Current Events > Rittenhouse takes the stand.

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Vanished posted...

So then, this is some grand conspiracy to get the defendant off?

I wouldn't say "grand," no, nor do I think it's a "conspiracy". It's fairly commonplace.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Have you ever seen somebody break down while trying to describe a traumatic event? Because that's what it looks like.

Huh, it's almost as if gun laws and restrictions exist for a reason. Like maybe a teenager isn't equipped to deal with the reality and emotional ramifications of taking someone's life, and therefore shouldn't own a handgun or automatic rifle?
And they damn sure shouldn't be playing cop. I hope if nothing else comes from this, he loses his gun rights (which should be priveleges) for the rest of his life. You don't own a gun to go look for trouble.

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sutree posted...

Just tuned in. Why is the judge going off right now?

Prosecutor ignored a previous court motion in front of the jury in what seems like a pretty transparent attempt to get a mistrial on this dumpster fire cause he knows he's already lost.

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PoundGarden posted...

You don't own a gun to go look for trouble.

He had it for safety while literally offering medical assistance, cleaning graffiti, and putting out fires.

Clearly he needed it, too. Without it he might be dead right now.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

https://twitter.com/cathyrusson/status/1458470303747964928

Awful acting tbh lol

Yeah, he was so broken up over it while wearing his "free as fuck" shirt and making white supremacist gestures on film.


Fuck this doughy little chud.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

He had it for safety while literally offering medical assistance, cleaning graffiti, and putting out fires.

Was he qualified or authorized to do those things? Nope. Just like he was neither qualified nor authorized to own that gun.

And are you going to completely ignore his comments about wanting to shoot shoplifters? Judge sure wishes you would lol

Clearly he needed it, too. Without it he might be dead right now.

Boo hoo. And if he'd kept his ass home that night we wouldn't be having this debate.
Prisons are full of black men doing serious time who used an illegally owned firearm for self defense. You say this as if it's no big deal, illegally owning a firearm is pretty serious stuff. Using said illegal firearm to kill someone is even more egregious.

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PoundGarden posted...

And are you going to completely ignore his comments about wanting to shoot shoplifters?

Not exactly relevant to the case, is it? He shot people who aggressively assaulted him, not shoplifters.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Not exactly relevant to the case, is it? He shot people who aggressively assaulted him, not shoplifters.

Shows intent and mindset. And that he clearly should not own a gun if that's what he thinks justifies deadly force. Duh.

"Your honor, my client's journal states he wanted to kill a tall woman. The woman he allegedly killed was 5'6" so I move that the journal entry be inadmissible!"
LMAO

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Matelite posted...

But Rittenhouse had a part in it. He was tending to people medically, putting out fires, and cleaning graffiti. He didn't shoot anyone until he was ambushed and attacked, which he tried to run away from.

All with an illegal gun that he shouldnt be possessing.

Look, if Kyle got attacked and in a struggle, grabbed someones gun and shot them, then yes, itd be open and shut self defense, prosecutors would need to shut the fuck up. But he knowingly put himself in a tense situation with an illegal weapon and now people want to equate that shit to immigration and act like theyre not in the wrong.

But no, Kyle asked a friend to buy a gun for him and then the friend illegally handed Kyle the weapon. Kyle then knowingly went into a riot, after saying he wanted to shoot rioters weeks before, and guess what; he shot people.

So again, stop fucking equating his situation to illegal immigration because thats a false equivalence and disgusting to try to compare the two.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

But no, Kyle asked a friend to buy a gun for him and then the friend illegally handed Kyle the weapon. Kyle then knowingly went into a riot, after saying he wanted to shoot rioters weeks before, and guess what; he shot people.

What kind of charges is the guy that gave him the gun facing? Bare minimum I would hope accessory to manslaughter plus illegally transferring a firearm to a minor

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PoundGarden posted...

What kind of charges is the guy that gave him the gun facing? Bare minimum I would hope accessory to manslaughter plus illegally transferring a firearm to a minor

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/
19-year-old-charged-illegally-supplying-gun-kyle-rittenhouse-n1247307

Dominick Black, of Kenosha, faces two felony counts of intentionally giving a dangerous weapon to a minor, causing death, according to a criminal complaint filed in Kenosha County Circuit Court. If he's found guilty, he faces up to 6 years in prison per count.

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AssultTank posted...

So anyone who puts themselves into a dangerous situation with an illegally held weapon shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves?

They damn sure shouldn't be able to say "lol self defense" after playing vigilante and walk away scott free. Again, prisons are absolutely full of teenage minorities doing serious time for owning and/or killing/hurting someone with an illegally obtained firearm using the same rationale, self defense.

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CableZL posted...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/
19-year-old-charged-illegally-supplying-gun-kyle-rittenhouse-n1247307

Dominick Black, of Kenosha, faces two felony counts of intentionally giving a dangerous weapon to a minor, causing death, according to a criminal complaint filed in Kenosha County Circuit Court. If he's found guilty, he faces up to 6 years in prison per count.

So best case 12 years max, call it 6 with good behavior. Eh, I feel like anyone who illegally sells/gives a gun to someone who can't own it and then goes on to kill someone should face way more time then that. Start severely punishing the source of the shooter's arsenal

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PoundGarden posted...

They damn sure shouldn't be able to say "lol self defense" after playing vigilante and walk away scott free. Again, prisons are absolutely full of teenage minorities doing serious time for owning and/or killing/hurting someone with an illegally obtained firearm using the same rationale, self defense.

You're acting as though he was going around actively interrupting rioters with threat of force. Which he wasn't.

Yeah, he's a dipshit for being there(and just in general tbh). That doesn't change the fact that he was attacked without any direct provacation.

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AssultTank posted...

But the thing is, when we apply the logic you used, illegal immigrants would have no right to self defense in the US. Period.

That's...not how logic works. At all. Those are two totally different scenarios with different contexts

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AssultTank posted...

I think they shouldn't lose their right to self defense.

A minor who sneaks into a bar after stealing their mother's pistol shouldn't lose the right to defend themselves if the local tough guy decides to pound them to a pulp for bumping into him on accident.

Never said they do. But they do need to face severe consequences for allowing their dumbassery to create the situation that led to people's deaths.

Solid Snake07 posted...

You're acting as though he was going around actively interrupting rioters with threat of force. Which he wasn't.

Not sure where you're getting that from

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

All with an illegal gun that he shouldnt be possessing.

Yep. He should be found guilty of this.

Look, if Kyle got attacked and in a struggle, grabbed someones gun and shot them, then yes, itd be open and shut self defense, prosecutors would need to shut the fuck up. But he knowingly put himself in a tense situation with an illegal weapon and now people want to equate that shit to immigration and act like theyre not in the wrong.

But no, Kyle asked a friend to buy a gun for him and then the friend illegally handed Kyle the weapon. Kyle then knowingly went into a riot, after saying he wanted to shoot rioters weeks before, and guess what; he shot people.

Who said anything about illegal immigration?

Fact is that yes, Rittenhouse was there illegally with a gun he shouldn't have owned. He should be punished for that accordingly. He did not say he wished to shoot rioters weeks before. He said he wishes he had his AR15 on him.

But Kyle WAS there and was walking around with a medical kit offering medical help to anyone who needed it. He didn't go there looking for someone to shoot. In fact, he tried to run away from the guy attacking him, yelling, "Friendly! Friendly!" Oh, and since we're going on what people said before, the guy threatened TWICE to kill Rittenhouse that night.

At that point, it IS self defense. Should Rittenhouse have been there? No. And again, I hope he's found guilty of the weapons charge.

Should a woman in a provocative outfit be in a dark alley? No. But you damn sure wouldn't blame the victim if she was attacked and defended herself with a gun.

So again, stop fucking equating his situation to illegal immigration because thats a false equivalence and disgusting to try to compare the two.

I didn't compare the two.

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Fuck him and his tears. He should have stayed home. I hope he gets the same time as that 14 year old that ACCIDENTALLY killed that girl with the wrestling move.

But we know that won't happen even if convicted.

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PoundGarden posted...

Never said they do. But they do need to face severe consequences for allowing their dumbassery to create the situation that led to people's deaths.

Not sure where you're getting that from

When you claim he shouldn't be able to use self defense as his defense, you imply that he was there looking for trouble. He wasn't.

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BiggLaw posted...

Fuck him and his tears. He should have stayed home. I hope he gets the same time as that 14 year old that ACCIDENTALLY killed that girl with the wrestling move.

But we know that won't happen even if convicted.

for real, the double standards are crazy

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PoundGarden posted...

Not sure where you're getting that from

Feel like that's something the prosecution probably would have brought up.

But hey, if you know something they don't feel free to enlighten us.

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It's super weird that a kid who stated that he wanted to shoot protesters with "his" AR-15 ended up shooting protesters with "his" AR-15 two weeks later. What a coincidence!

The fact that it's not in evidence is a joke.

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PoundGarden posted...

Shows intent and mindset. And that he clearly should not own a gun if that's what he thinks justifies deadly force. Duh.

"Your honor, my client's journal states he wanted to kill a tall woman. The woman he allegedly killed was 5'6" so I move that the journal entry be inadmissible!"
LMAO

If the woman was attacking him, then what difference does it make?

He had every chance to kill multiple people that night. And when one DID attack him, he ran away trying to defuse the situation. ONLY when the person lunged for his gun did he shoot. What he said before is irrelevant at that time- it's self defense. Sorry.

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

It's super weird that a kid who stated that he wanted to shoot protesters with "his" AR-15 ended up shooting protesters with "his" AR-15 two weeks later. What a coincidence!

You're leaving out some big details. You know, like the pedophile with a history of violence against minors was chasing a minor trying to kill him.

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

All with an illegal gun that he shouldnt be possessing.

Look, if Kyle got attacked and in a struggle, grabbed someones gun and shot them, then yes, itd be open and shut self defense, prosecutors would need to shut the fuck up. But he knowingly put himself in a tense situation with an illegal weapon and now people want to equate that shit to immigration and act like theyre not in the wrong.

But no, Kyle asked a friend to buy a gun for him and then the friend illegally handed Kyle the weapon. Kyle then knowingly went into a riot, after saying he wanted to shoot rioters weeks before, and guess what; he shot people.

So again, stop fucking equating his situation to illegal immigration because thats a false equivalence and disgusting to try to compare the two.

So what does a person do in that situation?

A) Be attacked?
B) Shoot knowing he's now going to jail?
C) Pull some Naruto shit?

PoundGarden posted...

Not sure where you're getting that from

The fucking trial. Maybe you guys should pay attention to it.

WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

It's super weird that a kid who stated that he wanted to shoot protesters with "his" AR-15 ended up shooting protesters with "his" AR-15 two weeks later. What a coincidence!

The fact that it's not in evidence is a joke.

Esteemed PhD COVxy back with his dumb takes.

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Matelite posted...

You're leaving out some big details. You know, like the pedophile with a history of violence against minors was chasing a minor trying to kill him.

I mean, that seems irrelevant to the point.

Just seems weird to me, that a kid who said he wanted to shoot protesters with his AR-15 ended up in a scenario that would allow him to do so. Don't you think?

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

I mean, that seems irrelevant to the point.

Just seems weird to me, that a kid who said he wanted to shoot protesters with his AR-15 ended up in a scenario that would allow him to do so. Don't you think?

He was attacked unprovoked while minding his business.

What part of this is hard to understand?

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

I mean, that seems irrelevant to the point.

Just seems weird to me, that a kid who said he wanted to shoot protesters with his AR-15 ended up in a scenario that would allow him to do so. Don't you think?

Why is that irrelevant? Rittenhouse didn't just walk up shooting protestors. He offered medical help to them.

Only when he was chased and cornered by a pedophile with a history of violence against minors did he actually shoot someone. He didn't put himself into that scenario. A pedophile chasing him, threatening to kill him did. If anything, Rittenhouse tried to remove himself from that scenario.

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I love how people are saying that Kyle's going to get off because the "prosecution sucks" and not because there was no case to begin with because the charges filed were based entirely on politics and appeal to emotion; and not any sense of actual logic or understanding of law. Good way to ruin your career just to appease the people who were actually burning down your city.

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Siculu posted...

I love how people are saying that Kyle's going to get off because the "prosecution sucks" and not because there was no case to begin with because the charges filed were based entirely on politics and appeal to emotion; and not any sense of actual logic or understanding of law. Good way to ruin your career just to appease the people who were actually burning down your city.

The prosecutor is making like $66k a year. And didn't understand basic 5th Amendment rights. Didn't seem like he had much of a career to be ruined.

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PoundGarden posted...

Shows intent and mindset.

Literally irrelevant to the facts of this case.

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Matelite posted...

Why is that irrelevant? Rittenhouse didn't just walk up shooting protestors. He offered medical help to them.

Only when he was chased and cornered by a pedophile with a history of violence against minors did he actually shoot someone. He didn't put himself into that scenario. A pedophile chasing him did.

So, his comments earlier were coincidental? A random flittering on the tongue?

Like, I don't see how you can reconcile the picture of a dude (who worked for like a week as a lifeguard and had no real EMT/firefighting training) "just offering medical help" with the fact that he expressed interest in the exact outcome of the night just a couple weeks earlier.

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Matelite posted...

The prosecutor is making like $66k a year. And didn't understand basic 5th Amendment rights. Didn't seem like he had much of a career to be ruined.

There's a reason the DA handed this case off to the assistant DA to embarrass himself with.

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mybbqrules posted...

Yeah, he was so broken up over it while wearing his "free as fuck" shirt and making white supremacist gestures on film.


Fuck this doughy little chud.

I don't see tears streaming down his face, but I don't doubt that he understands the ramifications

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I don't see how this isn't a clear cut case of self-defense to anyone with common sense. You can't say Rittenhouse had the intention of going out to kill people when he didn't shoot anyone who was not a threat to himself. The only people he shot were people who advanced toward him within strike range or physically hit him. A guy literally advanced toward him, raised his hands, and then fled... Rittenhouse didn't shoot.

WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

So, his comments earlier were coincidental? A random flittering on the tongue?

Like, I don't see how you can reconcile the picture of a dude (who worked for like a week as a lifeguard and had no real EMT/firefighting training) "just offering medical help" with the fact that he expressed interest in the exact outcome of the night just a couple weeks earlier.

What coincidence? You can't even get it right that he expressed he wanted to shoot people literally robbing a CVS and not "protestors". What equivalency is there then to being ambushed unprovoked.

You've completely embarrassed yourself with everything in relation to this case. You can't even get the actual statements correct or anything.

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Siculu posted...

I love how people are saying that Kyle's going to get off because the "prosecution sucks" and not because there was no case to begin with because the charges filed were based entirely on politics and appeal to emotion; and not any sense of actual logic or understanding of law.

The prosecution is doing the best it can with what it's got.
Shoulda gone for the weapons charge instead of batting for the home-run.

Just normal every day life things for your average white teenager, attempting to buy body armer and weapon accessories and exchanging AR-15's in order to help people medically.

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This kid's getting off for sure. Looks like they might even call a mistrial because the prosecutors just sucking all over the place.

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

So, his comments earlier were coincidental? A random flittering on the tongue?

Like, I don't see how you can reconcile the picture of a dude (who worked for like a week as a lifeguard and had no real EMT/firefighting training) "just offering medical help" with the fact that he expressed interest in the exact outcome of the night just a couple weeks earlier.

Because according to all evidence and videos from that night, he was literally "just offering medical help". He yelled, "Anyone need medical?" right up to the point that Rosenbaum jumped out and chased him. Which he ran from.

What he said before is irrelevant when he tried everything to defuse the situation. If he wanted to just go shoot shoplifters, he had every chance to do that, but he didn't do it. He only did when he was in danger.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

The prosecution is doing the best it can with what it's got.
Shoulda gone for the weapons charge instead of batting for the home-run.

Isn't the weapons charge in the list of charges for this case?

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CableZL posted...

Isn't the weapons charge in the list of charges for this case?

Is it?
All I've been paying attention to is memes and CE being CE.

WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

Just normal every day life things for your average white teenager, attempting to buy body armer and weapon accessories and exchanging AR-15's in order to help people medically.

He brought it for his own protection and the protection of others. Good thing, too. There's a reasonable possibility that he would have been murdered if he wasn't armed that night.

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CableZL posted...

Isn't the weapons charge in the list of charges for this case?

It is. And he should be punished harshly. Can't have 17 year olds putting themselves in similar situations.

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Violating a government issued curfew is a criminally punishable offense

Rittenhouse was was not in legal possession of the firearm he had

You cannot claim self defense while in commission of a crime


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Matelite posted...

What he said before is irrelevant when he tried everything to defuse the situation. If he wanted to just go shoot shoplifters, he had every chance to do that, but he didn't do it. He only did when he was in danger.

So you're saying it's coincidence, the dude sees people looting, says he wants to shoot them. And then two weeks later goes to a protest that was heavily cast across social media with a whole bunch of looters and violent protestors and ends up shooting 3 people?

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