Board 8 > Metroid Dread.

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I like Samus's new suit but nothing can beat the squishy Metroid!

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new suit reminds me of Corruption's PED Suit



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Grimlyn posted...

https://www.analogue.co/pocket

I wonder if this thing will ever go back in stock. I hope so! I was about to start a replay of Samus Returns on my 3DS since I can't get Metroid off the brain, then thought I might as well start with Zero Mission. But yeah, was going to buy one of these on the spot and forgot they were out of stock. I hope they still make them. Sounds like a really damn cool device.

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I've still just been coming back to my Wii U for most retro gaming needs, its virtual console library is just really incredible it makes me sad Switch went a different route.

I'll be crushed when the Wii U eShop is finally taken down.

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GuessMyUserName posted...

I've still just been coming back to my Wii U for most retro gaming needs, its virtual console library is just really incredible it makes me sad Switch went a different route.

I'll be crushed when the Wii U eShop is finally taken down.

I'm not hardware expert, but it baffles me that the Switch doesn't have every noteworthy GBA game available on it.

GBA and Switch are the most recent single-screened Nintendo systems. It just makes sense.

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I think the real issue is that VC wasn't ever that profitable?

It seems more lucrative for companies to just resell their old popular franchises as new releases.

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pjbasis posted...

I think the real issue is that VC wasn't ever that profitable?

That just seems crazy to me. It's so low effort to throw the roms onto an emulator.

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Well, would I as a consumer spend 5 bucks on a NES game or 20 on a collection of 4 or 5 NES games

Pricing was kinda silly, mainly cause of lack of sales

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Waluigi1 posted...

That just seems crazy to me. It's so low effort to throw the roms onto an emulator.

I mean lack of cost doesn't necessarily mean huge profits if no one's buying. Like 90% of PS1 classic sales probably went to FF, MGS, SotN, maybe Crash and Spyro, and the rest of the 265 fought for scraps. And it was probably less profitable for square than the hd ports.

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Well right now Nintendo is making zero money on Metroid Zero Mission and Fusion because you can't get them on Switch!

With Dread being a direct sequel my hope was that GBA games would be put on Switch Online soon and Fusion would be available first to catch people up. But on Treehouse they kept saying what a great starting point Dread would be for newcomers to the series so never mind.

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This reminds me to get zero mission and fusion on the wii u virtual consoIe before it's too late

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andylt posted...

Well right now Nintendo is making zero money on Metroid Zero Mission and Fusion because you can't get them on Switch!

With Dread being a direct sequel my hope was that GBA games would be put on Switch Online soon and Fusion would be available first to catch people up. But on Treehouse they kept saying what a great starting point Dread would be for newcomers to the series so never mind.

Exactly. Such a waste. You have a hyper-popular console with a new upcoming release that will drive interest in the franchise, and what do you do? Absolutely nothing.

Nintendo loses so much money on all the classic games they don't make available for sale.

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They're probably not losing money. It's just like andy said - they expect Dread to be an entry point. That means they want people interested in the series to buy the $50 new release instead of trying an older one for $10-20 or whatever.

Also besides normal HD ports, look at the other ways Nintendo is putting out retro games. There's the Nintendo Online library, which is mainly to get people to pay the $20 recurring annual fee, and all the limited edition collectors item stuff - the NES/SNES Classic and the new Zelda Game & Watch, but also the Fire Emblem game and Super Mario 3D All-Stars.

Nintendo isn't that dumb. They know exactly what they're doing.

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oh apparently I already own everything Metroid on Wii U except Fusion

guess I'll get that

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The only games in the series I don't own in any capacity are the first two (though I do have Zero Mission which should cover that), Hunters, Federation Force, and Samus Returns.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

They're probably not losing money. It's just like andy said - they expect Dread to be an entry point. That means they want people interested in the series to buy the $50 new release instead of trying an older one for $10-20 or whatever.

Also besides normal HD ports, look at the other ways Nintendo is putting out retro games. There's the Nintendo Online library, which is mainly to get people to pay the $20 recurring annual fee, and all the limited edition collectors item stuff - the NES/SNES Classic and the new Zelda Game & Watch, but also the Fire Emblem game and Super Mario 3D All-Stars.

Nintendo isn't that dumb. They know exactly what they're doing.

Fair points. Though I'm sure there are many Switch owners who wouldn't mind spending $5-$10 a pop on Zero Mission and Fusion while they wait for Dread's release. I don't see why playing either of those great games now would dissuade them from playing Dread.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

The only games in the series I don't own in any capacity are the first two (though I do have Zero Mission which should cover that), Hunters, Federation Force, and Samus Returns.

Samus Returns is above excellent.

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I was interested in getting it when it came out but I lost interest afterwards. Haven't even played a Metroid game since I last replayed Prime in 2014. Dread might be a good opportunity for me to get back in.

Since it'll probably inevitably come up, I have a very good feeling I would not like Metroid: Other M if I ever replayed it and that I was just excited over the game when it came out. I watched ProtonJon stream the whole game last year and was astounded at how bad the story was, albeit with the caveat that sexism wasn't the primary culprit. I ranted in Exdeath's topic about that so I'll spare this thread for now.

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The baby

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

They're probably not losing money. It's just like andy said - they expect Dread to be an entry point. That means they want people interested in the series to buy the $50 new release instead of trying an older one for $10-20 or whatever.

This. There's maybe a 10% chance Dread is gonna be better than Fusion or ZM, let alone both. Why would you take 13 years of Metroid hype and waste it on a $10 emulator port, when you could funnel the demand into a brand new game? And THEN you can sell your emulator ports when people are disappointed by the new one.

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foolm0r0n posted...

There's maybe a 10% chance Dread is gonna be better than Fusion or ZM, let alone both.

All they have to do is not tell you where to go every step of the way and it'll already be better than Fusion.

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Like I said, 10%

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i'll never forget my high school summer of beating fusion at least once every day for over a month

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Fusion is excellent when you get over its linearity, but Dread already looks way better. Also Adam doesn't tell you where to go this time.

I have faith that this will be a Metroid ass Metroid.

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StartTheMachine posted...

Fusion is excellent when you get over its linearity

Still can't infinite wall jump though

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Oh hell yeah, infinite wall jump rocked in Zero Mission. Fusion is maybe the only Metroid I never really tried sequence breaking.

That is something I don't have any faith will be in Dread, but would be cool if it happened.

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StartTheMachine posted...

Fusion is maybe the only Metroid I never really tried sequence breaking.

Probably because you cant. If you manage to collect a Power Bomb before you download the data, it still wont let you use it. If you manage to reach a boss before youre supposed to (currently only possible through tool-assisted play), you wont get their powerup when you kill them and the plot doesnt skip ahead, and the boss will still be there when you reach that point at the intended time.

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Why do we think the old games being available would decrease the sales of the new game? That's...generally what happens when a series is about to get a new release. They rerelease the old games as ports or HD versions to build hype and interest towards the new game. This isn't a novel concept or something. So...?

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iirc the only thing you can completely skip is the diffusion missiles
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I think you still need to get them, since Adam mentions them in one of his texts. And you need them to get by the weird, puffer fish enemies.

If anyone is looking for a story/series recap of the first 4 entries, I just put a video detailing my feelings on them.

Started recording Prime last night too, excited to start part 2. God I love Metroid. I had started this well before Dread was announced but I'm so pumped for it's release. Managed to snag a Deluxe edition AND Amiibo set too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNXU64vy5sE

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foolm0r0n posted...

This. There's maybe a 10% chance Dread is gonna be better than Fusion or ZM, let alone both. Why would you take 13 years of Metroid hype and waste it on a $10 emulator port, when you could funnel the demand into a brand new game? And THEN you can sell your emulator ports when people are disappointed by the new one.

People could play Super Metroid for FREE on NSO. There is no way you're telling me that Dread will be better than Super.

Waluigi1 posted...

Why do we think the old games being available would decrease the sales of the new game? That's...generally what happens when a series is about to get a new release. They rerelease the old games as ports or HD versions to build hype and interest towards the new game. This isn't a novel concept or something. So...?

Agreed. When RE8 got announced, I finally got around to playing RE7. That didn't kill my hype for RE8; only intensified it.

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Dread will be better than Super.
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Dread will be better than Federation Force

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Waluigi1 posted...

Why do we think the old games being available would decrease the sales of the new game? That's...generally what happens when a series is about to get a new release. They rerelease the old games as ports or HD versions to build hype and interest towards the new game. This isn't a novel concept or something. So...?

Because that's not how Nintendo treats these things and I'm assuming they have data backing up their approach. Think also about how Nintendo rarely ever puts their games on sale and when they do it's not nearly as much as other developers. Everyone knows sales go up if you lower the price but Nintendo doesn't, presumably because they're making more money that way. Nintendo has an interest in selling you the one or two Marios or Zeldas on the system at full price, and they use full-price ports of older games to fill in gaps in the release schedule.

plasmabeam posted...

Agreed. When RE8 got announced, I finally got around to playing RE7. That didn't kill my hype for RE8; only intensified it.

In this scenario you seem to already be committed to playing RE8. The only impact RE7 could have on sales is pursuading you AWAY from RE8 if you don't like it. There's an argument that less people would buy the sequel if they didn't have access to the original, but I don't think that applies to Nintendo games.

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Yeah I don't know about sales being hurt, they seem to be waiting on releasing the Prime trilogy for a closer MP4 release.

I just don't think they have a good way to sell old games at max profit. They definitely don't want to just to toss them in some forgotten online service no one but hardcore fans use.

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Emeraldegg posted...

iirc the only thing you can completely skip is the diffusion missiles

You can take an alternate route that avoids collecting them, but the door to the elevator is locked until you pick them up and Adam will tell you to go back and do what you're supposed to do in the Navigation Room.

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They might also think the older games are too hard. People start playing them, get pissed off/soured on the series, and not buy Dread. One weird way of thinking but not unheard of.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Think also about how Nintendo rarely ever puts their games on sale and when they do it's not nearly as much as other developers.

There was one quote from Nintendo that I can't find about how they consider their games to be premium high-quality products and want to ensure that public perception of their games stays that way

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plasmabeam posted...

There is no way you're telling me that Dread will be better than Super.

Probably not but ZM and Fusion aged wayyyy better

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Honestly, the impression I get from most 2-D Metroid fans is that they can't even conceive of a better Metroid game than Super Metroid

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Most Metroid fans also think Prime 1 is better than 2

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I'd probably like Super more than Zero Mission if the weapon selection controls were different, that's always been my problem as somebody who played Fusion first

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https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/06/metroid_series_tops_wii_u_eshops_best_sellers_list_following_dread_reveal

Literally what I did

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it's nice to have confirmation that my VC shilling is working

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KamikazePotato posted...

Honestly, the impression I get from most 2-D Metroid fans is that they can't even conceive of a better Metroid game than Super Metroid

It is currently the best one though!

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Super Metroid has momentum, which makes it the most fun to play and replay.

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I'd honestly rather replay Zero Mission than Super.
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Lolo_Guru posted...

I'd honestly rather replay Zero Mission than Super.

Oh me too, but the sheer amount of variability in what you can pull off in Super is much higher than Zero Mission because of the momentum system alone.

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It's Prime that I can't think of how to make better than the first one.

All you have to do to be better than Super is not do the dumbfuck things the gba games did while doing the smartshit things they did.

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pjbasis posted...

It's Prime that I can't think of how to make better than the first one.

All you have to do to be better than Super is not do the dumbfuck things the gba games did while doing the smartshit things they did.

Make it faster, get rid of the scan visor entirely.

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