Poll of the Day > If you think hourly food workers deserve a tip

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Why dont you tip retail workers. Seriously can you think of a more exploited class of worker next to uber drivers?

P.s. I never worked fast food. I'm retired from the IT community

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I don't
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I don't

Yeah no tips for anyone. Just pay your employees a fair wage.

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We need to raise the minimum wage and there should be a mandatory minimum tip for every transaction (something small, like $0.25)

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To clarify for our international friends. In america it is customery to underpay wait staff because some guy in the 1920s decided it would be cheaper if rich customers foot the bill

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MrMelodramatic posted...

Yeah no tips for anyone. Just pay your employees a fair wage.

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I misread the topic. I DO think hourly food workers deserve a tip. just not fast food workers

because fuck them

I tip the police after they beat up my neighbours for making noise...

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Horse_ebooks posted...

We need to raise the minimum wage and there should be a mandatory minimum tip for every transaction (something small, like $0.25)

NO!!!!!

Stop raising the freaking minimum wage. It's not HELPING those making min wage, and it's hurting everyone who was making within 2-3x min wage before.

Cost of living SKYROCKETS every time min wage goes up. It's insane. It's worse now then before min wage was raised in many places by 50% or so.

IF you raise wages, raise them across the board.

Raise min wage from 10-15$ (happened or is happening many many places) and you have everyone who made 11-15$ suddenly be making min wage, and everything costs more (so they effectively are making less than before).

Raise wages (non-salaried) universally by 20%, and at least everyone would get an increase that would help deal with the cost of living increase that goes along with it. Honestly though boosting wages just seems to hurt the poor the most.

IT hurts anyone makign near min wage a ton. It hurts anyone on disability/social security etc a ton, and it doesn't seem to really help ANYONE, even those who were making exactly min wage before (and honestly even pure min wage jobs get raises over time, so if you worked one awhile you were making more than min wage...but now...if it goes up, your back at min wage again.

STOP RAISING MIN WAGE.

Start providing housing/rentals that are affordable instead. Increase deductions as well, and reduce taxes on the poor (up to a real cost of living).

Seriously, people who are trying to get min wage raised need to look and see what has happening in areas where it jumped significantly in a few years. IT's WAY harder for a person in many of those places to live than it was before.

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MrMelodramatic posted...

Yeah no tips for anyone. Just pay your employees a fair wage.

That would be nice...
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wolfy42 posted...

NO!!!!!

Stop raising the freaking minimum wage. It's not HELPING those making min wage, and it's hurting everyone who was making within 2-3x min wage before.

Cost of living SKYROCKETS every time min wage goes up. It's insane. It's worse now then before min wage was raised in many places by 50% or so.

IF you raise wages, raise them across the board.

Raise min wage from 10-15$ (happened or is happening many many places) and you have everyone who made 11-15$ suddenly be making min wage, and everything costs more (so they effectively are making less than before).

Raise wages (non-salaried) universally by 20%, and at least everyone would get an increase that would help deal with the cost of living increase that goes along with it. Honestly though boosting wages just seems to hurt the poor the most.

IT hurts anyone makign near min wage a ton. It hurts anyone on disability/social security etc a ton, and it doesn't seem to really help ANYONE, even those who were making exactly min wage before (and honestly even pure min wage jobs get raises over time, so if you worked one awhile you were making more than min wage...but now...if it goes up, your back at min wage again.

STOP RAISING MIN WAGE.

Start providing housing/rentals that are affordable instead. Increase deductions as well, and reduce taxes on the poor (up to a real cost of living).

Seriously, people who are trying to get min wage raised need to look and see what has happening in areas where it jumped significantly in a few years. IT's WAY harder for a person in many of those places to live than it was before.

This is all kinds of wrong

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lolwut? Tips are service-oriented (in theory) and built around a long interaction. Retail is a quick in & out. A waiter might have 5-10 tables an hour, whereas a cashier might see 50-100 customers in an hour. Cashiers have far less labor per customer and far more customers. This topic doesn't make any... oh, wait, I guess it's a troll topic, isn't it? Got me again!

Horse_ebooks posted...

We need to raise the minimum wage and there should be a mandatory minimum tip for every transaction (something small, like $0.25)

lolwut? First, while 25-cents is small by tip standards, it's not really small in general considering how quickly that adds up. Second, and more importantly, you'd have workers JUST ON TIPS ALONE potentially making $25/hour, then they'd be getting another $9-14 on your increased minimum wage for $34-39/hour.... which is far more than countless other jobs make, ultimately fucking up the jobs market. It's a completely nonsensical.... oh, wait, troll post. Got me again!

ScritchOwl posted...

To clarify for our international friends. In america it is customery to underpay wait staff because some guy in the 1920s decided it would be cheaper if rich customers foot the bill

...they're paid less because they make so much on tips. We don't pay hourly workers less than the minimum wage and, if we did that like we do with waiters, they wouldn't be bringing in the kinds of tips waiters do.

And you say "food workers" but it's really just waiters. Your fast food workers are just minimum wage. And restaurant chefs are paid whatever.

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If you ask wait staff if they want to make minimum wage or even twice that instead of tips you won't get a kind response.

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Zeus posted...

A waiter might have 5-10 tables an hour

lmaoooo

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Does TC actually think people are tipping fast food workers

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TheWitchMorgana posted...

lmaoooo

How is that funny, that's pretty accurate. 10 might be a bit steep, it's more like 5 to 8, but that's pretty close.

I tip, but it REALLY shouldn't be a thing.

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Mead posted...

Does TC actually think people are tipping fast food workers

Actually the reason why was that I went into a smallcakes shop for wife and daughter and the comp was asking for a tip.

Several places ask like taco bueno, fazzoli, and even some donut shops.

Also places like sonic tell new staff that they dont pay as much because you get tips. So yeah it might not be in your area but even mcdonalds has a tip jar by the register in my area

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ReggieTheReckless posted...

I misread the topic. I DO think hourly food workers deserve a tip. just not fast food workers

because fuck them

no you read it right some places expect your cashier to get a tip. Even worse is they are expecting it upfront before services are rendered. Also they are expecting tips for take out on restaurant s like applebees, olive garden and such

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wolfy42 posted...

Stop raising the freaking minimum wage. It's not HELPING those making min wage, and it's hurting everyone who was making within 2-3x min wage before.

Cost of living SKYROCKETS every time min wage goes up. It's insane. It's worse now then before min wage was raised in many places by 50% or so.

IF you raise wages, raise them across the board.

The issue here is that wages have raised across the board to a degree (much more for the wealthier side of the spectrum), but the minimum wage stays at one rate until laws pass to raise it. And even after the increases, adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage is still significantly lower than was it was in the 1960s:



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Horse_ebooks posted...

We need to raise the minimum wage and there should be a mandatory minimum tip for every transaction (something small, like $0.25)

that isn't a tip, that is a fee
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The Popo posted...

The issue here is that wages have raised across the board to a degree (much more for the wealthier side of the spectrum), but the minimum wage stays at one rate until laws pass to raise it. And even after the increases, adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage is still significantly lower than was it was in the 1960s:

I am totally for a living wage, I'm just against JUST raising the minimum wage (significantly and quickly) like has been done recently.

Min wage where I live for instance was 10$/hr just 4-5 years ago. Meanwhile rent was HALF what it is now for the same place (sometimes less). Now min wage is 13.50, but rent for a 1 bedroom is $1200 instead of $600.

Food has gone up drastically in cost as well, along with most other things. We have 11% sales tax as well, which makes the higher costs even worse.

In addition, most low tier jobs (that were above min wage), have NOT raised significantly if at all, and certainly not enough to compensate for the cost of living.

Home health aids as an example used to make $13 an hour, required 3 months of training and you had to spend $600 as well.

They now make $14 an hour, same requirements. Literally 50 cents more than minimum wage.

They actually probably got a raise in seattle etc, where min wage is $15, but it's just an example, the same thing is happening to people there who were making $15-16 an hour or less before.

Meanwhile, they made that much money before all this, but spent 1/2 as much on expenses. Life is significantly harder for them now than it was before.

As a quite example Tacoma where I lived had a $10 min wage till Jan 1st 2017, less than 4 years later we are at 13.50 min wage, a 35% increase. While this could be a good thing if done right, it most certainly has not been one.

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This topic is fucking hilarious omg

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wolfy42 posted...

NO!!!!!

Stop raising the freaking minimum wage. It's not HELPING those making min wage, and it's hurting everyone who was making within 2-3x min wage before.

Cost of living SKYROCKETS every time min wage goes up. It's insane. It's worse now then before min wage was raised in many places by 50% or so.

IF you raise wages, raise them across the board.

Raise min wage from 10-15$ (happened or is happening many many places) and you have everyone who made 11-15$ suddenly be making min wage, and everything costs more (so they effectively are making less than before).

Raise wages (non-salaried) universally by 20%, and at least everyone would get an increase that would help deal with the cost of living increase that goes along with it. Honestly though boosting wages just seems to hurt the poor the most.

IT hurts anyone makign near min wage a ton. It hurts anyone on disability/social security etc a ton, and it doesn't seem to really help ANYONE, even those who were making exactly min wage before (and honestly even pure min wage jobs get raises over time, so if you worked one awhile you were making more than min wage...but now...if it goes up, your back at min wage again.

STOP RAISING MIN WAGE.

Start providing housing/rentals that are affordable instead. Increase deductions as well, and reduce taxes on the poor (up to a real cost of living).

Seriously, people who are trying to get min wage raised need to look and see what has happening in areas where it jumped significantly in a few years. IT's WAY harder for a person in many of those places to live than it was before.

There is no rational or historical basis for this statement.

wolfy42 posted...

I am totally for a living wage, I'm just against JUST raising the minimum wage (significantly and quickly) like has been done recently.

I agree with that, and I think most people involved would prefer have a modest annual increase over a large knee-jerk increase every 10 years. It would benefit everyone involved. Minimum wage workers would keep up with rising costs more consistently, and employers could more easily budget the pay raises over the foreseeable future.

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ScritchOwl posted...

Why dont you tip retail workers.

I don't. They get at least National Minimum Wage over here per hour. That's their salary. Some guy I know in the hospitality industry pointed out "hurr durr some folk need those tips to live" and I just think to myself why not do a job that pays more then? Tips are not a guarantee and should be earned not given if anything.


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BlackScythe0 posted...

There is no rational or historical basis for this statement.

There is current direct evidence all over the place that it's not working. Now, linking the extreme cost of living increases to the increase in minimum wage is of course supposition. Perhaps they would have gone up anyway, but the fact of the matter is places where min wage increased drastically have had a much larger increase in cost of living than in the past, and in almost every situation, the cost of living increase has been far more severe and detrimental, then the bonus to the min wage (especially when you take into account the higher amount of taxes being paid on the additional income.


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wolfy42 posted...

There is current direct evidence all over the place that it's not working. Now, linking the extreme cost of living increases to the increase in minimum wage is of course supposition. Perhaps they would have gone up anyway, but the fact of the matter is places where min wage increased drastically have had a much larger increase in cost of living than in the past, and in almost every situation, the cost of living increase has been far more severe and detrimental, then the bonus to the min wage (especially when you take into account the higher amount of taxes being paid on the additional income.

I live in the Bay Area and due to the tech industry and influx of techies the cost of living here exploded before minimum wage increases. The service industry is teetering on the brink because no one with a service job can afford to live here. A minimum wage is needed if these people aren't to be priced out.

Ah yes, don't raise the minimum wage, raise everyone's wages, so prices of literally everything will increase, making the raise moot.

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Zareth posted...

Ah yes, don't raise the minimum wage, raise everyone's wages, so prices of literally everything will increase, making the raise moot.

I didn't say everyones wage, I said all non-salaried people who make within 2-3x min wage.

Basically ensure everyone is making more if they are anywhere near the poverty line.

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The Popo posted...

The issue here is that wages have raised across the board to a degree (much more for the wealthier side of the spectrum), but the minimum wage stays at one rate until laws pass to raise it. And even after the increases, adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage is still significantly lower than was it was in the 1960s:

1968? You mean that time people consider the greatest economic period in America? I wonder why

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ScritchOwl posted...

Why dont you tip retail workers. Seriously can you think of a more exploited class of worker next to uber drivers?

P.s. I never worked fast food. I'm retired from the IT community

Thats actually a good idea. Retail workers are in customer service too and should be tipped...

ScritchOwl posted...

but even mcdonalds has a tip jar by the register in my area

I dont believe you, its probably a collection jar for a a charity

This is just like the time you posted about how you got into a shouting match with some worker at a steak and shake. Might want to work on your people skills or basic comprehension of situations

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wolfy42 posted...

NO!!!!!

Stop raising the freaking minimum wage. It's not HELPING those making min wage, and it's hurting everyone who was making within 2-3x min wage before.

Cost of living SKYROCKETS every time min wage goes up. It's insane. It's worse now then before min wage was raised in many places by 50% or so.

IF you raise wages, raise them across the board.

Raise min wage from 10-15$ (happened or is happening many many places) and you have everyone who made 11-15$ suddenly be making min wage, and everything costs more (so they effectively are making less than before).

Raise wages (non-salaried) universally by 20%, and at least everyone would get an increase that would help deal with the cost of living increase that goes along with it. Honestly though boosting wages just seems to hurt the poor the most.

IT hurts anyone makign near min wage a ton. It hurts anyone on disability/social security etc a ton, and it doesn't seem to really help ANYONE, even those who were making exactly min wage before (and honestly even pure min wage jobs get raises over time, so if you worked one awhile you were making more than min wage...but now...if it goes up, your back at min wage again.

STOP RAISING MIN WAGE.

Start providing housing/rentals that are affordable instead. Increase deductions as well, and reduce taxes on the poor (up to a real cost of living).

Seriously, people who are trying to get min wage raised need to look and see what has happening in areas where it jumped significantly in a few years. IT's WAY harder for a person in many of those places to live than it was before.

But inflation is still happening so we are already making less than we were when it was last raised

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Tipping is BS. Pay a decent salary to people.

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Muscles posted...

But inflation is still happening so we are already making less than we were when it was last raised

I 100% believe we need to improve base/minimum wages over time, but we need to fix things first and cement cost of living from rocketing when we do raise minimum wages. We also need to insure that a raising minimum wage doesn't sweep up all other jobs within a range of min wage, including all raises people have gotten over time etc.

The current solution/setup has basically skyrocketed min wage in many areas, but has had a worse effect on cost of living/rents etc. Some of that would have already happened, but it has made everything worse.

While I 100% agree that min wage was too low.....it was the minimum wage for low tier jobs that you just started working and even if you worked those jobs for a few years, you would be earning more (significantly more if they gave decent raises, which admitingly not everyone did).

Work at fast food for instance and start at $10 an hour, and you get 25-50 cent raises multiple times a year, and probably promoted if your not a total moron as well.

But raising min wage from 10-13.50 in 2-3 years, you invalidated any raises people had gotten, and you made most jobs that took some skill/work etc to get, that were within 40% of the old min wage, only pay min wage now.

This did not, in any way shape or form, give those making min wage more purchasing power. Instead the cost of living went up more than the amount extra they made, and it hurt everyone making anywhere near min wage (even over double it) significantly.

The solution is a cost of living increase that is a flat increase in all wages, and in smaller amounts over time.

If you boost ALL hourly wages by 50 cents per hour, per year, and keep doing that till we have a decent min wage, while also focusing on reducing rental costs and other costs, and finish it off with lower taxes if you make under say 40k a year (normal taxes over that, but under 40k and you get an extra 6k deduction per year for instance (so 18k instead of 12k).

THAT would help a ton more than just boosting min wage.

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ScritchOwl posted...

Seriously can you think of a more exploited class of worker next to uber drivers?

inmates in prison


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Mead posted...

I dont believe you, its probably a collection jar for a a charity

This is just like the time you posted about how you got into a shouting match with some worker at a steak and shake. Might want to work on your people skills or basic comprehension of situations

Dude that wasnt me who had a screaming match but yeah I dont think its ever a good idea tonscream at someone who prepares your food especially if you plan eating there. Also yeah they do have a charity its in a nice little plexiglass chest wih images of ronals mcdonald. That charity is the charity for mcdonalds. Charitable orgs dont share so you k on ow if it is a charity someones getting fired or sued. That info is based on how the susan g. Koleman foundation treats people.

However what I am talking about is a very getto mcdonalds that is ajoined to a gas station. They have a greenish vase with a white fake flower taped to it with a piece of register receipt paper that has tips wrapped aroud it covered in another layer of clear tape. I am sorry if I misinterpreted that mead. I didn't mean to insult the tips charity

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

inmates in prison

Ouch. Yeah you got me on that one

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ScritchOwl posted...

Dude that wasnt me who had a screaming match but yeah I dont think its ever a good idea tonscream at someone who prepares your food especially if you plan eating there. Also yeah they do have a charity its in a nice little plexiglass chest wih images of ronals mcdonald. That charity is the charity for mcdonalds. Charitable orgs dont share so you k on ow if it is a charity someones getting fired or sued. That info is based on how the susan g. Koleman foundation treats people.

However what I am talking about is a very getto mcdonalds that is ajoined to a gas station. They have a greenish vase with a white fake flower taped to it with a piece of register receipt paper that has tips wrapped aroud it covered in another layer of clear tape. I am sorry if I misinterpreted that mead. I didn't mean to insult the tips charity

youre right dude that was another user

that was 100% my bad sorry for that dick of a post

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Ah no hard feelings figured as much. Thanks for the message back. Good night and be well

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zebatov posted...

Tipping is BS. Pay a decent salary to people.

If theyre not happy with it, they can find other work. In Canada, a servers wage is not much less than minimum wage. And none of them claim 100% of their tips. Its a bad system all-around.

i thought you liked socialism
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JOExHIGASHI posted...

inmates in prison

oh no! criminals should be made to work
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wolfy42 posted...

NO!!!!!

Stop raising the freaking minimum wage. It's not HELPING those making min wage, and it's hurting everyone who was making within 2-3x min wage before.

Cost of living SKYROCKETS every time min wage goes up. It's insane. It's worse now then before min wage was raised in many places by 50% or so.

IF you raise wages, raise them across the board.

Raise min wage from 10-15$ (happened or is happening many many places) and you have everyone who made 11-15$ suddenly be making min wage, and everything costs more (so they effectively are making less than before).

Raise wages (non-salaried) universally by 20%, and at least everyone would get an increase that would help deal with the cost of living increase that goes along with it. Honestly though boosting wages just seems to hurt the poor the most.

IT hurts anyone makign near min wage a ton. It hurts anyone on disability/social security etc a ton, and it doesn't seem to really help ANYONE, even those who were making exactly min wage before (and honestly even pure min wage jobs get raises over time, so if you worked one awhile you were making more than min wage...but now...if it goes up, your back at min wage again.

STOP RAISING MIN WAGE.

Start providing housing/rentals that are affordable instead. Increase deductions as well, and reduce taxes on the poor (up to a real cost of living).

Seriously, people who are trying to get min wage raised need to look and see what has happening in areas where it jumped significantly in a few years. IT's WAY harder for a person in many of those places to live than it was before.

No it is not minimum wage's fault. Blame the companies for arbitrarily inflating all their prices instead.
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wolfy42 posted...

There is current direct evidence all over the place that it's not working. Now, linking the extreme cost of living increases to the increase in minimum wage is of course supposition. Perhaps they would have gone up anyway, but the fact of the matter is places where min wage increased drastically have had a much larger increase in cost of living than in the past, and in almost every situation, the cost of living increase has been far more severe and detrimental, then the bonus to the min wage (especially when you take into account the higher amount of taxes being paid on the additional income.

There has been no observed substantial increases in cost of living with previous minimum wage increases.

We need minimum wage increases because keeping wages stagnant is not preventing prices from going up. You would need an unconstitutional assault on corporations to address this in any manner besides a minimum wage.

Not and not.

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Revelation34 posted...

No it is not minimum wage's fault. Blame the companies for arbitrarily inflating all their prices instead.

BlackScythe0 posted...

There has been no observed substantial increases in cost of living with previous minimum wage increases.

We need minimum wage increases because keeping wages stagnant is not preventing prices from going up. You would need an unconstitutional assault on corporations to address this in any manner besides a minimum wage.

Never in US history has min wage raised as quickly as it has in the last 5 years or so. Not fed min wage mind you, but min wage in many states/cities etc. The results have been bad, universally. This isn't an isolated incident, and the same has NOT happened in places where the min wage did not increase.

Therefore, it makes logical sense that even though it's actually the companies and landlords that are raising the prices, the basic underlying cause of the increased cost of living, was the extremely rapid increase in minimum wage.

This was exaggerated by the fact that many people who made more than min wage, did not get a wage increase as well. Not only did it actually become harder for people making min wage (the new one) to make enough to live semi-comfortably (IE rent a 1 bedroom, have money for transportation/communication and food, and maybe a bit for entertainmnet with a 40 hour a week job), but it put tons of people who used to be above minimum wage in the same boat (Which was a worse boat then people making min wage before the increases happened were in).

Lets look at simple numbers in Olympia for instance.

I moved to Olympia in 2015, at which point Min wage was $10 an hour. A 1 bedroom apartment at that point was $600 on average and a 2 bedroom apartment could be had for about $100-$150 more. My house.....the huge one......which had 5 bedrooms, 2 living rooms, a dining rooms, a very nice kitchen, a laundry room, a pantry, a basement and a gorgeous view of the pugent sound (along with 2 fireplaces, a nice yard etc), rented for only $1800 total (we rented it before we moved in).

Someone making $10 an hour back then would net about $1600 a month with a 40 hour job, could have their own apartment for 600$ and even after taxes, have a good 800 left over for other expenses. In addition TONS of jobs payed between 11-15$ which gave people doing all those jobs significantly more (15$ baically mean $1500 or so after taxes and rent.

Fast forward just freaking 4 years......in just 4 years Min wage jumped to $13.50, but now you can't get a 1 bedroom for less than $1000 and in general you'll pay at least $1200, meanwhile food has increased drastically (more then doubled for some things like meats etc (although alot of that is very recent due to the virus, it already had significantly jumped before that).

Now someone working 40 hours at 13.50 can barely afford to pay rent + utilities, with no money left for food, most people working min wage have to rent rooms, and the number of people living with roomates or renting rooms has skyrocketed.

Literally if you search for apartments for rent your lucky to find any under $1200 and most of the decent places are $1300-$1500. Yeah you make a bit more per month, but you pay taxes on all of that (Even if its' only 10%), and again in this state the sales tax is 11% so when you double the cost of things, you double the tax on em as well.

Thank god we don't pay taxes on rent.

The basic point is, rapid increases in minimum wage doesn't help anyone, because rentals are in demand, so thelandlords jack up the prices, this increases the property value, so they jack em up even more. This causes rentals for buisinesses to go up, so they boost the cost of everything they sell, also, they have to pay employees more now, so they boost prices even more.

The net result is everything increases over all more than 35% in cost, compared to before, while ONLY those making min wage increased how much they made by 35%. It's bad for everyone, but worse for those who didn't make near min wage before.

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It is literally only the companies' fault for inflating everything massively.
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

oh no! criminals should be made to work

not for the profit of private companies

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