Poll of the Day > Another death by police shooting

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/13/us/atlanta-police-shooting-rayshard-brooks.html

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While there may be debate as to whether this was an appropriate use of deadly force, I firmly believe that there is a clear distinction between what you can do and what you should do, Ms. Bottoms said. I do not believe that this was a justified use of deadly force.

this right here

the guy should be in jail waiting to hear his court date for one he did, instead he got killed in the street

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The guy grabbed a Taser from the police officer and pointed it at him! Do the african american think they untouchable now?

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Mead posted...

this right here

the guy should be in jail waiting to hear his court date for one he did, instead he got killed in the street

Hard to tell but he fired a taser and it looked like he hit the 1st officer at point blank and then as he's running he fires it again but the officer's chasing him and I don't think he knew if the other officer was behind him are not so he could have been incapacitated with no support. I feel like we're getting to the point now where people just think cops shouldn't even be allowed to defend themselves

Lobomoon posted...

The guy grabbed a Taser from the police officer and pointed it at him! Do the african american think they untouchable now?

why is the police officer so incompetent that he loses a taser to a sleeping drunk guy that they initiated the encounter on to begin with

if using a taser justifies an escalation to murder (it doesn't btw), it should not be lost under any circumstances

why would they even need to chase him when they have his vehicle information, and, uh, his entire vehicle

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So he grabbed an officer's weapon? Isn't it weird that there's more outrage over a suspect grabbing an officer's weapon being gunned down than there is over an unarmed person of interest being shot in the back?

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The guy not only was drunk but stole a taser gun from a officer. None lethal take-down would have been best but it is what it is. Clearly this story was shared to capitalise on current events obviously.

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I watched the video and it looked like the black guy knew exactly what he was doing. He started a fight with the police officers hoping to be a star of his own "police brutality" video but probably expected it not to escalate beyond Tasers.

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Lobomoon posted...

I watched the video and it looked like the black guy knew exactly what he was doing. He started a fight with the police officers hoping to be a star of his own "police brutality" video but probably expected it not to escalate beyond Tasers.

bootlicker

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"He grabbed the cop's weapon!" - some idiot

He grabbed the cop's taser... and seeing how he grabbed it from the cops, there's no saying they mistook it for a gun. They knew it was a taser, which means they knew the taser has a limited effective range, and they knew that even if they were hit by the taser that it would be a non-lethal strike.

Yet, they killed him anyway.

And yet still, some fucking absolute morons are defending the police actions.

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Mad_Max posted...

and they knew that even if they were hit by the taser that it would be a non-lethal strike.

Yea, many things in life are not supposed to be lethal, but sometimes can be.

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Lobomoon posted...

many things in life are not supposed to be lethal, but sometimes can be.

being arrested by cops is #1 on this list these days

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Lobomoon posted...

Yea, many things in life are not supposed to be lethal, but sometimes can be.

Then maybe when cops use them they should be considered lethal force.

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@Zeus posted...

Isn't it weird that there's more outrage over a suspect grabbing an officer's weapon being gunned down than there is over an unarmed person of interest being shot in the back?

Could you clarify what you are referring to?

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Mad_Max posted...

And yet still, some fucking absolute morons are defending the police actions.

He stole a cops weapon. A taser is a weapon. I agree that none lethal force should have been used here but I also think a drunk person who is caught sleeping at the wheel shouldn't be grabbing and running off with a cops weapon or any weapon for that matter in the first place. Hell he should not have even been behind a wheel while drunk. The breath test proved this guy had been drinking so perhaps before you start calling people "fucking absolute morons" you should be calling a drunk driver who ran off with a cops weapon a "fucking absolute moron".

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wwinterj25 posted...

I agree that none lethal force should have been

Point stands, then.

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Unfortunately the non-lethal option was taken away. Literally.


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Lobomoon posted...

Unfortunately the non-lethal option was taken away. Literally.

So they're trained to use guns when they don't have a taser?
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Lobomoon posted...

Unfortunately the non-lethal option was taken away. Literally.

tfw piggys boot is tastey

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Lobomoon posted...

The guy grabbed a Taser from the police officer and pointed it at him! Do the african american think they untouchable now?

That's probably the endgame the complaining ones have in mind actually.

Why they're going hard on trying to shut down any and all questions of what led up to police altercation from the get go in most of these topics.

It's usually "uh uh dont do that you wouldnt ask these questions if they werent black etc etc" like it all invalidates that the question or its importance.

Just go with it for now...this phase theyll get over as phases often go

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So when your arguments run dry you go for personal attacks?

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Mad_Max posted...

Point stands, then.

Meh. This guy still shouldn't have been behind a wheel.

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Lobomoon posted...

So when your arguments run dry you go for personal attacks?

There was no personal attack in the post you quoted.
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I'll just say people with more than 0 brain cells would do the exact opposite of what this guy did starting with not getting behind the wheel and ending by not attacking a cop, stealing their taser and firing it at them. I mean, come the fuck on

So Ive watched this video a bit and Ive honestly have tried to find a way to clear the officers. But after dissecting the whole thing, its hard to impossible.

Where I differ from the rest of the world, it seems, is that the guy was sleeping in the car. Had some drinks, yes, but still chose to sleep in the car. He wasnt a threat. Cops came over and did their investigative crap that isnt really meant to determine if the public is at risk or not... no. Theyre just looking to see if they can charge someone. You can tell when one officer asks the other, Was he in the drivers seat? Was the car on?

But in any case, Ill concede that they wanted to make sure he wasnt going to drive and hurt anyone with his one and a half drinks he had. AND it looked like he passed the sobriety gymnastics crap they had him do.

Now, he messed up when he decided to fight the cops. Now thats an additional charge of resisting arrest. He will now have to face those charges and possible sentence for those actions. Grabbing the taser, and shooting was also a bad idea, and would be additional charges. But again, he would have to face those charges as well.

The officers knew he was armed with their own taser, and that it only had one shot. The man was running away. Even IF they were too lazy to chase after him, they have his vehicle. He wont be drinking and driving that night. They have his ID, registration info, insurance, etc. They will easily get a warrant, and find him.

But instead... they chose to shoot, in the back, an individual which they themselves deemed under the influence. See how no matter how you try to justify it, it just doesnt make sense to shoot the guy?

Add to that the fact that people arent taking this shit anymore, and cops are being held accountable more often. The cops shouldve factored all this in as they were sober. Pity.

Now we await to see the outcome.

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HornedLion posted...

But instead... they chose to shoot, in the back, an individual which they themselves deemed under the influence. See how no matter how you try to justify it, it just doesnt make sense to shoot the guy?

A person in an unstable state of mind from drink who's willing to rob and attack the police to escape arrest on a seemingly minor charge, suggesting they have a greater charge to avoid, is running in to the general public. The person presents themself as a danger to the public and so they've got a basis to shoot.

I can't see the video but it's not that hard to grab at technicalities.
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"this black man is afraid of the police so we better shoot him in the back as he runs away" is a hard technicality to grab at, i'd think

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

A person in an unstable state of mind from drink who's willing to rob and attack the police to escape arrest on a seemingly minor charge, suggesting they have a greater charge to avoid, is running in to the general public. The person presents themself as a danger to the public and so they've got a basis to shoot.

I can't see the video but it's not that hard to grab at technicalities.

https://i.imgur.com/Rx7jxPl.gif
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agesboy posted...

"this black man is afraid of the police so we better shoot him in the back as he runs away" is a hard technicality to grab at, i'd think

You have nothing to be afraid of if you've done nothing (legally)
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

You have nothing to be afraid of if you've done nothing (legally)

unless youre sleeping in your own bed after your shift as a health care working

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

You have nothing to be afraid of if you've done nothing (legally)

this has been proven false so many times in the past month alone

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How come cops are only ever fired for being assholes but never for murder?
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Revelation34 posted...

How come cops are only ever fired for being assholes but never for murder?

how many people in general do you think get fired for murder?

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Revelation34 posted...

How come cops are only ever fired for being assholes but never for murder?

One might assume that their secret duty is population control.

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Mead posted...

how many people in general do you think get fired for murder?

Probably everybody if they were still employed after being convicted of murdering somebody.
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Revelation34 posted...

Probably everybody if they were still employed after being convicted of murdering somebody.

so you think the cops should stay on the job until theres a conviction?

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Mead posted...

so you think the cops should stay on the job until theres a conviction?

They get suspended. Which isn't the same as being fired. All Salvatore Rivieri did was be an asshole to some teens yet they never get rid of murdering cops.
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Revelation34 posted...

They get suspended. Which isn't the same as being fired. All Salvatore Rivieri did was be an asshole to some teens yet they never get rid of murdering cops.

thats what he gets for painting all those melted clocks

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Remember this case?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-officer-who-fatally-shot-sobbing-man-temporarily-rehired-apply-n1028981

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agesboy posted...

this has been proven false so many times in the past month alone

I said legally for a reason. The officers who did the wrongdoings weren't there so these particular officers are supposed to be treated as normal officers acting within the law until they act. Police officers have to be assumed acting properly or the legal system turns to shit.
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Running away and tazing was one of my main strategies in Bioshock.

Gaawa_chan posted...

Remember this case?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-officer-who-fatally-shot-sobbing-man-temporarily-rehired-apply-n1028981

Already mentioned. Both him and the leader should have been arrested.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

I said legally for a reason. The officers who did the wrongdoings weren't there so these particular officers are supposed to be treated as normal officers acting within the law until they act. Police officers have to be assumed acting properly or the legal system turns to shit.

Only because the legal system is shit.
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Revelation34 posted...

Only because the legal system is shit.

Yes, but that shit legal system is how legal and illegal is defined, which is all that matters for not getting imprisoned.
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