Current Events > Left Leaning peeps, what is your most conservative view?

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BlackJackCat 07/26/21 12:29:21 AM #154:	hockeybub89 posted... NASCAR is cool See, I can't take you serious because anyone who likes NASCAR bitches about how awful NASCAR is. Stop fucking around here, this is serious business. --- This issues still comes to mind now and then Cake was baking in the oven and mother was making tea for us <cite>BlackJackCat posted [p:956464638] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>NASCAR is cool</quote> See, I can't take you serious because anyone who likes NASCAR bitches about how awful NASCAR is. Stop fucking around here, this is serious business. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
QueenCarly 07/26/21 12:46:26 AM #155:	PsychicHippo posted... That the wall needs to be built, or at the very least, heavy immigration reform is in order. Living in a border I see firsthand just how bad it is every day. That alternate gender pronouns are getting out of control. Look, I'm gay myself, but frankly without what we typically think of as heteronormative language in place things can get pretty ridiculous, pretty fast. I'm not negating the actual feelings of being a he, a she, or neither, or both, but demanding others keep up with you reeks of ego. Being gay doesn't magically give you some special insight on trans issues. You get it wrong, they correct you. One of two things happen next: You apologize and proceed using the correct pronouns. You refuse to apologize and continue to be an asshole about it and are the real egomaniac in the situation. --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26AHNHoZ6XnXX2fhC/giphy.gif <cite>QueenCarly posted [p:956464965] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>PsychicHippo posted... </cite> <quote>That the wall needs to be built, or at the very least, heavy immigration reform is in order. Living in a border I see firsthand just how bad it is every day. That alternate gender pronouns are getting out of control. Look, I'm gay myself, but frankly without what we typically think of as heteronormative language in place things can get pretty ridiculous, pretty fast. I'm not negating the actual feelings of being a he, a she, or neither, or both, but demanding others keep up with you reeks of ego.</quote> Being gay doesn't magically give you some special insight on trans issues. You get it wrong, they correct you. One of two things happen next: You apologize and proceed using the correct pronouns. You refuse to apologize and continue to be an asshole about it and are the real egomaniac in the situation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 07/26/21 12:56:16 AM #156:	averagejoel posted... why on earth would you allow talking points to dictate which views are in line with an ideology when the actual ideology exists independently of that? Because when people say "conservative," the vast majority of them mean the political definition and not a literal definition. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:956465141] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>why on earth would you allow talking points to dictate which views are in line with an ideology when the actual ideology exists independently of that?</quote> Because when people say "conservative," the vast majority of them mean the political definition and not a literal definition. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
squall567 07/26/21 1:44:10 AM #157:	That there are certain groups of people who are inherently inferior. In this case, MAGA chuds. --- AMD Ryzen 9 5900x \| Aorus RTX 3080 Xtreme \| Asus B550-A \| 1TB 970 Evo Pro + 2TB 860 Evo \| G.SKILL Trident Z Neo DDR4 32GB 3600Mhz CL16 RAM \| Corsair RM1000x <cite>squall567 posted [p:956465975] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>That there are certain groups of people who are inherently inferior. In this case, MAGA chuds. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 07/26/21 1:46:19 AM #158:	Magneto was right --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:956466004] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>Magneto was right </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 07/26/21 2:17:41 AM #159:	Smackems posted... Vicious dios is a quarter female confirmed lmao! Just noticed that part. --- S / K / Y / N / E <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:956466450] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>Smackems posted... </cite> <quote>Vicious dios is a quarter female confirmed</quote> lmao! Just noticed that part. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 07/26/21 3:23:11 AM #160:	I dont think I have a single conservative view. I'm not sure it's even possible to have conservative views and remain an anarchist Maybe my reluctance to enter into a polyamorous relationship? Idk I'm not against them existing at all, I've just never had a particular interest in participating in one, but I'm really stretching things to find anything even slightly conservative --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:956467262] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>I dont think I have a single conservative view. I'm not sure it's even possible to have conservative views and remain an anarchist Maybe my reluctance to enter into a polyamorous relationship? Idk I'm not against them existing at all, I've just never had a particular interest in participating in one, but I'm really stretching things to find anything even slightly conservative </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/26/21 8:46:55 AM #161:	FortuneCookie posted... Because when people say "conservative," the vast majority of them mean the political definition and not a literal definition. but if you define it only according to talking points rather than the actual ideology, then pretty much any political view can be associated with several different ideologies. which one it gets associated with is then dependent entirely on how often it gets discussed. like most people on the far left are pro-gun. it's not a super common topic of conversation in my circles, but there definitely are leftists who talk about it more frequently. just because you don't hear them doesn't mean they don't do it. so by your reasoning, that particular view is a far-left view in addition to being a conservative view --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:956470931] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>FortuneCookie posted... </cite> <quote>Because when people say "conservative," the vast majority of them mean the political definition and not a literal definition.</quote>but if you define it only according to talking points rather than the actual ideology, then pretty much any political view can be associated with several different ideologies. which one it gets associated with is then dependent entirely on how often it gets discussed. like most people on the far left are pro-gun. it's not a super common topic of conversation in my circles, but there definitely are leftists who talk about it more frequently. just because you don't hear them doesn't mean they don't do it. so by your reasoning, that particular view is a far-left view in addition to being a conservative view </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 07/26/21 10:34:00 AM #162:	squall567 posted... That there are certain groups of people who are inherently inferior. In this case, MAGA chuds. Okay this one Maybe. --- Hard times (happiest days of my life) hard times gone by <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:956473155] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>squall567 posted... </cite> <quote>That there are certain groups of people who are inherently inferior. In this case, MAGA chuds.</quote>Okay this one Maybe. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 07/26/21 10:54:32 AM #163:	averagejoel posted... but if you define it only according to talking points rather than the actual ideology, then pretty much any political view can be associated with several different ideologies. which one it gets associated with is then dependent entirely on how often it gets discussed. like most people on the far left are pro-gun. it's not a super common topic of conversation in my circles, but there definitely are leftists who talk about it more frequently. just because you don't hear them doesn't mean they don't do it. so by your reasoning, that particular view is a far-left view in addition to being a conservative view And there are right-wingers who think that the rich have too much money. It doesn't change which side of the spectrum that argument is most at home at. I still say trying to claim being pro-gun to be universal rather than right-leaning is just spitefully trying to deny that they could have a point on any issue. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:956473648] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>but if you define it only according to talking points rather than the actual ideology, then pretty much any political view can be associated with several different ideologies. which one it gets associated with is then dependent entirely on how often it gets discussed. like most people on the far left are pro-gun. it's not a super common topic of conversation in my circles, but there definitely are leftists who talk about it more frequently. just because you don't hear them doesn't mean they don't do it. so by your reasoning, that particular view is a far-left view in addition to being a conservative view</quote> And there are right-wingers who think that the rich have too much money. It doesn't change which side of the spectrum that argument is most at home at. I still say trying to claim being pro-gun to be universal rather than right-leaning is just spitefully trying to deny that they could have a point on any issue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/26/21 11:47:33 AM #164:	FortuneCookie posted... And there are right-wingers who think that the rich have too much money. It doesn't change which side of the spectrum that argument is most at home at. I still say trying to claim being pro-gun to be universal rather than right-leaning is just spitefully trying to deny that they could have a point on any issue. I'm not claiming that it's universal, I'm not being spiteful, and this has nothing to do with whether or not any specific people "have a point" or not. again, I'm talking about the ideology here. someone's views on guns and gun control are independent of their economic views --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:956475059] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>FortuneCookie posted... </cite> <quote>And there are right-wingers who think that the rich have too much money. It doesn't change which side of the spectrum that argument is most at home at. I still say trying to claim being pro-gun to be universal rather than right-leaning is just spitefully trying to deny that they could have a point on any issue.</quote>I'm not claiming that it's universal, I'm not being spiteful, and this has nothing to do with whether or not any specific people "have a point" or not. again, I'm talking about the ideology here. someone's views on guns and gun control are independent of their economic views </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 07/26/21 12:24:54 PM #165:	averagejoel posted... I'm not claiming that it's universal, I'm not being spiteful, and this has nothing to do with whether or not any specific people "have a point" or not. again, I'm talking about the ideology here. someone's views on guns and gun control are independent of their economic views So are their views on abortion, that's definitely a left wing viewpoint. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/M8h2ATe https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:956476030] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not claiming that it's universal, I'm not being spiteful, and this has nothing to do with whether or not any specific people "have a point" or not. again, I'm talking about the ideology here. someone's views on guns and gun control are independent of their economic views</quote>So are their views on abortion, that's definitely a left wing viewpoint. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/26/21 12:30:08 PM #166:	DrizztLink posted... So are their views on abortion, that's definitely a left wing viewpoint. abortion is not independent of economic views though. it's part of healthcare. which economic views entail accessible public services, including healthcare? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:956476197] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite> <quote>So are their views on abortion, that's definitely a left wing viewpoint.</quote>abortion is not independent of economic views though. it's part of healthcare. which economic views entail accessible public services, including healthcare? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AvantgardeAClue 07/26/21 12:34:08 PM #167:	goddamn at least like half of the posts ITT are from people who either didn't read the topic title or people talking about their MOST liberal views lol --- Sometimes I say things and I'm not voice acting. <cite>AvantgardeAClue posted [p:956476312] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>goddamn at least like half of the posts ITT are from people who either didn't read the topic title or people talking about their MOST liberal views lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 07/26/21 4:50:46 PM #168:	this is what happens when people are allow to misuse terms instead of correcting them. the intellectually dishonest will play dumb and the intellectually stunted will go with the flow. like "race." --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:956484451] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>this is what happens when people are allow to misuse terms instead of correcting them. the intellectually dishonest will play dumb and the intellectually stunted will go with the flow. like "race."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SquantoZ 07/27/21 9:30:56 AM #169:	AvantgardeAClue posted... goddamn at least like half of the posts ITT are from people who either didn't read the topic title or people talking about their MOST liberal views lol CE gon CE --- "Context Matters" <cite>SquantoZ posted [p:956505340] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>AvantgardeAClue posted... </cite> <quote>goddamn at least like half of the posts ITT are from people who either didn't read the topic title or people talking about their MOST liberal views lol</quote> CE gon CE </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XxKrebsxX 07/27/21 9:44:25 AM #170:	2nd Amendment. I hate when the DNC get a hard on for the 2nd Amendment. I don't agree with it and also it always loses them elections as well. <cite>XxKrebsxX posted [p:956505665] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>2nd Amendment. I hate when the DNC get a hard on for the 2nd Amendment. I don't agree with it and also it always loses them elections as well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 07/27/21 10:16:46 AM #171:	averagejoel posted... abortion is not independent of economic views though. it's part of healthcare. which economic views entail accessible public services, including healthcare? Uhhhhhh you could support universal health care and not abortion pro lifers see it as a moral issue and not a health care/economic issue --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:956506508] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> abortion is not independent of economic views though. it's part of healthcare. which economic views entail accessible public services, including healthcare? </quote> Uhhhhhh you could support universal health care and not abortion pro lifers see it as a moral issue and not a health care/economic issue</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/27/21 10:18:24 AM #172:	g980 posted... Uhhhhhh you could support universal health care and not abortion pro lifers see it as a moral issue and not a health care/economic issue I don't care what they see it as. factually, it is not independent of economic views --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:956506552] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>g980 posted... </cite> <quote>Uhhhhhh you could support universal health care and not abortion pro lifers see it as a moral issue and not a health care/economic issue</quote>I don't care what they see it as. factually, it is not independent of economic views </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 07/27/21 10:43:17 AM #173:	averagejoel posted... I don't care what they see it as. factually, it is not independent of economic views The point being that they can lean as far left as you for 99% of the healthcare conversation and swing hard right for that one piece and still be ideologically self-consistent. --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:956507221] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> I don't care what they see it as. factually, it is not independent of economic views </quote> The point being that they can lean as far left as you for 99% of the healthcare conversation and swing hard right for that one piece and still be ideologically self-consistent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/27/21 10:47:07 AM #174:	g980 posted... The point being that they can lean as far left as you for 99% of the healthcare conversation and swing hard right for that one piece and still be ideologically self-consistent. abortion is a necessary part of healthcare. if they do not support it being free, safe, and accessible for all who need or want it, their definition of healthcare is not universal. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:956507344] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>g980 posted... </cite> <quote>The point being that they can lean as far left as you for 99% of the healthcare conversation and swing hard right for that one piece and still be ideologically self-consistent.</quote>abortion is a necessary part of healthcare. if they do not support it being free, safe, and accessible for all who need or want it, their definition of healthcare is not universal. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 07/27/21 12:12:57 PM #175:	averagejoel posted... abortion is a necessary part of healthcare. if they do not support it being free, safe, and accessible for all who need or want it, their definition of healthcare is not universal. How about the rights of the unborn child? --- Dream Address DA-6517-3174-1702 <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:956510026] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>abortion is a necessary part of healthcare. if they do not support it being free, safe, and accessible for all who need or want it, their definition of healthcare is not universal.</quote>How about the rights of the unborn child? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/27/21 12:21:04 PM #176:	TyVulpine posted... How about the rights of the unborn child? irrelevant. abortion is a necessary part of healthcare regardless of anything abstract like that --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:956510248] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted... </cite> <quote>How about the rights of the unborn child?</quote>irrelevant. abortion is a necessary part of healthcare regardless of anything abstract like that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 07/27/21 12:25:03 PM #177:	averagejoel posted... abortion is a necessary part of healthcare regardless of anything abstract like that Citation needed. --- Dream Address DA-6517-3174-1702 <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:956510358] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>abortion is a necessary part of healthcare regardless of anything abstract like that</quote>Citation needed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/27/21 12:27:39 PM #178:	TyVulpine posted... Citation needed. it's not necessary to cite information that is self-evident, such as "the rights of the unborn" having no bearing on whether or not abortion is necessary part of healthcare --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:956510448] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted... </cite> <quote>Citation needed.</quote>it's not necessary to cite information that is self-evident, such as "the rights of the unborn" having no bearing on whether or not abortion is necessary part of healthcare </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta_MAX 07/27/21 12:28:56 PM #179:	You can be racist towards anyone. --- I'm Veggeta X's alt <cite>Veggeta_MAX posted [p:956510485] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>You can be racist towards anyone. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 07/27/21 12:32:09 PM #180:	averagejoel posted... it's not necessary to cite information that is self-evident, such as "the rights of the unborn" having no bearing on whether or not abortion is necessary part of healthcare Again, citation needed. Claiming "abortion is necessary part of healthcare" without proof isn't fact, it's OPINION. --- Dream Address DA-6517-3174-1702 <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:956510588] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>it's not necessary to cite information that is self-evident, such as "the rights of the unborn" having no bearing on whether or not abortion is necessary part of healthcare</quote>Again, citation needed. Claiming "abortion is necessary part of healthcare" without proof isn't fact, it's OPINION. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/27/21 12:37:04 PM #181:	TyVulpine posted... Again, citation needed. Claiming "abortion is necessary part of healthcare" without proof isn't fact, it's OPINION. I do not believe that you are engaging in good faith. google "life-threatening pregnancy" or something --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:956510745] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted... </cite> <quote>Again, citation needed. Claiming "abortion is necessary part of healthcare" without proof isn't fact, it's OPINION.</quote>I do not believe that you are engaging in good faith. google "life-threatening pregnancy" or something </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 07/27/21 12:44:00 PM #182:	averagejoel posted... I do not believe that you are engaging in good faith. google "life-threatening pregnancy" or something You're the one refusing to cite sources for your claim that "abortion is necessary part of healthcare" and demanding everyone just accept your opinion. You're the one not engaging in good faith discussion. --- Dream Address DA-6517-3174-1702 <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:956510979] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>I do not believe that you are engaging in good faith. google "life-threatening pregnancy" or something</quote>You're the one refusing to cite sources for your claim that "abortion is necessary part of healthcare" and demanding everyone just accept your opinion. You're the one not engaging in good faith discussion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sad_Face 07/27/21 12:44:00 PM #183:	Comfy_Pillow posted... Giving kids free passes for their bad behavior just because their life is hard is not helping them. I hope you're not actually in charge of them in any capacity. A child's behavior is indicative of problems they have at home. It is impossible to demand the school system solve them. This is a responsibility of the parents and yet teachers get saddled with the task of raising kids on top of trying to teach them. --- https://imgur.com/WmIB016 https://imgur.com/53FGj6K <cite>Sad_Face posted [p:956510980] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>Comfy_Pillow posted... </cite> <quote>Giving kids free passes for their bad behavior just because their life is hard is not helping them. I hope you're not actually in charge of them in any capacity.</quote> A child's behavior is indicative of problems they have at home. It is impossible to demand the school system solve them. This is a responsibility of the parents and yet teachers get saddled with the task of raising kids on top of trying to teach them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/27/21 12:46:37 PM #184:	TyVulpine posted... You're the one refusing to cite sources for your claim that "abortion is necessary part of healthcare" and demanding everyone just accept your opinion. You're the one not engaging in good faith discussion. pregnancies can have life-threatening complications that abortions can help with. this is not disputable information. from this information, it follows that abortions can save lives. therefore, abortions are necessary. now shut the fuck up --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:956511055] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted... </cite> <quote>You're the one refusing to cite sources for your claim that "abortion is necessary part of healthcare" and demanding everyone just accept your opinion. You're the one not engaging in good faith discussion.</quote>pregnancies can have life-threatening complications that abortions can help with. this is not disputable information. from this information, it follows that abortions can save lives. therefore, abortions are necessary. now shut the fuck up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/27/21 12:47:08 PM #185:	Topic's not great --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:956511079] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>Topic's not great </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 07/27/21 12:49:49 PM #186:	averagejoel posted... pregnancies can have life-threatening complications that abortions can help with. this is not disputable information. from this information, it follows that abortions can save lives. therefore, abortions are necessary. now shut the fuck up no they arent. Now either cite your source for your claim that abortion is necessary part of healthcare or sit down, shut up, and let the adults talk. I refuse to allow my taxes to go towards murdering unborn children. --- Dream Address DA-6517-3174-1702 <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:956511173] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>pregnancies can have life-threatening complications that abortions can help with. this is not disputable information. from this information, it follows that abortions can save lives. therefore, abortions are necessary. now shut the fuck up</quote>no they arent. Now either cite your source for your claim that abortion is necessary part of healthcare or sit down, shut up, and let the adults talk. I refuse to allow my taxes to go towards murdering unborn children. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 07/27/21 12:50:45 PM #187:	Probably firearm ownership. I have some fiscally moderate views as well (not wholly right-wing but less aggressive than what the most ardent left-wing movers and shakers want). --- It is more important to use your anonymity to upset other people than it is to do anything productive. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:956511200] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>Probably firearm ownership. I have some fiscally moderate views as well (not wholly right-wing but less aggressive than what the most ardent left-wing movers and shakers want). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/27/21 12:50:45 PM #188:	TyVulpine posted... no they arent. Now either cite your source for your claim that abortion is necessary part of healthcare or sit down, shut up, and let the adults talk. I explained the reasoning. you didn't listen to it. that is on you --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:956511202] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted... </cite> <quote>no they arent. Now either cite your source for your claim that abortion is necessary part of healthcare or sit down, shut up, and let the adults talk.</quote>I explained the reasoning. you didn't listen to it. that is on you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 07/27/21 12:52:14 PM #189:	averagejoel posted... I explained the reasoning. you didn't listen to it. that is on you no you gave your opinion, thats all. Opinion=/=fact. --- Dream Address DA-6517-3174-1702 <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:956511246] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>I explained the reasoning. you didn't listen to it. that is on you</quote>no you gave your opinion, thats all. Opinion=/=fact. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/27/21 12:54:39 PM #190:	TyVulpine posted... no you gave your opinion, thats all. Opinion=/=fact. some pregnancies have complications. that is a fact. some pregnancy complications can be life-threatening to the one carrying the child. that is a fact. some pregnancies with life-threatening complications require terminating the pregnancy to save the life of the person carrying the child. that is a fact. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:956511317] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted... </cite> <quote>no you gave your opinion, thats all. Opinion=/=fact.</quote>some pregnancies have complications. that is a fact. some pregnancy complications can be life-threatening to the one carrying the child. that is a fact. some pregnancies with life-threatening complications require terminating the pregnancy to save the life of the person carrying the child. that is a fact. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 07/27/21 12:56:54 PM #191:	averagejoel posted... some pregnancies have complications. that is a fact. some pregnancy complications can be life-threatening to the one carrying the child. that is a fact. some pregnancies with life-threatening complications require terminating the pregnancy to save the life of the person carrying the child. that is a fact. Okay dude, still not proof. Have fun murdering unborn children --- Dream Address DA-6517-3174-1702 <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:956511399] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>some pregnancies have complications. that is a fact. some pregnancy complications can be life-threatening to the one carrying the child. that is a fact. some pregnancies with life-threatening complications require terminating the pregnancy to save the life of the person carrying the child. that is a fact.</quote>Okay dude, still not proof. Have fun murdering unborn children </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/27/21 12:57:56 PM #192:	TyVulpine posted... Okay dude, still not proof. Have fun murdering unborn children which of those three claims are you specifically disputing? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:956511434] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted... </cite> <quote>Okay dude, still not proof. Have fun murdering unborn children</quote>which of those three claims are you specifically disputing? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gatorsPENSbucs 07/27/21 12:58:56 PM #193:	TyVulpine posted... no they arent. Now either cite your source for your claim that abortion is necessary part of healthcare or sit down, shut up, and let the adults talk. Um, maybe know what youre talking about next time? The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists issued a statement saying: "Abortions are necessary in a number of circumstances to save the life of a woman or to preserve her health. Unfortunately, pregnancy is not a risk-free life event." And that was with like 5 seconds of research. Its a pretty commonly known thing. --- https://imgur.com/ZFt3WwT http://error1355.com/ce/gatorsPENSbucs.html https://imgur.com/pqMQZyw <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted [p:956511459] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted... </cite> <quote>no they arent. Now either cite your source for your claim that abortion is necessary part of healthcare or sit down, shut up, and let the adults talk.</quote>Um, maybe know what youre talking about next time? The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists issued a statement saying: "Abortions are necessary in a number of circumstances to save the life of a woman or to preserve her health. Unfortunately, pregnancy is not a risk-free life event." And that was with like 5 seconds of research. Its a pretty commonly known thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/27/21 1:02:09 PM #194:	Gun ownership isn't a right wing stance just fyi everyone. There's nothing political about weaponry apart from the intentional divisions created artificially by politicians. Many far left countries allow people to own guns and many far right countries don't allow people to own guns. Some of the biggest mass populace disarmament has been historically perpetrated by far right governments. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:956511564] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>Gun ownership isn't a right wing stance just fyi everyone. There's nothing political about weaponry apart from the intentional divisions created artificially by politicians. Many far left countries allow people to own guns and many far right countries don't allow people to own guns. Some of the biggest mass populace disarmament has been historically perpetrated by far right governments. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 07/27/21 1:03:30 PM #195:	gatorsPENSbucs posted... Um, maybe know what youre talking about next time? The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists issued a statement saying: "Abortions are necessary in a number of circumstances to save the life of a woman or to preserve her health. Unfortunately, pregnancy is not a risk-free life event." And that was with like 5 seconds of research. Its a pretty commonly known thing. Wow someone that knows how to actually provide citation in an debate instead of demanding everyone else do the research for them... --- Dream Address DA-6517-3174-1702 <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:956511624] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>gatorsPENSbucs posted... </cite> <quote>Um, maybe know what youre talking about next time? The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists issued a statement saying: "Abortions are necessary in a number of circumstances to save the life of a woman or to preserve her health. Unfortunately, pregnancy is not a risk-free life event." And that was with like 5 seconds of research. Its a pretty commonly known thing.</quote>Wow someone that knows how to actually provide citation in an debate instead of demanding everyone else do the research for them... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/27/21 1:10:20 PM #196:	TyVulpine posted... Wow someone that knows how to actually provide citation in an debate instead of demanding everyone else do the research for them... that isn't what I did. please do not blame your stubborn ignorance on me. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:956511843] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>TyVulpine posted... </cite> <quote>Wow someone that knows how to actually provide citation in an debate instead of demanding everyone else do the research for them...</quote>that isn't what I did. please do not blame your stubborn ignorance on me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 07/27/21 1:20:56 PM #197:	Life threatening pregnancies are obviously a thing, but if someone believes that abortion is literal murder then it is as much a part of healthcare as killing a random person to harvest an organ to save someone else I dont agree with that perspective But it isnt helping anyone to refuse to understand the opposition's premise. Empathy is not the same as agreement, and yes there is some subjectivity. --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:956512192] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>Life threatening pregnancies are obviously a thing, but if someone believes that abortion is literal murder then it is as much a part of healthcare as killing a random person to harvest an organ to save someone else I dont agree with that perspective But it isnt helping anyone to refuse to understand the opposition's premise. Empathy is not the same as agreement, and yes there is some subjectivity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/27/21 1:30:34 PM #198:	g980 posted... Life threatening pregnancies are obviously a thing, but if someone believes that abortion is literal murder then it is as much a part of healthcare as killing a random person to harvest an organ to save someone else I dont agree with that perspective But it isnt helping anyone to refuse to understand the opposition's premise. Empathy is not the same as agreement, and yes there is some subjectivity. I'm not refusing the premise. I'm saying it's irrelevant. abortion is a necessary part of healthcare regardless of anyone's opinion on whether or not it's "literal murder" --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:956512525] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>g980 posted... </cite> <quote>Life threatening pregnancies are obviously a thing, but if someone believes that abortion is literal murder then it is as much a part of healthcare as killing a random person to harvest an organ to save someone else I dont agree with that perspective But it isnt helping anyone to refuse to understand the opposition's premise. Empathy is not the same as agreement, and yes there is some subjectivity.</quote>I'm not refusing the premise. I'm saying it's irrelevant. abortion is a necessary part of healthcare regardless of anyone's opinion on whether or not it's "literal murder" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 07/27/21 2:34:03 PM #199:	averagejoel posted... I'm not refusing the premise. I'm saying it's irrelevant. abortion is a necessary part of healthcare regardless of anyone's opinion on whether or not it's "literal murder" If someone needs a heart transplant, is taking it from someone else without their consent part of universal healthcare? Of course not. Because that is analogous for someone who believes abortion is murder. There are limits to healthcare drawn on moral lines. The difference is where and how those moral lines are drawn, which can be subjective. --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:956514444] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> I'm not refusing the premise. I'm saying it's irrelevant. abortion is a necessary part of healthcare regardless of anyone's opinion on whether or not it's "literal murder" </quote> If someone needs a heart transplant, is taking it from someone else without their consent part of universal healthcare? Of course not. Because that is analogous for someone who believes abortion is murder. There are limits to healthcare drawn on moral lines. The difference is where and how those moral lines are drawn, which can be subjective.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/27/21 2:45:00 PM #200:	g980 posted... If someone needs a heart transplant, is taking it from someone else without their consent part of universal healthcare? Of course not. Because that is analogous for someone who believes abortion is murder. There are limits to healthcare drawn on moral lines. The difference is where and how those moral lines are drawn, which can be subjective. cool. that still has absolutely no bearing on what I'm talking about, and that is a terrible comparison. abortions are still necessary in a practical sense. there are people who will die without them. there are people who will die trying to perform a DIY abortion on themselves if they are publicly inaccessible. personal morals have nothing to do with that, and if someone is opposed to them being provided, they do not support universal healthcare. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:956514763] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>g980 posted... </cite> <quote>If someone needs a heart transplant, is taking it from someone else without their consent part of universal healthcare? Of course not. Because that is analogous for someone who believes abortion is murder. There are limits to healthcare drawn on moral lines. The difference is where and how those moral lines are drawn, which can be subjective.</quote>cool. that still has absolutely no bearing on what I'm talking about, and that is a terrible comparison. abortions are still necessary in a practical sense. there are people who will die without them. there are people who will die trying to perform a DIY abortion on themselves if they are publicly inaccessible. personal morals have nothing to do with that, and if someone is opposed to them being provided, they do not support universal healthcare. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 07/27/21 2:46:41 PM #201:	Everything according to some folks here <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:956514814] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>Everything according to some folks here </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 07/27/21 2:52:21 PM #202:	averagejoel posted... cool. that still has absolutely no bearing on what I'm talking about, and that is a terrible comparison. abortions are still necessary in a practical sense. there are people who will die without them. there are people who will die trying to perform a DIY abortion on themselves if they are publicly inaccessible. personal morals have nothing to do with that, and if someone is opposed to them being provided, they do not support universal healthcare. It is an apt comparison. People die without needed heart transplants all the time. It is preventable if we murder someone else. If someone thinks abortion is murder, they are analogous. It only sounds ridiculous because you refuse to empathize with the premise of abortion as murder of a human being. --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:956514987] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote> cool. that still has absolutely no bearing on what I'm talking about, and that is a terrible comparison. abortions are still necessary in a practical sense. there are people who will die without them. there are people who will die trying to perform a DIY abortion on themselves if they are publicly inaccessible. personal morals have nothing to do with that, and if someone is opposed to them being provided, they do not support universal healthcare. </quote> It is an apt comparison. People die without needed heart transplants all the time. It is preventable if we murder someone else. If someone thinks abortion is murder, they are analogous. It only sounds ridiculous because you refuse to empathize with the premise of abortion as murder of a human being.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRadiant 07/27/21 2:55:53 PM #203:	Anti-abortion people are funny, in a sad way I mean --- She/her <cite>TheRadiant posted [p:956515063] in Left Leani... [t:79582629]...</cite> <quote>Anti-abortion people are funny, in a sad way I mean </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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