Current Events > NYT writer demands whites cut off contact w/ relatives unless they join protests

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CyricZ posted...
CyricZ posted...

By all means, please share if you have anything to help me with my perspective. I welcome it.

It can only help me to know more and understand more. And while I will likely never fully "get it", I'm trying to do right as best I can. I give, I share, I promote whenever I can, but I can always do more.

And if you want to say "never say anything about NYC, we look after ourselves and don't need you", then say it.

But, to that level, would that give you the perspective to say things about Minneapolis? Philly? Boston?

It's just something you'll never understand unless you've spent years around the same people. Which is my entire point. I can't really explain it to you. It's just not something a white person from rural America would understand. I mean, I'm open to it. Go ahead, ask anything you're wondering about.

Also, the hood is the hood. Yes. I've also been to most of the major hoods all around the country and things don't change much with people in the hood. It's a culture. Much like how you can jump into any suburb in the US and see the same stuff.

It is however STARKLY different from suburban life and it's just something people from outside can't really understand. I know stuff like that really hurts white people, but it's the truth.

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CyricZ posted...

Comments like this make me question your good faith, though.

I mean, the guy has been trolling. You know how he acts. When he can't answer, he starts trolling. I'm sure you saw the other topic, and I asked him several times to further elaborate, which you were able to do, and I very much appreciate.

So yeah, if he resorts to that, I don't mind throwing out his occupation.

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s0nicfan posted...

It would be one thing if the prevailing line was "(tens of) thousands of people will likely contract and die from covid as a consequence of these protests, but we feel the cause is worth the cost" because then people can at least debate the relative risk vs reward. It could also lead to discussions about how minorities tend to disproportionately live with elderly family, and that given the existing through-line of "covid disproportionately kills minorities" people could discuss the challenges in examining data post-protests to filter out the "noise" that these new transmissions will add to these prior conclusions.

Coming out and going "we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission" just sounds like you're unwilling to actually be honest about the situation, which turns people like Annihilated off because they feel like they're being lied directly to their faces and being told it's the truth. The fact that, in that very same paragraph, they explicitly remind people that only a month ago they were calling the "open up" protests dangerous and reckless just adds to the feeling of being handed a double standard.

Yeah this pretty much sums it up. If they had said something like "although the large crowds of protests presents a high risk of widespread transmission, we believe the cause is a greater benefit, and we encourage all of those attending the protests to get tested" then at least I would have understood can give them credit for honesty. I wouldn't agree with the hugely, hugely lopsided tradeoff in the number of lives, but at least it's a kind of stance. But the fact they did a complete 180 on the very thing they've been telling us for months, and the very thing they blamed Trump for back when we DIDN'T know how big this would get is just very insulting.

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Why do you even post? You contribute nothing to any discussion except mocking and insults. Just leave.

InfinityMonster posted...

Never expected much from the grocery worker.

Whoa, I agree he is a chronic and incorrigible shitposter, but that's irrelevant and uncalled for.

InfinityMonster posted...

I mean, I'm open to it. Go ahead, ask anything you're wondering about.

What's the general mood like right now where you are?

What do/did you have to say to folks like jeffhardyb0yz who was out there? I recall you first gave me your... commentary in his topic but I'm trying to remember if you had anything for him in specific.

Do you think there's any point to bucking for change in city police?

InfinityMonster posted...

I know stuff like that really hurts white people, but it's the truth.

So do I not step in when I see bad faith action on these boards? I mean, it's not always easy from the way people post to figure out whether they're coming from experience or just BS'ing.

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shockthemonkey posted...

What about the fact that he wants to speak on behalf of the entire black population of NYC? That doesnt make it obvious to you that hes just talking shit?

Nowhere did I say that. Don't lie. I'm speaking as a minority that was born and raised in the Bronx and suffered the hood life.

However, your ass seems to be speaking on behalf of all black people it seems. "They have to do xyz". GTFOH.

Why hasn't any black person called me out yet? Most of have been agreeing with me. And I've 100% acknowledged many won't agree with me and are open to a discussion on it. It's only white dudes getting super salty because they're being called out as sheltered.

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CyricZ posted...

What's the general mood like right now where you are?

What do/did you have to say to folks like jeffhardyb0yz who was out there? I recall you first gave me your... commentary in his topic but I'm trying to remember if you had anything for him in specific.

Do you think there's any point to bucking for change in city police?

It's very antsy right now. The younger people are very amped and they're out there protesting, but the 30+ crowd has been trying to get them indoors because a lot live all bunched up together. My cousin is out there every day, but I keep telling him to stop because his parents aren't really in the best shape. We've all been harassed by the NYPD, especially me after 9/11 because I was often mistaken for an Arab, and I used to eat dinner with a bunch of black Muslims with Kufis. It was horrible.

So yeah, I want reform, but 100% not at the cost of thousands of deaths when I know several people that already died. No seriously, we've lost 400k and these protests are breaking out all around the world.

For Jeff, I was definitely rooting him on. At first, I did want to go out and was even going to probably link up with him. I did extra research and saw things are really not calming and then decided that it's not worth it. Fighting police brutality against the community, only to hurt the community through greater death is not worth it.

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I have several times. You haven't responded with a single rebuttal. Not even a "I feel this is why this is wrong"

Just straight up repeating the same shit. "So the answer is no"

Grow up.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Your counter was that wont work because I said it wont work. Thats not a refutation of anything. Thats a handwave. But this is why I stopped with you in the first place. You think you can wave your hand, say Im in NYC, and then be right.

Lay out the plan then. Please. How do you want this to work?

Go ahead. Please provide sources.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Defund police significantly

Disagree with this. If we want better police officers we're going to need to require better trained, higher qualified individuals. We won't get those for less money.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Defund police significantly
Demilitarize police entirely
Increase use of social workers to resolve social problems
Eliminate immunity
Require police to intervene if they see an officer committing a crime
Increase funding towards work programs and social services
Hold officers more accountable than civilians
Release nonviolent offenders who partook in victimless crimes

Alright good. You're starting to act like an adult, but I'll still keep it as simple as possible.

A lot of this has been vowed by Minneapolis, but the people still want the complete defunding of the police and shamed the mayor to leave because he didn't give in.

How do you calm that segment? What else do they have to give into? Do you support the full defunding like they do? If yes, have you ever lived in an area with high crime?

Edit: Btw, do you have any sources to show these are definitely effective or is it just what you feel is correct?

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Remove their batons

Remove live ammunition and replace it with non-lethal means; rubber bullets apparently are unsafe as a non-lethal means due to long lasting damage it can cause, so we need a alternative.

As a counter police can be allowed more body armor in exchange to protect themselves from lethal force since we're taking away their lethal weapons.

Tasers and pepper spray can still be the standard use.

Police should be trained in different methods that doesn't cause bodily harm when melee is required.

If there is a mass shooter causing mayhem and death; police can be allowed access to lethal force weapons and that would be the only time.

That would be my idea of a Reform to keep their power in check.

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shockthemonkey posted...

People dont want vows. They want action. Actually do these things. Sign it into law. Remove the people who resisted these changes from the government. If your argument is nothing will placate protesters then I want to see actual action first before making that judgment.

When I lived in a high crime area (Crack Street USA), the cops showed up well after they were called and started trouble more often than they helped it. But enough people were armed that you didnt fuck with strangers.

You didn't answer my any of my questions.

Especially this one which I just edited.

"Btw, do you have any sources to show these are definitely effective or is it just what you feel is correct?"

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shockthemonkey posted...

These came from a myriad of BLM sources. None were my original ideas.

That's not really a source. I would like to see scientific studies. BLM is not a scientific body.

Also, when I said vowed, I didn't mean they're just saying it's gonna happen. I meant a lot are happening. Yet, the protesters there made it clear that they want full defunding. How do we handle that in respect to the Coronavirus?

We've had basically 100K deaths a month at this point.. How many will suffer between his death and full reform? Are those deaths ok to a white person when most will be black and Hispanic people?

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shockthemonkey posted...

Ok then go find the scientific studies. Right now all youre saying is that nothing will stop protesters but youre not offering anything up.

What? What scientific studies? I'm asking you if the demands have any merits.

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Lmao at this topic and the typical CEman replies

This is why it's better to just discuss shit like this amongst ourselves. White folks get hella defensive when you actually demand they step up to the plate in the fight against racism

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shockthemonkey posted...

Youre going to have to offer an alternative way of ending protests if you want me to think youre talking in good faith here. All youve said is that nothing will work while insulting me.

I asked you for a solution to Minneapolis, which is the epicenter. The mayor is down for all that. However the community said fuck you and it wants full defunding.

Answer the fucking question. How do you end protests over that? What's the logical solution and have to you talked to those people on if they'd agree?

And yes, demands need to be backed by some sort of evidence that they work. Otherwise you can just throw in "free weed for everybody".


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What the fuck are you even talking about. Answer the fucking questions I'm asking instead of trolling.

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shockthemonkey posted...

This is not a hard thing to understand dude. What is your suggestion for ending the protests?

Yeah, it's not hard. You're the one making the claim that as soon as demands are met, things will stop, when demands have already superceded your list.

There's two ways these protests end if demands like defunding the police are not met. People get violent and the government shuts them down or they keep going and realize loved ones are starting to die, so they they stop. But by that time, it's too late.

The latter is gonna happen way sooner than later.

Who gets fucked in the end? Definitely not white dudes living in the forest.


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shockthemonkey posted...

So you have literally nothing to say other than insulting me for my race, location (that you made up), and occupation. Got it.

This is such a dumb way to say you're the one that can't answer any questions and rebute a single thing. I made several points. Someone not trolling would be like "I feel you're wrong because xyz". Nope. Not here.

I mean, you can correct where you're from. What flyover rural town in Massachusetts are you from?

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Jesus. Stop responding to Shock.

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shockthemonkey posted...

So what do you suggest to stop the protests and the spread of covid that comes with them?

Answer my questions first bro.

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shockthemonkey posted...

No. Youre bitching like crazy about everything I say without offering any alternative. If all you have is shit talking then who the fuck cares what you think?

I already told you the alternative. There's two way it ends and the other way to quell things is to stress how dangerous it is.

You won't answer the question because you simply can't. I asked you way before. And I'm not bitching. Unless you think a minority calling out a white guy is bitching.

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Kaiganeer posted...

sounds like a bitch

Siaperaz posted...

New York Times is fucking trash.

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shockthemonkey posted...

So you dont have a better solution at all and youre just gonna keep bitching, who fucking cares what you have to say then?

My dude. Are you sniffing paint? What the fuck is your solution for the specific protests I asked for?

Do you think anybody is reading this and thinking you don't look like a mess right now?

Again, why does someone living in the forest get to promote people dying over this? What credentials do you have to speak on this?

You're just a white dude that gets all his news from Twitter. As someone who is personally affected by this, please, sit your privileged ass down and shut the fuck up unless you're ready to act like an adult an rebute my points like an adult.

In the past 2 weeks, I've had tons of discussions with people like you and have most of them understanding where I'm coming from. It's only you that goes into troll mode the second his grocery store ass can't answer a simple question lmao.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Me: what if we do what the protestors want so they stop protesting
You: that wont work
Me: then what should we do?
You: youre white and live in a forest and work in a grocery store
Me: then what should we do?
You: youre a troll
Me: then what should we do?
You: youre white and work in a grocery store
Me: then what should we do?
You: youre white and live in a forest
Me: then what should we do?
You: you get all your news from Twitter
Me: then what should we do?

This is where were at.

I've asked you several times for what the solution is to the point I brought up and you've ignored it. I've also pointed out the different end points and solutions. Most end with tens, if not hundreds of thousands of minorities dying.

Can you stop acting like a fucking child and just respond like everybody else does? I've been speaking with tons of people like you on here the past two weeks, and I've come to agreements on every single one and opened up dialogue EXPECT your stubborn ass that can't even answer simple questions like "what's the solution iyo"

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im sure ce is being ce in this topic.

i didnt think refusing to be friends with people who are anti BLM was an unreasonable take.

if youre against racism and continue to have friends/family that arent against racism, are you really against racism

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gamepimp12 posted...

im sure ce is being ce in this topic.

i didnt think refusing to be friends with people who are anti BLM was an unreasonable take.

if youre against racism and continue to have friends/family that arent against racism, are you really against racism

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gamepimp12 posted...

im sure ce is being ce in this topic.

i didnt think refusing to be friends with people who are anti BLM was an unreasonable take.

if youre against racism and continue to have friends/family that arent against racism, are you really against racism

The topic basically turned into a bunch white guys trying to school black people.

As usual, the white man always wants full control. Left or right. Doesn't matter.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Your entire argument was no that wont work what now?

Just tell em to stop protesting oh yeah good thatll work

Did you start by insulting those people for their race, location, and occupation? What solution did you come up with?

Again, you have not answered anything. I didn't say stop telling them to stop protesting. If they continue to, let them know how dangerous it is. You have not in any way justified the disproportionate deaths we're facing in any fucking way because you simply can't. Coronavirus isn't hitting rural America as hard.

I said xyz didn't work in Minneapolis. I asked your solution. You have refused to answer this. They said no. What the fuck is your solution? Stop dodging, seriously.

Like, dude. You're in your mid 30s. Why are you making this difficult? Have a serious discussion or don't.

I've already explained how your race and location matter. A person significantly unaffected by the coronavirus has no right to tell others who are at way more risk.

I just don't understand how salty white people have been getting during this. Thank you for being an ally, but otherwise, shut the fuck up. I can't breath for real. Get the fuck off our necks.

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gamepimp12 posted...

im sure ce is being ce in this topic.

i didnt think refusing to be friends with people who are anti BLM was an unreasonable take.

if youre against racism and continue to have friends/family that arent against racism, are you really against racism

It isn't refusing to be friends with people who are anti-BLM, its if they're not pro-BLM to the point of donating time and/or money and going out there and actively protesting.

Its a toxic attitude and is bound to drive many would be supporters, at least in name only, away from the cause and might even serve to drive some to the other side.

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wackyteen posted...

It isn't refusing to be friends with people who are anti-BLM, its if they're not pro-BLM to the point of donating time and/or money and going out there and actively protesting.

Its a toxic attitude and is bound to drive many would be supporters, at least in name only, away from the cause and might even serve to drive some to the other side.

This is litterally cult like behaviour(isolating friends and families) and thankfully most people who support blm condemn that kind of predatory tactic. That said. Do anyone knows where can I donate? I won't do it because of dumb threats though, I will do it on free will and suggest other friends to donate and share a Facebook post or something.

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wackyteen posted...

It isn't refusing to be friends with people who are anti-BLM, its if they're not pro-BLM to the point of donating time and/or money and going out there and actively protesting.

Its a toxic attitude and is bound to drive many would be supporters, at least in name only, away from the cause and might even serve to drive some to the other side.

if youre unwilling to use your time or money to support are you really pro BLM ?

legit question ?

Like someone who refuses to donate any money, refuses to invest anytime and refuses to use there voice in any fashion can they do that and truely be Pro BLM ?

and anyone who can be turned against BLM (as an idea not an Organization) was never actually for BLM

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gamepimp12 posted...

if youre unwilling to use your time or money to support are you really pro BLM ?

legit question ?

Like someone who refuses to donate any money, refuses to invest anytime and refuses to use there voice in any fashion can they do that and truely be Pro BLM ?

and anyone who can be turned against BLM (as an idea not an Organization) was never actually for BLM

Well then the question becomes does it matter. When internet randoms are laying out guidelines, and saying people who dont follow those guidelines aren't really for the cause, the shit all becomes meaningless.

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Imagine being so stupid you would try to manipulate your friends and family into giving up their money to support your cause.

Kind of sounds like a cult tbqh

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