Board 8 > omori's not political right

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NeatoAnAccount
04/07/21 3:18:01 PM
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this internet person is claiming that omori is a political story

the message is that you shouldn't withdraw from your friends and family in times of tragedy

there is no mention of politics at all right

i'm not being willfully obtuse right

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banananor
04/07/21 3:28:17 PM
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pretty much everything can be political if you want it to be. "politics" involves pretty much anything that constitutes of humans, their societies, and how they run them

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/politics

a story about people who withdraw from society inherently poses a societal (and therefore political) question, regardless of what the creator says they intend

but i assume you mean an explicitly 'red team versus blue team' definition of politics- i haven't played it, so don't know if there's any of that in there

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pjbasis
04/07/21 3:37:46 PM
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Evillordexdeath
04/07/21 3:45:02 PM
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banananor posted...
but i assume you mean an explicitly 'red team versus blue team' definition of politics- i haven't played it, so don't know if there's any of that in there
There is not.

I think it is true that Sunny's shut-in tendencies stop him from helping his friends in the way that other characters like Kel do, so that's something that you could take from it, but it's not the focus of the story by any means. The real emphasis of that part of the story is on the importance of facing your own problems instead of hiding from them.

Omori is definitely not an explicitly political story. There's really no discussion of politics in the game unless you try to take a metaphorical interpretation of what happens to make it relate to politics, which I personally would consider to be a stretch.

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mnkboy907
04/07/21 3:46:43 PM
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Does it have any gay people, black people, or strong independent women? If yes then it's political and only pandering to the woke mob.

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NeatoAnAccount
04/07/21 3:50:02 PM
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mnkboy907 posted...
Does it have any gay people, black people, or strong independent women? If yes then it's political and only pandering to the woke mob.

shut up idiot that's not how that works

Evillordexdeath posted...
There is not.

I think it is true that Sunny's shut-in tendencies stop him from helping his friends in the way that other characters like Kel do, so that's something that you could take from it, but it's not the focus of the story by any means. The real emphasis of that part of the story is on the importance of facing your own problems instead of hiding from them.

Omori is definitely not an explicitly political story. There's really no discussion of politics in the game unless you try to take a metaphorical interpretation of what happens to make it relate to politics, which I personally would consider to be a stretch.


Yeah this is my takeaway. Plus look at how everyone else is doing. Kel and Hero are doing fine, they have their family and other friends. They maintained their healthy social bonds. Sunny and Aubrey are not doing fine, because they turned their backs on their friends. When they reconnect, they start doing better.

I think the contrast between Kel's family and everyone else's is supposed to be a major part of the message. Kel's the one who is trying to be a good friend even when it's hard.

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tazzyboyishere
04/08/21 8:37:21 AM
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Most stories are inherently political

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NeatoAnAccount
04/08/21 4:00:30 PM
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mnkboy907 posted...
Does it have any gay people, black people, or strong independent women? If yes then it's political and only pandering to the woke mob.

Counterpoint: people are fine with every SF game, every Mortal Kombat game, every FF game, every sports game, every GTA game, every Watch Dogs game, every Metroid game, Portal, Celeste, etc etc etc

No one complains about literally all diversity except for openly racist crazy people.

Everyone who accepts that "forced diversity" is real will put approximately the same set of games in the "forced diversity," "unforced diversity," and "no diversity" buckets. If they weren't responding to the same thing (which they call "forced diversity") there would be significant controversy over which media to put in which bucket. But people pretty much universally come to the same conclusions independently.

Evillordexdeath posted...
There is not.

I think it is true that Sunny's shut-in tendencies stop him from helping his friends in the way that other characters like Kel do, so that's something that you could take from it, but it's not the focus of the story by any means. The real emphasis of that part of the story is on the importance of facing your own problems instead of hiding from them.

Omori is definitely not an explicitly political story. There's really no discussion of politics in the game unless you try to take a metaphorical interpretation of what happens to make it relate to politics, which I personally would consider to be a stretch.

Yeah I basically agree with all this. But I think the fact that Sunny and Aubrey are in a bad place after withdrawing from their friends and family, while Kel and Hero are doing well while maintaining their bonds and trying to be good friends, is a pretty major part of the message. I think the game is saying that not only should you face your problems, you should get help from your existing friends and family.

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masterplum
04/08/21 4:08:47 PM
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Paratroopa1
04/08/21 4:19:37 PM
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NeatoAnAccount posted...
Counterpoint: people are fine with every SF game, every Mortal Kombat game, every FF game, every sports game, every GTA game, every Watch Dogs game, every Metroid game, Portal, Celeste, etc etc etc

No one complains about literally all diversity except for openly racist crazy people.

Everyone who accepts that "forced diversity" is real will put approximately the same set of games in the "forced diversity," "unforced diversity," and "no diversity" buckets. If they weren't responding to the same thing (which they call "forced diversity") there would be significant controversy over which media to put in which bucket. But people pretty much universally come to the same conclusions independently.

The point of mnk's post is whooshing right over your head here. I don't actually know anything about Omori but if some 'internet person' said that the game is """political""", the questions mnk is asking are precisely the pertinent ones to be asking. You're just preaching to the choir here, you have to think like some internet rando who thinks that a game having a female main character or dealing with any kind of social issues at all is political. I mean you're here unironically saying that "people are fine with Celeste" and hahahaha hoo boy, first time on the internet eh?
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NeatoAnAccount
04/08/21 4:28:11 PM
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I mean you're here unironically saying that "people are fine with Celeste" and hahahaha hoo boy, first time on the internet eh?

I mean it's possible that there was some controversy I missed in Celeste other than that one time OneAngryGamer zoomed in on a 30px-by-20px trans flag in some promotional art and flipped out and everyone, including the anti-SJW crowd, laughed at him. When were people not fine with Celeste?

Point still stands for every single other game I mentioned, including the entire genre of sports games.

you have to think like some internet rando who thinks that a game having a female main character... is political

No one says a game is political just because the main character is female. This is a misrepresentation of what people say, except for a very small number of crazy sexists who get laughed at by SJWs and anti-SJWs alike

Paratroopa1 posted...
dealing with any kind of social issues at all is political

Yeah this is a position people seem to actually have. I'd say that the thing that makes it political is the scale of the social issue. Omori deals with things on the level of the social circle, not on the level of society as a whole or even the HOA. I wouldn't call that political.

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banananor
04/08/21 4:30:18 PM
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NeatoAnAccount posted...
Counterpoint: people are fine with... ...every Mortal Kombat game
for the record, i remember there being an idiotic quadrant of the internet that got mad when Jax's ending in MK11 involved going back in time and preventing the slave trade

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NeatoAnAccount
04/08/21 4:31:31 PM
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haha

but to be fair that is not a response to the presence of black people, how many other games has he appeared in?

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Paratroopa1
04/08/21 4:31:43 PM
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You also literally are saying that Mortal Kombat isn't controversial, which means you haven't been paying attention because people keep flipping their shit about that game like every week because they made someone's boobs smaller or something. Yes, rando internet dipshits consider that 'political.' And if you think the anti-SJW crowd isn't constantly getting riled up by the inclusion of female characters in video games then you are not paying attention.
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Paratroopa1
04/08/21 4:32:51 PM
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banananor posted...
for the record, i remember there being an idiotic quadrant of the internet that got mad when Jax's ending in MK11 involved going back in time and preventing the slave trade
Yeah, this also happened. People get mad about some very telling shit. And it's most certainly more than a few of them.

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Kenri
04/08/21 4:33:12 PM
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NeatoAnAccount posted...
Counterpoint: people are fine with every SF game, every Mortal Kombat game, every FF game, every sports game, every GTA game, every Watch Dogs game, every Metroid game, Portal, Celeste, etc etc etc
damn i wish i was this ignorant of the dumb shit people complain about

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GuessMyUserName
04/08/21 4:35:20 PM
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you can have any kind of person in your game as you want just don't let 'em deal with any issues related to their background!

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NeatoAnAccount
04/08/21 4:36:28 PM
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Paratroopa1 posted...
You also literally are saying that Mortal Kombat isn't controversial

no one is saying "why are there blacks and women in mortal kombat"

we are talking about the mere presence of diversity causing problems

Paratroopa1 posted...
And if you think the anti-SJW crowd isn't constantly getting riled up by the inclusion of female characters in video games

how come the entire anti-SJW crowd agrees on WHICH female characters to get riled up about, and which not to? it's clearly not JUST that there's a woman in my video game

Kenri posted...
damn i wish i was this ignorant of the dumb shit people complain about

find me someone who doesn't immediately get laughed at or worse when they say "why are there black people in my street fighter game" or whatever

no one goes "i wish these games were less diverse" except crazy people who everyone agrees are crazy

Paratroopa1 posted...
Yeah, this also happened. People get mad about some very telling shit. And it's most certainly more than a few of them.

actually this would definitely fall under the "crazy racists everyone would laugh at," hth!

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Paratroopa1
04/08/21 4:41:20 PM
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NeatoAnAccount posted...
how come the entire anti-SJW crowd agrees on WHICH female characters to get riled up about, and which not to? it's clearly not JUST that there's a woman in my video game
No obviously it's not just women in video games, it's women that look or behave in a way that these people don't like. They agree on which female characters to get mad about because they feed on each others' dipshit opinions to create some kind of dumb outrage hivemind. If you're not aware that there is a huge contingent of gamergater types who get outraged over the "politics" of there being a female character they don't like in a game, then we must live on different internets.
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Kenri
04/08/21 4:42:39 PM
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NeatoAnAccount posted...
find me someone who doesn't immediately get laughed at or worse when they say "why are there black people in my street fighter game" or whatever
i'm not going to go rooting through sewage just to prove a point that you'd probably not concede anyway. if you want to find it it's pretty easy to find.

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GuessMyUserName
04/08/21 4:43:18 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/691088-xbox-one/79091571

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NeatoAnAccount
04/08/21 4:48:44 PM
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I concede that if you include a trans character people will call your game political no matter what. We obviously have a long way to go there

Also I watched the jax ending. I guarantee that the thing people objected to was not deleting the slave trade.

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NFUN
04/08/21 5:00:54 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/bfqoyu/opinion_i_think_jaxs_ending_in_mortal_kombat_11/

at least spend ten seconds looking before "guaranteeing" that somebody who actually knows what they're talking about is wrong

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Paratroopa1
04/08/21 5:02:01 PM
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NFUN posted...
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/bfqoyu/opinion_i_think_jaxs_ending_in_mortal_kombat_11/

at least spend ten seconds looking before "guaranteeing" that somebody who actually knows what they're talking about is wrong
Just an avalanche of posts complaining about Mortal Kombat's 'wokeness'
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mnkboy907
04/08/21 5:03:37 PM
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I didn't think my dumb post was gonna be taken so seriously. Sorry for the derail, haha.

But yeah "political" can mean anything depending on who's saying it. Though if they're complaining that it's political, you can probably safely assume they're mad about stuff from my first post.

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NeatoAnAccount
04/08/21 5:05:14 PM
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He cares more about the suffering of black people than anyone else, making him racist. Valid critique

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Paratroopa1
04/08/21 5:07:33 PM
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NeatoAnAccount posted...
Yes. As I said, their objection is not THAT he stopped the slave trade. Why lie?
nobody ever said this, and it's also completely beside the point.
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NeatoAnAccount
04/08/21 5:10:46 PM
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You're trying to change what I'm arguing. All I said is no one calls a game political purely because there's a woman or a black person. That is true.

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pjbasis
04/08/21 5:17:58 PM
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It's true but it's a very short distance from making the assumption that if the main character(s) are female or black, it is because the creator is trying to be woke.

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mnkboy907
04/08/21 5:28:21 PM
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Go over to the Switch board and make a topic asking if the next Zelda game should have a black Link and just see what kinds of responses you get.

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NeatoAnAccount
04/08/21 6:18:50 PM
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mnkboy907 posted...
Go over to the Switch board and make a topic asking if the next Zelda game should have a black Link and just see what kinds of responses you get.
That is literally a different thing than the inclusion of a new black character and that would obviously be pandering to the woke crowd

pjbasis posted...
It's true but it's a very short distance from making the assumption that if the main character(s) are female or black, it is because the creator is trying to be woke.

No it isn't. Everyone knows when you're trying to be woke and when you're not. That's my whole point. Everyone puts the same protagonists in the woke and unwoke buckets

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