Poll of the Day > American passports are worthless now, ok?

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Sarcasthma 07/12/20 1:20:14 PM #51:	jbomb1234 posted... This post is worthless, ok? Don't be so hard on yourself. --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. <cite>Sarcasthma posted [p:942014094] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>jbomb1234 posted... </cite> <quote>This post is worthless, ok?</quote>Don't be so hard on yourself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aculo 07/12/20 1:27:56 PM #52:	streamofthesky posted... Even if there is bias in pictures chosen, are you claiming that a group who's sole reason of protest is, "this virus is bull s*" / "this virus isn't nearly as bad as the MEDIA tries to tell you!" is likely to have the same rate of mask usage as other groups? Because I guess they want to be careful about the virus they claim isn't a big deal...? i saw a video of a guy encouraging others to cough in his face during one of those protests, ok? --- ok? <cite>Aculo posted [p:942014382] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>streamofthesky posted... </cite> <quote>Even if there is bias in pictures chosen, are you claiming that a group who's sole reason of protest is, "this virus is bull s*" / "this virus isn't nearly as bad as the MEDIA tries to tell you!" is likely to have the same rate of mask usage as other groups? Because I guess they want to be careful about the virus they claim isn't a big deal...?</quote>i saw a video of a guy encouraging others to cough in his face during one of those protests, ok? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/12/20 1:30:51 PM #53:	If you don't think the protests have drastically affected the number of cases, you're stupid beyond help. The cases have spiked like crazy in most major cities the past week and the country has more or less been open for over a month (over two months in GA) and the cases just started spiking in Atlanta about 2 weeks ago. GA actually seemed affected very little by opening businesses up probably because most businesses have been relatively smart about the social distancing. Numbers actually ticked down a little bit until after people started gathering butt to nut by the thousands (go figure ) <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:942014511] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>If you don't think the protests have drastically affected the number of cases, you're stupid beyond help. The cases have spiked like crazy in most major cities the past week and the country has more or less been open for over a month (over two months in GA) and the cases just started spiking in Atlanta about 2 weeks ago. GA actually seemed affected very little by opening businesses up probably because most businesses have been relatively smart about the social distancing. Numbers actually ticked down a little bit until after people started gathering butt to nut by the thousands (go figure ) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 07/12/20 1:39:41 PM #54:	OhhhJa posted... If you don't think the protests have drastically affected the number of cases, you're stupid beyond help. The cases have spiked in like crazy in most major cities the past week and the country has more or less been open for over a month (over two months in GA) and the cases just started spiking in Atlanta about 2 weeks ago. GA actually seemed affected very little by opening businesses up probably because most businesses have been relatively smart about the social distancing. Numbers actually ticked down a little bit until after people started gathering butt to nut by the thousands (go figure ) They arent saying they arent affecting it at all. But its also dependent on where. Like even with the Protest in New York, the numbers are still dropping. Youve mentioned Georgia several times. We understand that its going up there. But Georgia isnt everywhere. The protest have most likely affected the amount of people who have it. But it just depends on where and how the protestors are acting... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:942014870] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>If you don't think the protests have drastically affected the number of cases, you're stupid beyond help. The cases have spiked in like crazy in most major cities the past week and the country has more or less been open for over a month (over two months in GA) and the cases just started spiking in Atlanta about 2 weeks ago. GA actually seemed affected very little by opening businesses up probably because most businesses have been relatively smart about the social distancing. Numbers actually ticked down a little bit until after people started gathering butt to nut by the thousands (go figure ) </quote> They arent saying they arent affecting it at all. But its also dependent on where. Like even with the Protest in New York, the numbers are still dropping. Youve mentioned Georgia several times. We understand that its going up there. But Georgia isnt everywhere. The protest have most likely affected the amount of people who have it. But it just depends on where and how the protestors are acting...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/12/20 1:42:34 PM #55:	LinkPizza posted... They arent saying they arent affecting it at all. But its also dependent on where. Like even with the Protest in New York, the numbers are still dropping. Youve mentioned Georgia several times. We understand that its going up there. But Georgia isnt everywhere. The protest have most likely affected the amount of people who have it. But it just depends on where and how the protestors are acting... Atlanta, LA, Dallas, Chicago, Boston. I'm sure there are others but don't feel like researching right now <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:942014985] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>They arent saying they arent affecting it at all. But its also dependent on where. Like even with the Protest in New York, the numbers are still dropping. Youve mentioned Georgia several times. We understand that its going up there. But Georgia isnt everywhere. The protest have most likely affected the amount of people who have it. But it just depends on where and how the protestors are acting...</quote>Atlanta, LA, Dallas, Chicago, Boston. I'm sure there are others but don't feel like researching right now </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 07/12/20 1:43:09 PM #56:	The protests were pretty recent and I thought it was usually 2-3 weeks after becoming infected that people start to show signs and get actually sick (let alone actually go get tested). It's quite likely we won't see the actual impact of the protests for another week or so. --- Agatha "Your naked and they are nuns, it's not your eyes they're not looking at." Glowing Elephant "Stonehedge was a sex thing." <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:942015002] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>The protests were pretty recent and I thought it was usually 2-3 weeks after becoming infected that people start to show signs and get actually sick (let alone actually go get tested). It's quite likely we won't see the actual impact of the protests for another week or so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/12/20 1:46:22 PM #57:	wolfy42 posted... The protests were pretty recent and I thought it was usually 2-3 weeks after becoming infected that people start to show signs and get actually sick (let alone actually go get tested). It's quite likely we won't see the actual impact of the protests for another week or so. The protests have been going on for almost a month dude lol <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:942015104] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>wolfy42 posted... </cite> <quote>The protests were pretty recent and I thought it was usually 2-3 weeks after becoming infected that people start to show signs and get actually sick (let alone actually go get tested). It's quite likely we won't see the actual impact of the protests for another week or so.</quote>The protests have been going on for almost a month dude lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/12/20 1:47:25 PM #58:	Scratch that. Just googled george Floyd and he was killed may 25. So they've been going on since then <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:942015142] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>Scratch that. Just googled george Floyd and he was killed may 25. So they've been going on since then </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
keyblader1985 07/12/20 2:25:00 PM #59:	Veedrock- posted... You know this is media bias right? Social media? Where anyone and everyone can and do post anything? Facebook and Twitter posts were everywhere for weeks, and most people in most pics and videos from most sources sources were masked. --- Official King of PotD You only need one T-Rex to make the point, though. ~ Samus Sedai <cite>keyblader1985 posted [p:942016429] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>Veedrock- posted... </cite> <quote>You know this is media bias right?</quote>Social media? Where anyone and everyone can and do post anything? Facebook and Twitter posts were everywhere for weeks, and most people in most pics and videos from most sources sources were masked. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zebatov 07/12/20 2:37:51 PM #60:	Remember when Americans were travelling with maple leafs stuck all over themselves and their luggage to pass as Canadian and avoid harassment? --- C was right. <cite>zebatov posted [p:942016900] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>Remember when Americans were travelling with maple leafs stuck all over themselves and their luggage to pass as Canadian and avoid harassment? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 07/12/20 2:46:59 PM #61:	LinkPizza posted... They arent saying they arent affecting it at all. But its also dependent on where. Like even with the Protest in New York, the numbers are still dropping. Youve mentioned Georgia several times. We understand that its going up there. But Georgia isnt everywhere. The protest have most likely affected the amount of people who have it. But it just depends on where and how the protestors are acting... Similarly, DC has been dropping in cases consistently. Despite being a huge area for protests. Fact of the matter is, the number of people participating in protests is insignificant compared to the working population at large. Sending people back to work, crammed in office buildings and riding public transit together, represents 100-fold (or more) greater number of people closely interacting with each other, compared to the number of people participating in protests. --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:942017174] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>They arent saying they arent affecting it at all. But its also dependent on where. Like even with the Protest in New York, the numbers are still dropping. Youve mentioned Georgia several times. We understand that its going up there. But Georgia isnt everywhere. The protest have most likely affected the amount of people who have it. But it just depends on where and how the protestors are acting...</quote> Similarly, DC has been dropping in cases consistently. Despite being a huge area for protests. Fact of the matter is, the number of people participating in protests is insignificant compared to the working population at large. Sending people back to work, crammed in office buildings and riding public transit together, represents 100-fold (or more) greater number of people closely interacting with each other, compared to the number of people participating in protests. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/12/20 2:53:18 PM #62:	Clench281 posted... Fact of the matter is, the number of people participating in protests is insignificant compared to the working population at large. This is something a lot of people don't seem to grasp. Yeah, the protests are a lot of people, and when dealing with something like this, that's not a good idea (at least it doesn't seem to be, even if actual results have defied that expectation in some cases), but compared to everyone in the country going back to work/school/church/bars/whatever? It's a drop in the bucket, especially where the protests are relatively isolated events and not something that happens for 8+ hours a day every day. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:942017398] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>Clench281 posted... </cite> <quote>Fact of the matter is, the number of people participating in protests is insignificant compared to the working population at large.</quote> This is something a lot of people don't seem to grasp. Yeah, the protests are a lot of people, and when dealing with something like this, that's not a good idea (at least it doesn't seem to be, even if actual results have defied that expectation in some cases), but compared to everyone in the country going back to work/school/church/bars/whatever? It's a drop in the bucket, especially where the protests are relatively isolated events and not something that happens for 8+ hours a day every day. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aculo 07/12/20 4:05:32 PM #63:	Clench281 posted... Sending people back to work, crammed in office buildings and riding public transit together, represents 100-fold (or more) greater number of people closely interacting with each other, compared to the number of people participating in protests. so what's the main factor of the spikes? there are many countries, much more packed than ours, also working in small spaces, also packed into public transportation, who's numbers are monumentally lower than ours, ok? --- ok? <cite>Aculo posted [p:942020191] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>Clench281 posted... </cite> <quote>Sending people back to work, crammed in office buildings and riding public transit together, represents 100-fold (or more) greater number of people closely interacting with each other, compared to the number of people participating in protests.</quote>so what's the main factor of the spikes? there are many countries, much more packed than ours, also working in small spaces, also packed into public transportation, who's numbers are monumentally lower than ours, ok? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chaosbowser 07/12/20 4:08:45 PM #64:	KnoxKorner posted... On the surface level this does seem like a pretty funny contradiction. However, it seems we are being serious so lets explain why they're different. A social gathering likely runs under the assumption that a bunch of people familiar with each other are spending time together. This means that most likely there's no precautions being taken with these people like mask wearing. A protest is a bunch of people likely unfamiliar with one another so they're going to be likely taking some precautions like mask wearing. I mean there's not really much hard math behind either recommendation but basically they feel gatherings of more than a 100 make even social distancing + mask wearing possibly not sufficient for preventing spread. I was not a fan of people protesting during a pandemic either but it seems places where the virus has spiked are not protest hotspots. They're mainly southern and western states that have made pretty weak efforts to curb viral spread through policy in general so the protests are unlikely the cause of our current second wave. --- I love people. I hate people. <cite>chaosbowser posted [p:942020309] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>KnoxKorner posted... </cite> <quote> </quote> On the surface level this does seem like a pretty funny contradiction. However, it seems we are being serious so lets explain why they're different. A social gathering likely runs under the assumption that a bunch of people familiar with each other are spending time together. This means that most likely there's no precautions being taken with these people like mask wearing. A protest is a bunch of people likely unfamiliar with one another so they're going to be likely taking some precautions like mask wearing. I mean there's not really much hard math behind either recommendation but basically they feel gatherings of more than a 100 make even social distancing + mask wearing possibly not sufficient for preventing spread. I was not a fan of people protesting during a pandemic either but it seems places where the virus has spiked are not protest hotspots. They're mainly southern and western states that have made pretty weak efforts to curb viral spread through policy in general so the protests are unlikely the cause of our current second wave. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 07/12/20 4:15:23 PM #65:	DirtBasedSoap posted... idk maybe because we live here and its fault of the dumbasses in this country? No, you are PART of the problem. B-B-BUT I DIDN'T EVEN DO ANY- No one fucking cares, stop pretending like you're excused from the stupidity of the other people who live in the same place as you. --- "It feels like I'm always wrong." "Nah, that's not true...I mean you just made that statement, didn't you?" <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:942020559] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>DirtBasedSoap posted... </cite> <quote>idk maybe because we live here and its fault of the dumbasses in this country?</quote> No, you are PART of the problem. <quote>B-B-BUT I DIDN'T EVEN DO ANY-</quote> No one fucking cares, stop pretending like you're excused from the stupidity of the other people who live in the same place as you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/12/20 4:15:57 PM #66:	That's a whole lot of words to make excuses for this obvious bs contradiction. And then saying one protest is ok but another one isn't. Lol what a fucking joke this is <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:942020585] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>That's a whole lot of words to make excuses for this obvious bs contradiction. And then saying one protest is ok but another one isn't. Lol what a fucking joke this is </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/12/20 4:21:02 PM #67:	Solid Sonic posted... stop pretending like you're excused from the stupidity of the other people who live in the same place as you. unlike you, who is really taking full responsibility of stupidity with your post --- The Betrayer <cite>Mead posted [p:942020768] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>Solid Sonic posted... </cite> <quote>stop pretending like you're excused from the stupidity of the other people who live in the same place as you.</quote> unlike you, who is really taking full responsibility of stupidity with your post </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aculo 07/12/20 4:22:20 PM #68:	https://youtu.be/8kkBseVTUow --- ok? <cite>Aculo posted [p:942020829] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/8kkBseVTUow </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chaosbowser 07/12/20 4:23:17 PM #69:	OhhhJa posted... That's a whole lot of words to make excuses for this obvious bs contradiction. And then saying one protest is ok but another one isn't. Lol what a fucking joke this is It isn't really contradictory though. Their reasoning just requires you to use your brain. They are not "condemning" protesting and it later even states that this should not be confused with being permissive to the idea of large gatherings in general. This means they aren't going to condemn the protests but would obviously prefer people not do large gatherings. They make a point to address anti-stay at home protests because these are basically protests challenging their own policies which OF COURSE they won't be okay with. --- I love people. I hate people. <cite>chaosbowser posted [p:942020870] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>That's a whole lot of words to make excuses for this obvious bs contradiction. And then saying one protest is ok but another one isn't. Lol what a fucking joke this is</quote> It isn't really contradictory though. Their reasoning just requires you to use your brain. They are not "condemning" protesting and it later even states that this should not be confused with being permissive to the idea of large gatherings in general. This means they aren't going to condemn the protests but would obviously prefer people not do large gatherings. They make a point to address anti-stay at home protests because these are basically protests challenging their own policies which OF COURSE they won't be okay with. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 07/12/20 4:23:42 PM #70:	Mead posted... unlike you, who is really taking full responsibility of stupidity with your post The futility and desperation is painfully evident in this post. Your desire to absolve yourself of the anti-intellectualism of your country's people will do nothing against the ugly reality that you are still living there. --- "It feels like I'm always wrong." "Nah, that's not true...I mean you just made that statement, didn't you?" <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:942020893] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>unlike you, who is really taking full responsibility of stupidity with your post</quote> The futility and desperation is painfully evident in this post. Your desire to absolve yourself of the anti-intellectualism of your country's people will do nothing against the ugly reality that you are still living there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 07/12/20 4:23:58 PM #71:	Solid Sonic posted... Just to be clear, my refusal to wear a mask when in populated areas is not a personal failure on my part, but a societal failure of the entire community. It's the fault of ALL OF YOU that I'm an idiot! <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:942020899] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>Solid Sonic posted... </cite> <quote>Just to be clear, my refusal to wear a mask when in populated areas is not a personal failure on my part, but a societal failure of the entire community. It's the fault of ALL OF YOU that I'm an idiot!</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 07/12/20 4:25:47 PM #72:	There is no such thing as "just because I live here doesn't mean I'm as stupid as everyone else". You live there, that's enough. --- "It feels like I'm always wrong." "Nah, that's not true...I mean you just made that statement, didn't you?" <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:942020954] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>There is no such thing as "just because I live here doesn't mean I'm as stupid as everyone else". You live there, that's enough. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MartianManchild 07/12/20 4:45:35 PM #73:	I havent tested positive for it yet so whatever Im doing is working for me. <cite>MartianManchild posted [p:942021747] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>I havent tested positive for it yet so whatever Im doing is working for me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 07/12/20 5:21:36 PM #74:	Aculo posted... so what's the main factor of the spikes? there are many countries, much more packed than ours, also working in small spaces, also packed into public transportation, who's numbers are monumentally lower than ours, ok? I think those places maybe have more people with masks, though... OhhhJa posted... That's a whole lot of words to make excuses for this obvious bs contradiction. And then saying one protest is ok but another one isn't. Lol what a fucking joke this is I mean, it can be, though. If theres one protest where everyone is getting regularly tested and wearing mask, that protest might be fine. If there was a other where people were showing symptoms and no one was wearing masks, and stuff like that, then itll probably end up with more cases... Solid Sonic posted... You live there, that's enough. Well, would you like to give everyone the money they need to move. Even if I wanted to, I couldnt just move out of country and love a good life. I probably couldnt even move to another country and live a bad life. Haha. --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:942023081] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>Aculo posted...</cite> <quote>so what's the main factor of the spikes? there are many countries, much more packed than ours, also working in small spaces, also packed into public transportation, who's numbers are monumentally lower than ours, ok?</quote> I think those places maybe have more people with masks, though... OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>That's a whole lot of words to make excuses for this obvious bs contradiction. And then saying one protest is ok but another one isn't. Lol what a fucking joke this is </quote> I mean, it can be, though. If theres one protest where everyone is getting regularly tested and wearing mask, that protest might be fine. If there was a other where people were showing symptoms and no one was wearing masks, and stuff like that, then itll probably end up with more cases... Solid Sonic posted...</cite> <quote>You live there, that's enough.</quote> Well, would you like to give everyone the money they need to move. Even if I wanted to, I couldnt just move out of country and love a good life. I probably couldnt even move to another country and live a bad life. Haha.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/12/20 5:39:52 PM #75:	I'm sorry but the government doesn't get to decide what protests are ok and which ones aren't <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:942023764] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>I'm sorry but the government doesn't get to decide what protests are ok and which ones aren't </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yellow 07/12/20 6:13:00 PM #76:	Before anyone questions the source https://www.kayak.com/travel-restrictions#germany Only makes sense as we're very infected. Don't think it has much to do with xenophobia, we're just a hotspot due to incompetence and corruption. The two go hand in hand, I'd wager the people most easily bought off also aren't the brightest. Europe is coordinating to reopen with countries that are competent enough to contain the virus. Most other countries are left out. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZNqaAh6iLU <cite>Yellow posted [p:942025021] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>Before anyone questions the source https://www.kayak.com/travel-restrictions#germany Only makes sense as we're very infected. Don't think it has much to do with xenophobia, we're just a hotspot due to incompetence and corruption. The two go hand in hand, I'd wager the people most easily bought off also aren't the brightest. Europe is coordinating to reopen with countries that are competent enough to contain the virus. Most other countries are left out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/12/20 7:24:49 PM #77:	OhhhJa posted... That's a whole lot of words to make excuses for this obvious bs contradiction. To summarize, friends hanging out and being comfortable with each other is generally going to entail riskier, less cautious behaviour than going to a protest with a bunch of strangers that you're more wary of, so the double standard makes some degree of sense. OhhhJa posted... And then saying one protest is ok but another one isn't. Most would consider police brutality to be a bigger problem than empirically justifiable public health restrictions, so it's not really surprising that protests against the former are being regarded more highly than protests against the latter. Especially where those attending the former are generally better about distancing and wearing masks than those who are protesting against those very guidelines. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:942027790] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>That's a whole lot of words to make excuses for this obvious bs contradiction.</quote> To summarize, friends hanging out and being comfortable with each other is generally going to entail riskier, less cautious behaviour than going to a protest with a bunch of strangers that you're more wary of, so the double standard makes some degree of sense. OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>And then saying one protest is ok but another one isn't.</quote> Most would consider police brutality to be a bigger problem than empirically justifiable public health restrictions, so it's not really surprising that protests against the former are being regarded more highly than protests against the latter. Especially where those attending the former are generally better about distancing and wearing masks than those who are protesting against those very guidelines. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/12/20 7:56:12 PM #78:	If I decide to protest against government overreach (while wearing a mask) that should be ok then. Somehow I think it wouldn't be. It's only ok if BLM is involved <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:942029078] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>If I decide to protest against government overreach (while wearing a mask) that should be ok then. Somehow I think it wouldn't be. It's only ok if BLM is involved </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/12/20 7:58:36 PM #79:	let's not even talk about the arbitrarily decided on number of 100 for protests lol. Protesters haven't been following that guidelines anyway but somehow I'm guessing the CDC and WHO didn't scientifically surmise that 100 is totally cool. Let's also not mention that at least when its your friends or family gathering, you can actually ask if anyone is sick or not and decide whether or not to meet with them <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:942029158] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>let's not even talk about the arbitrarily decided on number of 100 for protests lol. Protesters haven't been following that guidelines anyway but somehow I'm guessing the CDC and WHO didn't scientifically surmise that 100 is totally cool. Let's also not mention that at least when its your friends or family gathering, you can actually ask if anyone is sick or not and decide whether or not to meet with them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/13/20 1:11:56 AM #80:	OhhhJa posted... If I decide to protest against government overreach (while wearing a mask) that should be ok then. Not when that "overreach" is the aforementioned empirically justifiable public health restrictions. You can't protest science. Science doesn't listen to you. It doesn't matter how much you complain, the factual reality of the matter is that those restrictions will continue to be the best available option. All complaining does is pressure the government to ignore science and act against everyone's best medical wishes, which really is not a very good idea. OhhhJa posted... Somehow I think it wouldn't be. I mean, it's still legal either way. The CDC condemning people protesting against the best available medical advice is not a legal penalty for doing so, it's simply doctors and epidemiologists saying that protesting against medicine and epidemiology is dumb. They're well within their rights to express that opinion. OhhhJa posted... Let's also not mention that at least when its your friends or family gathering, you can actually ask if anyone is sick or not and decide whether or not to meet with them If you want to rely on self-diagnoses for an illness with a sizable presymptomatic transmission period and substantial symptomatic overlap with many common trivial illnesses, sure. That's not necessarily the most reliable, though, especially when you consider that a "social gathering" larger than 12 people is very likely to have people you don't know well enough to know their recent medical history. Keeping it smaller enables you to do exactly what you're suggesting, since then you can feasibly talk to everyone and find out how cautious they've been lately. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:942039091] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>If I decide to protest against government overreach (while wearing a mask) that should be ok then.</quote> Not when that "overreach" is the aforementioned empirically justifiable public health restrictions. You can't protest science. Science doesn't listen to you. It doesn't matter how much you complain, the factual reality of the matter is that those restrictions will continue to be the best available option. All complaining does is pressure the government to ignore science and act against everyone's best medical wishes, which really is not a very good idea. OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>Somehow I think it wouldn't be.</quote> I mean, it's still legal either way. The CDC condemning people protesting against the best available medical advice is not a legal penalty for doing so, it's simply doctors and epidemiologists saying that protesting against medicine and epidemiology is dumb. They're well within their rights to express that opinion. OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>Let's also not mention that at least when its your friends or family gathering, you can actually ask if anyone is sick or not and decide whether or not to meet with them</quote> If you want to rely on self-diagnoses for an illness with a sizable presymptomatic transmission period and substantial symptomatic overlap with many common trivial illnesses, sure. That's not necessarily the most reliable, though, especially when you consider that a "social gathering" larger than 12 people is very likely to have people you don't know well enough to know their recent medical history. Keeping it smaller enables you to do exactly what you're suggesting, since then you can feasibly talk to everyone and find out how cautious they've been lately. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 07/13/20 1:14:34 AM #81:	OhhhJa posted... Scratch that. Just googled george Floyd and he was killed may 25. So they've been going on since then That is freaking crazy. Just goes to show the freaking infinite time loop my life has become, an endless procession of days where I wake up, watch tv shows/play games and surf the net and go to sleep broken up by occasional trips to the store. I really thought it had only been a few weeks. --- Agatha "Your naked and they are nuns, it's not your eyes they're not looking at." Glowing Elephant "Stonehedge was a sex thing." <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:942039156] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>Scratch that. Just googled george Floyd and he was killed may 25. So they've been going on since then</quote> That is freaking crazy. Just goes to show the freaking infinite time loop my life has become, an endless procession of days where I wake up, watch tv shows/play games and surf the net and go to sleep broken up by occasional trips to the store. I really thought it had only been a few weeks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/13/20 1:18:06 AM #82:	wolfy42 posted... That is freaking crazy. Just goes to show the freaking infinite time loop my life has become, an endless procession of days where I wake up, watch tv shows/play games and surf the net and go to sleep broken up by occasional trips to the store. I really thought it had only been a few weeks. Time basically has no meaning anymore. I had some sense of what day it was when I was still buying turnips in Animal Crossing, since I had to keep track of Sundays for that, but since making enough money to stop doing that, I don't really know anything anymore. Even going back to work hasn't helped because my schedule's only part time and very inconsistent. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:942039238] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>wolfy42 posted... </cite> <quote>That is freaking crazy. Just goes to show the freaking infinite time loop my life has become, an endless procession of days where I wake up, watch tv shows/play games and surf the net and go to sleep broken up by occasional trips to the store. I really thought it had only been a few weeks.</quote> Time basically has no meaning anymore. I had some sense of what day it was when I was still buying turnips in Animal Crossing, since I had to keep track of Sundays for that, but since making enough money to stop doing that, I don't really know anything anymore. Even going back to work hasn't helped because my schedule's only part time and very inconsistent. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chaosbowser 07/13/20 8:51:36 AM #83:	OhhhJa posted... I'm sorry but the government doesn't get to decide what protests are ok and which ones aren't You are really far up your own ass aren't you. The government isn't really saying what protest is okay to attend. Your hypersensitive snowflake mind just tried to find the worst way to read a fairly neutral stance. They basically aren't condemning protests and they're not encouraging them either. They clearly don't want you to do protests a all if it could be helped. They are however discouraging protesting stay at home orders because its in direct opposition to what they recommend. OhhhJa posted... let's not even talk about the arbitrarily decided on number of 100 for protests lol. Protesters haven't been following that guidelines anyway but somehow I'm guessing the CDC and WHO didn't scientifically surmise that 100 is totally cool. Let's also not mention that at least when its your friends or family gathering, you can actually ask if anyone is sick or not and decide whether or not to meet with them I mean people are asking the CDC for a lot of answers they really don't have answer for so yeah 100 is a bit arbitrary. A bit beside the point. As for friends and family that's a pretty bad way to prevent spread. The whole reason this thing is as widespread as it is has to do with the fact that many people are asymptomatic carriers. --- I love people. I hate people. <cite>chaosbowser posted [p:942046644] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>I'm sorry but the government doesn't get to decide what protests are ok and which ones aren't</quote> You are really far up your own ass aren't you. The government isn't really saying what protest is okay to attend. Your hypersensitive snowflake mind just tried to find the worst way to read a fairly neutral stance. They basically aren't condemning protests and they're not encouraging them either. They clearly don't want you to do protests a all if it could be helped. They are however discouraging protesting stay at home orders because its in direct opposition to what they recommend. OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>let's not even talk about the arbitrarily decided on number of 100 for protests lol. Protesters haven't been following that guidelines anyway but somehow I'm guessing the CDC and WHO didn't scientifically surmise that 100 is totally cool. Let's also not mention that at least when its your friends or family gathering, you can actually ask if anyone is sick or not and decide whether or not to meet with them</quote> I mean people are asking the CDC for a lot of answers they really don't have answer for so yeah 100 is a bit arbitrary. A bit beside the point. As for friends and family that's a pretty bad way to prevent spread. The whole reason this thing is as widespread as it is has to do with the fact that many people are asymptomatic carriers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/13/20 10:21:39 AM #84:	chaosbowser posted... The whole reason this thing is as widespread as it is has to do with the fact that many people are asymptomatic carriers. It was either the CDC or WHO that said asymptomatic people aren't likely to transmit it like 2 weeks ago my dude <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:942048719] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>chaosbowser posted... </cite> <quote>The whole reason this thing is as widespread as it is has to do with the fact that many people are asymptomatic carriers.</quote>It was either the CDC or WHO that said asymptomatic people aren't likely to transmit it like 2 weeks ago my dude </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/13/20 10:28:17 AM #85:	chaosbowser posted... You are really far up your own ass aren't you Imagine being so stuck up your own ass that you think your protests are ok but others aren't. Like you're so self righteous, you only believe protests that you agree with should be allowed and that just because the government currently aligns with you in that front that they should be allowed to continue to cherrypick in the future. Considering the CDC and WHO are still trying to figure out how the virus is transmitted it seems a little disingenuous to be encouraging protests of any kind <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:942048923] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>chaosbowser posted... </cite> <quote>You are really far up your own ass aren't you</quote>Imagine being so stuck up your own ass that you think your protests are ok but others aren't. Like you're so self righteous, you only believe protests that you agree with should be allowed and that just because the government currently aligns with you in that front that they should be allowed to continue to cherrypick in the future. Considering the CDC and WHO are still trying to figure out how the virus is transmitted it seems a little disingenuous to be encouraging protests of any kind </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/13/20 11:49:29 AM #86:	OhhhJa posted... Imagine being so stuck up your own ass that you think your protests are ok but others aren't. I don't have to think that. Science thinks that for me. I just have to listen to science. Empirical reality is fun like that. OhhhJa posted... Considering the CDC and WHO are still trying to figure out how the virus is transmitted it seems a little disingenuous to be encouraging protests of any kind But they aren't encouraging them. They just aren't condemning them, while also giving advisories for how to conduct yourself safely if you do feel the need to participate in one. That's both their responsibility and the extent of their authority. OhhhJa posted... It was either the CDC or WHO that said asymptomatic people aren't likely to transmit it like 2 weeks ago my dude I'm still not entirely clear if that was just looking at fully asymptomatic people or if it also included presymptomatic ones (people who are not currently displaying symptoms, but later do). The possibility of the virus being airborne and not relying purely on droplet transmission has also been bounced around lately, which would make a/pre-symptomatic transmission more of a risk again. The CDC's finding from a couple weeks ago sounds nice and I hope it pans out, but given how rapidly the situation (and therefore our understanding of the disease) is evolving, I'm generally inclined to err on the side of caution for any recommendation they make. It's still going to be safest to limit my unprotected contact with other people to people that I can trust haven't been exposed, rather than simply asymptomatic people. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:942051647] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>Imagine being so stuck up your own ass that you think your protests are ok but others aren't.</quote> I don't have to think that. Science thinks that for me. I just have to listen to science. Empirical reality is fun like that. OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>Considering the CDC and WHO are still trying to figure out how the virus is transmitted it seems a little disingenuous to be encouraging protests of any kind</quote> But they aren't encouraging them. They just aren't condemning them, while also giving advisories for how to conduct yourself safely if you do feel the need to participate in one. That's both their responsibility and the extent of their authority. OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>It was either the CDC or WHO that said asymptomatic people aren't likely to transmit it like 2 weeks ago my dude</quote> I'm still not entirely clear if that was just looking at fully asymptomatic people or if it also included presymptomatic ones (people who are not currently displaying symptoms, but later do). The possibility of the virus being airborne and not relying purely on droplet transmission has also been bounced around lately, which would make a/pre-symptomatic transmission more of a risk again. The CDC's finding from a couple weeks ago sounds nice and I hope it pans out, but given how rapidly the situation (and therefore our understanding of the disease) is evolving, I'm generally inclined to err on the side of caution for any recommendation they make. It's still going to be safest to limit my unprotected contact with other people to people that I can trust haven't been exposed, rather than simply asymptomatic people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
keyblader1985 07/13/20 11:57:43 AM #87:	OhhhJa posted... It was either the CDC or WHO that said asymptomatic people aren't likely to transmit it like 2 weeks ago my dude https://fox6now.com/2020/07/11/silent-transmission-covid-19-largely-spread- by-asymptomatic-presymptomatic-carriers-study-says/ (broken link) Earlier in June, the World Health Organization walked back comments that one of its officials had made on how asymptomatic transmission was rare. Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO official who made the comments, later clarified, calling the comments a misunderstanding. OhhhJa posted... it seems a little disingenuous to be encouraging chaosbowser posted... they're not encouraging them --- Official King of PotD You only need one T-Rex to make the point, though. ~ Samus Sedai <cite>keyblader1985 posted [p:942051963] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>It was either the CDC or WHO that said asymptomatic people aren't likely to transmit it like 2 weeks ago my dude</quote>https://fox6now.com/2020/07/11/silent-transmission-covid-19-largely-spread- by-asymptomatic-presymptomatic-carriers-study-says/ (broken link) <quote>Earlier in June, the World Health Organization walked back comments that one of its officials had made on how asymptomatic transmission was rare. Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO official who made the comments, later clarified, calling the comments a misunderstanding.</quote> OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>it seems a little disingenuous to be encouraging</quote>chaosbowser posted... </cite> <quote>they're not encouraging them</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/13/20 12:10:39 PM #88:	By saying its okay to gather up to 100 people, they are encouraging them. I don't know how else you can spin that. If they weren't encouraging them, they should say something along the lines of "protesting is discouraged but wear a mask if you feel the need" instead of saying "go ahead and form groups of 100 people!" And what if all the stay at home protesters wear masks? Is it OK then? adjl posted... I don't have to think that. Science thinks that for me. I just have to listen to science. Empirical reality is fun like that. People have really transformed science into religion now huh? Science is apparently deciding that one protest of 100 people is ok despite the CDC and WHO still determining how this is being transmitted. All of the info is not out on this virus yet. What a clown world. You guys will 180 on any and everything if it suits your politics. Quit using science to push your narrative. It's shameful <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:942052442] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>By saying its okay to gather up to 100 people, they are encouraging them. I don't know how else you can spin that. If they weren't encouraging them, they should say something along the lines of "protesting is discouraged but wear a mask if you feel the need" instead of saying "go ahead and form groups of 100 people!" And what if all the stay at home protesters wear masks? Is it OK then? adjl posted... </cite> <quote>I don't have to think that. Science thinks that for me. I just have to listen to science. Empirical reality is fun like that.</quote> People have really transformed science into religion now huh? Science is apparently deciding that one protest of 100 people is ok despite the CDC and WHO still determining how this is being transmitted. All of the info is not out on this virus yet. What a clown world. You guys will 180 on any and everything if it suits your politics. Quit using science to push your narrative. It's shameful </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
keyblader1985 07/13/20 12:34:49 PM #89:	Didn't we already have a bunch of stay-at-home protesters not wearing masks, with no repercussions? --- Official King of PotD You only need one T-Rex to make the point, though. ~ Samus Sedai <cite>keyblader1985 posted [p:942053420] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>Didn't we already have a bunch of stay-at-home protesters not wearing masks, with no repercussions? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/13/20 12:44:07 PM #90:	keyblader1985 posted... Didn't we already have a bunch of stay-at-home protesters not wearing masks, with no repercussions? Yeah and they were labeled terrorists. The people protesting right now were saying that people protesting during a pandemic are terrorists <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:942053812] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>keyblader1985 posted... </cite> <quote>Didn't we already have a bunch of stay-at-home protesters not wearing masks, with no repercussions?</quote>Yeah and they were labeled terrorists. The people protesting right now were saying that people protesting during a pandemic are terrorists </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/13/20 12:46:05 PM #91:	Of course the goalposts shifted as soon as leftists started protesting. Now, the narrative is "its ok because most of them have masks on" despite being way more crowded together butt to nut than the stay at home protesters were <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:942053905] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>Of course the goalposts shifted as soon as leftists started protesting. Now, the narrative is "its ok because most of them have masks on" despite being way more crowded together butt to nut than the stay at home protesters were </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 07/13/20 1:24:30 PM #92:	OhhhJa posted... Of course the goalposts shifted as soon as leftists started protesting. Now, the narrative is "its ok because most of them have masks on" despite being way more crowded together butt to nut than the stay at home protesters were People were trying to figure out why there wasn't a huge spike from the BLM protests specifically. Which, in order to even be pondering that question, is to accept that gathering in a big mass like that should be a bad idea, health and safety-wise. ie, the exact opposite of trying to make excuses for it <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:942055449] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>Of course the goalposts shifted as soon as leftists started protesting. Now, the narrative is "its ok because most of them have masks on" despite being way more crowded together butt to nut than the stay at home protesters were</quote>People were trying to figure out why there wasn't a huge spike from the BLM protests specifically. Which, in order to even be pondering that question, is to accept that gathering in a big mass like that should be a bad idea, health and safety-wise. ie, the exact opposite of trying to make excuses for it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
keyblader1985 07/13/20 1:24:58 PM #93:	You're moving your own goalposts. You were talking about the government having a say on allowing protests (which it didn't in both cases) and being pedantic on wording. Now you're talking about the reception from other people in general - in which case the objection was also to the questionable cause, active antagonizing of medical workers with absolutely no basis, and making a point of brandishing weapons. Lots of people - the world over, as proven - would agree systemic police brutality and/or racism is a cause worth fighting for even in the current state of the world. --- Official King of PotD You only need one T-Rex to make the point, though. ~ Samus Sedai <cite>keyblader1985 posted [p:942055466] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>You're moving your own goalposts. You were talking about the government having a say on allowing protests (which it didn't in both cases) and being pedantic on wording. Now you're talking about the reception from other people in general - in which case the objection was also to the questionable cause, active antagonizing of medical workers with absolutely no basis, and making a point of brandishing weapons. Lots of people - the world over, as proven - would agree systemic police brutality and/or racism is a cause worth fighting for even in the current state of the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chaosbowser 07/13/20 1:43:13 PM #94:	OhhhJa posted... It was either the CDC or WHO that said asymptomatic people aren't likely to transmit it like 2 weeks ago my dude Once again people ask the CDC for questions they don't really have the answer to because it's fairly new. We cannot really 100% claim anything because there's just not enough data. The field of medicine is incredibly complicated with an insane number of variables to account. So yes. Expect rapid changes to recommendations. During a surgery scrub training session at the hospital for one of my rotations the clinical educator informed us that PPE recommendations in the first few months of this pandemic changed *daily* before finally reaching a somewhat stable state a month ago. Their reasoning for likely asymptomatic transmission is described here : https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-1595_article OhhhJa posted... Imagine being so stuck up your own ass that you think your protests are ok but others aren't. Like you're so self righteous, you only believe protests that you agree with should be allowed and that just because the government currently aligns with you in that front that they should be allowed to continue to cherrypick in the future. Considering the CDC and WHO are still trying to figure out how the virus is transmitted it seems a little disingenuous to be encouraging protests of any kind Didn't say that at all. Pretty sure I even said at some point I was not a fan of protests during the pandemic. OhhhJa posted... Of course the goalposts shifted as soon as leftists started protesting. Now, the narrative is "its ok because most of them have masks on" despite being way more crowded together butt to nut than the stay at home protesters were You're the only moving goalposts at this point. I've explained that nothing about the CDCs stance on protests suggest that they want any protests to be happening at all. They just aren't condemning them because honestly they know they have no business telling people they can't protest. On top of that adjl has mentioned these are medical recommendations not government mandates. The government hasn't told you that you cant do your protests but doctors are saying that they would prefer you would not. Hence the recommendation to not confuse them not condemning protests with being permissive of them in general. They are going to speak against stay at home protest because once again these are doctors explaining their recommendations. Anti-stay at home protests go against their recommendations. --- I love people. I hate people. <cite>chaosbowser posted [p:942056219] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>It was either the CDC or WHO that said asymptomatic people aren't likely to transmit it like 2 weeks ago my dude</quote> Once again people ask the CDC for questions they don't really have the answer to because it's fairly new. We cannot really 100% claim anything because there's just not enough data. The field of medicine is incredibly complicated with an insane number of variables to account. So yes. Expect rapid changes to recommendations. During a surgery scrub training session at the hospital for one of my rotations the clinical educator informed us that PPE recommendations in the first few months of this pandemic changed daily before finally reaching a somewhat stable state a month ago. Their reasoning for likely asymptomatic transmission is described here : https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-1595_article OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>Imagine being so stuck up your own ass that you think your protests are ok but others aren't. Like you're so self righteous, you only believe protests that you agree with should be allowed and that just because the government currently aligns with you in that front that they should be allowed to continue to cherrypick in the future. Considering the CDC and WHO are still trying to figure out how the virus is transmitted it seems a little disingenuous to be encouraging protests of any kind</quote> Didn't say that at all. Pretty sure I even said at some point I was not a fan of protests during the pandemic. OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>Of course the goalposts shifted as soon as leftists started protesting. Now, the narrative is "its ok because most of them have masks on" despite being way more crowded together butt to nut than the stay at home protesters were</quote> You're the only moving goalposts at this point. I've explained that nothing about the CDCs stance on protests suggest that they want any protests to be happening at all. They just aren't condemning them because honestly they know they have no business telling people they can't protest. On top of that adjl has mentioned these are medical recommendations not government mandates. The government hasn't told you that you cant do your protests but doctors are saying that they would prefer you would not. Hence the recommendation to not confuse them not condemning protests with being permissive of them in general. They are going to speak against stay at home protest because once again these are doctors explaining their recommendations. Anti-stay at home protests go against their recommendations. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chaosbowser 07/13/20 1:51:52 PM #95:	streamofthesky posted... People were trying to figure out why there wasn't a huge spike from the BLM protests specifically. Which, in order to even be pondering that question, is to accept that gathering in a big mass like that should be a bad idea, health and safety-wise. ie, the exact opposite of trying to make excuses for it Also this. We already pointed out that regardless of how unsafe protesting sounds they are not what's causing a second wave. You have no ground to stand on so you're just crying out nonsense at this point. You're not moving on points already proven to be untrue. --- I love people. I hate people. <cite>chaosbowser posted [p:942056559] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>streamofthesky posted... </cite> <quote>People were trying to figure out why there wasn't a huge spike from the BLM protests specifically. Which, in order to even be pondering that question, is to accept that gathering in a big mass like that should be a bad idea, health and safety-wise. ie, the exact opposite of trying to make excuses for it</quote> Also this. We already pointed out that regardless of how unsafe protesting sounds they are not what's causing a second wave. You have no ground to stand on so you're just crying out nonsense at this point. You're not moving on points already proven to be untrue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chaosbowser 07/13/20 1:57:42 PM #96:	Florida today has reached zero ICU availability across the entire state and it's not because of the protests. This is a state that rushed back to reopening and put very few precautions in place afterward to prevent continued spread. All because the big ol orange in command wanted it. --- I love people. I hate people. <cite>chaosbowser posted [p:942056804] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>Florida today has reached zero ICU availability across the entire state and it's not because of the protests. This is a state that rushed back to reopening and put very few precautions in place afterward to prevent continued spread. All because the big ol orange in command wanted it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/13/20 1:58:58 PM #97:	chaosbowser posted... Once again people ask the CDC for questions they don't really have the answer to because it's fairly new. We cannot really 100% claim anything because there's just not enough data. The field of medicine is incredibly complicated with an insane number of variables to account. So yes. Expect rapid changes to recommendations. During a surgery scrub training session at the hospital for one of my rotations the clinical educator informed us that PPE recommendations in the first few months of this pandemic changed daily before finally reaching a somewhat stable state a month ago. Their reasoning for likely asymptomatic transmission is described here : I understand that they're still learning about the virus. I've actually already stated that in earlier posts. I'm saying that shouldn't be putting misleading statements when they themselves don't have 100% understanding of the virus. Its dangerously stupid to be giving the green light on protests period point blank right now. My goalposts haven't shifted. Nobody should be protesting right now. People should be wearing masks as much as possible and only poeple working should be absolutely essential <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:942056861] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>chaosbowser posted... </cite> <quote>Once again people ask the CDC for questions they don't really have the answer to because it's fairly new. We cannot really 100% claim anything because there's just not enough data. The field of medicine is incredibly complicated with an insane number of variables to account. So yes. Expect rapid changes to recommendations. During a surgery scrub training session at the hospital for one of my rotations the clinical educator informed us that PPE recommendations in the first few months of this pandemic changed daily before finally reaching a somewhat stable state a month ago. Their reasoning for likely asymptomatic transmission is described here :</quote>I understand that they're still learning about the virus. I've actually already stated that in earlier posts. I'm saying that shouldn't be putting misleading statements when they themselves don't have 100% understanding of the virus. Its dangerously stupid to be giving the green light on protests period point blank right now. My goalposts haven't shifted. Nobody should be protesting right now. People should be wearing masks as much as possible and only poeple working should be absolutely essential </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
keyblader1985 07/13/20 3:40:07 PM #98:	OhhhJa posted... Its dangerously stupid to be giving the green light on protests period point blank right now. You keep saying that. Not that they apparently have much weight either way, since people on either side of the political spectrum have gathered in protest anyway. OhhhJa posted... Nobody should be protesting right now. And plenty of people disagree would disagree, when the cause is important enough. You don't seem to be grasping that. And you seemed to be upset that one protest probably wouldn't be socially accepted, while simultaneously saying no protests should be accepted. --- Official King of PotD You only need one T-Rex to make the point, though. ~ Samus Sedai <cite>keyblader1985 posted [p:942060960] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>Its dangerously stupid to be giving the green light on protests period point blank right now.</quote>You keep saying that. Not that they apparently have much weight either way, since people on either side of the political spectrum have gathered in protest anyway. OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>Nobody should be protesting right now.</quote>And plenty of people disagree would disagree, when the cause is important enough. You don't seem to be grasping that. And you seemed to be upset that one protest probably wouldn't be socially accepted, while simultaneously saying no protests should be accepted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chaosbowser 07/13/20 3:47:49 PM #99:	OhhhJa posted... I understand that they're still learning about the virus. I've actually already stated that in earlier posts. I'm saying that shouldn't be putting misleading statements when they themselves don't have 100% understanding of the virus. Its dangerously stupid to be giving the green light on protests period point blank right now. My goalposts haven't shifted. Nobody should be protesting right now. People should be wearing masks as much as possible and only poeple working should be absolutely essential Paternalistic medicine is really more of a 1960s thing if youre doctors to tell people how they should live their lives youre going to be severely disappointed. Older doctors may be relics of that era but its just not todays medicine. The CDC is recommending things but it is fully aware it cannot stop people from doing what they want so it is recommending to not from groups larger than 100 people. Really man. --- I love people. I hate people. <cite>chaosbowser posted [p:942061270] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>I understand that they're still learning about the virus. I've actually already stated that in earlier posts. I'm saying that shouldn't be putting misleading statements when they themselves don't have 100% understanding of the virus. Its dangerously stupid to be giving the green light on protests period point blank right now. My goalposts haven't shifted. Nobody should be protesting right now. People should be wearing masks as much as possible and only poeple working should be absolutely essential</quote> Paternalistic medicine is really more of a 1960s thing if youre doctors to tell people how they should live their lives youre going to be severely disappointed. Older doctors may be relics of that era but its just not todays medicine. The CDC is recommending things but it is fully aware it cannot stop people from doing what they want so it is recommending to not from groups larger than 100 people. Really man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/13/20 4:21:34 PM #100:	OhhhJa posted... By saying its okay to gather up to 100 people, they are encouraging them. I don't know how else you can spin that. If they weren't encouraging them, they should say something along the lines of "protesting is discouraged but wear a mask if you feel the need" instead of saying "go ahead and form groups of 100 people!" It's a neutral statement, not an encouraging one. Encouragement is an act of its own, not merely the absence of discouragement. If anything, the fact that they're placing limits at all indicates that there is some danger, which is more discouraging than anything else. OhhhJa posted... And what if all the stay at home protesters wear masks? Is it OK then? From a public health perspective? It'd help. From the perspective of the organization issuing medical advice? They'd probably still object to protests against that medical advice. Again, the CDC is not a legislative agency. They're a bunch of doctors saying "please stop protesting against the best medical advice we have because you won't change that fact." They're not making anything illegal, just telling people to stop interfering with the response (note that many of the anti-lockdown protests have including harassing medical staff, which the CDC obviously needs to object to). OhhhJa posted... People have really transformed science into religion now huh? Science is apparently deciding that one protest of 100 people is ok despite the CDC and WHO still determining how this is being transmitted. No, science is the one saying that staying home reduces the risk of transmission, which in turn is informing stay-at-home orders. People protesting stay-at-home orders are therefore protesting science. Protests against science are foolish and futile, and in a pandemic situation where protesting comes with a cost to public safety, that means they aren't okay. By comparison, protests against things which people can actually control are decidedly less foolish and futile, and it's therefore potentially possible to justify them against the public safety cost of having them. The 100 person thing is indeed arbitrary, particularly where pretty much everyone has been surprised by how little transmission has been seen at these protests. That's not what I'm referring to when I say that science justifies differentiating protests like this. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:942062595] in American p... [t:78839965]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>By saying its okay to gather up to 100 people, they are encouraging them. I don't know how else you can spin that. If they weren't encouraging them, they should say something along the lines of "protesting is discouraged but wear a mask if you feel the need" instead of saying "go ahead and form groups of 100 people!"</quote> It's a neutral statement, not an encouraging one. Encouragement is an act of its own, not merely the absence of discouragement. If anything, the fact that they're placing limits at all indicates that there is some danger, which is more discouraging than anything else. OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>And what if all the stay at home protesters wear masks? Is it OK then?</quote> From a public health perspective? It'd help. From the perspective of the organization issuing medical advice? They'd probably still object to protests against that medical advice. Again, the CDC is not a legislative agency. They're a bunch of doctors saying "please stop protesting against the best medical advice we have because you won't change that fact." They're not making anything illegal, just telling people to stop interfering with the response (note that many of the anti-lockdown protests have including harassing medical staff, which the CDC obviously needs to object to). OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>People have really transformed science into religion now huh? Science is apparently deciding that one protest of 100 people is ok despite the CDC and WHO still determining how this is being transmitted.</quote> No, science is the one saying that staying home reduces the risk of transmission, which in turn is informing stay-at-home orders. People protesting stay-at-home orders are therefore protesting science. Protests against science are foolish and futile, and in a pandemic situation where protesting comes with a cost to public safety, that means they aren't okay. By comparison, protests against things which people can actually control are decidedly less foolish and futile, and it's therefore potentially possible to justify them against the public safety cost of having them. The 100 person thing is indeed arbitrary, particularly where pretty much everyone has been surprised by how little transmission has been seen at these protests. That's not what I'm referring to when I say that science justifies differentiating protests like this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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