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What's your beef with landlords about?

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He wants everyone to be homeless

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PatternMind

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What was the cover joke of VOL I?

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Turbam posted...

What's your beef with landlords about?

They exploit people's need for shelter, whilst doing minimal (if any) work and contributing the bare minimum (often nothing) to society. To make matters worse, they gobble up more property than they need, freezing people out of the market and driving prices further up

They literally do. The alternative is:

1. buy your own home like a big boy

2. Good old government housing, which I've heard is just...awesome

Shut the fuck up with your bizzare anti landlord campaign. Just reeks of entitlement and broadcasts to the world you don't understand how any of it works, at all.


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PoundGarden posted...

They literally do. The alternative is:

1. buy your own home like a big boy

I have my own home already, I dont plan on hoarding any.

2. Good old government housing, which I've heard is just...awesome

It is if a society allocates its resources properly. There are plenty of countries with great public housing.

Shut the fuck up with your bizzare anti landlord campaign. Just reeks of entitlement and broadcasts to the world you don't understand how any of it works, at all.

Incorrect.

TL;DR: Landlording is the catalyst for a range of societal and economic woes. There are more than a few ways that this is viewed as bad by many people.

2 examples for now:

Many consider it morally corrupt to charge people for shelter purely for profit. As shelter is considered a need and requirement for life, profiteering off of it should not be something favored by society. Many people view essential needs as something that could or possibly should be provided, or, at minimum, not something people should be permitted to use as a means to "leech" off of other humans. The reason this should be frowned upon as a "role" individuals are allowed to perform is not only the moral aspect of preying on human life, but also the fact that landlords often have a very "fuck you, pay me" attitude when it comes to rent seeking. This is strongly evidenced by current events, when many people are low on income or otherwise displaced from work due to a pandemic (in other words - not their fault). It's not uncommon for people to be getting harassed or threatened by landlords with eviction and potential homelessness right now - be sure to factor in that many places may not be allowing new tenants currently or hiring, so rehoming or finding work may be difficult and homelessness would be likely. The worst part is that this is not a new behavior from landlords. Many behaved in this fashion prior to current events. We just get to see it more now because of the high number of people unable to pay.

The second and more economic reason, when keeping in mind the predatory nature of landlording ("fuck you, pay me"), is the coupled predatory nature of corporate run institutions a la banks/lenders ("fuck you, pay me or I take everything you own now and in the future or I put you in jail."). The reason your landlord is so predatory is likely because they were also preyed on. Lenders keep giving out high-risk, debt based loans. So the landlord is buying a house/apartment with money they don't have, and therefore ABSOLUTELY rely on rent to keep paying off the bank. This should also be frowned upon and has a direct line of effect on those they prey upon, and those their prey are preying on. It's a nasty cycle. How does this reflect the landlord issue rather than banking? Simply, it permits the existence of landlords, landlords in situations like this are nothing more than middle men between tenants and banks who truly own the property.

An argument would be: "But listen, if I spend my hard earned money- assuming I'm NOT taking out a debt based loan- on a building, I should be allowed to do with my property as I please. Besides, it's not like I force people to rent from me. They want to!" Here is why that's a weak argument. First off, I guarantee if you ask people if they'd rather NOT pay rent. They'd say yes. Second, they HAVE to pay for a livable space in nearly all instances. You can't just start building a home wherever you please for free - at least speaking as someone from the US. Third, you purchased property with the sole intent of profiting off of human basic needs. Gross.

This is where there comes contention among some leftists of many varieties; Where do realistic acceptable property rights begin and end? Should we secure basic needs for all people? How do we resolve this? Free housing? Community developed? State developed? What about covering costs of homebuilding and allowing self-build or people hire it out? What if we remove land rights and just divvied it up? Do we first tackle things that support landlords like lenders?

These examples ignore a huge amount of additional issues across the full range of social, economic, and political issues regarding renters, rights to life, trade, monopolizing violence, property, prison industry, and so on. Lots of reprehensible "systems" can be traced back to this topic, and nearly all of it relies on some person charging others for shelter.

If you'd like to read a little of what Marx had to say:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/rent.htm

It's such a garbage practice, even liberal economists recognize it as a type of market failure that should be eliminated as much as possible. Not that liberal politicians actually do anything about it, it's just funny that it's such a glaring flaw in the logic of capital that even the priests of capital can't really cover it up.

Even Adam fucking Smith was against rent-seeking.

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Then offer a spare room for someone to live in. And then advocate that your local municipality increase property taxes to provide for more public housing.

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K181 posted...

Then offer a spare room for someone to live in.

How does that address a systemic problem?

Thighon posted...

How does that address a systemic problem?

I edited my post to offer a systematic solution, but in the meantime anti landlord folks can help at least one person with a spare room.

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R1masher posted...

He wants everyone to be homeless

As a homeless person I agree with him. Fuck landlords. Theyre parasites.

K181 posted...

Then offer a spare room for someone to live in

Bold of you to assume anti-landlord people have that kind of luxury.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3emJNkMmnA&ab_channel=TobeyintheMCU

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Doe posted...

What was the cover joke of VOL I?

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Shablagoo posted...

I have my own home already, I dont plan on hoarding any.

It is if a society allocates its resources properly. There are plenty of countries with great public housing.

Incorrect.

TL;DR: Landlording is the catalyst for a range of societal and economic woes. There are more than a few ways that this is viewed as bad by many people.

2 examples for now:

Many consider it morally corrupt to charge people for shelter purely for profit. As shelter is considered a need and requirement for life, profiteering off of it should not be something favored by society. Many people view essential needs as something that could or possibly should be provided, or, at minimum, not something people should be permitted to use as a means to "leech" off of other humans. The reason this should be frowned upon as a "role" individuals are allowed to perform is not only the moral aspect of preying on human life, but also the fact that landlords often have a very "fuck you, pay me" attitude when it comes to rent seeking. This is strongly evidenced by current events, when many people are low on income or otherwise displaced from work due to a pandemic (in other words - not their fault). It's not uncommon for people to be getting harassed or threatened by landlords with eviction and potential homelessness right now - be sure to factor in that many places may not be allowing new tenants currently or hiring, so rehoming or finding work may be difficult and homelessness would be likely. The worst part is that this is not a new behavior from landlords. Many behaved in this fashion prior to current events. We just get to see it more now because of the high number of people unable to pay.

The second and more economic reason, when keeping in mind the predatory nature of landlording ("fuck you, pay me"), is the coupled predatory nature of corporate run institutions a la banks/lenders ("fuck you, pay me or I take everything you own now and in the future or I put you in jail."). The reason your landlord is so predatory is likely because they were also preyed on. Lenders keep giving out high-risk, debt based loans. So the landlord is buying a house/apartment with money they don't have, and therefore ABSOLUTELY rely on rent to keep paying off the bank. This should also be frowned upon and has a direct line of effect on those they prey upon, and those their prey are preying on. It's a nasty cycle. How does this reflect the landlord issue rather than banking? Simply, it permits the existence of landlords, landlords in situations like this are nothing more than middle men between tenants and banks who truly own the property.

An argument would be: "But listen, if I spend my hard earned money- assuming I'm NOT taking out a debt based loan- on a building, I should be allowed to do with my property as I please. Besides, it's not like I force people to rent from me. They want to!" Here is why that's a weak argument. First off, I guarantee if you ask people if they'd rather NOT pay rent. They'd say yes. Second, they HAVE to pay for a livable space in nearly all instances. You can't just start building a home wherever you please for free - at least speaking as someone from the US. Third, you purchased property with the sole intent of profiting off of human basic needs. Gross.

This is where there comes contention among some leftists of many varieties; Where do realistic acceptable property rights begin and end? Should we secure basic needs for all people? How do we resolve this? Free housing? Community developed? State developed? What about covering costs of homebuilding and allowing self-build or people hire it out? What if we remove land rights and just divvied it up? Do we first tackle things that support landlords like lenders?

These examples ignore a huge amount of additional issues across the full range of social, economic, and political issues regarding renters, rights to life, trade, monopolizing violence, property, prison industry, and so on. Lots of reprehensible "systems" can be traced back to this topic, and nearly all of it relies on some person charging others for shelter.

If you'd like to read a little of what Marx had to say:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/rent.htm

It's such a garbage practice, even liberal economists recognize it as a type of market failure that should be eliminated as much as possible. Not that liberal politicians actually do anything about it, it's just funny that it's such a glaring flaw in the logic of capital that even the priests of capital can't really cover it up.

Even Adam fucking Smith was against rent-seeking.

Whole lotta words to just say "WAAAAH" and "DERP". Nobody is interested in reading your anti capitalism bullshit.

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PoundGarden is the best 2020 alt, change my mind

The vast majority of landlords don't provide housing. They just buy up property that was already built and sell it back at outrageous prices.

They're basically home scalpers. Actually worse than scalpers, since despite paying for it, you don't actually own anything.

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Thighon posted...

PoundGarden is the best 2020 alt, change my mind

Its hilarious that I trigger you so much and couldn't care less about you.

"ALTS ALTS EVERYWHERE AAAHHHH!!!!"

Get help LMAO

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oh nvm he might just be rod. i don't know anyone else who freaks out with those weird all caps faux-rants

Thighon posted...

oh nvm he might just be rod. i don't know anyone else who freaks out with those weird all caps faux-rants

Believe what you want, idgaf and have no idea what "rod" is or means.
Sad that message bord drama is all some people have lol. Imagine being so paranoid and socially inept you think anyone who's opinion you disagree with is an "enemy" in disguise lmao.

Again, seek help. Paranoid delusions aren't healthy.

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PoundGarden posted...

bord

my son is also named bord

Squall28 posted...

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lmaooo

PoundGarden posted...

Whole lotta words to just say "WAAAAH" and "DERP". Nobody is interested in reading your anti capitalism bullshit.

Its weird that someone who cant be bothered to read a couple paragraphs thinks he is an authority on anything.

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Still don't think the moral reasoning here sticks at all - the argument usually consists of 'here look at this - there's some bad in it, is it TRULY good then'

the answer is no, no it's not altruistic in nature but I don't think anyone has ever made that claim either so

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I can see disliking landlords with 3+ properties but if someone wants to rent out their former home that's not a big deal

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"Renters rise up."

BignutzisBack posted...

I can see disliking landlords with 3+ properties but if someone wants to rent out their former home that's not a big deal

So they own a property that they don't live in, and use solely to rent out? That's called hoarding. You're only setting it at 3 because you have or intend to have 2 homes, right?

Hell yeah jumping straight to the memes this time

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The Trent posted...

Hell yeah jumping straight to the memes this time

THE_TRENT has RETURNED

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Reminder that TC called the CCP "based" for taking properties away from people.

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Thighon posted...

So they own a property that they don't live in, and use solely to rent out? That's called hoarding. You're only setting it at 3 because you have or intend to have 2 homes, right?

I have a starter home in a low COL area and intend to rent for years to come once I move

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BignutzisBack posted...

I have a starter home in a low COL area and intend to rent for years to come once I move

'yea' woulda done fine

Tc wants housing like the ccp provides for the uyghurs

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Shablagoo posted...

lmaooo

Its weird that someone who cant be bothered to read a couple paragraphs thinks he is an authority on anything.

Where did I claim to be an authority on anything? This is all basic stuff that most people accept and are perfectly fine with because they're not entitled children who think housing should be free and its wrong to make money lmao.

I'm not gonna waste time reading your bullshit thesis length rant when you cannot even wrap your head around a concept as simple as "landlords provide housing options and have to make a profit to do so in order for people to have places to, you know, live".

Grow up lol. Do you provide a free room to people in this house you suddenly claim to own?

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Thighon posted...

'yea' woulda done fine

no it wouldn't because I never intend to own 2 homes at any point in my life

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CouldBeAnAlt posted...

Tc wants housing like the ccp provides for the uyghurs

Nah TC denies that that genocide is occurring.

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BignutzisBack posted...

no it wouldn't because I never intend to own 2 homes at any point in my life

That's pedantic. Fine, rent an apt or condo or whatever you consider your loophole to be. You're holding onto a starter home and preventing someone/a family who'd actually need it from purchasing it and building equity. That's hoarding

Also, I forgot that about Shab, gross af :/

I'm out

Did you clean your room yet TC or are you too busy blaming others for your shortcomings?

Shablagoo posted...

I have my own home already, I dont plan on hoarding any.

It is if a society allocates its resources properly. There are plenty of countries with great public housing.

Incorrect.

TL;DR: Landlording is the catalyst for a range of societal and economic woes. There are more than a few ways that this is viewed as bad by many people.

2 examples for now:

Many consider it morally corrupt to charge people for shelter purely for profit. As shelter is considered a need and requirement for life, profiteering off of it should not be something favored by society. Many people view essential needs as something that could or possibly should be provided, or, at minimum, not something people should be permitted to use as a means to "leech" off of other humans. The reason this should be frowned upon as a "role" individuals are allowed to perform is not only the moral aspect of preying on human life, but also the fact that landlords often have a very "fuck you, pay me" attitude when it comes to rent seeking. This is strongly evidenced by current events, when many people are low on income or otherwise displaced from work due to a pandemic (in other words - not their fault). It's not uncommon for people to be getting harassed or threatened by landlords with eviction and potential homelessness right now - be sure to factor in that many places may not be allowing new tenants currently or hiring, so rehoming or finding work may be difficult and homelessness would be likely. The worst part is that this is not a new behavior from landlords. Many behaved in this fashion prior to current events. We just get to see it more now because of the high number of people unable to pay.

The second and more economic reason, when keeping in mind the predatory nature of landlording ("fuck you, pay me"), is the coupled predatory nature of corporate run institutions a la banks/lenders ("fuck you, pay me or I take everything you own now and in the future or I put you in jail."). The reason your landlord is so predatory is likely because they were also preyed on. Lenders keep giving out high-risk, debt based loans. So the landlord is buying a house/apartment with money they don't have, and therefore ABSOLUTELY rely on rent to keep paying off the bank. This should also be frowned upon and has a direct line of effect on those they prey upon, and those their prey are preying on. It's a nasty cycle. How does this reflect the landlord issue rather than banking? Simply, it permits the existence of landlords, landlords in situations like this are nothing more than middle men between tenants and banks who truly own the property.

An argument would be: "But listen, if I spend my hard earned money- assuming I'm NOT taking out a debt based loan- on a building, I should be allowed to do with my property as I please. Besides, it's not like I force people to rent from me. They want to!" Here is why that's a weak argument. First off, I guarantee if you ask people if they'd rather NOT pay rent. They'd say yes. Second, they HAVE to pay for a livable space in nearly all instances. You can't just start building a home wherever you please for free - at least speaking as someone from the US. Third, you purchased property with the sole intent of profiting off of human basic needs. Gross.

This is where there comes contention among some leftists of many varieties; Where do realistic acceptable property rights begin and end? Should we secure basic needs for all people? How do we resolve this? Free housing? Community developed? State developed? What about covering costs of homebuilding and allowing self-build or people hire it out? What if we remove land rights and just divvied it up? Do we first tackle things that support landlords like lenders?

These examples ignore a huge amount of additional issues across the full range of social, economic, and political issues regarding renters, rights to life, trade, monopolizing violence, property, prison industry, and so on. Lots of reprehensible "systems" can be traced back to this topic, and nearly all of it relies on some person charging others for shelter.

If you'd like to read a little of what Marx had to say:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/rent.htm

It's such a garbage practice, even liberal economists recognize it as a type of market failure that should be eliminated as much as possible. Not that liberal politicians actually do anything about it, it's just funny that it's such a glaring flaw in the logic of capital that even the priests of capital can't really cover it up.

Even Adam fucking Smith was against rent-seeking.

tl;dr

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Thighon posted...

That's pedantic. Fine, rent an apt or condo or whatever you consider your loophole to be. You're holding onto a starter home and preventing someone/a family who'd actually need it from purchasing it and building equity. That's hoarding

Also, I forgot that about Shab, gross af :/

I'm out

It's easy to spend other peoples money and tell them what to do with their property, isnt it? Only thing easier than spending your own money is spending someone else's lol.
Financial gatekeepers are pathetic lol, get a life dude.

Are you for fucking real

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SwiggitySwoogit posted...

Did you clean your room yet TC or are you too busy blaming others for your shortcomings?

You know the answer

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If you don't want a landlord then grow up and buy your own house.

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PoundGarden posted...

Where did I claim to be an authority on anything?

You are acting like you are right as a matter of course. I attempt to show you why you may be wrong, and you flippantly dismiss it outright.

This is all basic stuff that most people accept and are perfectly fine with because they're not entitled children who think housing should be free and its wrong to make money lmao.

Like here, for example. No, most people are not fine with giving a huge chunk of their income to someone whos only job in the equation is to own their home. Its the same relationship serfs had with feudal lords, who gave massive amounts of resources produced by their labor to their lords, out of some nebulous concept that the lords owned the land, for whatever reason.

Here are some choice quotes from Adam Smith, the Father of Capitalism, that Ill leave you with:

[Landlords] are the only one of the three orders whose revenue costs them neither labour nor care, but comes to them, as it were, of its own accord, and independent of any plan or project of their own. That indolence, which is the natural effect of the ease and security of their situation, renders them too often, not only ignorant, but incapable of that application of mind.

The landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for the natural produce of the earth.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/rent.htm

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AzurexNightmare posted...

tl;dr

Shablagoo posted...

TL;DR: Landlording is the catalyst for a range of societal and economic woes. There are more than a few ways that this is viewed as bad by many people.

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

If you don't want a landlord then grow up and buy your own house.

Right? I'm on #2 myself. Bought my first one 7 yrs ago, sold it for $80k profit and bought my current place cash and I don't feel a bit fucking bad about it nor should I.
Nobody helped me, I didn't have an amazing high paying job, I just got a realistic loan and picked a great area just as the market was recovering. Anyone can do it as long as their credit isn't shit, had the same employer a couple years, little debt and are realistic about what they can afford. It's not hard, but no, you're not going to own a nice place in the city working at Chipotle.

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So, all you landlords are evil types open your homes and property for people to just live in for free right?

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

If you don't want a landlord then grow up and buy your own house.

Yes because being poor is an issue of maturity sure.

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CommonJoe posted...

Yes because being poor is an issue of maturity sure.

In TC's case it is.

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