Current Events > CDPR fanboys unironically defending an epilepsy mechanic

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Jesus, this is such a bad topic
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Jesus, this is such a bad topic

I don't really think that's his fault.
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shockthemonkey posted...

scar the 1 posted...

I suppose you could say there's a bit of a difference between allergens that foodstuffs naturally contain and a feature specifically designed to cause a medical reaction added to a product for no good reason.

Seems like the most blatantly obvious distinction ever

It's an arbitrary distinction. They're both things with the potential to cause harm. They're both added to enhance the experience of the larger product. They're both invisible to people that they'd harm until they get harmed for the first time.
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It's a stupid thing that should just be patched out or altered. Easy fix, everyone wins. There's no real need for debate here.

Patch it out and fix it.

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harley2280 posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Jesus, this is such a bad topic

I don't really think that's his fault.

Oh yeah, nothing on TC, just the stuff that's been going on.
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Vyrulisse posted...

It's a stupid thing that should just be patched out or altered. Easy fix, everyone wins. There's no real need for debate here.

Patch it out and fix it.

Literally what they're doing. The argument at this point is if it should be optional or removed entirely, and if CDPR's response should be factored in before they get dragged through the mud.
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Corrupt_Power posted...

It's an arbitrary distinction. They're both things with the potential to cause harm. They're both added to enhance the experience of the larger product. They're both invisible to people that they'd harm until they get harmed for the first time.

Uh, allergens aren't necessarily added. Like, a peanut is a peanut. It's not added to anything to enhance anything. Not really sure I'd call that arbitrary. And furthermore, how exactly does a seizure-inducing sequence enhance the experience of playing Cyberpunk 2077?

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scar the 1 posted...

Uh, allergens aren't necessarily added. Like, a peanut is a peanut. It's not added to anything to enhance anything. Not really sure I'd call that arbitrary. And furthermore, how exactly does a seizure-inducing sequence enhance the experience of playing Cyberpunk 2077?

You simply can't enjoy a CDPR game without getting a seizure. Clearly we just don't understand the god-tier development work that went in.

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And another note: Generally, it's pretty prudent to actually actively test small children for allergies that could turn out to be lethal. I would expect most food products aimed at infants actually don't contain such allergens for obvious reasons.

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It seems to me that a lot of sci-fi devices, particularly animation scenes of turning on headsets often have bright flashing lights and patterns.

IPS is literally just flashing lights. Idk, seems like there certainly should have been an epilepsy warning, but the idea that it was designed after a particular IPS device, I would be skeptical.

Not that I give a shit about gamer drama.

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Imagine unironically thinking that a big game company has some weird ass agenda to purposefully induce seizures in people

CE is like an even shittier version of Twitter, but magnified ten fold because only like 30 people post here

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Samurontai posted...

Imagine unironically thinking that a big game company has some weird ass agenda to purposefully induce seizures in people

CE is like an even shittier version of Twitter, but magnified ten fold because only like 30 people post here

No one is actually saying they did it on purpose. But it's sad that a bunch of people would rather defend the fact the game induces seizures and argue against trying to fix the issue.

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Tmaster148 posted...

No one is actually saying they did it on purpose. But it's sad that a bunch of people would rather defend the fact the game induces seizures and argue against trying to fix the issue.

Doe posted...

Yeah all those other games where you put a visor over your eyes in first person that looks just like the medical equipment people use to literally induce seizures in people. Great mechanic in puyo puyo tetris

Drpooplol posted...

There's no way on planet fucking earth nobody in the decision-making chairs didn't know what that mechanic was.

You were saying?

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medical equipment people use to literally induce seizures

Wtf!? I'm looking into this, that can't be real

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vigorm0rtis posted...

It's not at all apt. It'd be hard to make a peanut brittle without peanuts, but flashing lights are never absolutely necessary, and an option to turn it off wouldn't "change the narrative."

This would be more like making something like a stew with a thousand ingredients and one of them is nut related. No its not necessary to the rest of the stew, and you could probably remove it or substitute it in a way thats completely harmless to those with nut allergies.

My thing here is how much responsibility does CDPR have to ensure the entirety of their game is safe to all?

Because how much of that should be caught by ESRB or whoever certifies games and should also be looking for these things.

Also, before you get your panties in a bunch that Im trying to absolve CDPR of all responsibilities, Im just highlighting the fact that there should be contingencies in place from third parties to catch these things. If youre in the business of pointing fingers (which I dont feel is helpful but you do you) you should be educated on whos all involved in making sure games are Properly vetted before they reach the public

Much like Im sure theres something in place for food products before they reach store shelves.

I also think to that whole hot coffee shit with GTA San Andreas where Rockstar got their peepee slapped for having files in the game that no regular gamer could access without third party exploits. This is a lot more complicated of an issue than you think it is. Toxic outrage is doing nothing to help your arguments.

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Tsuyoi3 posted...

Wtf!? I'm looking into this, that can't be real

Did you know there's a disorder where a person can't visually perceive motion, and there's a way to induce this with the use of magnetic stimulation? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akinetopsia

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SwayM posted...

My thing here is how much responsibility does CDPR have to ensure theyre making sure the entirety of their game is safe to all?

100%

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scar the 1 posted...

And another note: Generally, it's pretty prudent to actually actively test small children for allergies that could turn out to be lethal. I would expect most food products aimed at infants actually don't contain such allergens for obvious reasons.

You can be fatally allergic to almost anything, it's just some are more common than others. Nuts & shellfish are the two most common. There's also Celiac's which isn't strictly an allergy but can kill you just the same if you eat anything with wheat.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

You can be fatally allergic to almost anything, it's just some are more common than others. Nuts & shellfish are the two most common. There's also Celiac's which isn't strictly an allergy but can kill you just the same if you eat anything with wheat.

Sure, that's a good point! But still, food products for tiny infants tends to avoid some of the more common allergens, yes? Coeliac disease doesn't really seem to fit what I'm talking about though, well at least I haven't met any people with Coeliac disease who risk instant death by gluten, rather it's more of a long term thing. But your point stands anyway

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Hexenherz posted...

Did you know there's a disorder where a person can't visually perceive motion, and there's a way to induce this with the use of magnetic stimulation? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akinetopsia

I did not. Interesting read.
Did not find anything on google about medical devices used to induce seizures by the by.

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scar the 1 posted...

100%

Cite your sources. Because this is horse shit. First of all, you dont know the process for how games get certified. I know I dont personally and Im gonna hazard a guess youre not up to speed on it either. Obviously things fall through the cracks. And no one at the company or ESRB or whoever certifies games caught this either? So its all on CDPR. If the ESRB cleared this game and didnt advise there was flagrant nudity, even though CDPR gave them content with Nudity to vet, its no longer CDPRs problem that they didnt vet the game properly.

If the question is people need to be responsible for making sure games are safe to all you focusing the blame on one party involved when there are multiple is a clear indication youre pushing an agenda and not seeing the full picture. You should be also asking for better vetting processes. Putting this all on CDPR tells me this isnt an issue you actual care about. Its more about trying to attack a video game developer.

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SwayM posted...

First of all, you dont know the process for how games get certified. I know I dont personally and Im gonna hazard a guess youre not up to speed on it either. Obviously things fall through the cracks. And no one at the company or ESRB or whoever certifies games caught this either? So its all on CDPR. If the ESRB cleared this game and didnt advise there was flagrant nudity, even though CDPR gave them content with Nudity to vet, its no longer CDPRs problem that they didnt vet the game properly.

ERSB doesn't get a copy of the game to vet. They get a form filled in by the developers and video made by the developer, if CDPR didn't include information about the light sequence or show it in the video, it makes perfect sense why ERSB wouldn't bring it up.

scar the 1 posted...

Sure, that's a good point! But still, food products for tiny infants tends to avoid some of the more common allergens, yes? Coeliac disease doesn't really seem to fit what I'm talking about though, well at least I haven't met any people with Coeliac disease who risk instant death by gluten, rather it's more of a long term thing. But your point stands anyway

I mean more like there's always a small chance that no matter how much precaution you take, there's always a chance something will slip through the cracks.

In the case of CP2077 there's pretty much no excuse not to have the very first screen that pops up with a prompt that says something like "Seizure warning: (legal stuff). Would you like to disable these effects now? Yes/No"

The effects of video games causing seizures is pretty well documented at this point and many games far less flashy than CP2077 have had better warnings.


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JE19426 posted...

ERSB doesn't get a copy of the game to vet. They get a form filled in by the developers and video made by the developer, if CDPR didn't include information about the light sequence or show it in the video, it makes perfect sense why ERSB wouldn't bring it up.

This I knew, that companies have to produce a vertical slice of their game. On one hand it doesnt seem right to me that the ESRB doesnt receive a copy. Reviewers get a copy but not the people certify the game. I get they probably have a lot of games in a year to clear and this is done in the name of efficiency. It doesnt seem like the best process.

The reason I brought up GTA San Andreas was because there was content in that game locked in the game files that required third-party exploits to get to. To me thats no different than anything in the modding community, actually they are doing far more graphic things, and as a rule any game you can think of will have something if you look for it. Even the games that actually have sexual content like TLOU2 or Witcher 3, are you telling me they deserve an AO rating?

The knee jerk reaction from the ESRB GTA:SA was so severe that they pushed an Adult Only age warning while Rockstar rushed to delete all those files off the discs. Now patches and shit make this a different thing.

All Im asking is what is the ESRB there to do if not vet games to the best of their ability? Asking the developers to police their own game when it can be so easily for stupid little shit to be missed or whatever the case of GTASA was.

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Imagine being stupid enough to call this a "mechanic".

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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Imagine being stupid enough to call this a "mechanic".

Semantics won't make Cyberpunk 2077 not a dumpster fire lmfao

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SwayM posted...

Cite your sources. Because this is horse shit.

Sources for what? My opinions? I don't need a fucking source to conclude that if a publisher releases a game featuring a flashing sequence designed to induce seizures, they're 100% responsible. And I don't mean in the legal sense.

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scar the 1 posted...

Sources for what? My opinions? I don't need a fucking source to conclude that if a publisher releases a game featuring a flashing sequence designed to induce seizures, they're 100% responsible. And I don't mean in the legal sense.

SwayM posted...

f the question is people need to be responsible for making sure games are safe to all you focusing the blame on one party involved when there are multiple is a clear indication youre pushing an agenda and not seeing the full picture. You should be also asking for better vetting processes. Putting this all on CDPR tells me this isnt an issue you actual care about. Its more about trying to attack a video game developer.

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SwayM posted...

All Im asking is what is the ESRB there to do if not vet games to the best of their ability? Asking the developers to police their own game when it can be so easily for stupid little shit to be missed or whatever the case of GTASA was.

ESRB isn't some independent entity it's run by game developers studio. The purpose of the ESRB is to prevent the government from stepping in to regulate the games industry by having the games industry regulate it themselves. You'd have to convince games industry that something else is better.

Personally I think the age ratings used for the games industry are pretty silly. It's dumb as hell to me that so many games get an M rating, I think there should be a middle rating between T, and AO, and while M rating is sorta supposed to do that the fact there's only 1 year between the recommended ages for an M and AO rated game, and the fact that console manufacturers refuse to license AO rated games makes that impossible.

JE19426 posted...

ESRB isn't some independent entity it's run by game developers studio. The purpose of the ESRB is to prevent the government from stepping in to regulate the games industry by having the games industry regulate it themselves. You'd have to convince games industry that something else is better.

Personally I think the age ratings used for the games industry are pretty silly. It's dumb as hell to me that so many games get an M rating, I think there should be a middle rating between T, and AO, and while M rating is sorta supposed to do that the fact there's only 1 year between the recommended ages for an M and AO rated game, and the fact that console manufacturers refuse to license AO rated games makes that impossible.

I thought there used to something like that

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SwayM posted...

f the question is people need to be responsible for making sure games are safe to all you focusing the blame on one party involved when there are multiple is a clear indication youre pushing an agenda and not seeing the full picture. You should be also asking for better vetting processes. Putting this all on CDPR tells me this isnt an issue you actual care about. Its more about trying to attack a video game developer.

Hell yeah I'm pushing an agenda. That agenda is "If a company releases a harmful product, they should fix it and compensate the damages they caused". Sorry if that's too political for you

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SwayM posted...

Also, before you get your panties in a bunch that Im trying to absolve CDPR of all responsibilities, Im just highlighting the fact that there should be contingencies in place from third parties to catch these things. If youre in the business of pointing fingers (which I dont feel is helpful but you do you) you should be educated on whos all involved in making sure games are Properly vetted before they reach the public

I think a lot of this is due to experience. CDProjektRED haven't really developed many AAA games. Companies like Ubisoft and EA know how to properly vet this stuff before release.

But they're still a major corporation. They should be better than this. It's not really on some random third party to investigate games. It's on CDPR to find those third parties to do that job for them. If everyone else can do it so can CDPR.

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Bumping this to say that they apparently patched it today and reduced the intensity and amount of flashing and put in a new epilepsy warning

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DezDroppedFreak posted...

Bumping this to say that they apparently patched it today and reduced the intensity and amount of flashing and put in a new epilepsy warning

The 'hotfix' patch is like 1.4 GB. Which is pretty insane for a game that just came out.

Still good that they fixed this issue.

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Tmaster148 posted...

DezDroppedFreak posted...

Bumping this to say that they apparently patched it today and reduced the intensity and amount of flashing and put in a new epilepsy warning

The 'hotfix' patch is like 1.4 GB. Which is pretty insane for a game that just came out.

Still good that they fixed this issue.

How is that insane? Hotfix doesn't mean small, it means focused on specific fixes instead of new features, and fast-tracked to get released ASAP.
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Corrupt_Power posted...

How is that insane? Hotfix doesn't mean small, it means focused on specific fixes instead of new features, and fast-tracked to get released ASAP.

Because needing to fix so many things immediately after release means they intentionally sold people a broken game.


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Tmaster148 posted...

Because needing to fix so many things immediately after release means they intentionally sold people a broken game.

Ah, so you either have no idea what you're talking about, or are trolling. Duly noted and ignored.
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Tmaster148 posted...

Because needing to fix so many things immediately after release means they intentionally sold people a broken game.

Good lord you have agenda to push.

They didnt hurt you. Idk what killed your family dog. But it wasnt CDPR.

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CDPR fanboys are funny. They get sold a broken product and then get mad at people pointing it out.

It's like they want to be abused.

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It must be exhausting being so willfully ignorant and thinking everyones out to get you.

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Tmaster148 posted...

CDPR fanboys are funny. They get sold a broken product and then get mad at people pointing it out.

It's like they want to be abused.

the biggest fuck you from the devs was knowing how broken the gen 8 games were and putting a block to reviewers showing any footage. its a scam and they should be made to recall and refund.

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SwayM posted...

It must be exhausting being so willfully ignorant and thinking everyones out to get you.

You just summed up your entire existence on CE, bud.

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Tmaster148 posted...

Corrupt_Power posted...

How is that insane? Hotfix doesn't mean small, it means focused on specific fixes instead of new features, and fast-tracked to get released ASAP.

Because needing to fix so many things immediately after release means they intentionally sold people a broken game.

That's quite a leap of logic
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