an apt comparison to Rittenhouse. Totally different circumstances.
Same principal, though. If you kill somebody in a justified act of self defense, it's not a criminal act. A minor weapon charge doesn't nullify your right to claim self defense.

So punish him on the weapons charge, sure, but he absolutely did not commit murder.

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gunplagirl
11/10/21 3:57:18 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
This entire paragraph is amazing. He does not randomly run away; he immediately starts heading towards where the police line is set up. Before doing so, he tells Grosskreutz and anyone else standing close to the shooting that he is going to the police. "He falls" after he is punched in the back of his head by a mob of angry rioters who don't care that he's running towards the police. He then has a man try to kick him in the head and is immediately smacked in the shoulder with a skateboard in a failed attempt to bash his skull. As he aims at the person who tried to murder him with a skateboard, they grab the barrel of his gun and he fires into their chest.

Then Grosskreutz reaches him and Kyle points his rifle at the ground. Grosskreutz then pulls his pistol and aims it at Rittenhouse before having his arm blown away. A man next to Grosskreutz puts his hands up and backs away and Rittenhouse doesn't even give him a second look because he is not attacking him.

You are so unbelievably dishonest it's disgusting.
@ThePrinceFish I was just going off of what the defense spent time doing while cross examining him. I said at least twice that it's looking like that's how they're going to frame things. It's not a matter of honesty, it's a matter of how things are framed which is everything in these cases.

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CableZL
11/10/21 3:57:25 PM
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Are they arguing that zooming in on an image is equal to altering it?

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Sayoria
11/10/21 3:58:51 PM
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This judge is a fucking idiot. This is why there should be age limits on positions of power.

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troll_swag
11/10/21 3:59:16 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Same principal, though. If you kill somebody in a justified act of self defense, it's not a criminal act. A minor weapon charge doesn't nullify your right to claim self defense.

So punish him on the weapons charge, sure, but he absolutely did not commit murder.
Well I absolutely never said he commuted murder.

i said he shouldnt be able to claim self defense

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InfinityMonster
11/10/21 3:59:27 PM
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Oh damn. Interesting argument here. Defense is arguing that pinch and zooming a photo on an iPad alters the photo.

Which is not something that has really been in phones, at least not on any major level, till just now with the Pixel 6. The Pixel 6 does in fact use AI to enhance zoomed photos. And it has been adding some hilarious shit.

Prosecution is arguing common sense and is inviting an expert

The judge is saying the defense's argument makes sense so we should make sure.

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Life Sympathy
11/10/21 3:59:50 PM
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How to show a powerpoint presentation...........

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CoasterFan1990
11/10/21 4:01:05 PM
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Video was unavailable
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Revocation68
11/10/21 4:01:07 PM
#221:


Smashingpmkns posted...
https://twitter.com/cathyrusson/status/1458470303747964928

Awful acting tbh lol

Fake as fuck.
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CableZL
11/10/21 4:02:14 PM
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The judge doesn't believe that expanding an image isn't altering it

FFS

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Gobstoppers12
11/10/21 4:02:36 PM
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troll_swag posted...
i said he shouldnt be able to claim self defense
That's your opinion, I guess, but it's not the law.

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CoasterFan1990
11/10/21 4:04:59 PM
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Anyone got a link for the trial?
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gunplagirl
11/10/21 4:05:04 PM
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Oh. And I just want to reiterate, you can't use deadly force to defend yourself unless you're in a position where people would reasonably agree that you are fearing for your life. You can't go from getting swung at to pulling out a knife and disemboweling someone in the street. Disproportionate response of force and escalating the situation is not a defense.

Sayoria posted...
This judge is a fucking idiot. This is why there should be age limits on positions of power.
Agreed

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SergeantGander
11/10/21 4:05:21 PM
#226:


Revocation68 posted...
Fake as ****

If there is anything Redneck Illinois teen boys are know for, it is definitely their ability to cry on command. All those years of Drama club paying off

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iPhone_7
11/10/21 4:14:36 PM
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The prosecutor was pretty based defending the rioting, rock throwing, & setting fires as not alarming enough to warrant taking action.

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InfinityMonster
11/10/21 4:19:17 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Oh. And I just want to reiterate, you can't use deadly force to defend yourself unless you're in a position where people would reasonably agree that you are fearing for your life. You can't go from getting swung at to pulling out a knife and disemboweling someone in the street. Disproportionate response of force and escalating the situation is not a defense.

Agreed
He was running away and was cornered and then Rosenbaum lunged at him to take his gun.

What's with all these fake alternate versions of the night all of you seem confident in believing happened?

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CoasterFan1990
11/10/21 4:20:02 PM
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Nobody has link to the live feed?
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FLOUR
11/10/21 4:20:22 PM
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How does a computer go about "magnifying" an image though?

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Sayoria
11/10/21 4:22:25 PM
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iPhone_7 posted...
The prosecutor was pretty based defending the rioting, rock throwing, & setting fires as not alarming enough to warrant taking action.

Gonna need to be, seeing how the judge is clearly biased.

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viewmaster_pi
11/10/21 4:22:31 PM
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suddenly being beaten with a skateboard and mobbed up on and having a gun aimed at you aren't reasonable situations where one would fear for their life, very cool to know, i feel empowered

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CoasterFan1990
11/10/21 4:23:22 PM
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The trial is still live right?
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Cocytus
11/10/21 4:24:50 PM
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***LIVE TRIAL LINK***

https://youtu.be/si9YXq0A1Vk
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RetsuZaiZen
11/10/21 4:34:48 PM
#235:


This judge

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PoundGarden
11/10/21 4:37:39 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
So you must also agree that an illegal immigrant, present in the US as a direct violation of the law, has no right to claim self defense either.

Unless that immigrant was playing vigilante with an illegal firearm, this is a moot point.

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PoundGarden
11/10/21 4:41:18 PM
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It's astonishing how many people think teenagers should he able to go play vigilante then go "lol self defense" when they kill alleged criminals and walk away consequence free.

Like think about what a horrible precedent that sets.

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InfinityMonster
11/10/21 4:44:29 PM
#238:


PoundGarden posted...
It's astonishing how many people think teenagers should he able to go play vigilante then go "lol self defense" when they kill alleged criminals and walk away consequence free.

Like think about what a horrible precedent that sets.
No, it's insane that people think just because he went somewhere violent and several hours passed without any incidents, that some crazy guy can sneak up on you to take your gun and you're supposed to sit there and take it.

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Sayoria
11/10/21 4:47:48 PM
#239:


Man, can we get this judge kicked from this? God damn, it couldn't get more one sided.

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PoundGarden
11/10/21 4:50:00 PM
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InfinityMonster posted...
No, it's insane that people think just because he went somewhere violent and several hours passed without any incidents, that some crazy guy can sneak up on you to take your gun and you're supposed to sit there and take it.

Probably shouldn't have been playing vigilante then and just let the cops handle it.

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DUKLegend
11/10/21 4:50:44 PM
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PoundGarden posted...
Probably shouldn't have been playing vigilante then and just let the cops handle it.

When did he try to play vigilante? Please enlighten me.
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PoundGarden
11/10/21 4:53:30 PM
#242:


DUKLegend posted...
When did he try to play vigilante? Please enlighten me.

That part where he went to a volatile situation with an illegally obtained firearm to protect property that wasn't his. Unless I'm mistaken he had no authority to do so, therefore that was textbook vigilante

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BiggLaw
11/10/21 4:58:25 PM
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PoundGarden posted...
That part where he went to a volatile situation with an illegally obtained firearm to protect property that wasn't his. Unless I'm mistaken he had no authority to do so, therefore that was textbook vigilante
Because that poster doesn't agree with that sentiment, that explanation is null and void as it doesn't benefit their argument.

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CobraGT
11/10/21 4:59:53 PM
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I read a CBS summary. KR says, "I did nothing wrong, I defended myself." For me this is enough to convict him: his 'I defended myself' is fine. It is the 'I did nothing wrong.' When Kyle Rittenhouse said "I did nothing wrong ... ", he is putting himself above the law.

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DUKLegend
11/10/21 5:03:00 PM
#245:


BiggLaw posted...
Because that poster doesn't agree with that sentiment, that explanation is null and void as it doesn't benefit their argument.

Chill. I asked him to let me know why he chose his stance. Your automatic vindication and assumption of my thoughts is exactly why I feel I need to ask where people are coming from so I more understand their point of view. I'll take his words under consideration. Yours? Not so much, you're just being a jackass.
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Gwynevere
11/10/21 5:03:53 PM
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Sayoria posted...
This judge is a fucking idiot. This is why there should be age limits on positions of power.
We've known the judge was a piece of shit for awhile now, this trial was always going to be a shit show

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Gobstoppers12
11/10/21 5:04:30 PM
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CobraGT posted...
I read a CBS summary. KR says, "I did nothing wrong, I defended myself." For me this is enough to convict him: his 'I defended myself' is fine. It is the 'I did nothing wrong.' When Kyle Rittenhouse said "I did nothing wrong ... ", he is putting himself above the law.
Sadly, some people on this board genuinely think like this.

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Dark_Spiret
11/10/21 5:05:03 PM
#248:


PoundGarden posted...


Probably shouldn't have been playing vigilante then and just let the cops handle it.
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InfinityMonster
11/10/21 5:05:07 PM
#249:


PoundGarden posted...
Probably shouldn't have been playing vigilante then and just let the cops handle it.

PoundGarden posted...
That part where he went to a volatile situation with an illegally obtained firearm to protect property that wasn't his. Unless I'm mistaken he had no authority to do so, therefore that was textbook vigilante
That's irrelevant since the evidence shows he didn't attack, provoke or antognize anybody and most people there had guns.

He was still attacked unprovoked, which doesn't invalidate self-defense. Anybody arguing against it is arguing that he should have just accepted getting attacked.

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InfinityMonster
11/10/21 5:07:49 PM
#250:


Gwynevere posted...
We've known the judge was a piece of shit for awhile now, this trial was always going to be a shit show
You guys are already coming up with conspiracies. The judge has been extremely fair with both parties. This case was always going to be a loss. No matter the judge. No matter the prosecution.

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BiggLaw
11/10/21 5:10:28 PM
#251:


DUKLegend posted...
Chill. I asked him to let me know why he chose his stance. Your automatic vindication and assumption of my thoughts is exactly why I feel I need to ask where people are coming from so I more understand their point of view. I'll take his words under consideration. Yours? Not so much, you're just being a jackass.
Your question was disingenuous. It's been answered many times in many topics by different people, and it keeps getting asked. What other answer are you fishing for other than something you agree with? It's pretty clear it hit close to home seeing as you resort to name calling right off the bat, lol.

You chill.

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