Current Events > Are you a supporter of Black Lives Matter?

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CyricZ posted...

Didn't prevent him from being murdered.

So were Jesus and Gandhi, your point?

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hockeybub89 posted...

How the fuck can you unironically discount all crazy shit from the right as extremist idioicy, but then legitimately fear the Far-Left and whoever the fuck those people are as having the power to "cancel" MLK?

Because you're arguing with someone who isn't arguing in good faith.

But you can spend another 100 posts pretending you can reach some mutual agreement if you aren't doing anything important this Saturday.

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it doesnt really matter, since we're all essentially shitposting, but it cant be lost that someone tasked with enforcing policy on this site equated white supremacists storming our nation's Capitol to prevent a lawful democratic transfer of power to people setting up an area in efforts to combat police misconduct and protest without fear of reprisal


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TyVulpine posted...

Difference between MLK and BLM is MLK didnt engage in violence to raise awareness of the issues blacks face.

Black Lives Matter doesn't engage in a whole lot of violence, either. Certainly less violence than the state and the bourgeoisie, so if its a choice between the two (and it is), the choice is obvious.

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false equivalence is just one of many items in the White supremacy utility belt.
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Another vote for "the message, but not the organization".

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TyVulpine posted...

Difference between MLK and BLM is MLK didnt engage in violence to raise awareness of the issues blacks face.

Friendly reminder that MLK was shot to death.

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The fact half of CE doesn't support the simple statement that black lives matter is deeply disturbing and days a lot

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I'm a supporter of the idea that people in custody don't need to be murdered by law enforcement. I didn't need a movement to put a thought into my head.

The only thing I've ever wanted from BLM is for them to address the lack of accountability for Black on Black murders that plagues nearly every inner city in America. Police agencies murdering people in cold blood is abhorrent and deserves every ounce and thought of protest that can be mustered.......but so is waking up every day to hear that the local homicide rate has climbed again because of a civilian murder in a "black neighborhood." There are thousands of people in this country trying to get justice for THOSE victims and they need a bigger voice. Why not help them? Is that not also saving the lives of Black Americans?

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El Marsh posted...

I'm a supporter of the idea that people in custody don't need to be murdered by law enforcement. I didn't need a movement to put a thought into my head.

lol @ "I said BLM before BLM existed."

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El Marsh posted...

Black on Black murders

Last I checked, a civilian murdering another civilian usually resulted in legal concequences. As opposed to cops getting paid leave for shooting us despite being unarmed and despite complying.

But the fact that you're using "black on black" crime already tips your hand.


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I support the idea that there's a very racist system put in place due to it never balancing out after slavery and needs to be completely rebuilt. I believe a lot of the wealthiest people have no interest in seeing others become well off and it disproportionately effects minority communities due to being held at the starting line while they gathered and hoarded all the resources first.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Cancel culture doesn't fucking exist!

Strongly disagree.

How the fuck can you unironically discount all crazy shit from the right as extremist idioicy, but then legitimately fear the Far-Left and whoever the fuck those people are as having the power to "cancel" MLK?

Because twitter, facebook, most major companies, almost all newspapers and academic institutions pander to the left and far left, and almost none pander to the right. The right simply hasn't captured that many respectable institutions. I never feel any pushback when being critical of the right, I get a lot of pushback when being critical of the left. I really haven't heard of anybody being fired for speaking out against far-right things, I've heard plenty of people fired for speaking out against far-left things.

Nobody calls me a racist, facist, or idiot if I'm critical of Trump. Tons of people lob those and many more insults at me for saying true things that are counter current left narrative.

Aside from the corruption in government (where the right has done some very real damage) the right doesn't have that much power over the other institutions we all interact with.

"The left" is demonstrably less of a cohesive hivemind in the political and social sphere.

Yes and no. Yes they are less cohesive. But I think the extremes of it can be even more punitive if you don't fall in line. These "woke" twitter mobs really aren't even "left" in any traditional sense, but whatever they are they weird disproportionate power recklessly.

Everyone you agree with is intelligent and non-partisan and logically has lost faith in certain institutions and everyone you disagree with is an idiot extremist who lacks the ability to criticize the establishment.

Not entirely. I am often refreshed when I find people who I disagree with who come to that disagreement legitimately. It isn't what I encounter that often though.

And honestly, I don't see such people who honestly disagree with me as on "another team".

To me the teams aren't "left vs right" it's much more "critical thinking vs hivemind mobs".

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Umbreon posted...

Last I checked, a civilian murdering another civilian usually resulted in legal concequences. As opposed to cops getting paid leave for shooting us despite being unarmed and despite complying.

But the fact that you're using "black on black" crime already tips your hand.

Does it tip my hand to the fact that none of those "leaders" have done a goddamn thing to address people getting murderd in MY neighborhood by people that look like them?

Does it, motherfucker?

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what a stupid post, #115.

if you had the capability to feel shame, you'd probably slap yourself
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Because twitter, facebook, most major companies, almost all newspapers and academic institutions pander to the left and far left, and almost none pander to the right.

HAHAHAHAHA

you can't really believe this....right?

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BeantownHero posted...

HAHAHAHAHA

you can't really believe this....right?

They really do live in an alternate reality.

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Another circle firing diarrhea ce argument. I'm shocked

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El Marsh posted...

Does it tip my hand to the fact that none of those "leaders" have done a goddamn thing to address people getting murderd in MY neighborhood by people that look like them?

Does it, motherfucker?

First off, BLM doesn't have a real "leader". More to the point, fighting systematic racism IS addressing violence because a lot of people resort to that out of desperation. When your rights are treated as secondary, when you face additional obstacles at every point in your life, it drives some to crime.

The thing is... Why is it called "black on black" crime when a black person kills another person, but when a white person kills another white person, it's just called crime?

When you say "Why aren't they do anything about 'Black on Black' crime?", it gives the appearance that you're trying to downplay their efforts. You're saying "They're not allowed to tackle the police unjustly killing us until they do X, Y, Z"!", which conveniently means taking the pressure off of the ones in power and pits brother and sister against each other.

That's how I see things anyway. Heavy crime neighborhoods are usually so due to the population having few options. The system itself killing us is responsible for that and so much worse.

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BeantownHero posted...

HAHAHAHAHA

you can't really believe this....right?

Um yeah.

Are you under the impression that they don't?

What academic institutions pander to the right and far right?

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joe40001 posted...

Um yeah.

Are you under the impression that they don't?

What academic institutions pander to the right and far right?

Facts have a liberal bias, we know this.

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Umbreon posted...

but when a white person kills another white person, it's just called crime?

It isnt actually. It is still white on white (which Latino counts here as well)

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ZMythos posted...

Facts have a liberal bias, we know this.

I didn't say this.

Facts are not political.

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Smackems posted...

Another circle firing diarrhea ce argument. I'm shocked

Tradition must be upheld. It is a day that ends in "y", after all.

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joe40001 posted...

I didn't say this.

If something is grounded in facts, it's far left.

If it's grounded in belief or falsehoods, it's center-right at the minimum

This is just reality.

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Dathrowed1 posted...

It isnt actually. It is still white on white (which Latino counts here as well)

Is it really? Because I don't recall a single time white people have been told they need to do something about white people killing other white people specifically.

But oh boy everytime black people want some civil rights, we all suddenly share responsibility for gang violence in Chicago.

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joe40001 posted...

ZMythos posted...

Facts have a liberal bias, we know this.

I didn't say this.

in so many words, you did.

what point were you trying to drive home, then? that the Right value sentiment over substance?
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ZMythos posted...

If something is grounded in facts, it's far left.

If it's grounded in belief or falsehoods, it's center-right at the minimum

This is just reality.

No it's not.

Facts have no political affiliation.

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joe40001 posted...

I didn't say this.

Facts are not political.

Most conservatives don't seem to believe them, so I think it is.

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Jim Crow laws were rightfully nixed in 1965. That means there was least a 5, 10, 15, 20+ year era of absolute systematic racism being phased out. Many of our fathers, mothers, grandmothers, and grandfathers have lived to see both those laws done away with, things grow to a more accepting tolerance of culture, and to see the first black President (and then the first black/mixed Vice President, to my knowledge) ~ Isnt that progress? Isnt that beautiful? It all happened in their lifetime. When I see an elderly black man, I can only imagine what hes been through.

and dont you see how the other side to this argument could be reeling in horror?

Lets not aggress their sensitive, racist selves further.... and, lets keep climbing for more progress :)

If we show them aggression, will it not only feed into their belief that their horrible racism is right & just?

Dont be that guy/gal.......

Just my opinion

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

in so many words, you did.

what point were you trying to drive home, then? that the Right value sentiment over substance?

They have different temperaments and focus for sure.

What did I say that you want me to clarify? Because I feel was just responding to hockeybub's question about why I seem more concerned with the left and more dismissive of the right.

And I was basically saying it was because (aside from in government, which is a big important deal) republicans haven't captured that much power in our social reality.

Mostly I was talking about how it's not a left vs right thing though and I'm much more dividing things based on those who think in a hivemind way and those who think critically. That's much more my concern.

The left vs right points are largely irrelevant. We just should call out bullshit and dangerous things whenever they come up.

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Umbreon posted...

Is it really? Because I don't recall a single time white people have been told they need to do something about white people killing other white people specifically.

That is because of the numbers black on black murders represents about 55% of murders in the US despite 13% of the population. Whereas whites it is 41% of murders with a 78% of population (Latinos are counted as whites in these stats). It puts black on black murders at a disproportionate rate (over 8 times)

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MLK believed in not pissing them off, too. maybe he just didn't say it nice enough.
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ZMythos posted...

Most conservatives don't seem to believe them, so I think it is.

What facts do most conservatives not believe in?

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The statement, unequivocally.

The organization? Nah.

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Xethuminra posted...

and dont you see how the other side to this argument could be reeling in horror?

Could you elaborate on this? I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Though I must strongly disagree with not showing aggressing. A quiet protest changes nothing. Black people didn't get rights by being polite and convenient. Women didn't get rights by being polite and convenient.

No that's not saying "commit crime" it's saying that the right for civil rights usually needs to get... unfriendly for it to work.

Most of the progress made in America was done with one side kicking and screaming. There's no waiting patiently.

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Hell No.

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I think so, but I don't actually do anything to support it so idk if I can actually say I support it.

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Dathrowed1 posted...

That is because of the numbers black on black murders represents about 55% of murders in the US despite 13% of the population.

Oh cool, this myth. Again.


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Ill address one thing from. The definition of aggression.

I can, for example, be an aggressive & successful poker player...... without aggression a single one of my opponent. You know?

Other than that, do you really need me to explain how racists can be horrified by racism being destroyed?

joe40001 posted...

What facts do most conservatives not believe in?

• Joe Biden won the election.
• Donald Trump is a fascist and a criminal.
• Donald Trump hired/appointed multiple criminals during his presidency.
• There was no fraudulent voting that had an impact on the outcome of the election.
• COVID-19 is a serious concern for the health of thousands and the US should respond with the same level of seriousness.
• Systemic Racism exists in the US and continues to affect the lives of BIPOC citizens.
• January 6th was a terrorist attack on the Capitol and Donald Trump is responsible for it.
• Vaccines do not cause autism.

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joe40001 posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

in so many words, you did.

what point were you trying to drive home, then? that the Right value sentiment over substance?

They have different temperaments and focus for sure.

What did I say that you want me to clarify? Because I feel was just responding to hockeybub's question about why I seem more concerned with the left and more dismissive of the right.

And I was basically saying it was because (aside from in government, which is a big important deal) republicans haven't captured that much power in our social reality.

Mostly I was talking about how it's not a left vs right thing though and I'm much more dividing things based on those who think in a hivemind way and those who think critically. That's much more my concern.

The left vs right points are largely irrelevant. We just should call out bullshit and dangerous things whenever they come up.

I understand.

however, in reality, the Right are more likely to opt out of critical thought and into hive mind behavior. to the point where it's worth noting. it maybe be irrelevant to you personally, but it's relevant to those willing to kill for their beliefs. downplaying it more just implies that you don't see the big picture, and possibly maybe even incapable of it.
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I believe in the mantra and not in the organization that doesn't have a cohesive leadership structure. And you also have grifters like Shaun King infiltrate their ranks

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Xethuminra posted...

Other than that, do you really need me to explain how racists can be horrified by racism being destroyed?

So? Fuck em. Why should I be interested in the feelings of people who would hang me from a tree if they could?

If you're afraid of people that look different than you being true equals, why should the world cater to you?

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Yes, absolutely

And for the people that are like "but Marxism" yes, that's the point

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Umbreon posted...

Oh cool, this myth. Again.

You have proof the FBI is giving away a myth?

I mean you have to show it is a myth as it is the default

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it's widely believed that James Earl Ray was a patsy, too
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

I understand.

however, in reality, the Right are more likely to opt out of critical thought and into hive mind behavior. to the point where it's worth noting. it maybe be irrelevant to you personally, but it's relevant to those willing to kill for their beliefs. downplaying it more just implies that you don't see the big picture, and possibly maybe even incapable of it.

Uncritical thinking, sure, I've seen that on both sides. I don't know if one side is "more likely", truth is I tend to ineract with a lot more people on the left than the right, but I will push back when I hear something dumb from either side.

Like if this were a republican forum I'd probably be equally unpopular and perceived as contrarian.

Personally I think this whole "big group of republicans willing to kill" is overstated. There aren't that many tiki torch republicans.

I do think we see different "big pictures". But it's maybe not as far off as you might think.

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Godnorgosh posted...

Supporting BLM is the correct and common-sense position for anyone who does, in fact, believe that black lives matter.

How do you feel about PETA?

And how do you feel about the ethical treatment of animals?

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