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Antifar 07/01/21 9:49:20 AM #1: |
https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/juror-googled-ice-officers-mysterious-uniform-patch-result-11k-contempt-2021-06-30/
The night before a federal jury in Camden, New Jersey, began deliberations in the U.S. governments case accusing Kevin Ruiz-Quezada of assaulting an Immigration and Customs Enforcement officer, a juror named Stephen Meile had questions. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CADE FOSTER 07/01/21 9:51:38 AM #2: |
pretty sure White supremacists have infiltrated every level of law enforcement and gov fbi told us this years ago that dude shouldnt have googled it tho
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monkmith 07/01/21 9:55:03 AM #3: |
stupid. shouldn't have told anyone they looked it up.
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eston 07/01/21 9:55:20 AM #4: |
It sounds like they were given specific instructions and every other juror understood that
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DaveTheUseless 07/01/21 9:56:27 AM #5: |
Fair next
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ThePieReborn 07/01/21 9:56:37 AM #6: |
Yeah, you don't look at outside information here.
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sktgamer_13dude 07/01/21 9:57:02 AM #7: |
monkmith posted...
stupid. shouldn't have told anyone they looked it up. Rather he come out now before rendering a verdict though. Shouldnt have Googled it when told not to. Fuck ICE and their white supremacists though. God forbid someone want a coat. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's RIP SMV 2/25/21 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Middle hope 07/01/21 9:57:56 AM #8: |
How long until we can just get an all AI jury that determines guilt?
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Smashingpmkns 07/01/21 9:59:05 AM #9: |
Pretty fucked that they would have gone through the whole trial without knowing about the white supremacist symbol.
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DrizztLink 07/01/21 10:00:25 AM #10: |
Antifar posted...
During trial, jurors had been shown a photograph depicting a patch on an ICE officers uniform. There was a suggestion that the patch was a trade union logo. Meile, a retired pipefitter, didnt think it was.Can't have the jury avoiding intentional misinformation, no sir. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EmbraceOfDeath 07/01/21 10:03:35 AM #11: |
Maybe the prosecution should have told the truth about what the patch represented in the first place.
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DrizztLink 07/01/21 10:06:27 AM #12: |
EmbraceOfDeath posted...
Maybe the prosecution should have told the truth about what the patch represented in the first place.Was it the prosecution or defense? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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sktgamer_13dude 07/01/21 10:07:57 AM #13: |
DrizztLink posted...
I mean, tbf, it makes sense to not be able to Google anything while deliberating. Guy should have done something like a hung jury if the prosecution refused to identify the patch. And not just we think its... but actually verifying it. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's RIP SMV 2/25/21 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cocytus 07/01/21 10:09:38 AM #14: |
Man this is why you should never be on a jury. Fuck that shit.
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eston 07/01/21 10:09:49 AM #15: |
They probably figured it could make the jury biased against the ICE officer when the ICE officer isn't the one who is on trial. Whether or not that guy is a white supremacist is not what determines guilt here, and if it were relevant evidence it would have been presented as such.
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NoMeLx22x 07/01/21 10:10:38 AM #16: |
Yeah all of this aside (and assuming it's true) how come the prosecution didn't even bother to point this out in the trial itself?
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DrizztLink 07/01/21 10:11:45 AM #17: |
sktgamer_13dude posted...
I mean, tbf, it makes sense to not be able to Google anything while deliberating. Guy should have done something like a hung jury if the prosecution refused to identify the patch. And not just we think its... but actually verifying it.I agree with the spirit of the law, it's just a little annoying in this particular circumstance. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadBankerDream 07/01/21 10:12:36 AM #18: |
That's how the jury system works. Fine seems excessive, but I don't find it disagreeable.
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Antifar 07/01/21 10:13:06 AM #19: |
NoMeLx22x posted...
Yeah all of this aside (and assuming it's true) how come the prosecution didn't even bother to point this out in the trial itself?Well, considering the prosecution was relying on the ICE agent's testimony, --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eston 07/01/21 10:13:26 AM #20: |
I definitely get why this is contempt, but that fine is insane
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FarFromFields 07/01/21 10:14:17 AM #21: |
Fair next. Who knows if what he found on Google is even true? Doing your own internet research doesn't hold up in a court of law. That said, ICE definitely seems like the kind of law enforcement to have a major white supremacy problem.
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gunplagirl 07/01/21 10:14:42 AM #22: |
Smashingpmkns posted...
Pretty fucked that they would have gone through the whole trial without knowing about the white supremacist symbol.This is the bigger concern. Makes sense that the modern day Gestapo is filled with with people openly wearing white supremacist symbols. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadBankerDream 07/01/21 10:16:04 AM #23: |
Also a reminder, Henry Fonda in 12 Angry Men would have been held in contempt and the case would have been a mistrial for exactly this reason when he brings out the knife.
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Cocytus 07/01/21 10:17:55 AM #24: |
Antifar posted...
when Juror 7 informed a court official that another juror had disobeyed the judges instructions and conducted online research.Fucking narc man. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 07/01/21 10:21:59 AM #25: |
The defense should have pointed that out so the dude just had a bad lawyer. Hopefully the defense can point it out in the next trial.
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Robot2600 07/01/21 10:23:08 AM #26: |
Juries should be out for the truth, and if they are gonna lie about it being a trade patch then I don't see how googling the truth is some less ethical than lying in court.
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MorbidFaithless 07/01/21 10:25:11 AM #27: |
This seems wrong
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sktgamer_13dude 07/01/21 10:27:55 AM #28: |
Robot2600 posted...
Juries should be out for the truth, and if they are gonna lie about it being a trade patch then I don't see how googling the truth is some less ethical than lying in court. Because theres no way to cross examine Google in the deliberation room. The juror could have looked at only positive things on Google about the agent and itd still be a mistrial. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's RIP SMV 2/25/21 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GeneralKenobi85 07/01/21 10:30:21 AM #29: |
Yeah this seems like something the defense attorney should have brought up in the trial.
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ScazarMeltex 07/01/21 10:34:39 AM #30: |
Maybe don't lie about what the patch meant.
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Ruvan22 07/01/21 10:42:14 AM #31: |
DeadBankerDream posted...
Also a reminder, Henry Fonda in 12 Angry Men would have been held in contempt and the case would have been a mistrial for exactly this reason when he brings out the knife. Was just about to post this- 12 Angry Men was one of the first "serious" films to have a strong impression on pre teen Ruvan22. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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justaguy3492 07/01/21 10:45:50 AM #32: |
Antifar posted...
December 2017 to execute an administrative arrest warrant and initiate immigration proceedings. Ruiz-Quezada, a lawful permanent resident Fucking abolish ICE. Hopefully the mistrial gives the guys defense team time to build up a solid case and get him off. --- Gt: justaguy3492 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 07/01/21 10:47:18 AM #33: |
Robot2600 posted...
Juries should be out for the truth, and if they are gonna lie about it being a trade patch then I don't see how googling the truth is some less ethical than lying in court.So how is it not perjury of the ICE guy to lie about it? --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gwynevere 07/01/21 10:49:43 AM #34: |
Judicial system doesn't care about the truth, only protecting white supremacist goons that work within it
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AceWingsta 07/01/21 10:49:43 AM #35: |
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Tom Clark 07/01/21 10:59:20 AM #36: |
Regrettably, this is fair.
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PatrickMahomes 07/01/21 11:03:05 AM #37: |
yet another reason never to try everything you can to avoid jury duty
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UnholyMudcrab 07/01/21 11:06:23 AM #38: |
Yeah, that's an independent investigation. You can't do that.
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Cocytus 07/01/21 11:24:59 AM #39: |
Ruvan22 posted...
Was just about to post this- 12 Angry Men was one of the first "serious" films to have a strong impression on pre teen Ruvan22.Yeah I read a few legal analysis of 12 Angry Men and they said that bringing the knife in and trying to reconstruct the crime would have been a huge no-no. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 07/01/21 11:32:08 AM #40: |
Cocytus posted...
Yeah I read a few legal analysis of 12 Angry Men and they said that bringing the knife in and trying to reconstruct the crime would have been a huge no-no. Conversely, one of my other favorite films is My Cousin Vinny (which also covers the topic of proving guilt) and it's now used in some law schools as an example of how to present a solid defense ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AuroraUnit836 07/01/21 12:03:12 PM #41: |
can the ice agent be tried for perjury
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Zikten 07/01/21 5:36:20 PM #44: |
ThePieReborn posted...
Yeah, you don't look at outside information here. That is a rule I have always opposed. There have many cases where someone was found guilty and later the jurors said they would have found them innocent if they had seen evidence that was hidden from them ... Copied to Clipboard!
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1337toothbrush 07/01/21 8:56:15 PM #45: |
UnholyMudcrab posted...
Yeah, that's an independent investigation. You can't do that.Why not? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doe 07/01/21 8:58:15 PM #46: |
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Stalolin 07/01/21 8:59:09 PM #47: |
Zikten posted...
That is a rule I have always opposed. There have many cases where someone was found guilty and later the jurors said they would have found them innocent if they had seen evidence that was hidden from them This. It's the dang 21st century. People have access to so much information at any given moment - how can you expect them not to use it? If it needs to be contextualised or debunked that's what the adversarial system and the courtroom itself is for. --- "Our selves are something we create, not discover." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheVipaGTS 07/01/21 9:00:18 PM #48: |
Its bull shit. If they presented the patch in the trial, what it actually means is relevant. Them simply saying oh its just some union thing shouldnt be the end of it. Fuck that.
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Medussa 07/01/21 9:03:59 PM #49: |
what if it was just something he knew off hand? does he still need to pretend to believe the lies and/or omissions?
regardless though, while this is a failure of the defense more than the juror, it is still something he knew he wasn't allowed to do. the fine is incredibly excessive, but some sort of punishment should have been expected. but, we shouldn't be ruling out perjury, either. --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! My only skills are brick throwing and frog being! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smackems 07/01/21 9:08:21 PM #50: |
Tldr
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