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adjl 09/02/21 12:55:03 PM #52:	BUMPED2002 posted... Each one of us is responsible for our own health and that means we have to make choices good or bad on what's right for us individually in regards to our own health. That's the thing, though: This is not just about one's own health. If it were, fine, do whatever, but people who have refused the Covid vaccine are now making up the vast majority of hospitalized cases, and there are enough of them that many ICU's are unable to accept new patients, regardless of why those patients need ICU care. A guy died in Kansas after waiting 3 days for an ICU bed to open, when he needed the spot because of surgical complications (not anything related to taking any sort of personal Covid-based risk). That's not okay. The unvaccinated people clogging up those ICU's killed him by "making their own choices for their health." That's the root of the problem here: when the decisions you make about your own health start hurting other people, you need to stop making those decisions. Anyone who doesn't should expect to face consequences from whatever agencies are responsible for preventing them from harming other people (namely, the government). BUMPED2002 posted... People react to vaccines differently and no one knows what reaction may come with being vaccinated until they get the vaccine. Fortunately, there are reams of data out there on the risks associated with the vaccines that will allow people to make informed risk analyses (analyses which - for anyone that understands that 10 is a smaller number than 10,000 and doesn't have a previously identified exacerbating factor - overwhelmingly favour vaccination), as well as medical professionals that can assess one's personal medical history to determine whether or not they are at greater risk than the general population. This "no one knows how they'll react" spiel is nonsense that ignores basic risk assessment and does not in any way justify choosing not to get the vaccine. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:957671746] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>BUMPED2002 posted... </cite> <quote>Each one of us is responsible for our own health and that means we have to make choices good or bad on what's right for us individually in regards to our own health.</quote> That's the thing, though: This is not just about one's own health. If it were, fine, do whatever, but people who have refused the Covid vaccine are now making up the vast majority of hospitalized cases, and there are enough of them that many ICU's are unable to accept new patients, regardless of why those patients need ICU care. A guy died in Kansas after waiting 3 days for an ICU bed to open, when he needed the spot because of surgical complications (not anything related to taking any sort of personal Covid-based risk). That's not okay. The unvaccinated people clogging up those ICU's killed him by "making their own choices for their health." That's the root of the problem here: when the decisions you make about your own health start hurting other people, you need to stop making those decisions. Anyone who doesn't should expect to face consequences from whatever agencies are responsible for preventing them from harming other people (namely, the government). BUMPED2002 posted... </cite> <quote>People react to vaccines differently and no one knows what reaction may come with being vaccinated until they get the vaccine.</quote> Fortunately, there are reams of data out there on the risks associated with the vaccines that will allow people to make informed risk analyses (analyses which - for anyone that understands that 10 is a smaller number than 10,000 and doesn't have a previously identified exacerbating factor - overwhelmingly favour vaccination), as well as medical professionals that can assess one's personal medical history to determine whether or not they are at greater risk than the general population. This "no one knows how they'll react" spiel is nonsense that ignores basic risk assessment and does not in any way justify choosing not to get the vaccine. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 09/02/21 1:01:55 PM #53:	BUMPED2002 posted... Personally, I think people should choose if they want to get the vaccine or not much the way we choose whether or not we want a flu shot. Yes, you're right that the two operate the same: and "the way we choose" should be to get the covid vaccine, just as everyone should get the flu vaccine. --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:957671933] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>BUMPED2002 posted... </cite> <quote>Personally, I think people should choose if they want to get the vaccine or not much the way we choose whether or not we want a flu shot.</quote> Yes, you're right that the two operate the same: and "the way we choose" should be to get the covid vaccine, just as everyone should get the flu vaccine. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MartianManchild 09/02/21 1:03:40 PM #54:	adjl posted... That's the thing, though: This is not just about one's own health. The vaccine protects you. It does not protect others. Ive already posted an article showing fully vaccinated individuals suffering from breakthrough cases still having the same viral load as unvaccinated. Please stop with your false narrative. Freedom of choice over what you put into your own body should be a fundamental right. You people championing mandates and forced vaccinations are extremely regressive and will lead us on a very slippery slope. <cite>MartianManchild posted [p:957671977] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>That's the thing, though: This is not just about one's own health.</quote>The vaccine protects you. It does not protect others. Ive already posted an article showing fully vaccinated individuals suffering from breakthrough cases still having the same viral load as unvaccinated. Please stop with your false narrative. Freedom of choice over what you put into your own body should be a fundamental right. You people championing mandates and forced vaccinations are extremely regressive and will lead us on a very slippery slope. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/02/21 1:04:12 PM #55:	BUMPED2002 posted... Each one of us is responsible for our own health and that means we have to make choices good or bad on what's right for us individually in regards to our own health. Nope. Get vaccinated or get the fuck out of our country. --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:957671986] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>BUMPED2002 posted... </cite> <quote>Each one of us is responsible for our own health and that means we have to make choices good or bad on what's right for us individually in regards to our own health.</quote> Nope. Get vaccinated or get the fuck out of our country. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/02/21 1:05:23 PM #56:	MartianManchild posted... The vaccine protects you. It does not protect others. Ive already posted an article showing fully vaccinated individuals suffering from breakthrough cases still having the same viral load as unvaccinated. Please stop with your false narrative. Freedom of choice over what you put into your own body should be a fundamental right. You people championing mandates and forced vaccinations are extremely regressive and will lead us on a very slippery slope. You should really make a habit of reading more than the first sentence of people's posts before thinking you have a valid counterpoint to what they're saying. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:957672017] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>MartianManchild posted... </cite> <quote>The vaccine protects you. It does not protect others. Ive already posted an article showing fully vaccinated individuals suffering from breakthrough cases still having the same viral load as unvaccinated. Please stop with your false narrative. Freedom of choice over what you put into your own body should be a fundamental right. You people championing mandates and forced vaccinations are extremely regressive and will lead us on a very slippery slope.</quote> You should really make a habit of reading more than the first sentence of people's posts before thinking you have a valid counterpoint to what they're saying. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 09/02/21 1:52:03 PM #57:	MartianManchild posted... The vaccine protects you. It does not protect others. Ive already posted an article showing fully vaccinated individuals suffering from breakthrough cases still having the same viral load as unvaccinated. Please stop with your false narrative. Freedom of choice over what you put into your own body should be a fundamental right. You people championing mandates and forced vaccinations are extremely regressive and will lead us on a very slippery slope. --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:957673319] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>MartianManchild posted... </cite> <quote>The vaccine protects you. It does not protect others. Ive already posted an article showing fully vaccinated individuals suffering from breakthrough cases still having the same viral load as unvaccinated. Please stop with your false narrative. Freedom of choice over what you put into your own body should be a fundamental right. You people championing mandates and forced vaccinations are extremely regressive and will lead us on a very slippery slope.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grinderpug 09/02/21 10:39:19 PM #58:	Well the Manchild part checks out --- Grrr <cite>Grinderpug posted [p:957688664] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Well the Manchild part checks out </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sequiro 09/04/21 10:59:35 AM #59:	MartianManchild posted... Martian... Please understand how vaccination works. They help train your body to effectively fight the virus that invades you. This increases your resistance to the virus making it less likely to get it (not 100% but definitely much less of a chance as your body can often kill the invader before it takes hold in your body) But if it does still take hold, your body still is able to fight it off better, lessening the symptoms and shortening the time it is in your body. Result? Meaning you are less likely to be a carrier and if you still do you will carry it for a shorter time. Plus your symptoms won't be so bad so you won't be coughing, sneezing snotting as much. Meaning you won't be as effective for passing it around like the virus wants. Now sir. If vast majority of a population all have this built up resistance to the virus. It creates a herd immunity effect and typically will drive said virus from the area. If everyone in the area is resistant to it and its not able to take hold very well in a immunized area it will die off in said area. This is the same way we were able to get rid of small pox in the world. So genius it does INDEED help others other than just yourself. But its based on EVERYONE or near everyone becoming vaccinated for it to work. So fuck your freedoms. You, and I and every single person should be stabbed with the vaccine MANDATORY. --- My Gaming PC - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xCxDK3, Pic - https://imgur.com/a/3fWOAhp <cite>Sequiro posted [p:957727631] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>MartianManchild posted... <quote> </quote> Martian... Please understand how vaccination works. They help train your body to effectively fight the virus that invades you. This increases your resistance to the virus making it less likely to get it (not 100% but definitely much less of a chance as your body can often kill the invader before it takes hold in your body)But if it does still take hold, your body still is able to fight it off better, lessening the symptoms and shortening the time it is in your body.Result? Meaning you are less likely to be a carrier and if you still do you will carry it for a shorter time. Plus your symptoms won't be so bad so you won't be coughing, sneezing snotting as much. Meaning you won't be as effective for passing it around like the virus wants. Now sir. If vast majority of a population all have this built up resistance to the virus. It creates a herd immunity effect and typically will drive said virus from the area. If everyone in the area is resistant to it and its not able to take hold very well in a immunized area it will die off in said area. This is the same way we were able to get rid of small pox in the world. So genius it does INDEED help others other than just yourself. But its based on EVERYONE or near everyone becoming vaccinated for it to work. So fuck your freedoms. You, and I and every single person should be stabbed with the vaccine MANDATORY. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeoSioType 09/04/21 3:51:28 PM #60:	The Man wants you to hate the unvaxed because their goal is to dehumanize those who don't readily accept forced compliance. That's how to justify things like inhumane concentration camps and assert control. Covid is real but they overreacted and exploited it by taking up emergency powers. And they're likely not going to give those powers up. Like how the Patriot act and surveillance state emerged after 9/11. Vaccine passports are the "Foot-in-the-door technique" for a social credit system in the west. /conspiracytheory <cite>NeoSioType posted [p:957734595] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>The Man wants you to hate the unvaxed because their goal is to dehumanize those who don't readily accept forced compliance. That's how to justify things like inhumane concentration camps and assert control. Covid is real but they overreacted and exploited it by taking up emergency powers. And they're likely not going to give those powers up. Like how the Patriot act and surveillance state emerged after 9/11. Vaccine passports are the "Foot-in-the-door technique" for a social credit system in the west. /conspiracytheory </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Poll of the Day > If you refuse to get vaccinated you should be refused ER/Hospital Care.