Poll of the Day > Effects of slavery

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Does the after-effects of slavery still hinder Black people in America. I believe the past generations passed down things from slavery that still carry on today and we know racism is just as rampant as it ever was so there is that. When you systematically deny someone access for generations and decades, that has to have a lingering effect.

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Yes.

Source: >__>

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Blame the parents

Our entire law enforcement structure is still built on the foundations of slave capturing

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I don't see how it could reasonably affect African Americans alive today. Most of them are not well read enough to be familiar with the topic.

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Bligh, take a damn break lmao

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I had to read that twice to see if he had actually said that. Trying some account suicide?

No, he's just always trolling about shit because he plays too much!

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Anyone who doesn't t think so is clearly lving in denial.

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It's funny to me that people think almost 250 years of slavery would be resolved in nearly half the time since its ending. It doesn't help that people have quite literally oppressed that population in the decades since, leaving limited room for actual growth. Even as recently as the 70s there was housing discrimination and white flight opposing the mere idea of having a non-white neighbor. Like this shit is well within out parents generation
Nowadays the people are definitely less racist than their grandparents but the systems and programs from the age of slavery still remain, as well as the psychological effects on us as a nation.

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racism is clearly not as rampant as it used to be.

long way to go, but we have also come a long way
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Considering free, forced labor is still legal provided the person you're doing it to has been put in prison? Uh, obviously, yes.

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Extreme_light posted...

It's funny to me that people think almost 250 years of slavery would be resolved in nearly half the time since its ending. It doesn't help that people have quite literally oppressed that population in the decades since, leaving limited room for actual growth. Even as recently as the 70s there was housing discrimination and white flight opposing the mere idea of having a non-white neighbor. Like this shit is well within out parents generation
Nowadays the people are definitely less racist than their grandparents but the systems and programs from the age of slavery still remain, as well as the psychological effects on us as a nation.

Nailed it. Even some things in the 90s leading to 9/11 made people uncomfortable outside of their race.
People almost forget that people are still living with an old mindset and are still trying to push that mindset.
It trips me out that holocaust in Germany is only like 100 years ago. Feels like some only great, great, great grandparents that are long gone would have gone through. There's still a few people alive from then.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

I had to read that twice to see if he had actually said that. Trying some account suicide?

Lmao

Mods don't give a rat's ass about white supremacy my friend

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No, although you could argue more recent programs have had an impact, considering that Jim Crow laws were only repealed in the 60s. That said, there are young people reaching adulthood today whose *grandparents* were born after Jim Crow ended. Likewise there are other persecuted groups -- including Asian-Americans -- who suffered indignities that even African-Americans weren't put through at the time (specifically internment camps in the case of Asian-Americans).

American slavery effectively ended at the conclusion of the Civil War in 1865. Many African-American's grandparents' grandparents weren't old enough to have been slaves. At a certain point, it becomes hard to blame that for everything bad today.

<a onclick="return show_quoted_message(3, 78793281, 941068355, '559c99ff');" href="/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/78793281/941068355">BUMPED2002 posted... </a>

Does the after-effects of slavery still hinder Black people in America. I believe the past generations passed down things from slavery that still carry on today and we know racism is just as rampant as it ever was so there is that. When you systematically deny someone access for generations and decades, that has to have a lingering effect.

Racism predates slavery and was/is present even in nations that didn't have a system of African slavery.


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https://www.livescience.com/61886-modern-slavery-united-states-antoinette-harrell.html
https://thecrimereport.org/2019/06/03/539754/


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Blightzkrieg posted...

Lmao

Mods don't give a rat's ass about white supremacy my friend

Apparently not.

Depends how far you want to trace it back.

I think garden-variety racism has a lot more to do with inequality in the US than lingering after-effects of slavery, but there's a credible argument to be made that the latter is tied to the former.

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

I take it back. You ARE the Zeus of the left.

prove me wrong big boy

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I think slavery was product of racism, not the other way around so no, they are effected by continuing racism

Maybe I'm wrong but to me it seems like slavery isnt the cause but a separate symptom of a bigger issue

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

Prove yourself right old man

here you go you sexy animal you

https://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/brief-history-slavery-and-origins-american-policing

https://time.com/4779112/police-history-origins/

https://lawenforcementmuseum.org/2019/07/10/slave-patrols-an-early-form-of-american-policing/


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Muscles posted...

I think slavery was product of racism, not the other way around so no, they are effected by continuing racism

Maybe I'm wrong but to me it seems like slavery isnt the cause but a separate symptom of a bigger issue

Eh the roots are from Spain and Portugal being the first to seriously colonize the new world and being knowledgeable about the african slave trade and using bible verses to justify it.

PyroBlade1985 posted...

Even if you're right, that doesn't justify blind hatred of modern police.

who even said anything about that, lol

its the shitty cops that make all the good cops look bad

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

I take it back. You ARE the Zeus of the left.

...what? If you think Mead is somehow my antithesis, you greatly misunderstand me, sir. He's really more of a frenemy when he doesn't have me ignored/blocked or vice versa.

Muscles posted...

I think slavery was product of racism, not the other way around so no, they are effected by continuing racism

Maybe I'm wrong but to me it seems like slavery isnt the cause but a separate symptom of a bigger issue

Technically American slavery was the product of indentured servitude which was color-blind, but over time became increasingly racial.

Whether racism predates all slavery or vice versa is trickier, because both slavery and racism have long histories. However, forms of slavery were practiced in societies with only one race so the two aren't necessarily linked all the time even if the word "slave" is derived from "Slav" and references to the taking of Slavic people into bondage by outside groups, particularly Muslims.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Eh the roots are from Spain and Portugal being the first to seriously colonize the new world and being knowledgeable about the african slave trade and using bible verses to justify it.

The system of slavery in the US started with the extension of indentured servitude, which was non-racial.

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since slavery is still ongoing... ... premise failed

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

And all the looters and arsonists make the "peaceful protesters" look bad.

wow you certainly posted a sentence

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

Do you not think the looters and arsonists make the protesters look bad?

They make themselves look bad but its not like protesters have any authority over them

nobody in this topic said anything about having a blind hatred for all police but for some reason that is the strawman youre railing against with your whataboutism

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Lokarin posted...

since slavery is still ongoing... ... premise failed

The argument refers to the system of LEGAL American slavery, which ended circa 1865. Obviously you still have things like sex trafficking and all manner of illegal slavery in the US, as well as slavery outside the US.

And it's worth remembering that the US broke off from Britain partly to preserve the institution of slavery and, had the US not formed, slavery in this nation would have ended much sooner.

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

Do you not think the looters and arsonists make the protesters look bad?

Sure, don't address my grievance and feel free to let Mead wind you up.

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Zeus posted...
The argument refers to the system of LEGAL American slavery, which ended circa 1865.

Except that it literally did not end owing to the fact that they deliberately wrote an exemption into the 13th Amendment of the Constitution, which you would know if you had ever bothered to read said amendment.

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I think it will still affect more generations. It was complicated because health, lifestyle, backgrounds, economics, and politics were affected.

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Interestingly I had a discussion with a friend about ways slavery could actually be good, and different types that are still in effect. I went with an argument that slavery actually still exists to some extent even in this country now, since parenthood is similar in some ways.

Children are in effect slaves to their parents until they are old enough, but we do have protections for them, and the slave owners can not abuse them without repercussions etc.

Sadly another example of slavery that is currently in effect is much worse, which is our prison system, especially the for profit prisons. I kinda of used one as a positive example and the other as a very negative example. Even the positive example of parents though can be abused and sometimes is, so slavery over all is a bad thing, but it doesn't HAVE to be, just sadly humans are a mixed bag, and while you have many good "parents" you also can have some very bad ones.


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wolfy42 posted...

Children are in effect slaves to their parents until they are old enough, but we do have protections for them, and the slave owners can not abuse them without repercussions etc.

For some reason I find this train of thought horrifying.

I can't say I've thought about it in that way, or acted in a particularly forceful manner (even verbally). Firm, sure, but even that only when it's been particularly called for. (I.E. I'm serious, in a dead serious tone.) Usually spend time explaining what should or shouldn't be done and why.

And I had a lot of luck with that, up until ended up homeless for a while and kid ended up living with his dad.

Definitely think it plays a role along with segregation and the war on drugs. Sometimes it seems like the slavery system just switched to privately owned prisons.

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All the survivors of slavery were strong from hard work and resilience, now their ancestors are now jacked af and playing all the pro sports.

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ChaosAzeroth posted...

For some reason I find this train of thought horrifying.

It is in a way, but luckily most parents do not act like that at all, but some do, and most could.
The point was kinda that parents actually have that kind of power, so slavery doesn't actually HAVE to be bad, it just basically ends up that way most of the time.

In a society with rules and protections, children who are basically slaves to their parents and must do what they say, are not treated badly in most cases at least. So it shows that you could have a system that wasn't all bad at least in theory.

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darcandkharg31 posted...

All the survivors of slavery were strong from hard work and resilience, now their ancestors are now jacked af and playing all the pro sports.

Blighboy Jr.?

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No and anyone who says otherwise is a closet racist, probably blaming their status on their genes.

What was it, 3 generations agon the entire demographic had zero dollars and zero cents, in a country where the poor tend to stay poor and the rich tend to stay rich?

Edit I meant yes lol. No glasses atm.

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wolfy42 posted...

It is in a way, but luckily most parents do not act like that at all, but some do, and most could.
The point was kinda that parents actually have that kind of power, so slavery doesn't actually HAVE to be bad, it just basically ends up that way most of the time.

In a society with rules and protections, children who are basically slaves to their parents and must do what they say, are not treated badly in most cases at least. So it shows that you could have a system that wasn't all bad at least in theory.

I suppose I can see where you're coming from, but it's still such an odd thought to me ngl.

wolfy42 posted...

Interestingly I had a discussion with a friend about ways slavery could actually be good, and different types that are still in effect. I went with an argument that slavery actually still exists to some extent even in this country now, since parenthood is similar in some ways.

Children are in effect slaves to their parents until they are old enough, but we do have protections for them, and the slave owners can not abuse them without repercussions etc.

Sadly another example of slavery that is currently in effect is much worse, which is our prison system, especially the for profit prisons. I kinda of used one as a positive example and the other as a very negative example. Even the positive example of parents though can be abused and sometimes is, so slavery over all is a bad thing, but it doesn't HAVE to be, just sadly humans are a mixed bag, and while you have many good "parents" you also can have some very bad ones.

Why are you mentioning stuff like this as "slavery" when there are examples of actual slavery such as sex slavery?
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