Poll of the Day > Hypothesis: God is also Satan

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If Satan means "The Opposer" and God is the sole gatekeeper of you getting into heaven, then God is your opposer... God is your Satan

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actually, fuck religion - ima go get a sausage egg mcmuffin... with NO CHEESE

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Lokarin posted...

actually, fuck religion - ima go get a sausage egg mcmuffin... with NO CHEESE

You could say the cheese is your... nevermind.

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Technically God is in fact Satan and all of us as well. God is in everyone, and that would include Satan. We are all part of gods conciousness that has been split into individual beings. Satan would just be another part of himself, used to create a distraction from the infinite.

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The god of the bible utilizes satans. If going that far back for the actual meanings, you should also decomposite the devil character first.

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Gnostics basically believe that the "God" of the Bible basically IS Satan, and the entirety of the Bible is mostly his PR campaign to fool you into worshiping him while he shackles you to the material plane and keeps you from ascending to your true potential.

The "real" God in that scenario is the true creator of the universe who is a purely spiritual being who is responsible for the creation of all of our souls, and thus our free will and potential for transcendence, but the meat our souls are trapped in and the material world we live in are all the work of the evil god who is opposed to the true God.

That thinking has been at the heart of a number of heretical movements through history - the Albigensian Crusade in 13th century France was more or less rooting out this exact philosophy, and it's where the phrase "Kill them all, God will sort them out" originally comes from (though the original version was more along the lines of "Kill them all, God shall know His own").
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Gnostics basically believe that the "God" of the Bible basically IS Satan, and the entirety of the Bible is mostly his PR campaign to fool you into worshiping him while he shackles you to the material plane and keeps you from ascending to your true potential.

The "real" God in that scenario is the true creator of the universe who is a purely spiritual being who is responsible for the creation of all of our souls, and thus our free will and potential for transcendence, but the meat our souls are trapped in and the material world we live in are all the work of the evil god who is opposed to the true God.

That thinking has been at the heart of a number of heretical movements through history - the Albigensian Crusade in 13th century France was more or less rooting out this exact philosophy, and it's where the phrase "Kill them all, God will sort them out" originally comes from (though the original version was more along the lines of "Kill them all, God shall know His own").

wat

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Gnostics basically believe that the "God" of the Bible basically IS Satan, and the entirety of the Bible is mostly his PR campaign to fool you into worshiping him while he shackles you to the material plane and keeps you from ascending to your true potential.

The "real" God in that scenario is the true creator of the universe who is a purely spiritual being who is responsible for the creation of all of our souls, and thus our free will and potential for transcendence, but the meat our souls are trapped in and the material world we live in are all the work of the evil god who is opposed to the true God.

That thinking has been at the heart of a number of heretical movements through history - the Albigensian Crusade in 13th century France was more or less rooting out this exact philosophy, and it's where the phrase "Kill them all, God will sort them out" originally comes from (though the original version was more along the lines of "Kill them all, God shall know His own").

I always liked the reading that the bible wasn't explicitly removing the idea of other gods, but just that they should only worship God above all other gods.

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I still don't understand why god would allow satan to fuck with a bunch of people when he is supposed to be all powerful. It's like leaving someone in an abusive relationship when you have the power to just stop the abuser.

And unlike the real world, god actually IS always around to protect you so theres literally no point in being able to deal with things yourselves when he could just ensure you never have to deal with anything.

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1) God is all knowing, including the outcome of every action.
2) God created the universe and didn't like the outcome.
3) Exactly as planned?

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1) God has a plan for everyone and everything.
2) When you pray to god for an outcome, you are telling him "fuck your plan, I know better".
3) God wants you to pray to him?!?

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God created Satan because the world needs trolls

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

I still don't understand why god would allow satan to fuck with a bunch of people when he is supposed to be all powerful. It's like leaving someone in an abusive relationship when you have the power to just stop the abuser.

Because this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgHSgCu23a8

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Lokarin posted...

If Satan means "The Opposer" and God is the sole gatekeeper of you getting into heaven, then God is your opposer... God is your Satan

no, but close. "The Satan" means "The Accuser". It's a title; that's his job, given to him by YHWH. YHWH is basically the judge, and The Satan is basically the prosecuting attorney. Jesus is maybe the defense attorney, but only once you get to the NT. also, there isn't really a "heaven" or a "hell" for that matter.

a lot of these ideas (heaven, hell, devil) come from somewhere else (Zoroastrianism?) and aren't really part of Jewish or technically even Christian teaching.

and then, YHWH is just the Canaanite god of war anyway. (it's hard to say what any one thing "is", because it's coming from at least like 4 or 5 different places, all mish-mashed together).

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FatalAccident posted...

wat

Matter bad, spirit good.

Therefore, the God who creates the material world is automatically inherently evil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism
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