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GuessMyUserName
04/16/21 6:48:41 PM
#453:


Wasn't expecting such a slowed down pace from this 2nd last ep but I really liked it for the most part. Good human arc to Wilson taking up the shield in a meaningful way for sure, along with that training montage building up to the new Wakanda tech aww yeah.

By the end I really didn't feel any fears of rushing for the finale although there's certainly a bunch to address next week.

ya moar Batroc, MCU's top low grade baddie

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MoogleKupo141
04/16/21 6:49:48 PM
#454:


Fun enough episode, but considering next week is the last episode I feel this finale is getting rushed? I don't know, with the Karli thing at the end and then realizing next week is the last one I just kinda didn't expect it all.


Theres still like half a movies length of time left. I think everyone major is going to converge for the climax at this GRC(?) situation. There should be plenty of time to wrap up well.
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GuessMyUserName
04/16/21 6:51:27 PM
#455:


I was gonna say it felt like this episode had a lot in it which is why I'm not feeling so rushed for next week.

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TotallyNotMI
04/16/21 9:30:02 PM
#456:


I'm confused by Sharon. She hired Baltoc to help Karli. So she's probably... not Power Broker, since PB is trying to capture Karli? But then she's helping Karli because... why?

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ninkendo
04/17/21 12:57:05 AM
#458:


The Rock is already part of the DCEU instead

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red13n
04/17/21 1:12:27 AM
#459:


The Rock will join the MCU when they need someone to navigate a boat.

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MoogleKupo141
04/17/21 1:20:37 AM
#460:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Welp. Time to cross Elaine Bennis off the bingo card.

Who is even left to appear in the MCU, anyway? The Rock?


the other 3/4 of the Seinfeld cast

Jason Alexander could be a pretty good MODOK

Jerry can be Swarm

Michael Richards can be one of the guys who is upset about Sam being Captain America
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Grand Kirby
04/17/21 2:20:13 AM
#461:


TotallyNotMI posted...
I'm confused by Sharon. She hired Baltoc to help Karli. So she's probably... not Power Broker, since PB is trying to capture Karli? But then she's helping Karli because... why?
I got the idea that it was going to be some kind of double-cross. Who else could PB be? It'd be really dumb if it was some random person only introduced in the final episode, right? Is there any other character it could be that would make any sense? Either PB is not appearing in the series, it's going to be revealed in the final moments as a teaser for future works, or it's her.

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Murphiroth
04/17/21 2:25:05 AM
#462:


TotallyNotMI posted...
I'm confused by Sharon. She hired Baltoc to help Karli. So she's probably... not Power Broker, since PB is trying to capture Karli? But then she's helping Karli because... why?

Remember though that Batroc in Winter Soldier was actually working for Fury to look into his suspicions that SHIELD had been infiltrated. I wouldn't be shocked if Batroc was actually hired to infiltrate the Flag Smashers and find Karli, and Sharon who worked directly for Fury would probably know how to contact him.

She definitely could be the PB but I kind of hope not. Feels too obvious and I wouldn't like that turn for her character. Still think she's in deep cover.
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Grand Kirby
04/17/21 2:30:47 AM
#463:


Also, that end credits scene is a bit less dramatic considering that shield isn't going to be made out of Vibranium. Walker is basically forging a fancy looking trash can lid.

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Paratroopa1
04/17/21 2:43:15 AM
#464:


I feel like the way the scene with Sharon in this episode is shot is strongly meant to imply that she's the power broker. Like, I just really feel like the language of film there is pounding us in the head with it.
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IfGodCouldDie
04/17/21 3:15:46 AM
#465:


Grand Kirby posted...
it's going to be revealed in the final moments as a teaser for future works
This is what I am hoping for at this point.

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RikkuAlmighty
04/17/21 3:44:05 AM
#466:


Karli just makes me angry every time she's on screen.

Sad face and quivering voice into occasional loud outburst =/= acting

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RyoCaliente
04/17/21 9:38:26 AM
#468:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
Jason Alexander could be a pretty good MODOK

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.O.D.O.K._(TV_series) Patton Oswalt says bite me.

Grand Kirby posted...
I got the idea that it was going to be some kind of double-cross. Who else could PB be? It'd be really dumb if it was some random person only introduced in the final episode, right? Is there any other character it could be that would make any sense? Either PB is not appearing in the series, it's going to be revealed in the final moments as a teaser for future works, or it's her.

Like I mentioned, the Comtessa could be the PB. It's Sharon, the Comtessa or a red herring as far as I'm concerned.

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Waluigi1
04/18/21 1:57:56 AM
#469:


I think they're likely setting up the Power Broker for the future?

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red13n
04/18/21 2:01:03 AM
#470:


There is no way they are leaving the Power Broker dangling entirely for the future. These are mostly meant to be standalone shows. Threads left for future media will be smaller things.

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Waluigi1
04/18/21 2:02:23 AM
#471:


I just don't see how it won't be unsatisfying to introduce and kill him off in a single episode.

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Suprak the Stud
04/18/21 2:28:12 AM
#472:


I have a minor issue with how Sam treats Karli vs how he treats fake Cap.

He wants to talk to Karli because he wants to try and reform her (I think? That was sort of the impression I was getting) but he does this after she is involved in a terrorist bombing that killed a bunch of non combatants. He is much more rigid when dealing with fake Cap after he kills a super soldier (that was admittedly surrendering) but was at least an active combatant in a skirmish that killed someone literally moments ago.

Not that fake Cap is good, but it is weird that hes like we can talk to Karli! when that time probably passed.

I think I wouldve liked the story here a little better if she kills his friend by accident firet, sees her companion murdered by fake Cap, and then becomes more extreme as a result of that. That scene with her and Sam chatting all friendly sticks out to me a bit, particularly when he was like no fake Cap you come with us now or I will break your arm.

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Suprak the Stud
04/18/21 2:37:26 AM
#473:


Like the show needed to do a couple of different things there imo.

Either show more directly what Karli and the others were dealing with in some way. I really wouldve liked some more world building to help you side with Karli more other than the show basically going hey these flag smasher guys are ok just trust us. I want more intense scenes of what drove them there other than just some brief summaries thrown at us through simple diaolgue.

Or have Sam come out more one way or another. Treat her like he treats fake Cap? Interesting! More directly support their cause? Interesting!

Instead they do this weird middle ground where hes like lol killing people is bad dont do that again you have super powers after all. Im not even sure what he wants in that scene. For her to turn herself in? A polite understanding she wont just go around killing non-combatants any more? They have him sort of speaking out of both sides of his mouth and it is weird in contrast to the scene at the start of this latest episode.

Imo at least.

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Paratroopa1
04/18/21 3:57:42 AM
#474:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Like the show needed to do a couple of different things there imo.

Either show more directly what Karli and the others were dealing with in some way. I really wouldve liked some more world building to help you side with Karli more other than the show basically going hey these flag smasher guys are ok just trust us. I want more intense scenes of what drove them there other than just some brief summaries thrown at us through simple diaolgue.

Or have Sam come out more one way or another. Treat her like he treats fake Cap? Interesting! More directly support their cause? Interesting!

Instead they do this weird middle ground where hes like lol killing people is bad dont do that again you have super powers after all. Im not even sure what he wants in that scene. For her to turn herself in? A polite understanding she wont just go around killing non-combatants any more? They have him sort of speaking out of both sides of his mouth and it is weird in contrast to the scene at the start of this latest episode.

Imo at least.
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MoogleKupo141
04/18/21 4:34:38 AM
#475:


Instead they do this weird middle ground where hes like lol killing people is bad dont do that again you have super powers after all. Im not even sure what he wants in that scene. For her to turn herself in? A polite understanding she wont just go around killing non-combatants any more? They have him sort of speaking out of both sides of his mouth and it is weird in contrast to the scene at the start of this latest episode.


I think he wanted her to surrender. Hes just doing hostage negotiation tactics to try to relate to her and talk her down. ending the situation peacefully is preferable to making her a martyr for the cause. Shes clearly got a large following, so killing her is going to make things worse.

On the other hand, Walker is just some asshole who Sam can barely talk to in the best circumstances. They tried to tell him to surrender, then he went crazy on them. What more was Sam supposed to say there?

Allegedly there were some significant reshoots / cuts regarding the Flag Smashers last year because their plan involved unleashing some kind of virus. I wonder how different that version of Karli would have been.
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Leonhart4
04/18/21 8:22:59 AM
#476:


Yeah, Sam is trying to get Walker to peacefully give up the shield, but it becomes clear pretty quickly that isn't going to happen.

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IfGodCouldDie
04/19/21 4:49:37 AM
#477:


Opening scene: A body is falling into the ocean, found by an Atlantean, taken to Atlantis, revived, turns out to be Micheal B. Jordan, title card for Black Panther 2.

Micheal B. Jordan coming back as Killmonger turned Black Panther would be fucking awesome and I know it is highly unlikely but that would be a reasonable way to get it done. Especially because part of the plot could include him coming back to take up the mantle when he finds out T'Challa is dead. I could think of a few reasons why Atlanteans might try and revive him or how he would even be able to revive.

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JonThePenguin
04/19/21 10:27:35 AM
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04/19/21 10:30:17 AM
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IfGodCouldDie
04/19/21 10:40:10 AM
#481:


God DAMN!!! Get HYPED!!!

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GuessMyUserName
04/19/21 10:44:12 AM
#482:


i can't help but wonder what if Iron Fist had this treatment

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IfGodCouldDie
04/19/21 10:45:02 AM
#483:


GuessMyUserName posted...
i can't help but wonder what if Iron Fist had this treatment
Save it for the series...

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GranzonEx
04/19/21 10:53:03 AM
#484:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Man my memory is going. Totally forgot Tommy Lee Jones and Natalie Dorner were in Captain America.
I remember Tommy Lee Jones but forgot Natalie Dorner

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XIII_rocks
04/19/21 4:33:35 PM
#485:


https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/olivia-colman-joins-marvel-secret-invasion

Even though MCU gets everybody, for some reason this one still surprised (and pleased) me.
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Grand Kirby
04/19/21 7:27:36 PM
#486:


She's awesome.

I also hope David Mitchell makes it into the MCU someday.

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GuessMyUserName
04/19/21 7:34:51 PM
#487:


Grand Kirby posted...
I also hope David Mitchell makes it into the MCU someday.
yes please

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XIII_rocks
04/19/21 9:08:52 PM
#488:


Absolutely
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Pokalicious
04/20/21 7:51:14 PM
#490:


Emilia Clarke will join the MCU in Secret Invasion.

MmmmmmmmmmmyGOD

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Johnny Eagle
04/20/21 9:31:26 PM
#491:


ninkendo posted...
The Rock is already part of the DCEU instead

So was Laurence Fishburne. Didn't stop him from appearing in Antman & The Wasp...

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LeonhartFour
04/21/21 12:18:23 AM
#493:


UltimaterializerX posted...
People who call The Dark World bad are nuts, but how did Loki survive and become Odin at the end?

he survived the same way he became Odin

it's all an illusion

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Mr Lasastryke
04/21/21 4:44:49 AM
#494:


Johnny Eagle posted...
So was Laurence Fishburne. Didn't stop him from appearing in Antman & The Wasp...

also, j.k. simmons is in both the DCEU and the MCU.

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LiquidOshawott
04/21/21 2:24:53 PM
#495:


Mashershala Ali is gonna be in the MCU twice

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FFDragon
04/21/21 4:32:01 PM
#496:


The dude who plays Korath in Guardians is also the wizard man in Shazam.

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bryans7
04/21/21 4:35:47 PM
#497:


Shit, Zach Levy was in Thor 2 and 3.

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Johnny Eagle
04/21/21 4:37:32 PM
#498:


I think ninkendo gets the point by now

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FFDragon
04/21/21 4:37:49 PM
#499:


I always forget that one.

But Korath/Wizard did it in the same year with Captain Marvel and Shazam now that I look it up.

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04/21/21 4:38:10 PM
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