Poll of the Day > If you think hourly food workers deserve a tip

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When I worked retail in college I made several dollars over the minimum wage.
The people I knew who did it full time (part time jobs are not for adults) made enough money to get by. One of them I knew had a law degree and still decided to be a manager at a grocery store because of how laid back it was.

> I bet you don't tip people.
I only tip when I go out to eat with others, which isn't a thing that exists anymore because of COVID-19.

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I waited tables in college and man I can tell you some days those tips sure came in handy.

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

i thought you liked socialism

Tipping is BS.

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Judgmenl posted...

When I worked retail in college I made several dollars over the minimum wage.
The people I knew who did it full time (part time jobs are not for adults) made enough money to get by. One of them I knew had a law degree and still decided to be a manager at a grocery store because of how laid back it was.

> I bet you don't tip people.
I only tip when I go out to eat with others, which isn't a thing that exists anymore because of COVID-19.

Oh I tip. Since I often cannot leave the house for one reason or another I will use a services to have the groceries delivered. You damn well better belive they get tipped. I often by groceries 2 weeks at a time. They get 15% of what the base cost and none of that tip baiting crap saying they are getting a bigger tip then reducing after delivery that shtuff is shady as heck.

Those services need reverse rating service to let the workers know if the person is a asshat or not

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Judgmenl posted...

When I worked retail in college I made several dollars over the minimum wage.
The people I knew who did it full time (part time jobs are not for adults) made enough money to get by. One of them I knew had a law degree and still decided to be a manager at a grocery store because of how laid back it was.

> I bet you don't tip people.
I only tip when I go out to eat with others, which isn't a thing that exists anymore because of COVID-19.

Store manager makes 100k which is comparable to a lawyer's salary

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MrMelodramatic posted...

Yeah no tips for anyone. Just pay your employees a fair wage.

A fair wage is what the employee consensually agrees to be paid when he/she accepts employment from their employer. If an individual feels the wage is not fair and/or worthy of what they bring to the table as an employee, they can seek employment elsewhere. Thats it, its that simple. Government need not be involved.

BeerOnTap posted...

Thats it, its that simple.

maybe for you it has been

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BeerOnTap posted...

A fair wage is what the employee consensually agrees to be paid when he/she accepts employment from their employer. If an individual feels the wage is not fair and/or worthy of what they bring to the table as an employee, they can seek employment elsewhere. Thats it, its that simple. Government need not be involved.

Employers have never been known to underpay employees to the point of hiring unqualified personnel to keep payroll down so the CEO gets a bigger bonus. It's never happened. /s

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

Store manager makes 100k which is comparable to a lawyer's salary

The vast majority of lawyers do not make that.
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wolfy42 posted...

I am totally for a living wage, I'm just against JUST raising the minimum wage (significantly and quickly) like has been done recently.

Min wage where I live for instance was 10$/hr just 4-5 years ago. Meanwhile rent was HALF what it is now for the same place (sometimes less). Now min wage is 13.50, but rent for a 1 bedroom is $1200 instead of $600.

Food has gone up drastically in cost as well, along with most other things. We have 11% sales tax as well, which makes the higher costs even worse.

In addition, most low tier jobs (that were above min wage), have NOT raised significantly if at all, and certainly not enough to compensate for the cost of living.

Home health aids as an example used to make $13 an hour, required 3 months of training and you had to spend $600 as well.

They now make $14 an hour, same requirements. Literally 50 cents more than minimum wage.

They actually probably got a raise in seattle etc, where min wage is $15, but it's just an example, the same thing is happening to people there who were making $15-16 an hour or less before.

Meanwhile, they made that much money before all this, but spent 1/2 as much on expenses. Life is significantly harder for them now than it was before.

As a quite example Tacoma where I lived had a $10 min wage till Jan 1st 2017, less than 4 years later we are at 13.50 min wage, a 35% increase. While this could be a good thing if done right, it most certainly has not been one.

You don't know what you're talking about. Cost of living keeps going up regardless of minimum wage changes. They don't have much to do with each other.
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GanonsSpirit posted...

You don't know what you're talking about. Cost of living keeps going up regardless of minimum wage changes. They don't have much to do with each other.

Do you think the increased cost of a basic living is a natural effect? Do you think the current cost of wheat is a natural occurrence?

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Do you think the increased cost of a basic living is a natural effect? Do you think the current cost of wheat is a natural occurrence?

Farmers are subsidized by the US government. It keeps prices cheap for consumers and ensures we can feed half the world. Part of why we won WW2 was by having the best fed soldiers in the war.

GanonsSpirit posted...

You don't know what you're talking about. Cost of living keeps going up regardless of minimum wage changes. They don't have much to do with each other.

Two things have happened in the last 5 years or so.

The min wage has increased DRASTICALLY faster then ever before in US history.

The cost of living has increased DRASTICALLY faster than ever before in us history.

Perhaps they are un-related....but in areas where one did not happen, the other didn't either.

There are exceptions where the cost of living went up FIRST drastically (like the bay area) and then min wage went up, but then the cost of living went up AGAIN to compensate.

There may be somewhere out there where the min wage went up and cost of living did not increase to match it, I have not heard of it, but it's possible, but at this point it would be an aberration, or exception.

Of COURSE cost of living goes up without min wage changing, it has forever, but it was a slow steady process for the most part. The rapid increase in min wage though caused an extreme spike in cost of living in the same areas, and from what I have seen, the cost of living increase not only invalidated the min wage increase all together, it made life much harder for everyone who wasn't making min wage in the first place (other then the extremely wealthy who probably didn't even notice it.)

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MrMelodramatic posted...

This is all kinds of wrong

It's really not though. He's really on-point.


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BlackScythe0 posted...

There is no rational or historical basis for this statement.

I talked to my customers on the phone all the time about this shit because it was literally happening to them.

So go ahead and tell me there's no basis for it and I'll let you know your completely full of shit.


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Krow_Incarnate posted...

I talked to my customers on the phone all the time about this shit because it was literally happening to them.

So go ahead and tell me there's no basis for it and I'll let you know your completely full of shit.

Subjective impossible to address or prove anecdotes. Yes, I'm the one full of shit.

They deserve to have higher wages and see their worthless CEOs' obscene, unjustifiable salaries cut.

wolfy42 posted...

Perhaps they are un-related.

Min wage here is 7.25, hasn't budged. Cost of living in this area is obscene and rising, has been for decades. I found out after he left the area that one of my co-workers was homeless and hiding it from everyone because he was ashamed. Pretty sure he's not the only one.

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Krow_Incarnate posted...

It's really not though. He's really on-point.

No he's completely wrong. He keeps blaming minimum wage increases instead of the companies raising prices.
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BeerOnTap posted...

A fair wage is what the employee consensually agrees to be paid when he/she accepts employment from their employer. If an individual feels the wage is not fair and/or worthy of what they bring to the table as an employee, they can seek employment elsewhere. Thats it, its that simple.

Unless of course, there is no work to be had that pays well. I'm sure that doesn't happen ever. :-/

Going off on a tangent, the #1 form of theft is wage theft. Consensual contracts don't mean jack when your boss is a crook.

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Gaawa_chan posted...

They deserve to have higher wages and see their worthless CEOs' obscene, unjustifiable salaries cut.

Min wage here is 7.25, hasn't budged. Cost of living in this area is obscene and rising, has been for decades. I found out after he left the area that one of my co-workers was homeless and hiding it from everyone because he was ashamed. Pretty sure he's not the only one.

Where, in general, is there? Cause I gotta say I rarely see such extremes in areas where the min wage has not increased. In fact many of them still have places for $500-$600 for 1 bedrooms. I'm not saying cost of living hasn't gone up, but in general it hasn't over doubled in 4 years in most places that min wage did not increase drastically.

And yeah homelessnes, or having to rent a room/have roomates etc, is skyrocketing.

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Revelation34 posted...

No he's completely wrong. He keeps blaming minimum wage increases instead of the companies raising prices.

I'm stating there is a correlation between rapid min wage increase AND the companies raising prices (and the landlords etc).

The landlords CAN raise prices because more people can afford them, and there is still high demand, which means if they raise prices, people will have to pay them.

This then increases the cost to rent places for companies, stores, restraunts etc, so they have to raise their prices to compensate, and sadly, they often raise their prices due to the min wage increase as well.

So then not only does the cost to rent jump drastically, but the cost to buy things at most stores, or to eat out, or just about everything goes through the roof.

Now if it's a small increase in min wage, this isn't usually as bad, but when you RAPIDLY increase it, everything gets multiplied big time, and you suddenly make many people who were not making min wage before, make it now.

Min wage, basically, seems to set the minimum amount landlords can rent and find people to pay the price. The higher it is, the higher the landlords can charge and get away with it (because people need a roof over their head).

So all that really happened is landlords got more money.

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That's the point. They don't need to raise prices but do.
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wolfy42 posted...

Where, in general, is there? Cause I gotta say I rarely see such extremes in areas where the min wage has not increased. In fact many of them still have places for $500-$600 for 1 bedrooms. I'm not saying cost of living hasn't gone up, but in general it hasn't over doubled in 4 years in most places that min wage did not increase drastically.

And yeah homelessnes, or having to rent a room/have roomates etc, is skyrocketing.

To be fair, part of the reason the cost of living is so obscene here is because we have a church *coughcultcough* buying up as much land as they can and deliberately screwing with the town's economy in order to seize more control. However, this just proves our point; the landlords who own the property are to blame, not wage increases (which don't exist here anyway).

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Revelation34 posted...

No he's completely wrong. He keeps blaming minimum wage increases instead of the companies raising prices.

Hint-hint, the whole point is that cost of living has to come down. With a reasonable cost of living, minimum wage shouldn't matter.

When minimum wage goes up, how the fuck do you think companies react to it?

And you can feel free to live in another reality if you choose, but people who have their lives set up according to their wage responsibly and damn near get uprooted because the minimum wage increases is a fucking thing, because now they're in the same bubble as the people who were making less than them.

Minimum wage has gone up. And believe it or not, you still find yourself in need of more increases.

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Yes it does. By making it illegal for companies to arbitrarily inflating prices every time there's an increase.
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Gaawa_chan posted...

To be fair, part of the reason the cost of living is so obscene here is because we have a church *coughcultcough* buying up as much land as they can and deliberately screwing with the town's economy in order to seize more control. However, this just proves our point; the landlords who own the property are to blame, not wage increases (which don't exist here anyway).

I did mention there are exceptions, but it's not the norm. I mean, i'm not just spouting random crap. I have friend all over the US, and in the places with higher min wage, it's become much harder to actually live. I know people who have moved to places like ugh, can't remember the name of the city, but it's in texas. They moved there, even though min wage is 7.25 an hour, because the cost to rent a 1 bedroom is still $500 or so (and studios can be even cheaper). I could probably look up the city, but it really doesn't matter. The point is that most places that had rapid increases in the min wage, have ended up harder for people to live in over all (more expensive) and while that is true for those who were making min wage before, it much more true for those who were not.

And it's spreading, like a cancer. It's like nobody is even paying attention to what is happening in the many places it has already increase, and they just keep doing it to more and more cities and places, which makes it harder and harder for people to actually find somewhere they can live comfortably without having to share space etc.

IF we could raise min wage and not increase the cost to rent and therefore, the cost for food, and anything you purchase etc (because rental costs are a big, sometimes huge business expense), that would be something (even if your still basically making a larger % of workers just make min wage at that point). At least nobody would be hurt by the process, and those making min wage would be better off.

That is not the case, and till it IS the case, just boosting min wage quickly, is going to keep hurting more and more communities. People will just throw up there hands and say (it needs to be done!! Min wage is not a living wage, and it hasn't gone up with the cost of living etc).

That is very true, but just pumping it up drastically isn't helping, it's hurting and it's not a solution for anyone except the government because they get significantly more taxes that way.

Again, the solution needs to be affordable rent, affordable food and hopefully eventually affordable health care as well. Focus on that, ensuring that everyone can have that if they work 30+ hours a week, and then work on boosting the min wage over time, while hopefully boosting other wages that are hourly as well.

Seriously $15 an hour just 4 years ago was enough to live quite well in this area and alot of jobs paid around that much. In places like seattle min wage IS $15 an hour now, and this is what has happened to the average cost to rent.

A Comprehensive Housing Market Analysis done in 2015 showed the average rent in the city for one-bedroom, two-bedroom and three-bedroom home was $592, $726, and $934, respectively. Seattle has become the nation's most expensive big city for renters outside of California. According to survey data from the U.S. Census Bureau, the median rent and utilities paid in the city of Seattle hit $1,555 in 2017.

That is not correct btw (manhattan for instance is still significantly more expensive), but the general information is accurate. It's also outdated.

Do a quick search on seattle craigslist and you'll see STUDIO apartments for $1200, the cheapest 1 bedrooms are about $1500 and plenty of 1 bedrooms are $2000-$2200.

That makes olympia and Tacoma look cheap in comparison (but then again, min wage actually increased more in seattle and larger cities usually cost more anyway.

$15 an hour, which most could get over time, 5 years ago (just you didn't start at that rate), now can barely pay for a 1 bedroom (40 hours a week is 2400$ before taxes). You could rent an efficiency or studio apartment (if you can find one), and probably be able to barely get by in the cheapest 1 bedrooms which are $1500, but you can't get a nice one that is $2000+ and still eat, pay utilities, deal with tranportation, have a phone, pay for internet etc etc.

And again, there are TONS of places where the min wage didn't increase, that still have reasonable (IE not over freaking $2000) 1 bedrooms for rent.

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