Current Events > Military secret police kidnapping innocent people off the streets in Portland

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Stop acting like "BLM/antifa" is some boogeyman terrorist group. This isn't some organized plot to overthrow the government, these are AVERAGE CITIZENS who are out there rioting, for better or for worse. And acting like it's ok to just disappear political dissenters, which is what YOU are doing, exacerbates the issue. That is what they are protesting against.
If you want to condemn the protestors and their actions, fine. If you want to support legal arrests against them, fine. But between 'totally allowing rioters to go nuts' and 'kidnapping random people off the street' there exists many options. You don't have to fall to extreme anarchy or extreme fascism.

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If they don't identify themselves as police or explain their justification for detaining you then it's a kidnapping and you are justified in shooting them.

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To be fair...none of the people were disappeared, right? they interviewed them and nothing even happened to them. That does seem different from how it goes in Russia, doesnt it?

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HHH is the game posted...

To be fair...none of the people were disappeared, right? they interviewed them and nothing even happened to them. That does seem different from how it goes in Russia, doesnt it?

It's intimidation to the nth degree. They may be releasing people now but who's to say how many they haven't released or have gotten to waive their rights out of fear of violence from the people abducting them. It's to intimidate protesters from using their 1st amendment right because Trump and his cronies want to stamp down all political dissent.

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HHH is the game posted...

To be fair...none of the people were disappeared, right? they interviewed them and nothing even happened to them. That does seem different from how it goes in Russia, doesnt it?

At what point does it stop becoming ok for you?

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HHH is the game posted...

To be fair...none of the people were disappeared, right? they interviewed them and nothing even happened to them. That does seem different from how it goes in Russia, doesnt it?

Does the Constitution say it's fine for unmarked, unidentified federal police to arrest you without charge and detain you for indefinite periods? That doesn't seem like nothing to me. It's illegal even under our current crappy, pro-police laws. I guess you'd be fine with it if the police did that to you, since so long as they don't actually throw you out of a helicopter?

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

At what point does it stop becoming ok for you?

It's always moving goalposts.

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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

It's to intimidate protesters from using their 1st amendment right because Trump and his cronies want to stamp down all political dissent.

The 1st amendment says to loot or destroy other peoples properties?

Didn't know the left cared about old amendments anyway?

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Someone getting abducted by strange people in camo and then throwing them into an unmarked van for wearing black cannot be justified

How do we know they aren't kidnappers?

tm315 posted...

Someone getting abducted by strange people in camo and then throwing them into an unmarked van for wearing black cannot be justified

How do we know they aren't kidnappers?

Yea like how do we know they're connected to the G anyway.

Maybe they're just extreme trolls.

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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

How does opposing the looting and destroying make someone a blackshirt?

When you support federal secret police rounding up your political enemies or even just people associated with or who could be mistaken for your political enemies, that's blackshirt shit. That's exactly what you're doing here, hence the label.

Even conceding for the sake of argument that each and every one of these people were rioting and looting, federal secret police is an illegal and authoritarian response to that. Supporting that is blackshirt shit. It's proof that it's not about law and order for you, because this violates the law, it's about seeing your political and social enemies hurt and punished by whatever means necessary.

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Let me spell it out even more clearly. If police had proof that these specific individuals were rioting and looting, regular, local, identified police could have arrested them and charged them with specific acts they say they have proof of.

That's not what happened here. So they either had proof, but decided not to send the regular police or they had no proof and sent unmarked, unaccountable, secret police to kidnap people and throw them into vans.

If they didn't have proof, they simply had to go off things like "wearing black" or "looking like Antifa" or simply protesting.

Everything from the start of the second paragraph on is fascism. If you support it, you're supporting fascism, whether you frame it as being anti rioter and looter or some other way. The vast majority of people are anti riots, yet only a subset cheer the onset of fascism. Stop, there's still time to get off this road you're going down.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

If they don't identify themselves as police or explain their justification for detaining you then it's a kidnapping and you are justified in shooting them.

ok nobody do this lol.

I know everyone on this board is like freaking out. But its pretty common for unmarked units to make arrest. The subject was taken to a protester held spot and then released. Its most likely that specific person was an agitator at the protest or committed some type of crime. Instead of risking during the protest they make the arrest after.

some of you guys are acting a little crazy talking about kidnapping lol

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darkprince45 posted...

ok nobody do this lol.

I know everyone on this board is like freaking out. But its pretty common for unmarked units to make arrest. The subject was taken to a protester held spot and then released. Its most likely that specific person was an agitator at the protest or committed some type of crime. Instead of risking during the protest they make the arrest after.

some of you guys are acting a little crazy talking about kidnapping lol

Why am I not surprised you jump in to defend unmarked federal agents grabbing people off the streets?

Oh thats right, youre the same cop who also just made a topic about seeing someone shoot themselves in front of you, and summed it up by saying lol gonna go play league of legends now.

These are the types of people defending whats going on in Portland, CE. Take note.

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1. im not defending anyone just saying people are overreacting
2. thats not how that it went. Multiple people told you, you were wrong and you had a meltdown

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darkprince45 posted...

1. im not defending anyone just saying people are overreacting
2. thats not how that it went. Multiple people told you, you were wrong and you had a meltdown

Thats exactly what it said in your OP, dawg. Dont even try and deny it lmao

But keep defending unmarked police snatching up people on the streets. Its a good look for someone such as yourself

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MFBKBass5 posted...

Thats exactly what it said in your OP, dawg. Dont even try and deny it lmao

But keep defending unmarked police snatching up people on the streets. Its a good look for someone such as yourself

Nobody said lol or was making a joke about. It was a topic about how traumatic events are just normalized. Again multiple told you that. You were on an island by yourself having a meltdown.

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darkprince45 posted...

ok nobody do this lol.

I know everyone on this board is like freaking out. But its pretty common for unmarked units to make arrest. The subject was taken to a protester held spot and then released. Its most likely that specific person was an agitator at the protest or committed some type of crime. Instead of risking during the protest they make the arrest after.

some of you guys are acting a little crazy talking about kidnapping lol

If I am on the street and an unmarked vehicle stops and people jump out and grab me without identifying themselves as police and do not inform me of why I'm being detained that is kidnapping, in a stand your ground state that is grounds for using lethal force to defend yourself.

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Bootlickers out in full force cheering for fascism

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darkprince45 posted...

Nobody said lol or was making a joke about. It was a topic about how traumatic events are just normalized. Again multiple told you that. You were on an island by yourself having a meltdown.

your OP literally said gonna go play league of legends lol


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darkprince45 posted...

ok nobody do this lol.

I know everyone on this board is like freaking out. But its pretty common for unmarked units to make arrest. The subject was taken to a protester held spot and then released. Its most likely that specific person was an agitator at the protest or committed some type of crime. Instead of risking during the protest they make the arrest after.

some of you guys are acting a little crazy talking about kidnapping lol

constitution says smoke em if you got em, pig

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ScazarMeltex posted...

If I am on the street and an unmarked vehicle stops and people jump out and grab me without identifying themselves as police and do not inform me of why I'm being detained that is kidnapping in a stand your ground state that is grounds for using lethal force to defend yourself.

it all depends on the policy. My policy says I have to inform the person at some point when its safe to do so. Which means I can wait until jail and do it.. its def not kidnapping or a constitutional right violation. They couldve immediately told her in the vehicle


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It's been rather interesting to see the militia/fight the government/stay armed crowd, the ones who cheered on Cliven Bundy when his clan occupied federal land in a month long stand off, cheer on military police firing on protesters outside the Capitol and using unmarked, unidentifiable federal forces to literally snatch up innocent civilians off the street at night

GOP has them that well trained

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MFBKBass5 posted...

your OP literally said gonna go play league of legends lol

again youre just lying. If you just want to lie about stuff I think its you go back to the block list. Its obvious you arent ever having a productive conversation but rather just lie and insult until you get your weekly warning

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darkprince45 posted...

again youre just lying. If you just want to lie about stuff I think its you go back to the block list. Its obvious you arent ever having a productive conversation but rather just lie and insult until you get your weekly warning

Not lying, but continue to deny it. We all say it dawg. Not surprising the guy who sees a suicide and decides to immediately come to CE to laugh it off is also the same person defending unmarked units snatching up civilians off the street.

Ohhhh no youre gonna block me? You sure do have a lot of people on that list. I know being called out constantly must be hard on your fragile ego.


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MFBKBass5 posted...

Not lying, but continue to deny it. We all say it dawg. Not surprising the guy who sees a suicide and decides to immediately come to CE to laugh it off is also the same person defending unmarked units snatching up civilians off the street.

Ohhhh no youre gonna block me? You sure do have a lot of people on that list. I know being called out constantly must be hard on your fragile ego.

nah, but its shown that you have nothing to contribute but lies. A person like that isnt worth wasting my breath or time.

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Wholly unsurprising to see darkprince in here spouting his usual garbage.

darkprince45 posted...

nah, but its shown that you have nothing to contribute but lies. A person like that isnt worth wasting my breath or time.

I know cops dont like opposition. Must be hard for you here on CE.

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Yes, because not having a meltdown over two officers with police on their uniforms, casually and without force arrested somebody and then released the person. In reality, theres no big difference because the car wasnt a black and white lol

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_Rinku_ posted...

Wholly unsurprising to see darkprince in here spouting his usual garbage.

Hes got half of CE on block probably at this point

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Not surprised the pig supports fascism

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Yes, fascism is arresting somebody that had committed crimes during the protest and then was apprehended later when it was safe. But of course, if they did something to him during the protest it would be another topic:.

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Every single person on the board should have darkprince on ignore
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god forbid someone say anything that isnt isnt based entirely on thoughtless emotion!

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Every single person on the board should have darkprince on ignore

but I love having all of my thoughts on police confirmed by seeing his insights lmao

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Notice, not one person has actually challenged anything I said reference the guy previously committing a crime during the protest and being apprehended later and safely, then released. Something you guys were clamoring during the Atlanta incident, to later apprehend when its safe. Its exactly what was done and you guys are still outraged.

instead Im blasted by the same 2-3 posters calling me a pig and to ignore me lmao

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police HATE this new policy in the United States! it's called the 4th amendment, jerk

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darkprince45 posted...

Notice, not one person has actually challenged anything I said reference the guy previously committing a crime during the protest and being apprehended later and safely, then released. Something you guys were clamoring during the Atlanta incident, to later apprehend when its safe. Its exactly what was done and you guys are still outraged.

instead Im blasted by the same 2-3 posters calling me a pig and to ignore me lmao

ive never called you a pig or said to ignore you. Youre my friend dp


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What is the rationale behind supporting things like this? With tactics like this, nobody knows if the unmarked van that comes for them is police or kidnappers. You don't think human traffickers operate this way? There is no excuse for the lack of transparency either. If you have enough evidence to arrest someone, wear a uniform with identification read the suspect their rights, and arrest them. Stuffing people into vans is 3rd world dictatorship shit.

Just don't break any laws, and the strange men in the unmarked vans (some of which might not even be any kind of law enforcement) won't come for you? Stop and think about this for a minute. Really think about it.

darkmaian23 posted...

What is the rationale behind supporting things like this? With tactics like this, nobody knows if the unmarked van that comes for them is police or kidnappers. You don't think human traffickers operate this way? There is no excuse for the lack of transparency either. If you have enough evidence to arrest someone, wear a uniform with identification read the suspect their rights, and arrest them. Stuffing people into vans is 3rd world dictatorship shit.

Just don't break any laws, and the strange men in the unmarked vans (some of which might not even be any kind of law enforcement) won't come for you? Stop and think about this for a minute. Really think about it.

but its police policy to snatch anyone up and tell them AFTER theyre detained that theyre cops. Because that makes it ok

-darkprince

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This is why citizens should have guns.

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WOW I'm so late to this. Does anyone have a tldr?

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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

What else is there for anyone to do?

Militarized police harassing people vs BLM or Antifa disrupting people lives, looting, smashing or burning businesses and property up.

Ah yes, people forget that Americans value property over lives

ACLU is now suing the trump admin over using these secret police in Portland. Wow.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/07/18/end-unconstitutional-nightmare-aclu-sues-trump-administration-over-use-secret-police

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A outside federal agency is most likely not going to have access to marked patrol units. Either way( they had police readily identifiable on their uniforms and made a probable cause arrest m. Probable cause stemming from earlier during the protest

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Classic Portland.

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darkprince45 posted...

A outside federal agency is most likely not going to have access to marked patrol units. Either way( they had police readily identifiable on their uniforms and made a probable cause arrest m. Probable cause stemming from earlier during the protest

Anyone can write police on their uniforms

There's no proof of probable cause, so idk why you're bringing it up

uwa ej posted...

Ah yes, people forget that Americans value property over lives

Guess you don't have or own any property or business?

Even if you don't it's still not fun to have to jump up at every strange noise at night wondering if some protesters have made it to your area to burn it down or smash it up.

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MFBKBass5 posted...

Thats because hes a dumbass.

that explains it. I confirm and understand

Actions have consequences?? Dang. Poor protestors.

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