Current Events > Is the concept of Police outdated?

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They may have once helped during the 1900's but given what they become, I can safely say we don't need them anymore. We can abolish the concept of police now since they're outdated. Thoughts?

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Is the concept of crime outdated

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Strong male privilege

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only if the concept of criminals becomes outdated first

RKO_OrtonBoi posted...

I can safely say we don't need them anymore.

Ok.

There are aspects to policing besides patrol officers. Sections and divisions that take years to get to and experience/training. There are sections of police departments you probably didnt even know existed that work in tandem with the FBI and participate in countrywide counter terrorism as well. That being said, there are many things patrol officers do that the public needs.

just because the local southern department of 5 officers fucked up the Memphis 3 doesnt mean other departments aspects are as stupid

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Solving murders is outdated
Catching rapists is outdated

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No, still to much crime

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The Trent posted...

Solving murders is outdated
Catching rapists is outdated

Actually, the police dont solve anything and dont care. My tv was stolen while I was out on vacation, no suspects, no camera, no idea when it happened, but fuck them lazy pricks!

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The Trent posted...

Solving murders is outdated
Catching rapists is outdated

This is why the people in power think we're stupid, and too stupid to ever think for ourselves. In two simple sarcastic sentences, someone makes a logical post like this, despite the majority right now thinking so narrowly in scope off of an emotional reaction with zero regard to the overall consequences.

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darkprince45 posted...

Ok.

There are aspects to policing besides patrol officers. Sections and divisions that take years to get to and experience/training. There are sections of police departments you probably didnt even know existed that work in tandem with the FBI and participate in countrywide counter terrorism as well. That being said, there are many things patrol officers do that the public needs.

just because the local southern department of 5 officers fucked up the Memphis 3 doesnt mean other departments aspects are as stupid

We can find ways to solve crimes without violent pigs guiding us. Police tried to show they are useful in modern day society and instead they bring social progress a few steps backwards. We'll find a way without them.

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Welcome to what a majority of Twitter thinks, people. This is Twitter thinking at its finest.

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RKO_OrtonBoi posted...

We can find ways to solve crimes without violent pigs guiding us. Police tried to show they are useful in modern day society and instead they bring social progress a few steps backwards. We'll find a way without them.

Hell yeah all to catch a predator is now judge jury and executioner leggo chris hansen

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RKO_OrtonBoi posted...

We can find ways to solve crimes without violent pigs guiding us. Police tried to show they are useful in modern day society and instead they bring social progress a few steps backwards. We'll find a way without them.

Again, there other aspects of policing besides violent pigs.

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Who is going to look for missing persons?

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Monolith1676 posted...

Who is going to look for missing persons?

Community efforts! We will train household pets to look for corpses and organize Thursday night investigations!

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The question posed may not be quite the right one.

The role of police has changed. They became heavily militarized decades ago.

The militarization of police was not always there and needs to be done away with.

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The Trent posted...

Community efforts! We will train household pets to look for corpses and organize Thursday night investigations!

But who will bring the helicopter?

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RKO_OrtonBoi posted...

We can find ways to solve crimes without violent pigs guiding us. Police tried to show they are useful in modern day society and instead they bring social progress a few steps backwards. We'll find a way without them.

hell yeah, we'll just empower a select group of people to solve the crimes and protect the populace. that sounds new and unique right?

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The jails are full so id say no

depends on what you mean as the concept

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serious reform needed with respect to law enforcement but policing/security will always be necessary in some form or another

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Monolith1676 posted...

But who will bring the helicopter?

We will seize the millionaire classes assets and use their choppers for good

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The Trent posted...

Solving murders is outdated
Catching rapists is outdated

They are not good at either of those .

40% of murderers get away.

https://nypost.com/2018/09/25/a-shocking-number-of-us-murders-went-unsolved-last-year/

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cjsdowg posted...

They are not good at either of those .

40% of murderers get away.

https://nypost.com/2018/09/25/a-shocking-number-of-us-murders-went-unsolved-last-year/

Let's give up on the 60% they catch then

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The Trent posted...

We will seize the millionaire classes assets and use their choppers for good

Excellent idea.

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Monolith1676 posted...

Excellent idea.

This board has taught me how to solve every problem in society dont worry I got this

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TheMikh posted...

serious reform needed with respect to law enforcement but policing/security will always be necessary in some form or another

This.

It's obvious that police reform is needed. Even defunding alone will cause more problems than it will solve.

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The Trent posted...

This board has taught me how to solve every problem in society dont worry I got this

The Trent for President 2020!

*Side note* I always think of the Resident Evil books when I see your user name.

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RKO_OrtonBoi posted...

, I can safely say we don't need them anymore.

I can safely say I dont want to be killed by a drunk driver.

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Do people who hold this opinion think there is any peacekeeping system free from racism and corruption?

nemu posted...

Do people who hold this opinion think?

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We should definitely be striving for something so radically different from police that they can no longer be called police. In any case, we don't need an outside occupying force to control our communities for the sake of politicians and the rich, which is what the police are.

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BeyondWalls posted...

I can safely say I dont want to be killed by a drunk driver.

How would a cop stop you from being killed by a drunk driver

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Wii_Shaker posted...

This.

It's obvious that police reform is needed. Even defunding alone will cause more problems than it will solve.

i dont think defunding would cause a lot of problems

Im sure cutting 10-20% of most police departments budget would just be the hyper military stuff


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SmidgeIsntBack posted...

How would a cop stop you from being killed by a drunk driver

By arresting drunk drivers before they kill someone. I suggest you look up the statistics of it.

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gamepimp12 posted...

i dont think defunding would cause a lot of problems

Im sure cutting 10-20% of most police departments budget would just be the hyper military stuff

a lot of that military stuff is free or dirt cheap, the government gives that shit away. you cut cops budget 10-20% and you'll see their wages drop 10-20%.

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The Trent posted...

Catching rapists is outdated

Let me know when police start doing this in any significant numbers

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Dreamscissors posted...

Let me know when police start doing this in any significant numbers

Dreamscissors posted...

Let me know when police start doing this in any significant numbers

do you have the numbers to show its not significant? And stopping one in itself should be more than enough


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I think what would solve most issues is if police would stop arresting people on drug-related charges. In the past few years, we've seen police plant drugs on people during unlawful stops just so that they can ticket, arrest, and collect bail money.

The entire war on drugs has created a cyclical nature for police; patrol low income areas where they have little to no choice but participate in illegal activity and arrest them. People who get a felony charge are denied most jobs in the US that could really support them/a family, and so they're forced to turn to illegal activity...such as peddling drugs.

Police should be retrained to only seize drugs from people, rather than arrest them, and we should create places where disadvantaged people can get real assistance for job training, housing, and food sources with actual funding.

There's this weird concept in our country that if "handouts" exist then people will simply never leave the nest and become dependent on it. It's a stupid concept that, people who have already been through some of society's bullshit tend to hold based entirely on jealousy that younger people will have better opportunities.

We don't need, nor should we want, those who come after us to face the same hurdles we do, but instead do our best to ensure future generations have a better place to grow.

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Perascamin posted...

I think what would solve most issues is if police would stop arresting people on drug-related charges. In the past few years, we've seen police plant drugs on people during unlawful stops just so that they can ticket, arrest, and collect bail money.

The entire war on drugs has created a cyclical nature for police; patrol low income areas where they have little to no choice but participate in illegal activity and arrest them. People who get a felony charge are denied most jobs in the US that could really support them/a family, and so they're forced to turn to illegal activity...such as peddling drugs.

Police should be retrained to only seize drugs from people, rather than arrest them, and we should create places where disadvantaged people can get real assistance for job training, housing, and food sources with actual funding.

There's this weird concept in our country that if "handouts" exist then people will simply never leave the nest and become dependent on it. It's a stupid concept that, people who have already been through some of society's bullshit tend to hold based entirely on jealousy that younger people will have better opportunities.

We don't need, nor should we want, those who come after us to face the same hurdles we do, but instead do our best to ensure future generations have a better place to grow.

while i agree, that's an issue that has to be handled by the state and federal legislature.

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The Trent posted...

Is the concept of crime outdated

This /topic.

pfh1001 posted...

This /topic.

Seeing how the police are video this week doing a lot of crime and messing with people who were not doing anything wrong. I don't see how that could be topic.

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No but their mission and methods have been perverted by thugs, power, corruption and a frightening "us against them mentality".

darkprince45 posted...

do you have the numbers to show its not significant? And stopping one in itself should be more than enough

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/sexual-assault-rape-sympathy-no-prison.html

Sexual assault is massively underreported, and even when victims come forward, convictions are rare. According to RAINN, only 5 out of every 1,000 rapes committedthats 0.5 percentends in a felony conviction. The Washington Post puts the figure at 7 out of 1,000, but pretty much everyone agrees its under 1 percent. We usually try to make sense of this painfully low number by noting that many rapes arent reported, which is true, but the crime is also notoriously under-investigated.

And when it is investigated, its pretty tough to provenot because of the crimes high proof threshold, but because of how little evidence about it we bother to collect. There is, for example, a national backlog of hundreds of thousands of untested rape kits. And behind that big number are stories that dont get told: Rather than heal or wash or even change after being attacked, these women went straight to the hospital, where they had to undress, subject themselves to intrusive physical exams, and get interrogated. And then nothing happened. No one did anything with the evidence they offered at great personal cost. (Actually, thats not true: According to a CNN investigation, 25 law enforcement agencies in 14 states were found to be destroying rape kits in cases that could still be prosecuted. This was a routine process, they said, done to make space in evidence rooms.)

But its not just rape kits; this lack of investigative vigor seems to permeate every aspect of the system. The Minneapolis Star Tribunes review of more than a thousand cases in Minnesota found that:

In almost a quarter of the cases, records show, police never assigned an investigator.

In about one-third of them, the investigator never interviewed the victim.

In half the cases, police failed to interview potential witnesses.

Most of the casesabout 75 percent, including violent rapes by strangerswere never forwarded to prosecutors for criminal charges.

Overall, fewer than one in 10 reported sexual assaults produced a conviction, records show.

Even the rape statistics we actually have are likely much too low, becausegiven a major incentive to lower caseloads and no reporting standardlaw enforcement has a history of improperly clearing sexual assaults. For decades, police departments abused the unfounded classification reserved for false or baseless rape claims (a practice that helped to undergird the myth of prevalent false-rape claims). A scandal in late-1990s Philadelphia provoked real reform there, but a recent investigation by ProPublica, Newsy, and Reveal found that many police departments still have unusually high rates of cases they designate unfounded. As an oft-cited 2010 meta-analysis put it, [M]isclassification of cases by law enforcement agencies is routine. Cases in which the victim is unable or unwilling to cooperate, in which evidence is lacking, in which the victim makes inconsistent statements, or in which the victim was heavily intoxicated frequently get classified as unfounded or no-crimed. Law enforcement also has a history of destroying the evidence with investigations designated incomplete not because they had no merit but because officers failed to follow through. CNNs review of one police department in Springfield, Missouri, found that in dozens of cases detectives did not attempt to contact witnesses and known suspects, didnt have rape kits tested or stopped working cases within days or weeks of being assigned to investigate.

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Yeah we shouldn't even bother with the ones they do catch abolish useless police

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An arrest is separate from a conviction. Sounds like courts are failing.

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The police in the sense of what we have now? Yeah actually. I think we could still have some sort of community policing, but we do not need these militarized police.

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pfh1001 posted...

This /topic.

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No? They just need to be better

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RKO_OrtonBoi posted...

We can find ways to solve crimes without violent pigs guiding us. Police tried to show they are useful in modern day society and instead they bring social progress a few steps backwards. We'll find a way without them.

Are you are aware they tried this in some places during the Wild West years of the late 1800's and it went horribly, HORRIBLY wrong? There is a reason why actual police forces were set up on all local regions years later.

cjsdowg posted...

They are not good at either of those .

40% of murderers get away.

https://nypost.com/2018/09/25/a-shocking-number-of-us-murders-went-unsolved-last-year/

So 100% of murderers getting away would be even better?!?!?

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