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Mead 07/31/21 3:31:45 AM #101:	JixHedgehog posted... Huh.. we went to E3 a couple of times and had a great time, downtown LA and one of the beaches too Kinda heart breaking to hear that :( most places will seem like shit if youre just viewing the area through headlines it was a beautiful day today --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:956633442] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>JixHedgehog posted... </cite> <quote>Huh.. we went to E3 a couple of times and had a great time, downtown LA and one of the beaches too Kinda heart breaking to hear that :(</quote> most places will seem like shit if youre just viewing the area through headlines it was a beautiful day today </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/31/21 3:39:45 AM #102:	Mead posted... nope Fair enough, it is prison slang after all. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956633524] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>nope</quote>Fair enough, it is prison slang after all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wydrah 07/31/21 3:46:56 AM #103:	Reigning_King posted... Fair enough, it is prison slang after all. https://cotsforvets.org/ --- PotD Paradiso www.potdparadiso.net <cite>wydrah posted [p:956633598] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>Fair enough, it is prison slang after all.</quote>https://cotsforvets.org/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/31/21 3:59:05 AM #104:	...Yeah? I mean yeah technically I don't have a permanent place to stay myself but I'm not a veteran and I have enough money saved up to just stay in motels and stuff. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956633716] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>...Yeah? I mean yeah technically I don't have a permanent place to stay myself but I'm not a veteran and I have enough money saved up to just stay in motels and stuff. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wydrah 07/31/21 4:00:56 AM #105:	I was just curious was your take on that was. You said it's prison slang, but this casts some doubt on that for me. Also, I find it strange that it would be prison slang and not jail slang? I don't think people really go to prison for the short term as an "alternative" to living on the streets, which I think is what you were implying? Just trying to figure out what you meant. --- PotD Paradiso www.potdparadiso.net <cite>wydrah posted [p:956633738] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>I was just curious was your take on that was. You said it's prison slang, but this casts some doubt on that for me. Also, I find it strange that it would be prison slang and not jail slang? I don't think people really go to prison for the short term as an "alternative" to living on the streets, which I think is what you were implying? Just trying to figure out what you meant. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/31/21 4:02:39 AM #106:	Well you got the meaning I was trying to get across orginally and that's the main thing. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956633751] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Well you got the meaning I was trying to get across orginally and that's the main thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wydrah 07/31/21 4:05:09 AM #107:	aight coo --- PotD Paradiso www.potdparadiso.net <cite>wydrah posted [p:956633776] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>aight coo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 07/31/21 4:05:16 AM #108:	Reigning_King posted... Have you ever heard the expression "three hots and a cot"? Wait, it doesn't mean 3 hot chicks join you on a cot for some super sexy fun time? Damn!! --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Friends don't make their friends die Hanz. Psychopathic friends do. <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:956633777] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>Have you ever heard the expression "three hots and a cot"?</quote> Wait, it doesn't mean 3 hot chicks join you on a cot for some super sexy fun time? Damn!! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gaawa_chan 07/31/21 4:08:19 AM #109:	Reigning_King posted... For one there is no way to verify the account as described and even if it was completely true it is merely anecdotal and not at all the norm. You demanded people meet standards you don't hold yourself to... and of course the moment someone meets your standards, this is your best counter? The account is true, and it's not self-congratulatory in the slightest; my parents offered that shelter to those people, not me. Homelessness is far less common in the place I currently live, and the place I work at has guest rooms that people can use in case of emergencies, so on the occasion that someone does need temporary housing, they are usually given shelter there (it's much nicer than staying at my current residence anyway, lol). My point in telling that story was not to brag, but to illustrate that nothing negative came about sheltering those people. You just assume that homeless people are somehow inherently dangerous or expensive to shelter, that it's a massive imposition to help keep a person off the streets, but that's just one more way that people demonize the homeless in order to justify inaction; it's not true. If you want more details, I can elaborate. I admit my memory of my years living there is a bit hazy; I experienced some trauma as a child (not relevant to the topic at hand) and deliberately avoided thinking about those years for a long time. With the exception of the girl mentioned earlier, most of the underage people who stayed with us were either from our town or the town about 30 minutes away. My older sisters were highly social and I think they were the ones who made it clear to them that they could come to us if they needed to. Those towns still have a lot of problems... by all accounts, it's worse than ever over there. A real shame. a denial of common sense and reality by doing things like implying it isn't the norm to be selfish or that something like homelessness can just be solved the same way one would a math problem. A denial of common sense and reality, how exactly? It seems to me like turning a blind eye to people in need out of selfishness is more a denial of reality than anything you're suggesting. No, it isn't the norm to be selfish. Humans are by their very nature social animals that, with few exceptions, have emotions, expressions, and behaviors that facilitate empathy and mutual aid. You just claim that that it is the norm to be selfish in order to justify your own selfishness; now THAT is the logic of a child, one who was apparently taught to reject their social nature. Ironic that you get it all so backwards. Offering people shelter is not naive or childish... it isn't even selfless; there is mutual benefit to it, as I indicated. There are pragmatic and logical reasons to want to prevent people from ending up on the streets, both on a personal level and on one as a member of a society. You don't get to piss and moan about the existence of homeless people, then fail to do anything to reduce homelessness, and then scoff at people who are willing to do what you aren't just because it hurts your ego. Either choose to be a better person, or at the very least have the decency to stay out of the way of people who are actually willing to do the work to make the world a better place. No serious person peddles Atlas Shrugged nonsense in the 21st century; her poorly thought-out tripe was outdated before it was even put to paper. I wouldn't be surprised if that poster was a wannabe communist for similar ideological reasons, a chaser of pipe dreams that is to say. I think it says a lot about you that you think that low-effort charity+advocacy for fixing systemic problems = communist pipe dreamer. If homelessness is a problem that cannot be fixed, then why is it that there are countries that have, for all intents and purposes, eliminated homelessness? You make some pretty strong statements about the nature of humanity, the world, etc... but honestly, just a few google searches will show people that you're full of it. Homelessness is something that can be all but eliminated; we know this because places have actually done it. Society only stands to gain by doing so, and only stands to lose by not doing so; putting aside all ethical concerns, we waste time, money, and effort shitting all over these people (cops will often destroy or steal their property, for example; it's a monumental waste) when we could instead prevent their falling of the grid to begin with and keep them contributing to society. There is no reason to oppose replicating efforts made in other nations to eliminate homelessness here... well, not unless you're in the housing industry, I suppose. --- Hi <cite>Gaawa_chan posted [p:956633809] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>For one there is no way to verify the account as described and even if it was completely true it is merely anecdotal and not at all the norm.</quote>You demanded people meet standards you don't hold yourself to... and of course the moment someone meets your standards, this is your best counter? The account is true, and it's not self-congratulatory in the slightest; my parents offered that shelter to those people, not me. Homelessness is far less common in the place I currently live, and the place I work at has guest rooms that people can use in case of emergencies, so on the occasion that someone does need temporary housing, they are usually given shelter there (it's much nicer than staying at my current residence anyway, lol). My point in telling that story was not to brag, but to illustrate that nothing negative came about sheltering those people. You just assume that homeless people are somehow inherently dangerous or expensive to shelter, that it's a massive imposition to help keep a person off the streets, but that's just one more way that people demonize the homeless in order to justify inaction; it's not true. If you want more details, I can elaborate. I admit my memory of my years living there is a bit hazy; I experienced some trauma as a child (not relevant to the topic at hand) and deliberately avoided thinking about those years for a long time. With the exception of the girl mentioned earlier, most of the underage people who stayed with us were either from our town or the town about 30 minutes away. My older sisters were highly social and I think they were the ones who made it clear to them that they could come to us if they needed to. Those towns still have a lot of problems... by all accounts, it's worse than ever over there. A real shame. <quote>a denial of common sense and reality by doing things like implying it isn't the norm to be selfish or that something like homelessness can just be solved the same way one would a math problem.</quote>A denial of common sense and reality, how exactly? It seems to me like turning a blind eye to people in need out of selfishness is more a denial of reality than anything you're suggesting. No, it isn't the norm to be selfish. Humans are by their very nature social animals that, with few exceptions, have emotions, expressions, and behaviors that facilitate empathy and mutual aid. You just claim that that it is the norm to be selfish in order to justify your own selfishness; now THAT is the logic of a child, one who was apparently taught to reject their social nature. Ironic that you get it all so backwards. Offering people shelter is not naive or childish... it isn't even selfless; there is mutual benefit to it, as I indicated. There are pragmatic and logical reasons to want to prevent people from ending up on the streets, both on a personal level and on one as a member of a society. You don't get to piss and moan about the existence of homeless people, then fail to do anything to reduce homelessness, and then scoff at people who are willing to do what you aren't just because it hurts your ego. Either choose to be a better person, or at the very least have the decency to stay out of the way of people who are actually willing to do the work to make the world a better place. No serious person peddles Atlas Shrugged nonsense in the 21st century; her poorly thought-out tripe was outdated before it was even put to paper. <quote>I wouldn't be surprised if that poster was a wannabe communist for similar ideological reasons, a chaser of pipe dreams that is to say.</quote>I think it says a lot about you that you think that low-effort charity+advocacy for fixing systemic problems = communist pipe dreamer. If homelessness is a problem that cannot be fixed, then why is it that there are countries that have, for all intents and purposes, eliminated homelessness? You make some pretty strong statements about the nature of humanity, the world, etc... but honestly, just a few google searches will show people that you're full of it. Homelessness is something that can be all but eliminated; we know this because places have actually done it. Society only stands to gain by doing so, and only stands to lose by not doing so; putting aside all ethical concerns, we waste time, money, and effort shitting all over these people (cops will often destroy or steal their property, for example; it's a monumental waste) when we could instead prevent their falling of the grid to begin with and keep them contributing to society. There is no reason to oppose replicating efforts made in other nations to eliminate homelessness here... well, not unless you're in the housing industry, I suppose. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 07/31/21 5:41:18 AM #110:	adjl posted... This is unambiguously a matter of making it illegal for homeless people to dwell within LA city limits. LA is dense, it's hard to not be a nuisance. And? They're literally homeless, there's nothing stopping them getting out of the way. adjl posted... They do need to be on display, though. They don't have anything in which to hide so they aren't displayed (or if they do have a tent or something, that's treated the same way as if they were unsheltered). That's what makes them homeless. The fact that people would rather pretend they don't exist doesn't change that need. You can very easily get out of sight, it's super easy, I've done it. There's a lot of homeless people and most don't WANT to be seen and be a nuisance. They aren't hurt by this, it forces beggars to go be useful instead of shitting on the street. adjl posted... This is a problem that needs systemic solutions Yup, and in the mean time it doesn't need to make everybody else's life worse. mcj882000 posted... Frankly it's appalling how cities treat homeless populations; if governments treated any ethnic, sexual or religious group the way they generally treat the homeless, human rights groups would call it an ethnic cleansing. It's as though it's fine to judge people for what they do, not who they are. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:956634628] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>This is unambiguously a matter of making it illegal for homeless people to dwell within LA city limits.</quote> LA is dense, it's hard to not be a nuisance. And? They're literally homeless, there's nothing stopping them getting out of the way. adjl posted...</cite> <quote>They do need to be on display, though. They don't have anything in which to hide so they aren't displayed (or if they do have a tent or something, that's treated the same way as if they were unsheltered). That's what makes them homeless. The fact that people would rather pretend they don't exist doesn't change that need.</quote> You can very easily get out of sight, it's super easy, I've done it. There's a lot of homeless people and most don't WANT to be seen and be a nuisance. They aren't hurt by this, it forces beggars to go be useful instead of shitting on the street. adjl posted...</cite> <quote>This is a problem that needs systemic solutions</quote> Yup, and in the mean time it doesn't need to make everybody else's life worse. mcj882000 posted...</cite> <quote>Frankly it's appalling how cities treat homeless populations; if governments treated any ethnic, sexual or religious group the way they generally treat the homeless, human rights groups would call it an ethnic cleansing. </quote> It's as though it's fine to judge people for what they do, not who they are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gaawa_chan 07/31/21 6:53:25 AM #111:	Kyuubi4269 posted... It's as though it's fine to judge people for what they do, not who they are. Homelessness is not something that someone does. Being a victim of domestic violence or being kicked out of your home by your family is not a choice. Being laid off is not a choice. Being mentally ill is not a choice. Housing prices going up while wages stagnate is not a choice. Economic crashes are not a choice. Of course you think that everyone who is homeless just refuses to work or some nonsense like that. Most of the homeless people I have known DO work, including underage homeless people. You're just relying on stereotypes to do your arguing for you. In recent years, the homeless people I've met? They were my coworkers, usually either using the temporary rooms our workplace has or living out of their cars. Most of them were victims of domestic violence, though one had struggled with homelessness ever since his family had kicked him out at age 12. --- Hi <cite>Gaawa_chan posted [p:956635301] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>It's as though it's fine to judge people for what they do, not who they are.</quote>Homelessness is not something that someone does. Being a victim of domestic violence or being kicked out of your home by your family is not a choice. Being laid off is not a choice. Being mentally ill is not a choice. Housing prices going up while wages stagnate is not a choice. Economic crashes are not a choice. Of course you think that everyone who is homeless just refuses to work or some nonsense like that. Most of the homeless people I have known DO work, including underage homeless people. You're just relying on stereotypes to do your arguing for you. In recent years, the homeless people I've met? They were my coworkers, usually either using the temporary rooms our workplace has or living out of their cars. Most of them were victims of domestic violence, though one had struggled with homelessness ever since his family had kicked him out at age 12. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/31/21 6:59:40 AM #112:	Gaawa_chan posted... Homelessness is not something that someone does. Being a victim of domestic violence or being kicked out of your home by your family is not a choice. Being laid off is not a choice. Being mentally ill is not a choice. Housing prices going up while wages stagnate is not a choice. Economic crashes are not a choice. Of course you think that everyone who is homeless just refuses to work or some nonsense like that. Most of the homeless people I have known DO work, including underage homeless people. You're just relying on stereotypes to do your arguing for you. You're completely missing the point of that post btw. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956635379] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Gaawa_chan posted... </cite> <quote>Homelessness is not something that someone does. Being a victim of domestic violence or being kicked out of your home by your family is not a choice. Being laid off is not a choice. Being mentally ill is not a choice. Housing prices going up while wages stagnate is not a choice. Economic crashes are not a choice. Of course you think that everyone who is homeless just refuses to work or some nonsense like that. Most of the homeless people I have known DO work, including underage homeless people. You're just relying on stereotypes to do your arguing for you.</quote>You're completely missing the point of that post btw. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 07/31/21 7:00:31 AM #113:	it's also a choice not to camp on someones property, to not attack people, or throw shit --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:956635389] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>it's also a choice not to camp on someones property, to not attack people, or throw shit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gaawa_chan 07/31/21 7:14:44 AM #114:	Reigning_King posted... You're completely missing the point of that post btw. You really are incapable of responding to a single thing people actually say, aren't you? --- Hi <cite>Gaawa_chan posted [p:956635543] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>You're completely missing the point of that post btw.</quote>You really are incapable of responding to a single thing people actually say, aren't you? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/31/21 7:17:10 AM #115:	Gaawa_chan posted... You really are incapable of responding to a single thing people actually say, aren't you? I'm not sure you should be saying something like that when that whole post I quoted was you going after a strawman that nobody brought up. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956635573] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Gaawa_chan posted... </cite> <quote>You really are incapable of responding to a single thing people actually say, aren't you?</quote>I'm not sure you should be saying something like that when that whole post I quoted was you going after a strawman that nobody brought up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 07/31/21 7:44:20 AM #116:	Gaawa_chan posted... Homelessness is not something that someone does. Being a victim of domestic violence or being kicked out of your home by your family is not a choice. Being laid off is not a choice. Being mentally ill is not a choice. Housing prices going up while wages stagnate is not a choice. Economic crashes are not a choice. Yup, and that's why this is completely separate to that. You can be homeless and not an active burden on everybody you meet, most are this way. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:956635891] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Gaawa_chan posted...</cite> <quote>Homelessness is not something that someone does. Being a victim of domestic violence or being kicked out of your home by your family is not a choice. Being laid off is not a choice. Being mentally ill is not a choice. Housing prices going up while wages stagnate is not a choice. Economic crashes are not a choice.</quote> Yup, and that's why this is completely separate to that. You can be homeless and not an active burden on everybody you meet, most are this way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EvilMegas 07/31/21 8:02:13 AM #117:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Yup, and that's why this is completely separate to that. You can be homeless and not an active burden on everybody you meet, most are this way. Literally describes your presence on this board. --- The first person to be fully vaccinated on GameFaQs. Boobs are life, ass is hometown Kenichiro Takaki. <cite>EvilMegas posted [p:956636137] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>Yup, and that's why this is completely separate to that. You can be homeless and not an active burden on everybody you meet, most are this way.</quote> Literally describes your presence on this board. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 07/31/21 10:10:44 AM #118:	I wonder what's been going on with @EvilMegas lately. He's been rather mean. --- My theme song - https://youtu.be/uYjM-BuE3Cs <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:956638170] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>I wonder what's been going on with @EvilMegas lately. He's been rather mean. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 07/31/21 10:26:15 AM #119:	JixHedgehog posted... https://www.foxnews.com/us/los-angeles-mayors-home-vandalized-over-new-homeless-ordinance Welp, that went well The ** happened to LA.. it was absolutely beautiful a decade ago. We love to see it Vandalize the rest of city councils homes, too. --- https://imgur.com/4ihiyS2 "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:956638490] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>JixHedgehog posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.foxnews.com/us/los-angeles-mayors-home-vandalized-over-new-homeless-ordinance Welp, that went well The ** happened to LA.. it was absolutely beautiful a decade ago.</quote> We love to see it Vandalize the rest of city councils homes, too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wydrah 07/31/21 11:22:39 AM #120:	Jen0125 posted... We love to see it Vandalize the rest of city councils homes, too. nice --- PotD Paradiso www.potdparadiso.net <cite>wydrah posted [p:956639780] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>We love to see it Vandalize the rest of city councils homes, too.</quote>nice </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/31/21 12:34:40 PM #121:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Yup, and in the mean time it doesn't need to make everybody else's life worse. How does seeing a homeless person make the life of anyone that isn't a complete psychopath worse? "Oh no, I don't like looking at that person, I'd better actively work to profoundly disrupt their miserable existence so I don't have to." That's how goddamn serial killers think. We can all do better than that. Moreover, yes, it does need to make everybody's life "worse" in the mean time. If it doesn't, there's never going to be any drive to fix the issue. People don't care about problems they don't see, and when a problem requires cohesive political will to solve, that means they're never going to vote for anyone that wants to solve the problem (and in the case of homelessness, will often actively vote against real solutions because their hatred is tolerated and validated by policies that cater to NIMBYs). That means it never gets solved. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956641516] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>Yup, and in the mean time it doesn't need to make everybody else's life worse.</quote> How does seeing a homeless person make the life of anyone that isn't a complete psychopath worse? "Oh no, I don't like looking at that person, I'd better actively work to profoundly disrupt their miserable existence so I don't have to." That's how goddamn serial killers think. We can all do better than that. Moreover, yes, it does need to make everybody's life "worse" in the mean time. If it doesn't, there's never going to be any drive to fix the issue. People don't care about problems they don't see, and when a problem requires cohesive political will to solve, that means they're never going to vote for anyone that wants to solve the problem (and in the case of homelessness, will often actively vote against real solutions because their hatred is tolerated and validated by policies that cater to NIMBYs). That means it never gets solved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 07/31/21 1:07:40 PM #122:	People who don't donate or otherwise offer kindness and compassion to others are always so defiant that no one else does it either. It's a wonder. --- https://imgur.com/4ihiyS2 "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:956642355] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>People who don't donate or otherwise offer kindness and compassion to others are always so defiant that no one else does it either. It's a wonder. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wydrah 07/31/21 1:20:58 PM #123:	Jen0125 posted... People who don't donate or otherwise offer kindness and compassion to others are always so defiant that no one else does it either. It's a wonder. because, to them, the "fuck you, i got mine" mentality is the default in america ...........well. --- PotD Paradiso www.potdparadiso.net <cite>wydrah posted [p:956642645] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Jen0125 posted... </cite> <quote>People who don't donate or otherwise offer kindness and compassion to others are always so defiant that no one else does it either. It's a wonder.</quote>because, to them, the "fuck you, i got mine" mentality is the default in america ...........well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirtBasedSoap 07/31/21 1:44:29 PM #124:	Gaawa_chan posted... Humans are by their very nature social animals hes incapable of understanding or relating to this --- weiners and farts??? idk lol <cite>DirtBasedSoap posted [p:956643275] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Gaawa_chan posted... </cite> <quote>Humans are by their very nature social animals</quote>hes incapable of understanding or relating to this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/31/21 1:55:24 PM #125:	Gaawa_chan posted... Society only stands to gain by doing so, and only stands to lose by not doing so; putting aside all ethical concerns, we waste time, money, and effort s*ting all over these people (cops will often destroy or steal their property, for example; it's a monumental waste) when we could instead prevent their falling of the grid to begin with and keep them contributing to society. This is the thing that really gets me about the whole issue. If it were actually a money thing, I could kind of understand it. Placing money above human lives and well-being like that would still be a pretty terrible thing to do, but it is a potential justification, and somebody who values lower taxes over humanitarian causes would be logically consistent to oppose it. But it's not a money thing. Housing people is cheaper than leaving them homeless, thanks to the policing a medical costs associated with homelessness. Housing-first initiatives have the potential to not only dramatically improve the lives of countless homeless people and make it much easier for them to get back on their feet, but also save money. People just fight that because they're so attached to the idea that housing is something people need to "deserve" in order to have that they can't even begin to entertain the idea that giving it away might actually be the most financially sensible option. People are literally fighting to spend extra money just to spite humanitarianism and make a bunch of strangers more miserable for no reason. That's just stupid, even without getting into questions of "evil." --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956643574] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Gaawa_chan posted... </cite> <quote>Society only stands to gain by doing so, and only stands to lose by not doing so; putting aside all ethical concerns, we waste time, money, and effort s*ting all over these people (cops will often destroy or steal their property, for example; it's a monumental waste) when we could instead prevent their falling of the grid to begin with and keep them contributing to society.</quote> This is the thing that really gets me about the whole issue. If it were actually a money thing, I could kind of understand it. Placing money above human lives and well-being like that would still be a pretty terrible thing to do, but it is a potential justification, and somebody who values lower taxes over humanitarian causes would be logically consistent to oppose it. But it's not a money thing. Housing people is cheaper than leaving them homeless, thanks to the policing a medical costs associated with homelessness. Housing-first initiatives have the potential to not only dramatically improve the lives of countless homeless people and make it much easier for them to get back on their feet, but also save money. People just fight that because they're so attached to the idea that housing is something people need to "deserve" in order to have that they can't even begin to entertain the idea that giving it away might actually be the most financially sensible option. People are literally fighting to spend extra money just to spite humanitarianism and make a bunch of strangers more miserable for no reason. That's just stupid, even without getting into questions of "evil." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 07/31/21 2:33:02 PM #126:	SunWuKung420 posted... I wonder what's been going on with @EvilMegas lately. He's been rather mean. The fact that you only ever come to the defense of the worst posters on this board is rather telling --- In my opinion, all slavery is wrong, even the really fancy kind - Mead <cite>Zareth posted [p:956644656] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted... </cite> <quote>I wonder what's been going on with @EvilMegas lately. He's been rather mean.</quote>The fact that you only ever come to the defense of the worst posters on this board is rather telling </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Entity13 07/31/21 2:34:31 PM #127:	PotD Presents: Better Call Sun (A poorly written parody) --- http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/EntityXIII/entityfn7.jpg <cite>Entity13 posted [p:956644696] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>PotD Presents: Better Call Sun (A poorly written parody) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 07/31/21 9:19:14 PM #128:	EvilMegas posted... Literally describes your presence on this board. Lol. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:956655462] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>EvilMegas posted... </cite> <quote>Literally describes your presence on this board.</quote>Lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 07/31/21 9:20:47 PM #129:	Zareth posted... The fact that you only ever come to the defense of the worst posters on this board is rather telling Exactly why I reminded everyone of his trolling. https://ibb.co/LzHY55z https://ibb.co/ww2Xm2L --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:956655508] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Zareth posted... </cite> <quote>The fact that you only ever come to the defense of the worst posters on this board is rather telling</quote>Exactly why I reminded everyone of his trolling. https://ibb.co/LzHY55z https://ibb.co/ww2Xm2L </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboXgp89 07/31/21 11:23:05 PM #130:	we need to make it illegal for politicians to allow homeless people to exist we need to throw them and the real estate people in jail --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet <cite>RoboXgp89 posted [p:956658692] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>we need to make it illegal for politicians to allow homeless people to exist we need to throw them and the real estate people in jail </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 07/31/21 11:32:19 PM #131:	FrndNhbrHdCEman posted... Exactly why I reminded everyone of his trolling. https://ibb.co/LzHY55z https://ibb.co/ww2Xm2L Perfect meme placement on my part --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:956658926] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted... </cite> <quote>Exactly why I reminded everyone of his trolling. https://ibb.co/LzHY55z https://ibb.co/ww2Xm2L</quote>Perfect meme placement on my part </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arcturusisnow 07/31/21 11:45:02 PM #132:	Zeus posted... That is a fix, the same as curbing other criminal conduct. Why should it be any different than the rest of the criminal justice system? >_> Wow, Zeus completely not understanding the topic. What a shocker. <cite>Arcturusisnow posted [p:956659255] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>That is a fix, the same as curbing other criminal conduct. Why should it be any different than the rest of the criminal justice system? >_></quote>Wow, Zeus completely not understanding the topic. What a shocker. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 07/31/21 11:52:49 PM #133:	Ben Shapiro: Make crime illegal --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:956659436] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Ben Shapiro: Make crime illegal </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 07/31/21 11:56:30 PM #134:	adjl posted... How does seeing a homeless person make the life of anyone that isn't a complete psychopath worse? Only a literal psychopath would see literal human feces on the pavement outside their house and go "this is fine". Remember this is LA, the place is completely fucked this way. adjl posted... Moreover, yes, it does need to make everybody's life "worse" in the mean time. If it doesn't, there's never going to be any drive to fix the issue. Do you seriously think people think the only issue with homelessness is aesthetic? Everybody knows the economic burden, and fears the existing systems that make people homeless. There's absolutely tonnes of invisible drive to fix it. adjl posted... People just fight that because they're so attached to the idea that housing is something people need to "deserve" in order to have that they can't even begin to entertain the idea that giving it away might actually be the most financially sensible option. It's real estate investors and homeowners that resist it. Nobody wants to scrap their whole life to own their first home for someone else to get it for free, and investors don't want their investment to suddenly tank in value. What's better for the nation as a whole hurts them personally, and very substantially. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:956659519] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>How does seeing a homeless person make the life of anyone that isn't a complete psychopath worse?</quote> Only a literal psychopath would see literal human feces on the pavement outside their house and go "this is fine". Remember this is LA, the place is completely fucked this way. adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Moreover, yes, it does need to make everybody's life "worse" in the mean time. If it doesn't, there's never going to be any drive to fix the issue. </quote> Do you seriously think people think the only issue with homelessness is aesthetic? Everybody knows the economic burden, and fears the existing systems that make people homeless. There's absolutely tonnes of invisible drive to fix it. adjl posted...</cite> <quote>People just fight that because they're so attached to the idea that housing is something people need to "deserve" in order to have that they can't even begin to entertain the idea that giving it away might actually be the most financially sensible option. </quote> It's real estate investors and homeowners that resist it. Nobody wants to scrap their whole life to own their first home for someone else to get it for free, and investors don't want their investment to suddenly tank in value. What's better for the nation as a whole hurts them personally, and very substantially.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 07/31/21 11:58:20 PM #135:	Put them under house arrest. Then you need to give them a house so they can be put under house arrest. Problem solved. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:956659570] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Put them under house arrest. Then you need to give them a house so they can be put under house arrest. Problem solved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirtBasedSoap 07/31/21 11:59:07 PM #136:	Why are conservatives constantly talking about poop on the streets? Ive lived in LA my entire life and have never seen human shit on the sidewalk lmao big problem with people not picking up dogshit in some neighborhoods tho --- weiners and farts??? idk lol <cite>DirtBasedSoap posted [p:956659591] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Why are conservatives constantly talking about poop on the streets? Ive lived in LA my entire life and have never seen human shit on the sidewalk lmao big problem with people not picking up dogshit in some neighborhoods tho </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/01/21 11:59:06 AM #137:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Only a literal psychopath would see literal human feces on the pavement outside their house and go "this is fine". Remember this is LA, the place is completely f*ed this way. Protip: Pooping on the sidewalk is already illegal. Any new laws introduced under the pretense of addressing poop on the sidewalk are lying to you. Also, nobody is saying "this is fine." People are just saying "fining homeless people doesn't solve anything, so stop it." Kyuubi4269 posted... Do you seriously think people think the only issue with homelessness is aesthetic? Everybody knows the economic burden, and fears the existing systems that make people homeless. There's absolutely tonnes of invisible drive to fix it. That's the thing: There really isn't. Most people fear homelessness to some extent or another, but so long as it never actually happens to them, they tend to buy into the "if you work hard you'll never have to worry about it" narrative, as well as the "they're all violent druggies that will mug you and rape your dog if left to their own devices" one that keeps them fearful enough to be in favour of ramping up policing initiatives instead of solving the root problems. Pretty much everyone will say "yeah, it'd be nice to have no more homeless people" if asked about it, but in practice, most people don't make a distinction between "there are no more homeless people" and "I don't see any homeless people," nor do they put any thought into what the actual economic burden is and how much any proposed solutions are going to cost. Kyuubi4269 posted... It's real estate investors and homeowners that resist it. Nobody wants to scrap their whole life to own their first home for someone else to get it for free, and investors don't want their investment to suddenly tank in value. What's better for the nation as a whole hurts them personally, and very substantially. Which is inherently silly. Your first house doesn't lose any value because a homeless person got a crappy bachelor apartment for free. Some people hear "housing first" and imagine a free 3-bedroom house with a white picket fence and 1-acre yard, but the reality is that it's pretty barebones. You're generally not going to be looking at anything more than a one-room apartment with space for a bed, a rudimentary kitchen, and a bathroom. It's enough to qualify as permanent shelter and some semblance of comfort and decency, but there's still ample room for improvement. Frankly, anyone that loses the ability to enjoy what they have because somebody else was given something significantly inferior needs to get over themselves. The only people that actually stand to lose anything are the slumlords that are currently trying to market apartments that are below even those standards at ridiculously gouged prices, and I'm not going to lose a nanosecond of sleep over people like that going bankrupt. Even then, landlords that own lower-end properties like this (that do at least meet code) will still be getting paid rent for them, since the city/state (whichever level the legislation happens at) will be paying for it. It is also definitely more than just people who stand to lose money over the issue that resist it. There are countless stories out there of apartment buildings that include government-mandated affordable units, but have a separate entrance and lobby for those units because the richer tenants don't want to have to look at poor people. There is a widespread desire to pretend homelessness doesn't exist, one which inspires no shortage of resentment and on paper, policing them seems like a reasonable way to "take out the trash," as it were. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956670614] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>Only a literal psychopath would see literal human feces on the pavement outside their house and go "this is fine". Remember this is LA, the place is completely f*ed this way.</quote> Protip: Pooping on the sidewalk is already illegal. Any new laws introduced under the pretense of addressing poop on the sidewalk are lying to you. Also, nobody is saying "this is fine." People are just saying "fining homeless people doesn't solve anything, so stop it." Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>Do you seriously think people think the only issue with homelessness is aesthetic? Everybody knows the economic burden, and fears the existing systems that make people homeless. There's absolutely tonnes of invisible drive to fix it.</quote> That's the thing: There really isn't. Most people fear homelessness to some extent or another, but so long as it never actually happens to them, they tend to buy into the "if you work hard you'll never have to worry about it" narrative, as well as the "they're all violent druggies that will mug you and rape your dog if left to their own devices" one that keeps them fearful enough to be in favour of ramping up policing initiatives instead of solving the root problems. Pretty much everyone will say "yeah, it'd be nice to have no more homeless people" if asked about it, but in practice, most people don't make a distinction between "there are no more homeless people" and "I don't see any homeless people," nor do they put any thought into what the actual economic burden is and how much any proposed solutions are going to cost. Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>It's real estate investors and homeowners that resist it. Nobody wants to scrap their whole life to own their first home for someone else to get it for free, and investors don't want their investment to suddenly tank in value. What's better for the nation as a whole hurts them personally, and very substantially.</quote> Which is inherently silly. Your first house doesn't lose any value because a homeless person got a crappy bachelor apartment for free. Some people hear "housing first" and imagine a free 3-bedroom house with a white picket fence and 1-acre yard, but the reality is that it's pretty barebones. You're generally not going to be looking at anything more than a one-room apartment with space for a bed, a rudimentary kitchen, and a bathroom. It's enough to qualify as permanent shelter and some semblance of comfort and decency, but there's still ample room for improvement. Frankly, anyone that loses the ability to enjoy what they have because somebody else was given something significantly inferior needs to get over themselves. The only people that actually stand to lose anything are the slumlords that are currently trying to market apartments that are below even those standards at ridiculously gouged prices, and I'm not going to lose a nanosecond of sleep over people like that going bankrupt. Even then, landlords that own lower-end properties like this (that do at least meet code) will still be getting paid rent for them, since the city/state (whichever level the legislation happens at) will be paying for it. It is also definitely more than just people who stand to lose money over the issue that resist it. There are countless stories out there of apartment buildings that include government-mandated affordable units, but have a separate entrance and lobby for those units because the richer tenants don't want to have to look at poor people. There is a widespread desire to pretend homelessness doesn't exist, one which inspires no shortage of resentment and on paper, policing them seems like a reasonable way to "take out the trash," as it were. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 08/01/21 3:02:26 PM #138:	adjl posted... Protip: Pooping on the sidewalk is already illegal. Any new laws introduced under the pretense of addressing poop on the sidewalk are lying to you. There's a big difference between reactive and preventative measures. Banning the shitting doesn't stop them do it, just gets a penalty, banning setting up so you have to shit on the street intercepts the person before they commit the act. Deal with problems before they arise and you won't have a problem on your hands. adjl posted... they tend to buy into the "if you work hard you'll never have to worry about it" narrative Nobody does. Despite all the bluff, right-wingers are more paranoid of these risks, they work hard to mitigate the risk by their own hand to ensure their freedom, rather than hoping the government decides they're worthy of protection. adjl posted... Pretty much everyone will say "yeah, it'd be nice to have no more homeless people" if asked about it, but in practice, most people don't make a distinction between "there are no more homeless people" and "I don't see any homeless people," nor do they put any thought into what the actual economic burden is and how much any proposed solutions are going to cost. Says just you. Everybody makes the distinction, but some people are more comminity focused than others so while they do care about homelessness, they by far care more about their own family's wellbeing. A notable distinction of right over left is willingness to sacrifice greater society for their own family. Whenever a proposal sacrifices their family's wellbeing for the greater society, the right is always going to be more resistant, not to be callous, but from prioritising their immediate group. adjl posted... Your first house doesn't lose any value because a homeless person got a crappy bachelor apartment for free. They spent personal fortune on something not costing such fortune, they lost that value. adjl posted... You're generally not going to be looking at anything more than a one-room apartment with space for a bed, a rudimentary kitchen, and a bathroom. It's enough to qualify as permanent shelter and some semblance of comfort and decency, but there's still ample room for improvement. Lots of people work hard and take on great debt to achieve that rudimentary home, of course they're going to feel sleighted. adjl posted... The only people that actually stand to lose anything are the slumlords Literally all homeowners lose, the price they paid is made vastly over what it's now worth. I know you see all people with personal possessions as thieves for not living the hippy commune way, but plenty of people are just working hard to secure investments that will make sure their families won't ever have to see hardship. Not every person better off than you is an evil, abusive slumlord. adjl posted... There are countless stories out there of apartment buildings that include government-mandated affordable units, but have a separate entrance and lobby for those units because the richer tenants don't want to have to look at poor people. They want to secure their investment, ensure there's clear distinction to potential buyers that their property has value and isn't a government shithole. Nobody wants negative equity on their house because of perception. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:956675333] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Protip: Pooping on the sidewalk is already illegal. Any new laws introduced under the pretense of addressing poop on the sidewalk are lying to you.</quote> There's a big difference between reactive and preventative measures. Banning the shitting doesn't stop them do it, just gets a penalty, banning setting up so you have to shit on the street intercepts the person before they commit the act. Deal with problems before they arise and you won't have a problem on your hands. adjl posted...</cite> <quote>they tend to buy into the "if you work hard you'll never have to worry about it" narrative</quote> Nobody does. Despite all the bluff, right-wingers are more paranoid of these risks, they work hard to mitigate the risk by their own hand to ensure their freedom, rather than hoping the government decides they're worthy of protection. adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Pretty much everyone will say "yeah, it'd be nice to have no more homeless people" if asked about it, but in practice, most people don't make a distinction between "there are no more homeless people" and "I don't see any homeless people," nor do they put any thought into what the actual economic burden is and how much any proposed solutions are going to cost.</quote> Says just you. Everybody makes the distinction, but some people are more comminity focused than others so while they do care about homelessness, they by far care more about their own family's wellbeing. A notable distinction of right over left is willingness to sacrifice greater society for their own family. Whenever a proposal sacrifices their family's wellbeing for the greater society, the right is always going to be more resistant, not to be callous, but from prioritising their immediate group. adjl posted...</cite> <quote> Your first house doesn't lose any value because a homeless person got a crappy bachelor apartment for free. </quote> They spent personal fortune on something not costing such fortune, they lost that value. adjl posted...</cite> <quote> You're generally not going to be looking at anything more than a one-room apartment with space for a bed, a rudimentary kitchen, and a bathroom. It's enough to qualify as permanent shelter and some semblance of comfort and decency, but there's still ample room for improvement.</quote> Lots of people work hard and take on great debt to achieve that rudimentary home, of course they're going to feel sleighted. adjl posted...</cite> <quote> The only people that actually stand to lose anything are the slumlords</quote> Literally all homeowners lose, the price they paid is made vastly over what it's now worth. I know you see all people with personal possessions as thieves for not living the hippy commune way, but plenty of people are just working hard to secure investments that will make sure their families won't ever have to see hardship. Not every person better off than you is an evil, abusive slumlord. adjl posted...</cite> <quote> There are countless stories out there of apartment buildings that include government-mandated affordable units, but have a separate entrance and lobby for those units because the richer tenants don't want to have to look at poor people. </quote> They want to secure their investment, ensure there's clear distinction to potential buyers that their property has value and isn't a government shithole. Nobody wants negative equity on their house because of perception.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/01/21 5:06:52 PM #139:	Kyuubi4269 posted... There's a big difference between reactive and preventative measures. Banning the s*ting doesn't stop them do it, just gets a penalty, banning setting up so you have to s* on the street intercepts the person before they commit the act. Deal with problems before they arise and you won't have a problem on your hands. And in the process, harms a bunch of people who had no intention ever leaving their poop everywhere. Taken to its logical extreme, that approach would support exterminating all of humanity to ensure that nobody ever committed a murder, which is obviously stupid. Kyuubi4269 posted... Nobody does. Despite all the bluff, right-wingers are more paranoid of these risks, they work hard to mitigate the risk by their own hand to ensure their freedom, rather than hoping the government decides they're worthy of protection. Nothing about that disputes me saying that they aren't interested in pushing for systemic solutions. Kyuubi4269 posted... Says just you. Everybody makes the distinction, but some people are more comminity focused than others so while they do care about homelessness, they by far care more about their own family's wellbeing. A notable distinction of right over left is willingness to sacrifice greater society for their own family. Whenever a proposal sacrifices their family's wellbeing for the greater society, the right is always going to be more resistant, not to be callous, but from prioritising their immediate group. Nobody's being asked to sacrifice anything, though. Kyuubi4269 posted... They spent personal fortune on something not costing such fortune, they lost that value. Presumably, the house they worked toward owning is considerably better than the free apartments and therefore does not have its value affected by their existence. Kyuubi4269 posted... Lots of people work hard and take on great debt to achieve that rudimentary home, of course they're going to feel sleighted. If people are taking on great debt to afford a crappy bachelor apartment, that's part of the problem that would be fixed with a housing-first approach to fixing homelessness. People that paid for those crappy apartments on their own before being able to move on to something better may feel slighted for that, but really, that's just progress. Were they around to complain, I imagine everyone that died of dysentery on the Oregon Trail would be pretty resentful of how easy it is (pandemic aside) to hop on a plane and make the same trip in a couple hours. People getting uppity that they didn't get to take advantage of modern solutions to problems when they were dealing with problems in the past is not in any way a valid reason to stop coming up with modern solutions. That's just how you make the world better. Kyuubi4269 posted... Literally all homeowners lose, the price they paid is made vastly over what it's now worth. Again, giving barebones apartments away for free (to the tenant, that is, since the government would still be paying rent on them and therefore the landlord is going to be getting roughly the same amount of income for their property) does not affect the value of properties that are better than barebones apartments. Absolutely nobody will ever say "you know, I was going to buy this $500,000 house, but if I just become homeless I'll get a bachelor apartment for free, so I don't think I'll bother." The only properties that do potentially stand to lose value are those below the minimum standard for subsidized housing, since paying to live in a property that's worse than the free one doesn't make much sense, and the government isn't going to pay them to house somebody. Properties that are that bad, however, are that bad because of terrible landlords that are exploiting the fact that the alternative to paying for those is homelessness. They, quite frankly, can go fellate a cactus. Kyuubi4269 posted... They want to secure their investment, ensure there's clear distinction to potential buyers that their property has value and isn't a government s*hole. Nobody wants negative equity on their house because of perception. Which brings us back to the point about people not wanting to recognize that the "lower classes" exist and a large suite of policies and practices that enables and encourages such attitudes. The mere presence of people that are paying a more affordable rent (note that these are affordable units, not housing that's being given out for free, so these are tenants that are paying the asking price themselves) should not induce any sort of perception that would affect the value of the property. That it does is because of a bunch of rich snobs that really don't need to exist. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956678604] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>There's a big difference between reactive and preventative measures. Banning the sting doesn't stop them do it, just gets a penalty, banning setting up so you have to s on the street intercepts the person before they commit the act. Deal with problems before they arise and you won't have a problem on your hands.</quote> And in the process, harms a bunch of people who had no intention ever leaving their poop everywhere. Taken to its logical extreme, that approach would support exterminating all of humanity to ensure that nobody ever committed a murder, which is obviously stupid. Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>Nobody does. Despite all the bluff, right-wingers are more paranoid of these risks, they work hard to mitigate the risk by their own hand to ensure their freedom, rather than hoping the government decides they're worthy of protection.</quote> Nothing about that disputes me saying that they aren't interested in pushing for systemic solutions. Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>Says just you. Everybody makes the distinction, but some people are more comminity focused than others so while they do care about homelessness, they by far care more about their own family's wellbeing. A notable distinction of right over left is willingness to sacrifice greater society for their own family. Whenever a proposal sacrifices their family's wellbeing for the greater society, the right is always going to be more resistant, not to be callous, but from prioritising their immediate group.</quote> Nobody's being asked to sacrifice anything, though. Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>They spent personal fortune on something not costing such fortune, they lost that value.</quote> Presumably, the house they worked toward owning is considerably better than the free apartments and therefore does not have its value affected by their existence. Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>Lots of people work hard and take on great debt to achieve that rudimentary home, of course they're going to feel sleighted.</quote> If people are taking on great debt to afford a crappy bachelor apartment, that's part of the problem that would be fixed with a housing-first approach to fixing homelessness. People that paid for those crappy apartments on their own before being able to move on to something better may feel slighted for that, but really, that's just progress. Were they around to complain, I imagine everyone that died of dysentery on the Oregon Trail would be pretty resentful of how easy it is (pandemic aside) to hop on a plane and make the same trip in a couple hours. People getting uppity that they didn't get to take advantage of modern solutions to problems when they were dealing with problems in the past is not in any way a valid reason to stop coming up with modern solutions. That's just how you make the world better. Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>Literally all homeowners lose, the price they paid is made vastly over what it's now worth.</quote> Again, giving barebones apartments away for free (to the tenant, that is, since the government would still be paying rent on them and therefore the landlord is going to be getting roughly the same amount of income for their property) does not affect the value of properties that are better than barebones apartments. Absolutely nobody will ever say "you know, I was going to buy this $500,000 house, but if I just become homeless I'll get a bachelor apartment for free, so I don't think I'll bother." The only properties that do potentially stand to lose value are those below the minimum standard for subsidized housing, since paying to live in a property that's worse than the free one doesn't make much sense, and the government isn't going to pay them to house somebody. Properties that are that bad, however, are that bad because of terrible landlords that are exploiting the fact that the alternative to paying for those is homelessness. They, quite frankly, can go fellate a cactus. Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>They want to secure their investment, ensure there's clear distinction to potential buyers that their property has value and isn't a government s*hole. Nobody wants negative equity on their house because of perception.</quote> Which brings us back to the point about people not wanting to recognize that the "lower classes" exist and a large suite of policies and practices that enables and encourages such attitudes. The mere presence of people that are paying a more affordable rent (note that these are affordable units, not housing that's being given out for free, so these are tenants that are paying the asking price themselves) should not induce any sort of perception that would affect the value of the property. That it does is because of a bunch of rich snobs that really don't need to exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 08/01/21 5:14:28 PM #140:	adjl posted... Taken to its logical extreme, that approach would support exterminating all of humanity to ensure that nobody ever committed a murder, which is obviously stupid. Is it? Do you just turn a blind eye to it and shrug saying "oh well, humans have been murdering each other since the dawn of time, nothing we can do to stop it entierly"? Well actually there IS a solution to that problem and it isn't the violent ons you bring up here. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956678839] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Taken to its logical extreme, that approach would support exterminating all of humanity to ensure that nobody ever committed a murder, which is obviously stupid.</quote>Is it? Do you just turn a blind eye to it and shrug saying "oh well, humans have been murdering each other since the dawn of time, nothing we can do to stop it entierly"? Well actually there IS a solution to that problem and it isn't the violent ons you bring up here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/01/21 5:15:24 PM #141:	Has Kyuubi ever once posted on potd and not acted like just a hateful little shit can anyone recall a single time --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:956678871] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Has Kyuubi ever once posted on potd and not acted like just a hateful little shit can anyone recall a single time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/01/21 9:59:51 PM #142:	Reigning_King posted... Is it? Do you just turn a blind eye to it and shrug saying "oh well, humans have been murdering each other since the dawn of time, nothing we can do to stop it entierly"? Well actually there IS a solution to that problem and it isn't the violent ons you bring up here. Simply not existing would also solve the problem, but absolute nihilism is generally quite worthless outside of thought experiments, so it's not really worth mentioning. Mead posted... Has Kyuubi ever once posted on potd and not acted like just a hateful little shit can anyone recall a single time Nothing specific, but I've seen the occasional reasonable post from him. Usually just not in any context that involves critiquing harmful aspects of how society is operating. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956686330] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>Is it? Do you just turn a blind eye to it and shrug saying "oh well, humans have been murdering each other since the dawn of time, nothing we can do to stop it entierly"? Well actually there IS a solution to that problem and it isn't the violent ons you bring up here.</quote> Simply not existing would also solve the problem, but absolute nihilism is generally quite worthless outside of thought experiments, so it's not really worth mentioning. Mead posted... </cite> <quote>Has Kyuubi ever once posted on potd and not acted like just a hateful little shit can anyone recall a single time</quote> Nothing specific, but I've seen the occasional reasonable post from him. Usually just not in any context that involves critiquing harmful aspects of how society is operating. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfernalFive 08/01/21 11:19:40 PM #143:	I mean honestly, I don't think the homeless would have too much of a problem with it at first. Free room and board and all that --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyfabsU4xH1qzy531o1_500.jpg https://imgur.com/ggCrHk8 <cite>InfernalFive posted [p:956688280] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>I mean honestly, I don't think the homeless would have too much of a problem with it at first. Free room and board and all that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 08/01/21 11:42:52 PM #144:	What if we stopped throwing people away for victimless crimes then wings of prisons could be used for just homeless people and they are free to come and go as they please and don't interact with the criminal population We could also turn shut down mall stores into housing and then they have a job right next door. It would probably be more beneficial to mall owners seeing as they just sit empty rn --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:956688869] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>What if we stopped throwing people away for victimless crimes then wings of prisons could be used for just homeless people and they are free to come and go as they please and don't interact with the criminal population We could also turn shut down mall stores into housing and then they have a job right next door. It would probably be more beneficial to mall owners seeing as they just sit empty rn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 08/01/21 11:47:11 PM #145:	Muscles posted... What if we stopped throwing people away for victimless crimes then wings of prisons could be used for just homeless people and they are free to come and go as they please and don't interact with the criminal population what would you consider victimless? --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:956688980] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Muscles posted...</cite> <quote>What if we stopped throwing people away for victimless crimes then wings of prisons could be used for just homeless people and they are free to come and go as they please and don't interact with the criminal population </quote> what would you consider victimless?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 08/02/21 12:00:13 AM #146:	Nonviolent drug offenders shouldn't be in jail, which is a huge chunk of the prison population, we could free up 10s of thousands of beds off of just that There's also cases of other crimes where rehab would be better than prison for the person and society --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:956689288] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Nonviolent drug offenders shouldn't be in jail, which is a huge chunk of the prison population, we could free up 10s of thousands of beds off of just that There's also cases of other crimes where rehab would be better than prison for the person and society </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 08/02/21 12:50:37 AM #147:	I guess you are fine with junkies shooting up in your neighborhood and leaving their paraphernalia around then. --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:956690190] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>I guess you are fine with junkies shooting up in your neighborhood and leaving their paraphernalia around then.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 08/02/21 3:02:45 AM #148:	It's preferable to a very costly war on drugs that over fills private prisons to make them money I think we wouldn't see that though, at least not everywhere --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:956692038] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>It's preferable to a very costly war on drugs that over fills private prisons to make them money I think we wouldn't see that though, at least not everywhere </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/02/21 12:20:51 PM #149:	Krazy_Kirby posted... I guess you are fine with junkies shooting up in your neighborhood and leaving their paraphernalia around then. I'd prefer them to be shooting up in supervised injection sites with clean needles and readily-available medical help to prevent them from dying of overdoses, or better yet not shooting up at all because they've had access to rehab services and are living in sufficient comfort that they don't feel the need to rely on drugs to not be constantly miserable, but if we're ruling out those options (which most people seem to want to, for some strange reason), I would indeed rather see them shooting up on the streets instead of being thrown in jail. Obviously, I don't like seeing that, but because I'm a decent person, I don't demand that people be thrown in jail purely because I don't want to see them. Note, however, that ~37% of drug arrests are for marijuana possession. Generally speaking, people don't "shoot up" with pot, nor does pot use leave behind an appreciable amount of paraphernalia (at worst, you get some litter in the form of baggies or butts, and those are a drop in the ocean as far as general plastic litter and cigarette butts go), so even if we do continue to take the NIMBY-friendly approach of locking up injection drug users, that would still free a significant number of people. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/01/22/four-in- ten-u-s-drug-arrests-in-2018-were-for-marijuana-offenses-mostly-possession/ (remove space) --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956701158] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>Krazy_Kirby posted... </cite> <quote>I guess you are fine with junkies shooting up in your neighborhood and leaving their paraphernalia around then.</quote> I'd prefer them to be shooting up in supervised injection sites with clean needles and readily-available medical help to prevent them from dying of overdoses, or better yet not shooting up at all because they've had access to rehab services and are living in sufficient comfort that they don't feel the need to rely on drugs to not be constantly miserable, but if we're ruling out those options (which most people seem to want to, for some strange reason), I would indeed rather see them shooting up on the streets instead of being thrown in jail. Obviously, I don't like seeing that, but because I'm a decent person, I don't demand that people be thrown in jail purely because I don't want to see them. Note, however, that ~37% of drug arrests are for marijuana possession. Generally speaking, people don't "shoot up" with pot, nor does pot use leave behind an appreciable amount of paraphernalia (at worst, you get some litter in the form of baggies or butts, and those are a drop in the ocean as far as general plastic litter and cigarette butts go), so even if we do continue to take the NIMBY-friendly approach of locking up injection drug users, that would still free a significant number of people. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/01/22/four-in- ten-u-s-drug-arrests-in-2018-were-for-marijuana-offenses-mostly-possession/ (remove space) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarefreeDude 08/02/21 12:42:52 PM #150:	I feel like the homeless population is very different depending on your location. For instance in areas of Seattle many of the homeless are mentally ill and actually do attack people. Heck at a dealership a homeless man followed a woman into the bathroom at a car dealership and raped her, while the employees outside could only stand and listen while waiting for the cops to arrive. Meanwhile there are also homeless people who have just ended up in a bad situation in life and need a little boost to help get life back on track. You really can't group them all together since they all have different needs to be rehabilitated. Meanwhile I admit I don't really want to take my children to parks full of homeless people especially knowing many could be mentally ill and attack me or my children. Not to mention all the drug use. I don't have an answer to the homeless problem but I feel a proper program that is able to tend to the individual needs of homeless and get them back in track would be a good start. Although even that solutions comes with lots of questionable human rights actions. --- Switch Code: SW-5421-8761-9807 IGN: Chris Pokemon Home Friend Code: XSNF-XRED-EWDK 3DS:5112-3770-6561 <cite>CarefreeDude posted [p:956701891] in LA Mayor t... [t:79590745]...</cite> <quote>I feel like the homeless population is very different depending on your location. For instance in areas of Seattle many of the homeless are mentally ill and actually do attack people. Heck at a dealership a homeless man followed a woman into the bathroom at a car dealership and raped her, while the employees outside could only stand and listen while waiting for the cops to arrive. Meanwhile there are also homeless people who have just ended up in a bad situation in life and need a little boost to help get life back on track. You really can't group them all together since they all have different needs to be rehabilitated. Meanwhile I admit I don't really want to take my children to parks full of homeless people especially knowing many could be mentally ill and attack me or my children. Not to mention all the drug use. I don't have an answer to the homeless problem but I feel a proper program that is able to tend to the individual needs of homeless and get them back in track would be a good start. Although even that solutions comes with lots of questionable human rights actions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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