Current Events > Military secret police kidnapping innocent people off the streets in Portland

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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

Guess you don't have or own any property or business?

Even if you don't it's still not fun to have to jump up at every strange noise at night wondering if some protesters have made it to your area to burn it down or smash it up.

Mental gymnastics trying to cling to systemically racist systems.

WashYourHands posted...

Click bait

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darkprince45 posted...

1. im not defending anyone just saying people are overreacting
2. thats not how that it went. Multiple people told you, you were wrong and you had a meltdown

.. masked, unidentified police dressed and equipped as paramilitary groups abduct people and take them blindfolded to unidentified locations.

gee, why would people overreact? This is totally western and democratic!

evil_zombie11 posted...

Actions have consequences?? Dang. Poor protestors.

While the rioters should face legal justice, unless they're known to be actively planning something, I don't see the need for these snatch and grab tactics against them.

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tm315 posted...

Anyone can write police on their uniforms

There's no proof of probable cause, so idk why you're bringing it up

the DHS has a statement about his actions earlier. Of course a 20 second twitter video isnt going to tell you

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Hereby I call out @darkprince45 and @evil_zombie11 .

let us have a smart, unemotional debate about this. Let us argue using facts and reason, not emotion or race (this goes especially to dp).

please do explain to me why having unmarked, unidentified paramilitary groups taking citizens blindfolded to undisclosed locations is compatible with our western, supposedly democratic rule of law and institutions. Keep in mind the Karens you support insist that the wearing face masks is considered a violation of civil rights to them.

darkprince45 posted...

the DHS has a statement about his actions earlier. Of course a 20 second twitter video isnt going to tell you

Their bulls*** statement isn't proof

tm315 posted...

Their bulls*** statement isn't proof

well, theres literally nothing else to go off. So This conversation is pointless. The DHS statement is that person had committed crimes earlier during the protest and was safely apprehended afterwards then released. If this is a lie, then I will admit I am wrong.

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Why is DP not responding to post 107?

Ive given my opinion on the matter already

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darkprince45 posted...

well, theres literally nothing else to go off. So This conversation is pointless. The DHS statement is that person had committed crimes earlier during the protest and was safely apprehended afterwards then released. If this is a lie, then I will admit I am wrong.

even if he did, he is supposed to be properly arrested, by actual cops in uniform, following procedure.

1) why the fuck was be blindfolded, taken to an undisclosed location and not read his rights?

2) where is the arrest warrant? People can get arrested either when theyre caught in the act, when theyre in hot pursuit after the act or when there is a warrant. Dude did something wrong at some day wont cut it.

3) what keeps groups you guys sympathize with, such as the proud boys, the boogaloo bois or atomwagfen (spelling) from dressing up in paramilitary gear and doing the same to others?

darkprince45 posted...

Ive given my opinion on the matter already

you have not supported it with facts

Reality_check posted...

Why is DP not responding to post 107?

Because they know fascism is bad, and know they shouldn't support fascism, but they support fascism or at least fascist actions and don't want to be forced to defend their views and maybe realize that they support fascism. That goes for @darkprince45 @PrettyBoyFloyd and @evil_zombie11 and is why they also didn't respond to my post. They can't without going full mask off, which is game over for these types.

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This is the regime that criminalizes crossing the border and takes children away from their families and puts them in cages. Scary stuff but keep perspective. They want us to lose our cool and forget that we are fighting for a decent infrastructure, jobs, housing. For all.

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legendary_zell posted...

Because they know fascism is bad, and know they shouldn't support fascism, but they support fascism or at least fascist actions and don't want to be forced to defend their views and maybe realize that they support fascism. That goes for @darkprince45 @PrettyBoyFloyd and @evil_zombie11 and is why they also didn't respond to my post. They can't without going full mask off, which is game over for these types.

i dont understand why the mods are cool with DPs trolling. He clearly spends way too much time here trying to provoke others to respond negatively to him so he can mark them, and then he spends even more time here defending horrible things, like, if there a post like cop rapes woman and films it the guy would probably defend it too.

he clearly holds resentment towards large sectors of society

Reality_check posted...

even if he did, he is supposed to be properly arrested, by actual cops in uniform, following procedure.

1) why the f*** was be blindfolded, taken to an undisclosed location and not read his rights?

2) where is the arrest warrant? People can get arrested either when theyre caught in the act, when theyre in hot pursuit after the act or when there is a warrant. Dude did something wrong at some day wont cut it.

3) what keeps groups you guys sympathize with, such as the proud boys, the boogaloo bois or atomwagfen (spelling) from dressing up in paramilitary gear and doing the same to others?

1. what is properly arrested. There is no properly arrested. Unmarked units make arrests all the time. So do detectives that drive unmarked impalas. Just because you dont have a black and white doesnt make it an unlawful arrest.
2. id love to get more info on this blindfold thing. If its true, I could see it being due to OPSEC to keep away the protestors from barging in the staging location for arrestees.
3. you dont need an arrest warrant. Ive arrested someone for probable cause charges 3 months later without a warrant. Probable cause =\= arrest warrant. So yes, it does cut it just because you dont catch someone during the act of the crime doesnt mean it disappears
4. i or anyone in my department have never sympathized with any political group Or militia . What other officers might have done in other cities is something I would not know or could do anything about

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Doe posted...

This is why citizens should have guns.

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Reality_check posted...

i dont understand why the mods are cool with DPs trolling. He clearly spends way too much time here trying to provoke others to respond negatively to him so he can mark them, and then he spends even more time here defending horrible things, like, if there a post like cop rapes woman and films it the guy would probably defend it too.

he clearly holds resentment towards large sectors of society

definitely got the old chip on the shoulder. most cops do in some form or fashion. he uses the minority label for himself a lot. also grew up near/in Chicago iirc which is a breeding ground for resentment against black people.

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Heads up to Acting Secretary Chad Wolf

You could repaint the buildings, dumb butt!

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This makes Biden look good. This makes Biden look awesome.

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Arresting people isnt like TV. Where they calmly place their hands behind their back and you start reading Miranda. Most of the time, theyre placed into custody and then at jail is where everything is briefed.

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DP literally has to do what he's doing (besides not posting at all). His system is so corrupt, that anyone who shows even the slightest bit of humanity gets branded a traitor and the rest of the gang does to him what they do to everyone else.

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Let me sum up darkprince for everyone



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berlyman101 posted...

definitely got the old chip on the shoulder. most cops do in some form or fashion. he uses the minority label for himself a lot. also grew up near/in Chicago iirc which is a breeding ground for resentment against black people.

i dont have any chip on my shoulder lol. Im one of the nicest most relaxed people youll ever meet. There users are on this board that have met me irl that could attune to that. Ive let CEmen stay at my house before lol. For the job, I treat everyone humanely and respectfully. I have 0 complaints in 4 years except the time my buddy lost someones ID that was my prisoner. But it was found and I personally delivered it to his wife at their residence.

i literally have nothing against black people im not even sure why youre bringing them up in this topic anyways lol. Again, like you said, I grew up in south side Chicago where my friends were either black or Hispanic. And I dont know what this minority label is. Its what I am, its not a label lol.

as for the trolling, its not trolling. I just have an actual understanding of tactics and policies but everyone wants to have meltdowns instead. Im not sure why Im being victim blamed for you guys being modded for insulting or derogatory insults. If you cant control your emotions or anger thats a personal issue and not my fault

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Doom_Art posted...

Let me sum up darkprince for everyone

do I lick my own boots? How can the actual boot be a boot locker? Do I bend over and lick my boots? Or do you think I take the boot first and then lick?

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darkprince45 posted...

1. what is properly arrested. There is no properly arrested. Unmarked units make arrests all the time. So do detectives that drive unmarked impalas. Just because you dont have a black and white doesnt make it an unlawful arrest.
2. id love to get more info on this blindfold thing. If its true, I could see it being due to OPSEC to keep away the protestors from barging in the staging location for arrestees.
3. you dont need an arrest warrant. Ive arrested someone for probable cause charges 3 months later without a warrant. Probable cause =\= arrest warrant. So yes, it does cut it just because you dont catch someone during the act of the crime doesnt mean it disappears
4. i or anyone in my department have never sympathized with any political group Or militia . What other officers might have done in other cities is something I would not know or could do anything about

1) yes, unmarked impalas. POLICE IMPALAS. You just dont hop into your moms minivan and get ready for some arrests. These are not police vehicles.

2) read the tweets, the suspect had a beanie and they folded it down to his face so he couldnt see.
this is a regular dude walking down the street, not some elite soldier, whats with the OPSEC reasoning? When youre arrested youre supposed to be taken to the police, not some secret Guantanmo shit.

3) what is the probable cause on a guy waking down the street and whose face you cannot see? Sure, they can dig and find out he did a stuff in the past AFTER THE FACT.

4) come on bro, your reply was reasonable until point 4 . Youre hard right AF

People in Portland don't protest because they care, they protest because they like to protest. It's like a hobby to them. I feel no sympathy that the feds are arresting them.

Reality_check posted...

1) yes, unmarked impalas. POLICE IMPALAS. You just dont hop into your moms minivan and get ready for some arrests. These are not police vehicles.

there are literally tons of unmarked minivans in my department. Theres even a whole unit that goes after violent offenders in unmarked cars and plain clothes that arent police vehicles. Not all policing is done in black and whites.

i would say in this time OPSEC is important. The violent anti police Protesting is pretty rampant right now

you dont think they track people? During the protest I worked, our cameras and higher ups would point out the agitators and pick them up afterwards or even at their homes the next day for whatever crime they committed


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Just because how you do it is like this doesn't mean it isn't fascist as fuck and very questionably legal

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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

Just because how you do it is like this doesn't mean it isn't fascist as fuck and very questionably legal

its not ideal. But its not kidnapping or any other crazy thing people are spouting.


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darkprince45 posted...

Arresting people isnt like TV. Where they calmly place their hands behind their back and you start reading Miranda. Most of the time, theyre placed into custody and then at jail is where everything is briefed.

In Chicago cops are not required to show ID. And they do not show ID. Plainclothes can arrest you without proving that they are cops.

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darkprince45 posted...

its not ideal. But its not kidnapping or any other crazy thing people are spouting.

the point is it's indistinguishable from a kidnapping. jfc, just provide identification. you literally have badges that give you special privileges. what's so fucking hard about using them to make sure everything is legitimate?

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Idk how anyone can watch "officers", who look like they're apart of desert storm, arrest people like that and be ok with it.

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Medussa posted...

the point is it's indistinguishable from a kidnapping. jfc, just provide identification. you literally have badges that give you special privileges. what's so fucking hard about using them to make sure everything is legitimate?

they had readily identifiable police tag on their uniforms. If you dont believe that, why would a badge that just anyone could get make a difference? Just because a twitter user is outraged? The person was detained lawfully and read Miranda, so it sounds like through the entire thing they were vocal and cooperative with the subject and he was informed what happened through the whole process. Just because the twitter mob was not informed...


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justaguy3492 posted...

Idk how anyone can watch "officers", who look like they're apart of desert storm, arrest people like that and be ok with it.

Theres, literally protests that are becoming violent. You are wondering why police are tactically equipped during what is essentially a mini war right now? Im not sure why you guys are so fixated on what theyre wearing during this. What does it matter, the person was calmly taken into custody without any force used. Does it matter what shirt they had on you guys that muchV

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What's stopping Joe Schmo and his buddies from buying a paramilitary outfit on Amazon, writing Police on it in big bold letters, and driving around in a mini van abducting random people? Cause supposedly this is ok and enough identification to you.

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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

What's stopping Joe Schmo and his buddies from buying a paramilitary outfit on Amazon, writing Police on it in big bold letters, and driving around in a mini van abducting random people? Cause supposedly this is ok and enough identification to you.

What's to stop them from making fake IDs?

NinjaWarrior455 posted...

What's stopping Joe Schmo and his buddies from buying a paramilitary outfit on Amazon, writing Police on it in big bold letters, and driving around in a mini van abducting random people? Cause supposedly this is ok and enough identification to you.

Joe Schmo is already doing that.

theyre called cops LOL

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darkprince45 posted...

Theres, literally protests that are becoming violent. You are wondering why police are tactically equipped during what is essentially a mini war right now? Im not sure why you guys are so fixated on what theyre wearing during this. What does it matter, the person was calmly taken into custody without any force used. Does it matter what shirt they had on you guys that muchV

Idk how to explain to you that the militarization of police and treating fellow citizens like enemies of a "mini war" is a bad thing.

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all right, if you don't have a chip on your shoulder, maybe you only think and act the way you do because of your participation in an implicitly hostile force to which you have devoted yourself. you can be the chillest dude in the world and you can think of yourself as protecting people but if you rep for this backwards corruption again and again then people will think you're corrupt and backwards. it doesn't take a course in constitutional law to see that what you're vouching for is wrong, but we also have constitutional lawyers going to court to assert the rights of citizens because what the feds and police are doing is wrong. "Policy" is not law when it is used to circumvent actual law and I have seen you use that dog shit excuse.

When, because it will happen eventually, we set a new standard for what the police are allowed to do in this country, maybe you'll come around. We've already seen the cataclysmic bitch fit officers are throwing when they even have up sniff real accountability.

As far as blasting a cop who is violating the constitution goes, inevitably someone is going to do it and I hope you have plenty of popcorn to watch the legal proceedings.

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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

What's stopping Joe Schmo and his buddies from buying a paramilitary outfit on Amazon, writing Police on it in big bold letters, and driving around in a mini van abducting random people? Cause supposedly this is ok and enough identification to you.

I mean theoretically anyone could do that whenever, and fake any type of identification in this scenario


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justaguy3492 posted...

Idk how to explain to you that the militarization of police and treating fellow citizens like enemies of a "mini war" is a bad thing.

I think youre choosing to view that in that perspective. Theres literally violence across the entire country right now. If you think all protesting is just sitting in a circle singing songs youre wrong. If you dont think theres violence against officers youre wrong. If you dont think a situation like this would call for police to be properly equipped youre wrong. My buddy from another department was not militarized. Now hes sitting in rehab paralyzed because he was shot in the head by a protestor. Scared of a uniform is ridiculous

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darkprince45 posted...

I think youre choosing to view that in that perspective. Theres literally violence across the entire country right now. If you think all protesting is just sitting in a circle singing songs youre wrong. If you dont think theres violence against officers youre wrong. If you dont think a situation like this would call for police to be properly equipped youre wrong. My buddy from another department was not militarized. Now hes sitting in rehab paralyzed because he was shot in the head by a protestor. Scared of a uniform is ridiculous

It's irrational for citizens to be scared of cops in camo, but cops have every right to fear citizens?

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justaguy3492 posted...

It's irrational for citizens to be scared of cops in camo, but cops have every right to fear citizens?

I think thats a broad and baseless comment to make. I dont fear citizens. But during a protest where people threw Molotov cocktails at us, burnt my partners cars to ashes, pelting us with items. I would say yes, there is weary to be had during these protests

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darkprince45 posted...

I think thats a broad and baseless comment to make. I dont fear citizens. But during a protest where people threw Molotov cocktails at us, burnt my partners cars to ashes, pelting us with items. I would say yes, there is weary to be had during these protests

But in a country where people can be murdered in their home while sleeping, or cops kneel on the back of your neck in broad daylight, or cops drop bombs on neighborhoods the citizens should feel safe and trust the cops to do right?

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Alucard188 posted...

Yes, because having a secret militarized operation rumoured to be spearheaded by the government is totally what we want. Americans keep talking fascism like it's stapled to the inside of their eyelids. Well, welcome to Russia.

Can't believe we have tinfoil hat conspiracies as mod(s)

I have every reason to fear police even if I'm doing or have done nothing wrong because police have demonstrated a capacity for gross error or malice towards their citizenry on a regular basis.

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@darkprince45 So my question in regards to my earlier statements about using lethal force against the cops in this scenario is this. How is this any different than the Breona Taylor situation? If Kenneth Walker was justified in his shooting at cops executing a no knock warrant without identifying themselves as police (which apparently was the case since the charges were dropped against him) how would a citizen in a "stand your ground" state not be justified in opening fire on people who pull up in unmarked vans without badges and attempt to detain them without telling them why they were being detained? I'm not trying to be a douche here, i'm legit curious as to your reasoning. I will likely disagree with your argument as you well know, but I'm genuinely curious here as to what I might be missing in my assessment.

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Zero_Destroyer posted...

I have every reason to fear police even if I'm doing or have done nothing wrong because police have demonstrated a capacity for gross error or malice towards their citizenry on a regular basis.

amen

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HiddenRoar posted...

Can't believe we have tinfoil hat conspiracies as mod(s)

This is exactly what's happening. Is there any fascist or conservative action you won't cape for or misdirect away from? It doesn't seem like it if you're denying what's happening here. They were sent by the federal government to stop people from....placing grafitti on federal buildings. To stop that, unmarked federal police have thrown peaceful protesters into unmarked rented vans and detained them without charge. They are literally cracking skulls and sending out the Gestapo/Stasi over alleged graffiti and people wearing black clothes.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/07/unidentified-federal-agents-detaining-protesters-in-portland.html

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