Poll of the Day > Biden: A Vaccine for Every Adult American by the End of May

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Mead posted...

Im still waiting on that citation

So this is just a reminder that your position is that "Biden did or said nothing wrong".

One Google search later.

https://tinyurl.com/ym8ppy89
"Vote Blue And $2,000 Checks Will Go Out The Door Immediately"

At this time Biden the Cares act had already sent out $600.

Now I'm no expert on the English language, but I'm under the impression that "will" means "in the future" and "not in the past", and "immediately" implies that it will be done at a certain time specified by me, not "one month ago"

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Yellow posted...

So this is just a reminder that your position is that "Biden did or said nothing wrong".

well that is news to me

biden was and is far from the perfect candidate

Yellow posted...

At this time Biden the Cares act had already sent out $600.

and Biden agreed with other democrats that it should be $2000

$600 + $1400 = $2000

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"I never said Biden was perfect! But here's a thing he did that I'm okay with even though I totally wish he would do better, I swear!"

Judgmenl posted...

This is what an organized executive can do.

Love the sarcasm. The rollout has been a complete fuck-up given Biden's refusal to provide any set of guidance or rules, leaving it entirely to the states to handle it. Ultimately he did less than Trump, although I expect that when it came to the final rollout Trump would also have taken the same approach as Biden and told the states to figure out distribution themselves.

streamofthesky posted...

I'm waiting till early May for the first shot, so I guess I'll be right in line w/ his directive.

How do you like...schedule/reserve a date and time, btw? And specify which brand shot you want?
I've got a month and a half to go, should be plenty advance notice to plan around.

afaik you can't specify a brand. At least not yet.

Clench281 posted... You most certainly shouldn't be "shopping around" for a specific vaccine. Accept whatever one you're offered.

This, tbh.

Clench281 posted...

People delaying their vaccinations to get the 'best' one are only adding time to how long it takes to get it under control. Only a step above those who refuse vaccinations entirely.

Pretty shitty troll post.

Veedrock- posted...

Vaccination rate doesnt mean shit if it doesn't come with an end to lockdowns and mandates.

At this point, the vaccinations themselves probably won't mean much because the virus is mutating so quickly. Had the vaccines rolled out earlier (instead of holding off until after the elections), many of those mutations may have been prevented. It'll still probably help move things along slightly, but it's not going to be the gamechanger than it would have been had it launched earlier.

Yellow posted...

He said he would do $2000 checks

It's weaselly and they did it on purpose. Joe Biden is not totally good like Bernie or Yang, he's not totally bad like Trump, he's a two-face. Bomb Syria one day and decrease child poverty the next.

Weasel-y, sure, but lulz at the other commentary.

Yellow posted...

America is constantly voted the number one world threat to world peace.

Which is basically a test of how well can we get people to regurgitate the propaganda that they're fed >_>

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Zeus posted...

At this point, the vaccinations themselves probably won't mean much because the virus is mutating so quickly

They've still been proven effective against new strains when it comes to reducing severity of the disease, which will ease the load on hospitals.

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CoorsLight posted...

"I never said Biden was perfect! But here's a thing he did that I'm okay with even though I totally wish he would do better, I swear!"

I don't get this. You can't be accepting and critical of the same person in different situations?

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CoorsLight posted...

"I never said Biden was perfect! But here's a thing he did that I'm okay with even though I totally wish he would do better, I swear!"

Yeah I do hope that he does better

Im optimistic but if it were up to me Sanders or Yang would be in office

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I mean if Trump promised 600 and then 2000, but gave you 600 then 1400, I'm sure you'd be less accepting of it

Yellow posted...

*Snippet*

Cool. Zero of that has to do with your tangent on the recent airstrikes in Syria, and why they are inherently bad. And virtually everything of what you posted needs heavy citations (but don't bother at this point, none of that is relevant).

Again, stick to the kiddy pool, you're just flailing and screaming without presenting a coherent thought or argument. This is either bad faith shitposting or a legit mental hinderance. Try and do better.

As for pearl-clutching over civilian casualties, you'll be happy to know that Biden is directly involved in target picking depending on the possibilities of civilian deaths, and called off the 2nd round of strikes due to too many women and children present. Which shouldn't be surprising: Biden is a *devout* Catholic, so the sanctity of life is something he actually acts on.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/biden-syria-airstrike-2021-us-latest-b1812522.html

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CoorsLight posted...

I mean if Trump promised 600 and then 2000, but gave you 600 then 1400, I'm sure you'd be less accepting of it

I know Mead is the one who said he was okay with it but I do believe the campaign promise was disingenuous. Saying $2k checks didn't come with an asterisk that said "$1,400 in addition the previous $600"

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CoorsLight posted...

I mean if Trump promised 600 and then 2000, but gave you 600 then 1400, I'm sure you'd be less accepting of it

I was grateful for every dollar I got for covid relief under the trump administration and I expressed as much on this board, and I would again reiterate that anyone that was following the CARES act, which congress passed all the way back in May 2020 knew that when Biden was talking about how Americans deserved $2000 checks he was talking about the fact that the amount was reduced to $600 back in December. Whenever he was asked to clarify he explicitly stated that his goal was to support $1400 payments in the first covid relief bill of 2021.

I get what you are trying to say about staunch partisans but you are painting a false characterization of me as an individual which is simply inaccurate

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CyborgSage00x0 posted...

ubearable sarcasm

Cool. I wasn't talking about that. He shouldn't even be considering any airstrikes and should end the war immediately. Like the vast majority of Americans want him to do.

And they are still justifying all of their war strikes using the Iraq war. So yes, it is relevant, whether you are educated on the topic or not. A war that was illegal under international law to begin with, that is being used to justify completely unrelated airstrikes.

I'm am not happy to know he's cherry-picking what countries he's bombing illegally. If you want to declare war on another country you have to get approval from the Senate. There's a process here. The US government doesn't respect other countries enough to declare war on them before attacking them and instead "just does it". And what do we have to show for it? A middle east that's been bombed into a completely unstable and dangerous state. A multitrillion-dollar deficit.

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Yellow posted...

He shouldn't even be considering any airstrikes and should end the war immediately. Like the vast majority of Americans want him to do.

I would love for us to get out of all conflict and spend a lot less money on defense, but in reality I think decisions are more complicated and they arent up to the president alone

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Mead posted...

I would love for us to get out of all conflict and spend a lot less money on defense, but in reality I think decisions are more complicated and they arent up to the president alone

I mean.. He's the commander in chief. It's entirely up to him but he probably takes advice from a variety of experts.

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Mead posted...

I would love for us to get out of all conflict and spend a lot less money on defense, but in reality I think decisions are more complicated and they arent up to the president alone

It's not our job to be the world police. He has the power. It would go against everything we know about him if he did, because like you, he drank the "it's too complicated for you to possibly understand" koolaid.

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I think bringing up the wars here is kinda ad hominem but saying you don't keep a headspace for what happens in "kurzbonkistan" is really not a good look. I generally agree with most of your viewpoints Mead but I think you put too much stock into the idea that democrat leaders try their best and always act in good faith even if it doesn't get what you want

CoorsLight posted...

but saying you don't keep a headspace for what happens in "kurzbonkistan" is really not a good look.

I was literally just responding to yellow characterizing me as someone who constantly complains about middle eastern countries being bombed, something I do not do

CoorsLight posted...

I think you put too much stock into the idea that democrat leaders try their best and always act in good faith

Some do and some do not. Theyre a group of politicians after all. You really dont have much of an idea of what I think but I would appreciate it if you stopped with the personal attacks. If you want to point out the hypocrisy of a bunch of SJWs on Twitter or something then go do that.

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Yellow posted...

It's not our job to be the world police. He has the power. It would go against everything we know about him if he did, because like you, he drank the "it's too complicated for you to possibly understand" koolaid.

You really have a thing for putting random shit in other peoples mouths

Im far from an expert on middle eastern conflict and foreign policy in general so Ill trust that you know more about it than I do, but I also dont think its as simple as us just being able to flip a switch and instantly correct all mistakes of the past without causing a lot more harm as a consequence

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Jen0125 posted...

I mean.. He's the commander in chief. It's entirely up to him but he probably takes advice from a variety of experts.

I thought congress were the ones that decided who we are at war with? If Biden can just stop the conflict in the Middle East without doing more damage, then yes I think he should do that

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People should be allowed to wait for whatever they want

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Look Im probably wrong like I am half the time I post and Im certain I brought this on myself cause I can be a real ass sometimes.

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I think you need congress to "declare war" but I wouldn't be surprised if administrations started ignoring that too. Now they just authorize strikes which are marketed as isolated strategic moves rather than acts of war, which is insane. Been this way for years now

Yellow posted...

He shouldn't even be considering any airstrikes

What a ridiculous and naive claim. Airstrikes aren't inherently bad, and needs context, like anything else.

Yellow posted...

and should end the war immediately

It was a bombing in Syria against Iranian-backed militants, that suddenly attacked US forces first, neither of which has to do with Iraq/Afghanistan.

This is seriously like a middle-school level attempt to discuss geopolitics. Cease these piteous attempts at going so.

Mead posted...

I thought congress were the ones that decided who we are at war with? If Biden can just stop the conflict in the Middle East without doing more damage, then yes I think he should do that

Technically correct. The Last time the US formally declared war was for WWII. But obviously, a formal declaration isn't nor hasn't been needed in decades, by any country, to do stuff like the Iraq/Afgan invasions. Congress *DID* authorize the initial bombing campaign against Iraq, but it still wasn't a formal war declaration.

Obviously, this itself is problematic for a variety of reasons, but the US would still have troops stationed in the ME, meaning attacks by random militants (which occurred and inspired the US counter-attack) are something that would happen anyways. And it should be noted, the "war" against Iraq was completed and troops withdrawn 10 years ago, in 2011. Iraq also voted in 2020 for all foreign troops to leave the country. It shall be seen under Biden how that goes down.

As for Afghanistan, technically the "war" is still ongoing, but it should be noted that Afghanistan has been a NATO affair the entire time, not just a US one. And for the record, the recent agreement with the Taliban is supposed to drawn down US troop numbers there, so long as the Taliban agree to the terms.

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@Yellow @CoorsLight I would like to apologize to both of you. We all have our own views but I could use a lot of work in learning how to debate things in a more mature and less confrontational way.

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Small roll out. Why not expand it to all eligible democrat voters

I love seeing leftists suddenly realizing they've been grifted by the democrats again lmao. You're no better than Trump supporters making excuses for all his lies and false promises

Also, quit making excuses for the unprovoked actions of the US all over the middle east. Our leaders don't even bother with moral justifications anymore. We've long since accepted our government for what it is. Unabashed war criminals

Mead posted...

@Yellow @CoorsLight I would like to apologize to both of you. We all have our own views but I could use a lot of work in learning how to debate things in a more mature and less confrontational way.

Yeah that got pretty heated both ways but we're good

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Yellow posted...

Cool. I wasn't talking about that. He shouldn't even be considering any airstrikes and should end the war immediately. Like the vast majority of Americans want him to do.

And they are still justifying all of their war strikes using the Iraq war. So yes, it is relevant, whether you are educated on the topic or not. A war that was illegal under international law to begin with, that is being used to justify completely unrelated airstrikes.

I'm am not happy to know he's cherry-picking what countries he's bombing illegally. If you want to declare war on another country you have to get approval from the Senate. There's a process here. The US government doesn't respect other countries enough to declare war on them before attacking them and instead "just does it". And what do we have to show for it? A middle east that's been bombed into a completely unstable and dangerous state. A multitrillion-dollar deficit.

Maybe he will get a Nobel prize for it.

OhhhJa posted...

You're no better than Trump supporters making excuses for all his lies and false promises

hey look at you finally admitting what you've been doing all along

that's growth

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OhhhJa posted...

I love seeing leftists suddenly realizing they've been grifted by the democrats again lmao. You're no better than Trump supporters making excuses for all his lies and false promises

I think you're confusing leftist and liberal again. Leftists expected this kind of shit to happen but we really had no other choice

helIy posted...

hey look at you finally admitting what you've been doing all along

that's growth

Im sorry you can't admit when you've been grifted and need to deflect. I've spoken out against trump many times here but yes I do think democrats are even worse by a good margin

CoorsLight posted...

I think you're confusing leftist and liberal again. Leftists expected this kind of shit to happen but we really had no other choice

No I'm not. And if you threw your support behind someone you knew was lying to you then wow

That's not really the "gotcha" you think it is, that's just how voting in the US works. Especially not going to listen to a frequent Trump defender try to purity test me about being left enough

CoorsLight posted...

That's not really the "gotcha" you think it is, that's just how voting in the US works. Especially not going to listen to a frequent Trump defender try to purity test me about being left enough

Excepy that in reality, despite his words, bidens actions are probably more right wing than Trump

Yeah, I'm not dumb dude. I've seen enough of how you really think about certain issues that I'm not gonna be convinced the reason you think Trump is better than Biden/dems is because he's more left (which is a silly claim anyway).

I don't get why you won't just admit that you're a right winger instead of lying and trying to frame everything around your current audience, anyone who pays attention to the big picture can see the inconsistency

If Biden is more right wing than Trump why didn't you vote for Biden?

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I'm neither right nor left but I am libertarian yes

I'm guessing you want to end the wars overseas and on drugs, and are okay with gay rights. That's good but I'd be curious to what other views you hold that you think are "left". To me I think the overall view on those has shifted that if those are your main left wing views you're more populist right than libertarian nowadays. But libertarian is also a confusing term with some people identifying libertarian left or libertarian right and then there's capital L Libertarian which I'd consider to be pretty right wing especially economically

CoorsLight posted...

I'm guessing you want to end the wars overseas and on drugs, and are okay with gay rights.

Yes and also supportive of immigration as long as illegal immigration isn't encouraged by handing out welfare

OhhhJa posted...

Im sorry you can't admit when you've been grifted and need to deflect. I've spoken out against trump many times here but yes I do think democrats are even worse by a good margin

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nothing biden has done has bothered me

and the only thing you ever spoke out against trump on was when he didn't force states to ban wearing masks.

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To be a libertarian you really have to ignore pretty much all of human history

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Mead posted...

To be a libertarian you really have to ignore pretty much all of human history

Or lack common sense in general.

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helIy posted...

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nothing biden has done has bothered me

and the only thing you ever spoke out against trump on was when he didn't force states to ban wearing masks.

What? This never happened. Lying troll headass

Mead says as he has sat on his couch ignoring reality for the past 5 years while his wife works and pays their bills

OhhhJa posted...

Mead says as he has sat on his couch ignoring reality for the past 5 years while his wife works and pays their bills

I dont ignore it

I look at it sometimes and I simply dont see the appeal

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I'd also like to add that all that's really required to be a libertarian is strict adherence to the constitution. Most of the "libertarians" like Rand Paul aren't really libertarians. Most of what traditional libertarians stand for is just strict adherence to the constitution

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1369794867958800384

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Trump wants credit for his vaccine that he bribed the pharmaceutical companies to rush through the testing phase. Ok he can have it I guess

Good thing the J&J Vaccine had absolutely nothing to do with Trump and is the real game changer. 1 dose vs 2 doses, can be stored normally, cheaper to produce (half the price of Moderna), known to work on the variants at the time, and we purchased 200 million doses.

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