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KelpTheGreat 01/25/21 10:24:12 PM #1: |
Which is the most definitive comic strip of these options?
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Some strips are more obvious choices than others. Peanuts is obviously going to be P, Garfield is obviously going to be G. Both are worldwide phenomena whose popularity are undeniable. My problem is, many letters have quite a few notable comic strips, any of which could make it into iToons #500. And I can't decide how to rank them against each other. I thought it might be worth coming up with a formula that takes into account peak popularity, cultural impact, longevity, newspaper distribution, etc., but I have no idea how to make one that'd be fair. For example, look at the first two contenders below. The Far Side had a higher peak popularity, but The Family Circus has been around for over 4 times as long. The Far Side is often considered one of the funniest strips of all time, while The Family Circus has been unfunny for decades. Both have had a significant impact on American culture, in their own way. How do you compare those? My ultimate goal is to be able to say, "G is for Garfield," in the same way that you'd put in a children's alphabet book, "A is for Apple." Basically, a more-or-less definitive answer, one that no one can argue with. Putting "A is for Asbestos" in a children's alphabet book is technically accurate, but there were definitely better options. See what I mean? Anyway, I'm looking for help. Each of the strips in this poll have their own claim to fame, and I can't decide which one to use. The Contenders:
The winner of this poll won't automatically be the one I end up using, but will definitely influence the final decision. I'm mostly looking to spark discussion and get some feedback about the whole thing. Please leave a comment with your thoughts. --- Formerly The_Mighty_KELP. Finally got around to having my name changed! My comics: https://tinyurl.com/sromgkelp | https://tinyurl.com/itoonskelp ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tom Bombadil 01/25/21 10:25:55 PM #2: |
oh dang it's already time for my every couple years' remembering that mezzacotta exists
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FakeAccount3000 01/25/21 11:26:16 PM #3: |
Family Circus is terrible but its probably Family Circus. I still voted for Far Side.
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hylianknight3 01/26/21 2:51:04 AM #4: |
KelpTheGreat posted...
3. Flash Gordon: Published for 69 years. Nice. --- The azuarc of the contest universe is long, but it bends toward Guruship. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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azuarc 01/26/21 2:52:32 AM #5: |
One of the first two.
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Alanna82 01/26/21 10:42:11 AM #6: |
Foxtrot came to mind before I saw the poll, so I voted for that.
I tend to forget Far Side was in the papers, since I usually see it in collections of the comics. --- Don't mess with a Bunny! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChaosTonyV4 01/26/21 10:50:19 AM #7: |
Foxtrot was the first to come to mind, but I know its not correct.
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Bartzyx 01/26/21 10:51:46 AM #8: |
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Foxtrot was the first to come to mind, but I know its not correct. yeah, this. Family Circus has to be it, I think. Although Far Side is also probably worth discussing. --- At least your mother tipped well ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 01/26/21 10:52:46 AM #9: |
If it's just which one is the most well known to the general public, it's Family Circus.
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Ashethan 01/26/21 11:04:21 AM #10: |
I'd say Far Side.
I don't think length matters too much. I mean Calvin and Hobbes is probably THE C comic strip (I guess Cathy could have an argument) and it lasted only 10 years. Also Far Side sold more calenders than Family Circus sold compilations (Like 13 million vs 45 million) --- Board 8 Mafia Archive: ashchive.altervista.org ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MoogleKupo141 01/26/21 11:25:46 AM #11: |
Field, Garf
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colliding 01/26/21 12:03:18 PM #12: |
I don't like the usage of the word "definitive" here
but it's probably Family Circus. I would have said Far Side if it had been around longer. --- while you slept, the world changed ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 01/26/21 12:06:09 PM #13: |
This post in the topic you linked swayed me
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KelpTheGreat 01/26/21 1:11:52 PM #14: |
colliding posted...
I don't like the usage of the word "definitive" hereYeah, I hemmed and hawed between using "iconic," "most important," and a few other adjectives. But I think "definitive" works well for what I'm trying to accomplish. Jakyl25 posted... I would lean toward Far Side, because it changed the comics page to an extent that I doubt Family Circus ever didThis is probably true, but that's only within the last few decades. As I said in that topic, the problem is that there are many iconic strips from older generations. What about Flash Gordon? (BTW, there was a typo in my OP. Wikipedia says it was in 130 newspapers, not 100.) @Ashethan brought up The Far Side selling more calendars than The Family Circus selling collections, but if we look at media beyond the strip itself, Flash Gordon is more successful than those two put together. It had multiple movies, live-action tv shows, animated shows, radio plays, stage plays, video and tabletop games, novels, and even a ride at the World's Fair. But almost all of that was well before (I'm betting) most of the users on this board were born, and the property isn't really well-known today. --- Formerly The_Mighty_KELP. Finally got around to having my name changed! My comics: https://tinyurl.com/sromgkelp | https://tinyurl.com/itoonskelp ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Uglyface2 01/26/21 1:17:08 PM #15: |
I went with For Better or Worse, but I think that's more of a generational thing than anything definitive. I'm also glad that nobody voted for Funky Winkerbean because some of those strips still make me angry. (Seriously, choosing Tae Bo to beat up thugs instead of Tae Kwon Do or something, ANYTHING, better suited for combat? Burn in Hell, Batiuk.)
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KelpTheGreat 01/26/21 1:42:55 PM #16: |
Uglyface2 posted...
(Seriously, choosing Tae Bo to beat up thugs instead of Tae Kwon Do or something, ANYTHING, better suited for combat?)I don't read the strip and don't know what you're referencing, but isn't it more badass that they beat up thugs using an incredibly unsuitable method? What's more awesome: beating up thugs with nunchucks, or beating up thugs with two wet noodles tied together with a piece of yarn? =P --- Formerly The_Mighty_KELP. Finally got around to having my name changed! My comics: https://tinyurl.com/sromgkelp | https://tinyurl.com/itoonskelp ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KelpTheGreat 01/27/21 7:16:21 PM #17: |
Still looking for feedback and opinions, so I'll give this a bump.
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redrocket 01/27/21 7:51:27 PM #18: |
I have some feedback, but you probably wont like it.
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KelpTheGreat 01/28/21 6:52:40 PM #19: |
redrocket posted...
I have some feedback, but you probably wont like it.If it's criticism about my other, already-published Mezzacotta strips, that ship has sailed. XD But if it's about the proposed strip and the scope of this topic, I'd prefer to hear it. --- Formerly The_Mighty_KELP. Finally got around to having my name changed! My comics: https://tinyurl.com/sromgkelp | https://tinyurl.com/itoonskelp ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NFUN 01/28/21 6:57:54 PM #20: |
H better be Heathcliff
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redrocket 01/28/21 7:00:02 PM #21: |
KelpTheGreat posted...
If it's criticism about my other, already-published Mezzacotta strips, that ship has sailed. XD I just think that the one strip per letter of the alphabet deal is too gimmicky and a Top X strips of all time would be more meaningful. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KelpTheGreat 01/28/21 8:07:10 PM #22: |
redrocket posted...
I just think that the one strip per letter of the alphabet deal is too gimmicky and a Top X strips of all time would be more meaningful.Well, as I said in the forum thread that I linked: For #500, what I wanted to do was an unofficial sequel to #100, The Comic Alphabet, but with just syndicated newspaper comic strips (probably just US/UK strips).See, it's already been done before: https://www.mezzacotta.net/itoons/?comic=100 Also, doing a "Top X strips of all time" wouldn't really be a comic. That sort of thing would be better handled as an actual list/article, where you can go into detail about why each strip was important and stuff. Doing it this way is paying homage to the traditional children's alphabet books that many people grew up with, while also being interesting to look at in its own right. But that's just my opinion, and I appreciate you offering yours. One gimmick that #100 did that I'm not doing is finding a panel from the strip in question where the dialogue starts with the same letter. My strip is going to just be title panels (probably from Sundays) that have the strip's name. --- Formerly The_Mighty_KELP. Finally got around to having my name changed! My comics: https://tinyurl.com/sromgkelp | https://tinyurl.com/itoonskelp ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Big Bob 01/28/21 11:11:16 PM #23: |
I voted Foxtrot simply because it's the one I read the most of.
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KelpTheGreat 01/29/21 6:50:59 PM #24: |
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Foxtrot was the first to come to mind, but I know its not correct.Not at all. There's not really any "correct" answer to the question, which is why I'm having so much trouble in the first place. =P Whichever comic jumps immediately to mind is a perfect method of picking a suitable representative, like how many people will say "apple" if I ask them "A is for..." --- Formerly The_Mighty_KELP. Finally got around to having my name changed! My comics: https://tinyurl.com/sromgkelp | https://tinyurl.com/itoonskelp ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KelpTheGreat 01/31/21 3:24:34 AM #25: |
Giving this a bump.
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KelpTheGreat 02/01/21 6:07:58 PM #26: |
Last bump for this one. Gonna have to make a decision, then I'll start worrying about the other troublesome letters...
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