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wackyteen 06/07/20 9:21:24 PM #151:	gamepimp12 posted... if youre unwilling to use your time or money to support are you really pro BLM ? legit question ? Like someone who refuses to donate any money, refuses to invest anytime and refuses to use there voice in any fashion can they do that and truely be Pro BLM ? and anyone who can be turned against BLM (as an idea not an Organizahtion) was never actually for BLM The idea is that they might be on the fence or not have enough information to have an opinion. If you go into the conversation basically strong arming them, then you run the risk of them just agreeing to get you to shut up or giving a token donation then swearing off the organization because "i already donated". You think that only those who donate to white supremacist groups and actively support racist candidates are the only true racists? You have millions of casual racists that don't openly support or condone the racist politicians but they'll vote for them. If BLM wants to succeed they need people who may not ever donate a dollar but are willing to vote for politicians put forth by BLM. Otherwise whats the point? we live in a democratic society where you change the system via voting. BLM can't eviscerate itself eternally by falling into the trap of No True Scotsman. I don't expect and demand every American to vote in order to prove they're an American. Same as you shouldn't expect every person who says BLM to donate and protest for the cause. --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:940333584] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote>if youre unwilling to use your time or money to support are you really pro BLM ? legit question ? Like someone who refuses to donate any money, refuses to invest anytime and refuses to use there voice in any fashion can they do that and truely be Pro BLM ? and anyone who can be turned against BLM (as an idea not an Organizahtion) was never actually for BLM</quote>The idea is that they might be on the fence or not have enough information to have an opinion. If you go into the conversation basically strong arming them, then you run the risk of them just agreeing to get you to shut up or giving a token donation then swearing off the organization because "i already donated". You think that only those who donate to white supremacist groups and actively support racist candidates are the only true racists? You have millions of casual racists that don't openly support or condone the racist politicians but they'll vote for them. If BLM wants to succeed they need people who may not ever donate a dollar but are willing to vote for politicians put forth by BLM. Otherwise whats the point? we live in a democratic society where you change the system via voting. BLM can't eviscerate itself eternally by falling into the trap of No True Scotsman. I don't expect and demand every American to vote in order to prove they're an American. Same as you shouldn't expect every person who says BLM to donate and protest for the cause. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 06/07/20 11:06:53 PM #152:	wackyteen posted... The idea is that they might be on the fence or not have enough information to have an opinion. If you go into the conversation basically strong arming them, then you run the risk of them just agreeing to get you to shut up or giving a token donation then swearing off the organization because "i already donated". You think that only those who donate to white supremacist groups and actively support racist candidates are the only true racists? You have millions of casual racists that don't openly support or condone the racist politicians but they'll vote for them. If BLM wants to succeed they need people who may not ever donate a dollar but are willing to vote for politicians put forth by BLM. Otherwise whats the point? we live in a democratic society where you change the system via voting. BLM can't eviscerate itself eternally by falling into the trap of No True Scotsman. I don't expect and demand every American to vote in order to prove they're an American. Same as you shouldn't expect every person who says BLM to donate and protest for the cause. if theyre voting theyre using their voice. so again I ask you can you really considers someone who refuses to use their voice, time or money an ally. Cause I dont know how you can be on the fence with something like racism dude --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:940337378] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>wackyteen posted... </cite> <quote>The idea is that they might be on the fence or not have enough information to have an opinion. If you go into the conversation basically strong arming them, then you run the risk of them just agreeing to get you to shut up or giving a token donation then swearing off the organization because "i already donated". You think that only those who donate to white supremacist groups and actively support racist candidates are the only true racists? You have millions of casual racists that don't openly support or condone the racist politicians but they'll vote for them. If BLM wants to succeed they need people who may not ever donate a dollar but are willing to vote for politicians put forth by BLM. Otherwise whats the point? we live in a democratic society where you change the system via voting. BLM can't eviscerate itself eternally by falling into the trap of No True Scotsman. I don't expect and demand every American to vote in order to prove they're an American. Same as you shouldn't expect every person who says BLM to donate and protest for the cause.</quote> if theyre voting theyre using their voice. so again I ask you can you really considers someone who refuses to use their voice, time or money an ally. Cause I dont know how you can be on the fence with something like racism dude </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 06/07/20 11:26:36 PM #153:	gamepimp12 posted... so again I ask you can you really considers someone who refuses to use their voice, time or money an ally. Yes. You can be united silently by a commonly held belief. gamepimp12 posted... Cause I dont know how you can be on the fence with something like racism dude For some its a matter of they can't be openly outspoken about it because of their current situation in life. I come from a place where just 10 minutes up the road, just a mere 50-60 years ago, they had signs warning non-whites to not be out after dark because there would be literal lynch mobs that would roam around. That racism is still ingrained at a surface level into the people who have lived there their entire lives. I can't personally speak to knowing someone who would join a lynch mob but the point still stands. My own grandparents are racist, more inwardly than outwardly but still. and that is true for nearly everybody I knew growing up because I come from a place where every third person I come across is like a 3rd or 4th cousin. Also, family is of utmost importance. For my entire childhood and until recently we would hold yearly family reunions. Not quite so much anymore due to my grandparents advancing age and family moving further and further away and the advent of things like Facebook making it easier to keep in contact. So imagine you're in that scenario. You agree that Black Lives Matter. You can get on board with the base sentiment but can't outwardly say it due to social pressure. You're demanding people give up the things that are most important to them for a cause they can agree with but may not necessarily want to openly support due to social pressure or they're just not at that point in accepting what is, in contrast to their upbringing or the surroundings they grew up in, a radical idea. They may have one non-white friend and they send them a "i sympathize with your plight even though I didn't go through the hardships you have" Now imagine their only non-white friend is like "man fuck you that ain't enough, either get out there and protest and donate or never contact me again" A reasonable person will rightfully be pissed at that message. So at best that friend has spurned them away from the BLM movement and at worse their spurning them away drives them into the arms of actual racists. And if they posted about their exchange on Facebook I can almost promise you they'll find sympathy from the wrong kinds of people. You must be careful about how you approach inviting people into what can be considered a radical idea. I'm not saying I think the BLM is a radical idea, but if you go parading in the downtown of the place i mentioned with the message of BLM, you might get attacked. --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:940338046] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote> so again I ask you can you really considers someone who refuses to use their voice, time or money an ally.</quote>Yes. You can be united silently by a commonly held belief. gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote> Cause I dont know how you can be on the fence with something like racism dude</quote>For some its a matter of they can't be openly outspoken about it because of their current situation in life. I come from a place where just 10 minutes up the road, just a mere 50-60 years ago, they had signs warning non-whites to not be out after dark because there would be literal lynch mobs that would roam around. That racism is still ingrained at a surface level into the people who have lived there their entire lives. I can't personally speak to knowing someone who would join a lynch mob but the point still stands. My own grandparents are racist, more inwardly than outwardly but still. and that is true for nearly everybody I knew growing up because I come from a place where every third person I come across is like a 3rd or 4th cousin. Also, family is of utmost importance. For my entire childhood and until recently we would hold yearly family reunions. Not quite so much anymore due to my grandparents advancing age and family moving further and further away and the advent of things like Facebook making it easier to keep in contact. So imagine you're in that scenario. You agree that Black Lives Matter. You can get on board with the base sentiment but can't outwardly say it due to social pressure. You're demanding people give up the things that are most important to them for a cause they can agree with but may not necessarily want to openly support due to social pressure or they're just not at that point in accepting what is, in contrast to their upbringing or the surroundings they grew up in, a radical idea. They may have one non-white friend and they send them a "i sympathize with your plight even though I didn't go through the hardships you have" Now imagine their only non-white friend is like "man fuck you that ain't enough, either get out there and protest and donate or never contact me again" A reasonable person will rightfully be pissed at that message. So at best that friend has spurned them away from the BLM movement and at worse their spurning them away drives them into the arms of actual racists. And if they posted about their exchange on Facebook I can almost promise you they'll find sympathy from the wrong kinds of people. You must be careful about how you approach inviting people into what can be considered a radical idea. I'm not saying I think the BLM is a radical idea, but if you go parading in the downtown of the place i mentioned with the message of BLM, you might get attacked. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 06/08/20 12:02:55 AM #154:	wackyteen posted... Yes. You can be united silently by a commonly held belief. For some its a matter of they can't be openly outspoken about it because of their current situation in life. I come from a place where just 10 minutes up the road, just a mere 50-60 years ago, they had signs warning non-whites to not be out after dark because there would be literal lynch mobs that would roam around. That racism is still ingrained at a surface level into the people who have lived there their entire lives. I can't personally speak to knowing someone who would join a lynch mob but the point still stands. My own grandparents are racist, more inwardly than outwardly but still. and that is true for nearly everybody I knew growing up because I come from a place where every third person I come across is like a 3rd or 4th cousin. Also, family is of utmost importance. For my entire childhood and until recently we would hold yearly family reunions. Not quite so much anymore due to my grandparents advancing age and family moving further and further away and the advent of things like Facebook making it easier to keep in contact. So imagine you're in that scenario. You agree that Black Lives Matter. You can get on board with the base sentiment but can't outwardly say it due to social pressure. You're demanding people give up the things that are most important to them for a cause they can agree with but may not necessarily want to openly support due to social pressure or they're just not at that point in accepting what is, in contrast to their upbringing or the surroundings they grew up in, a radical idea. They may have one non-white friend and they send them a "i sympathize with your plight even though I didn't go through the hardships you have" Now imagine their only non-white friend is like "man fuck you that ain't enough, either get out there and protest and donate or never contact me again" A reasonable person will rightfully be pissed at that message. So at best that friend has spurned them away from the BLM movement and at worse their spurning them away drives them into the arms of actual racists. And if they posted about their exchange on Facebook I can almost promise you they'll find sympathy from the wrong kinds of people. You must be careful about how you approach inviting people into what can be considered a radical idea. I'm not saying I think the BLM is a radical idea, but if you go parading in the downtown of the place i mentioned with the message of BLM, you might get attacked. Thats a really long post for you to split hairs to feel better about yourself. you would rather coddle racist, than stand up for your own beliefs, so no I dont consider you an ally, youre more like the white moderate Martin Luther King spoke about. --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:940339203] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>wackyteen posted... </cite> <quote>Yes. You can be united silently by a commonly held belief. For some its a matter of they can't be openly outspoken about it because of their current situation in life. I come from a place where just 10 minutes up the road, just a mere 50-60 years ago, they had signs warning non-whites to not be out after dark because there would be literal lynch mobs that would roam around. That racism is still ingrained at a surface level into the people who have lived there their entire lives. I can't personally speak to knowing someone who would join a lynch mob but the point still stands. My own grandparents are racist, more inwardly than outwardly but still. and that is true for nearly everybody I knew growing up because I come from a place where every third person I come across is like a 3rd or 4th cousin. Also, family is of utmost importance. For my entire childhood and until recently we would hold yearly family reunions. Not quite so much anymore due to my grandparents advancing age and family moving further and further away and the advent of things like Facebook making it easier to keep in contact. So imagine you're in that scenario. You agree that Black Lives Matter. You can get on board with the base sentiment but can't outwardly say it due to social pressure. You're demanding people give up the things that are most important to them for a cause they can agree with but may not necessarily want to openly support due to social pressure or they're just not at that point in accepting what is, in contrast to their upbringing or the surroundings they grew up in, a radical idea. They may have one non-white friend and they send them a "i sympathize with your plight even though I didn't go through the hardships you have" Now imagine their only non-white friend is like "man fuck you that ain't enough, either get out there and protest and donate or never contact me again" A reasonable person will rightfully be pissed at that message. So at best that friend has spurned them away from the BLM movement and at worse their spurning them away drives them into the arms of actual racists. And if they posted about their exchange on Facebook I can almost promise you they'll find sympathy from the wrong kinds of people. You must be careful about how you approach inviting people into what can be considered a radical idea. I'm not saying I think the BLM is a radical idea, but if you go parading in the downtown of the place i mentioned with the message of BLM, you might get attacked.</quote> Thats a really long post for you to split hairs to feel better about yourself. you would rather coddle racist, than stand up for your own beliefs, so no I dont consider you an ally, youre more like the white moderate Martin Luther King spoke about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shnangyboos 06/08/20 12:17:26 AM #155:	gamepimp12 posted... Thats a really long post for you to split hairs to feel better about yourself. you would rather coddle racist, than stand up for your own beliefs, so no I dont consider you an ally, youre more like the white moderate Martin Luther King spoke about. Which is what all the shit basically boils down to. Just say if you aren't with me, you're against me, and here's a list of things that I'll use to determine if you're with me. --- How's my posting? Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns. <cite>shnangyboos posted [p:940339641] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote>Thats a really long post for you to split hairs to feel better about yourself. you would rather coddle racist, than stand up for your own beliefs, so no I dont consider you an ally, youre more like the white moderate Martin Luther King spoke about.</quote> Which is what all the shit basically boils down to. Just say if you aren't with me, you're against me, and here's a list of things that I'll use to determine if you're with me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Artemis86 06/08/20 7:28:25 AM #156:	gamepimp12 posted... Thats a really long post for you to split hairs to feel better about yourself. you would rather coddle racist, than stand up for your own beliefs, so no I dont consider you an ally, youre more like the white moderate Martin Luther King spoke about. Ah, yes, the George W. Bush mentality. Always good for creating division and hatred in a group. Some BLM "ally" almost committed attempted murder at the rally in my town this weekend. Being on camera is all that got them to put the knife away. So no, I dont think I'll be going anywhere near any rallies. <cite>Artemis86 posted [p:940347819] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote>Thats a really long post for you to split hairs to feel better about yourself. you would rather coddle racist, than stand up for your own beliefs, so no I dont consider you an ally, youre more like the white moderate Martin Luther King spoke about.</quote> Ah, yes, the George W. Bush mentality. Always good for creating division and hatred in a group. Some BLM "ally" almost committed attempted murder at the rally in my town this weekend. Being on camera is all that got them to put the knife away. So no, I dont think I'll be going anywhere near any rallies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BathroomWater 06/08/20 7:31:57 AM #157:	GodIsImaginary posted... Every few days I receive a bunch of texts like this one, from last week: Hi friend. I just wanted to reach out and let you know I love you and so deeply appreciate you in my life and your stories in the world. And Im so sorry. This country is deeply broken and sick and racist. Im sorry. I think Im tired; meanwhile Im sleeping in my Snuggie of white privilege. I love you and Im here to fight and be useful in any way I can be. Heart emojis Is this an Onion article lmao --- "I have a basic understanding of economics." -Broseph_Stalin <cite>BathroomWater posted [p:940347876] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>GodIsImaginary posted... </cite> <quote>Every few days I receive a bunch of texts like this one, from last week: Hi friend. I just wanted to reach out and let you know I love you and so deeply appreciate you in my life and your stories in the world. And Im so sorry. This country is deeply broken and sick and racist. Im sorry. I think Im tired; meanwhile Im sleeping in my Snuggie of white privilege. I love you and Im here to fight and be useful in any way I can be. Heart emojis</quote> Is this an Onion article lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 06/08/20 8:11:59 AM #158:	gamepimp12 posted... you would rather coddle racist, than stand up for your own beliefs, so no I dont consider you an ally, youre more like the white moderate Martin Luther King spoke about. Its not with the intent to coddle actual racists, its acknowledging that if you want to win over people from traditionally racist areas then you can't take this hardline approach of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD0fUz4rmQg Don't be surprised if in your haste to label people as allies and enemies that you wind up labeling the wrong people enemies. And further, don't be surprised when those new labeled enemies turn against you even when they might have traditionally been okay with you existing. I'm talking more about taking a slow metered approach than storming in like a bull in a china shop and then wondering why everything is broken or nobody in the area you were trying to win support in wants anything to do with you. These areas have had stoked racial tensions for centuries or have been effectively (brainwashed) into thinking that they should fear people that don't look or act like them. Yet you want to storm in and say "You must support this movement outright and if you don't then you can fuck off"? What kind of reaction do you think you're going to get out of them? They'll just run you off out of town and you'll go back home and be like "They just don't understand" or "They're all horrible racists and deserve to be forgotten" while conveniently ignoring the social conditions that led them to the situation they're in. I'm not saying to bootlick actual (violent/extreme) racists to get them to like you or to somehow convince them they're wrong. All I'm saying is make sure you don't spurn the people in the middle that just happened to grow up in a situation they had no say in. --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:940348589] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote> you would rather coddle racist, than stand up for your own beliefs, so no I dont consider you an ally, youre more like the white moderate Martin Luther King spoke about.</quote>Its not with the intent to coddle actual racists, its acknowledging that if you want to win over people from traditionally racist areas then you can't take this hardline approach of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD0fUz4rmQg Don't be surprised if in your haste to label people as allies and enemies that you wind up labeling the wrong people enemies. And further, don't be surprised when those new labeled enemies turn against you even when they might have traditionally been okay with you existing. I'm talking more about taking a slow metered approach than storming in like a bull in a china shop and then wondering why everything is broken or nobody in the area you were trying to win support in wants anything to do with you. These areas have had stoked racial tensions for centuries or have been effectively (brainwashed) into thinking that they should fear people that don't look or act like them. Yet you want to storm in and say "You must support this movement outright and if you don't then you can fuck off"? What kind of reaction do you think you're going to get out of them? They'll just run you off out of town and you'll go back home and be like "They just don't understand" or "They're all horrible racists and deserve to be forgotten" while conveniently ignoring the social conditions that led them to the situation they're in. I'm not saying to bootlick actual (violent/extreme) racists to get them to like you or to somehow convince them they're wrong. All I'm saying is make sure you don't spurn the people in the middle that just happened to grow up in a situation they had no say in. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 06/08/20 8:39:48 AM #159:	Also be careful how you throw the racist label around because people who may not consider themselves racist may be "Well if refusal to support is racist then guess I'm a racist" Doesn't mean they'll go join the KKK but you've successfully created more work for yourself to do. When people like that Karen in Central Park expose themselves then yes, call them out for acting racist or being a racist. However when you don't have any demonstrable proof of someone being racist and your entire reasoning for them being racist is "You won't openly protest for and support the BLM movement" then you shouldn't be throwing the label around when real dangerous racists exist and will go and happily recruit your newly created "racists". Also, you're always going to have silent supporters if you don't spurn them away. They may not be worth much but they're better as silent supporters than silent or vocal enemies. Because if something tragic were to happen to the BLM movement, you want them to think "that's fucked up" and it motivate them into more vocal support than having them be silent enemies who think "I don't care/well maybe they deserved it" --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:940349125] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>Also be careful how you throw the racist label around because people who may not consider themselves racist may be "Well if refusal to support is racist then guess I'm a racist" Doesn't mean they'll go join the KKK but you've successfully created more work for yourself to do. When people like that Karen in Central Park expose themselves then yes, call them out for acting racist or being a racist. However when you don't have any demonstrable proof of someone being racist and your entire reasoning for them being racist is "You won't openly protest for and support the BLM movement" then you shouldn't be throwing the label around when real dangerous racists exist and will go and happily recruit your newly created "racists". Also, you're always going to have silent supporters if you don't spurn them away. They may not be worth much but they're better as silent supporters than silent or vocal enemies. Because if something tragic were to happen to the BLM movement, you want them to think "that's fucked up" and it motivate them into more vocal support than having them be silent enemies who think "I don't care/well maybe they deserved it" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 06/08/20 9:13:27 AM #160:	Artemis86 posted... Ah, yes, the George W. Bush mentality. Always good for creating division and hatred in a group. Some BLM "ally" almost committed attempted murder at the rally in my town this weekend. Being on camera is all that got them to put the knife away. So no, I dont think I'll be going anywhere near any rallies. and its still multiples ways to support without going to an rally, so your hesitation to support is questionable wackyteen posted... Also be careful how you throw the racist label around because people who may not consider themselves racist may be "Well if refusal to support is racist then guess I'm a racist" Doesn't mean they'll go join the KKK but you've successfully created more work for yourself to do. When people like that Karen in Central Park expose themselves then yes, call them out for acting racist or being a racist. However when you don't have any demonstrable proof of someone being racist and your entire reasoning for them being racist is "You won't openly protest for and support the BLM movement" then you shouldn't be throwing the label around when real dangerous racists exist and will go and happily recruit your newly created "racists". Also, you're always going to have silent supporters if you don't spurn them away. They may not be worth much but they're better as silent supporters than silent or vocal enemies. Because if something tragic were to happen to the BLM movement, you want them to think "that's fucked up" and it motivate them into more vocal support than having them be silent enemies who think "I don't care/well maybe they deserved it" anyone who would go from being against racism to for racism, was Probably never really against racism in The first place. Expecting people to cater their message to a crowd that has no intentions of being ANY actual help is ridiculous and you only feel that way because YOURE part of that group. these people are part of the problem just as much so the actual racist, an extremely weak ally isnt better than no allied at all. --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:940350037] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>Artemis86 posted... </cite> <quote>Ah, yes, the George W. Bush mentality. Always good for creating division and hatred in a group. Some BLM "ally" almost committed attempted murder at the rally in my town this weekend. Being on camera is all that got them to put the knife away. So no, I dont think I'll be going anywhere near any rallies.</quote> and its still multiples ways to support without going to an rally, so your hesitation to support is questionable wackyteen posted... </cite> <quote>Also be careful how you throw the racist label around because people who may not consider themselves racist may be "Well if refusal to support is racist then guess I'm a racist" Doesn't mean they'll go join the KKK but you've successfully created more work for yourself to do. When people like that Karen in Central Park expose themselves then yes, call them out for acting racist or being a racist. However when you don't have any demonstrable proof of someone being racist and your entire reasoning for them being racist is "You won't openly protest for and support the BLM movement" then you shouldn't be throwing the label around when real dangerous racists exist and will go and happily recruit your newly created "racists". Also, you're always going to have silent supporters if you don't spurn them away. They may not be worth much but they're better as silent supporters than silent or vocal enemies. Because if something tragic were to happen to the BLM movement, you want them to think "that's fucked up" and it motivate them into more vocal support than having them be silent enemies who think "I don't care/well maybe they deserved it"</quote> anyone who would go from being against racism to for racism, was Probably never really against racism in The first place. Expecting people to cater their message to a crowd that has no intentions of being ANY actual help is ridiculous and you only feel that way because YOURE part of that group. these people are part of the problem just as much so the actual racist, an extremely weak ally isnt better than no allied at all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 06/08/20 9:34:56 AM #161:	gamepimp12 posted... anyone who would go from being against racism to for racism, was Probably never really against racism in The first place. Expecting people to cater their message to a crowd that has no intentions of being ANY actual help is ridiculous and you only feel that way because YOURE part of that group. these people are part of the problem just as much so the actual racist, Most people don't actually care. They just want to keep the peace. And they'll take the path back to the peace they knew over a path to peace they haven't experienced yet. If you disrupt the peace too fast and too much in people's eyes they'll blame you and wish ill upon you just to get things to go back to normal. You can effect change but it has to be slow and metered, as with most all things. Like i said the idea is to not be a bull in a china shop and turn said "crowd with no intentions of being any actual help" into "crowd with intentions to not care what happens if something bad happens" or "crowd that cheers when something bad happens" Which is why you should slowly turn them to your side instead of being "FUCK YOU FOR NOT CUTTING ALL TIES TO YOUR FAMILY AND SUPPORTING THIS CAUSE". gamepimp12 posted... an extremely weak ally isnt better than no allied at all. An extremely weak ally is better than no ally at all in a battle of numbers and ideology. --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:940350646] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote>anyone who would go from being against racism to for racism, was Probably never really against racism in The first place. Expecting people to cater their message to a crowd that has no intentions of being ANY actual help is ridiculous and you only feel that way because YOURE part of that group. these people are part of the problem just as much so the actual racist,</quote>Most people don't actually care. They just want to keep the peace. And they'll take the path back to the peace they knew over a path to peace they haven't experienced yet. If you disrupt the peace too fast and too much in people's eyes they'll blame you and wish ill upon you just to get things to go back to normal. You can effect change but it has to be slow and metered, as with most all things. Like i said the idea is to not be a bull in a china shop and turn said "crowd with no intentions of being any actual help" into "crowd with intentions to not care what happens if something bad happens" or "crowd that cheers when something bad happens" Which is why you should slowly turn them to your side instead of being "FUCK YOU FOR NOT CUTTING ALL TIES TO YOUR FAMILY AND SUPPORTING THIS CAUSE". gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote>an extremely weak ally isnt better than no allied at all.</quote>An extremely weak ally is better than no ally at all in a battle of numbers and ideology. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Artemis86 06/08/20 9:47:06 AM #162:	gamepimp12 posted... and its still multiples ways to support without going to an rally, so your hesitation to support is questionable Your eagerness to automatically put my loyalty in doubt tells me you'd gladly stand by the switchblade-wielding crackhead above simply because he's on your side. Sounds like you're creating your own problem by shitting on anyone not zealous enough. What a joke. And let me guess, you sit on your ass and shitpost on gfaqs and do fuck all else while being judgmental and therefore you're "doing your part"? I wasn't going to donate monetarily, I'm not rich, and I dont view posting a black square as meaningful. But until that shit I was planning on going out and speaking out against police brutality, becaise frankly I have spoken strongly on the subject longer than any of these fairweather divas spraking out now have. I spoke long before I was told I needed to. Now I won't be, and you have your supporters to thank for that. <cite>Artemis86 posted [p:940351022] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote>and its still multiples ways to support without going to an rally, so your hesitation to support is questionable</quote> Your eagerness to automatically put my loyalty in doubt tells me you'd gladly stand by the switchblade-wielding crackhead above simply because he's on your side. Sounds like you're creating your own problem by shitting on anyone not zealous enough. What a joke. And let me guess, you sit on your ass and shitpost on gfaqs and do fuck all else while being judgmental and therefore you're "doing your part"? I wasn't going to donate monetarily, I'm not rich, and I dont view posting a black square as meaningful. But until that shit I was planning on going out and speaking out against police brutality, becaise frankly I have spoken strongly on the subject longer than any of these fairweather divas spraking out now have. I spoke long before I was told I needed to. Now I won't be, and you have your supporters to thank for that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 06/08/20 9:50:42 AM #163:	Artemis86 posted... Your eagerness to automatically put my loyalty in doubt tells me you'd gladly stand by the switchblade-wielding crackhead above simply because he's on your side. Sounds like you're creating your own problem by shitting on anyone not zealous enough. What a joke. And let me guess, you sit on your ass and shitpost on gfaqs and do fuck all else while being judgmental and therefore you're "doing your part"? ive donated and will continue to donate to multiple causes I will also be voting this November. So Ive also not been to protest, but Im not the one saying the scary (and wrong) stuff at protest is keeping me from offering my support in any other fashion. edit: Again this all sounds like a cop out to me --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:940351138] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>Artemis86 posted... </cite> <quote>Your eagerness to automatically put my loyalty in doubt tells me you'd gladly stand by the switchblade-wielding crackhead above simply because he's on your side. Sounds like you're creating your own problem by shitting on anyone not zealous enough. What a joke. And let me guess, you sit on your ass and shitpost on gfaqs and do fuck all else while being judgmental and therefore you're "doing your part"?</quote> ive donated and will continue to donate to multiple causes I will also be voting this November. So Ive also not been to protest, but Im not the one saying the scary (and wrong) stuff at protest is keeping me from offering my support in any other fashion. edit: Again this all sounds like a cop out to me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 06/08/20 9:56:56 AM #164:	Artemis86 posted... I wasn't going to donate monetarily, I'm not rich, and I dont view posting a black square as meaningful. But until that s*** I was planning on going out and speaking out against police brutality, becaise frankly I have spoken strongly on the subject longer than any of these fairweather divas spraking out now have. I spoke long before I was told I needed to. Now I won't be, and you have your supporters to thank for that. I'd still encourage you to speak out against police brutality because they've clearly demonstrated they don't care about race or creed at the moment. They out there committing legitimate war crimes. Don't let the over-zealous drown out your voice. --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:940351357] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>Artemis86 posted... </cite> <quote> I wasn't going to donate monetarily, I'm not rich, and I dont view posting a black square as meaningful. But until that s** I was planning on going out and speaking out against police brutality, becaise frankly I have spoken strongly on the subject longer than any of these fairweather divas spraking out now have. I spoke long before I was told I needed to. Now I won't be, and you have your supporters to thank for that.</quote>I'd still encourage you to speak out against police brutality because they've clearly demonstrated they don't care about race or creed at the moment. They out there committing legitimate war crimes. Don't let the over-zealous drown out your voice. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 06/08/20 10:04:25 AM #165:	gamepimp12 posted... edit: Again this all sounds like a cop out to me His edit is what you run the risk of doing though. Even if he's just being facetious or playing it up for the topic, its what you run the risk of doing to real people. And he's someone who was (actively) on your side or would have spoken out in support. But your over zealousness has turned him against your cause. Now imagine what your over zealousness will do to those who have never had a meaningful interaction with a PoC? Who has only seen them on the TV or online? Your over zealousness will quickly spurn them away. They may have never had racist intentions in their life but you demanding "BE MY ALLY OR ELSE YOU ARE MY ENEMY" will quickly turn them into your enemy because their first meaningful interaction was negative. You have a hard fought, LONG battle ahead of you. This shit isn't going to change over night. It isn't going to change in November. It won't have fully changed til the both us are so long dead that we're both forgotten about, but you can make it a shorter battle by not turning potential allies into enemies. By acknowledging that you have to take a slow and metered approach to win over the maximum amount of support. --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:940351590] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote> edit: Again this all sounds like a cop out to me</quote>His edit is what you run the risk of doing though. Even if he's just being facetious or playing it up for the topic, its what you run the risk of doing to real people. And he's someone who was (actively) on your side or would have spoken out in support. But your over zealousness has turned him against your cause. Now imagine what your over zealousness will do to those who have never had a meaningful interaction with a PoC? Who has only seen them on the TV or online? Your over zealousness will quickly spurn them away. They may have never had racist intentions in their life but you demanding "BE MY ALLY OR ELSE YOU ARE MY ENEMY" will quickly turn them into your enemy because their first meaningful interaction was negative. You have a hard fought, LONG battle ahead of you. This shit isn't going to change over night. It isn't going to change in November. It won't have fully changed til the both us are so long dead that we're both forgotten about, but you can make it a shorter battle by not turning potential allies into enemies. By acknowledging that you have to take a slow and metered approach to win over the maximum amount of support. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kolibri X 06/08/20 10:07:10 AM #166:	I would cut them off for protesting and spreading the coronavirus. These people are dumb and endangering lives. --- Platinum GameFAQs Member <cite>Kolibri X posted [p:940351676] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>I would cut them off for protesting and spreading the coronavirus. These people are dumb and endangering lives. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PCgamingIS_Best 06/08/20 10:13:20 AM #167:	These riots are vile, nothing but destruction and thievery, there is no justification nor a cause. Also so much for flattening the Corona curve. <cite>PCgamingIS_Best posted [p:940351856] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>These riots are vile, nothing but destruction and thievery, there is no justification nor a cause. Also so much for flattening the Corona curve. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 06/08/20 10:13:23 AM #168:	wackyteen posted... His edit is what you run the risk of doing though. Even if he's just being facetious or playing it up for the topic, its what you run the risk of doing to real people. And he's someone who was (actively) on your side or would have spoken out in support. But your over zealousness has turned him against your cause. Now imagine what your over zealousness will do to those who have never had a meaningful interaction with a PoC? Who has only seen them on the TV or online? Your over zealousness will quickly spurn them away. They may have never had racist intentions in their life but you demanding "BE MY ALLY OR ELSE YOU ARE MY ENEMY" will quickly turn them into your enemy because their first meaningful interaction was negative. You have a hard fought, LONG battle ahead of you. This shit isn't going to change over night. It isn't going to change in November. It won't have fully changed til the both us are so long dead that we're both forgotten about, but you can make it a shorter battle by not turning potential allies into enemies. By acknowledging that you have to take a slow and metered approach to win over the maximum amount of support. WHO CARES ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE the idea black people should accommodate the people who are only kinda against racism when it inconveniences them is ridiculous, these people arent really allies, they do nothing, support nothing and only look for excuses not to support. If these people where people of value Martin Luther King would of ended racism. why should black people water down their own message to appease who are only in it for the ego check or photo op. --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:940351858] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>wackyteen posted... </cite> <quote>His edit is what you run the risk of doing though. Even if he's just being facetious or playing it up for the topic, its what you run the risk of doing to real people. And he's someone who was (actively) on your side or would have spoken out in support. But your over zealousness has turned him against your cause. Now imagine what your over zealousness will do to those who have never had a meaningful interaction with a PoC? Who has only seen them on the TV or online? Your over zealousness will quickly spurn them away. They may have never had racist intentions in their life but you demanding "BE MY ALLY OR ELSE YOU ARE MY ENEMY" will quickly turn them into your enemy because their first meaningful interaction was negative. You have a hard fought, LONG battle ahead of you. This shit isn't going to change over night. It isn't going to change in November. It won't have fully changed til the both us are so long dead that we're both forgotten about, but you can make it a shorter battle by not turning potential allies into enemies. By acknowledging that you have to take a slow and metered approach to win over the maximum amount of support.</quote> WHO CARES ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE the idea black people should accommodate the people who are only kinda against racism when it inconveniences them is ridiculous, these people arent really allies, they do nothing, support nothing and only look for excuses not to support. If these people where people of value Martin Luther King would of ended racism. why should black people water down their own message to appease who are only in it for the ego check or photo op. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BathroomWater 06/08/20 10:21:45 AM #169:	PCgamingIS_Best posted... These riots are vile, nothing but destruction and thievery, there is no justification nor a cause. Also so much for flattening the Corona curve. Yeah for real we need to do something about the police, who are starting all of the violence and take more private property from citizens per year than petty theft does. --- "I have a basic understanding of economics." -Broseph_Stalin <cite>BathroomWater posted [p:940352139] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>PCgamingIS_Best posted... </cite> <quote>These riots are vile, nothing but destruction and thievery, there is no justification nor a cause. Also so much for flattening the Corona curve.</quote> Yeah for real we need to do something about the police, who are starting all of the violence and take more private property from citizens per year than petty theft does. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 06/08/20 10:22:00 AM #170:	Black people and their true allies sacrifice time, money, job opportunities/advancement, imprisonment and death in the pursuit of racial equality If you can't sacrifice any of your time/money/voice/privilege etc. nor are you willing to risk uncomfortable moments with those close to you who dont support the movement, you're not an ally and shouldn't label yourself as such. --- nothing is a greater tell of an awful human than using "social justice warrior" as a pejorative. without exception.- Bomani Jones <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:940352144] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>Black people and their true allies sacrifice time, money, job opportunities/advancement, imprisonment and death in the pursuit of racial equality If you can't sacrifice any of your time/money/voice/privilege etc. nor are you willing to risk uncomfortable moments with those close to you who dont support the movement, you're not an ally and shouldn't label yourself as such. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 06/08/20 10:30:16 AM #171:	gamepimp12 posted... WHO CARES ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE the idea black people should accommodate the people who are only kinda against racism when it inconveniences them is ridiculous, these people arent really allies, they do nothing, support nothing and only look for excuses not to support. If these people where people of value Martin Luther King would of ended racism. why should black people water down their own message to appease who are only in it for the ego check or photo op. YOU SHOULD BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKING AMERICANS. YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH THEM AT THE END OF THE FUCKING DAY. THAT'S WHY. Otherwise its an endless never ending ideological conflict and you'll fight it with the bare minimum support you can get instead of having the most support you can get because you don't want to take the steps necessary to actually institute change. You want to change something that has been going on for millienia (because racism didn't magically start with the advent of America) but you don't want to take the slow and hard steps to do so. You want it done overnight. Instantly. If not you throw a fit because people aren't willing to potentially throw their peaceful lives into turmoil for something that ultimately won't benefit them(which surprise surprise is how most HUMANS think). You attack these people and expect them to join your side. You say you don't care about them. Then why the fuck should those people ever care about you or your plight? --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:940352398] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote>WHO CARES ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE the idea black people should accommodate the people who are only kinda against racism when it inconveniences them is ridiculous, these people arent really allies, they do nothing, support nothing and only look for excuses not to support. If these people where people of value Martin Luther King would of ended racism. why should black people water down their own message to appease who are only in it for the ego check or photo op.</quote>YOU SHOULD BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKING AMERICANS. YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH THEM AT THE END OF THE FUCKING DAY. THAT'S WHY. Otherwise its an endless never ending ideological conflict and you'll fight it with the bare minimum support you can get instead of having the most support you can get because you don't want to take the steps necessary to actually institute change. You want to change something that has been going on for millienia (because racism didn't magically start with the advent of America) but you don't want to take the slow and hard steps to do so. You want it done overnight. Instantly. If not you throw a fit because people aren't willing to potentially throw their peaceful lives into turmoil for something that ultimately won't benefit them(which surprise surprise is how most HUMANS think). You attack these people and expect them to join your side. You say you don't care about them. Then why the fuck should those people ever care about you or your plight? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 06/08/20 10:40:03 AM #172:	wackyteen posted... YOU SHOULD BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKING AMERICANS. YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH THEM AT THE END OF THE FUCKING DAY. By that same logic shouldnt you expect more from them ? If were all Americans how can you feel comfortable just watching racism happen ? You attack these people and expect them to join your side. You say you don't care about them. Then why the fuck should those people ever care about you or your plight? They dont, we already know they dont were not gonna pretend that they do, so they should stop pretending as well. Again you feel so passionate about this because it applies to you rather let people in your life be outwardly racist than actively challenge them and their beliefs, but at the same time feel like you should be considered an ally for a blind eye to racist thats literally right in your face. --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:940352709] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>wackyteen posted... </cite> <quote>YOU SHOULD BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKING AMERICANS. YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH THEM AT THE END OF THE FUCKING DAY.</quote> By that same logic shouldnt you expect more from them ? If were all Americans how can you feel comfortable just watching racism happen ? <quote> You attack these people and expect them to join your side. You say you don't care about them. Then why the fuck should those people ever care about you or your plight?</quote> They dont, we already know they dont were not gonna pretend that they do, so they should stop pretending as well. Again you feel so passionate about this because it applies to you rather let people in your life be outwardly racist than actively challenge them and their beliefs, but at the same time feel like you should be considered an ally for a blind eye to racist thats literally right in your face. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 06/08/20 10:41:01 AM #173:	Im not even gonna acknowledge the you want racism fixed instantly comment because you know that sounds ridiculous. --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:940352743] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>Im not even gonna acknowledge the you want racism fixed instantly comment because you know that sounds ridiculous. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 06/08/20 10:44:38 AM #174:	gamepimp12 posted... By that same logic shouldnt you expect more from them ? If were all Americans how can you feel comfortable just watching racism happen ? I do expect more from them but I know that attacking them isn't going to get them to change their beliefs. And some never will, and they're free to do so and suffer the consequences of that belief. gamepimp12 posted... They dont, we already know they dont were not gonna pretend that they do, so they should stop pretending as well. Again you feel so passionate about this because it applies to you rather let people in your life be outwardly racist than actively challenge them and their beliefs, but at the same time feel like you should be considered an ally for a blind eye to racist thats literally right in your face. So you want them all to come out and be outwardly racist? for what? so you can cancel them on Twitter? I don't expect you to consider me an ally. I just don't want you to count me among your enemies. --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:940352867] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote> By that same logic shouldnt you expect more from them ? If were all Americans how can you feel comfortable just watching racism happen ?</quote>I do expect more from them but I know that attacking them isn't going to get them to change their beliefs. And some never will, and they're free to do so and suffer the consequences of that belief. gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote> They dont, we already know they dont were not gonna pretend that they do, so they should stop pretending as well. Again you feel so passionate about this because it applies to you rather let people in your life be outwardly racist than actively challenge them and their beliefs, but at the same time feel like you should be considered an ally for a blind eye to racist thats literally right in your face.</quote> So you want them all to come out and be outwardly racist? for what? so you can cancel them on Twitter? I don't expect you to consider me an ally. I just don't want you to count me among your enemies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 06/08/20 10:47:28 AM #175:	wackyteen posted... I do expect more from them but I know that attacking them isn't going to get them to change their beliefs. And some never will, and they're free to do so and suffer the consequences of that belief. So you want them all to come out and be outwardly racist? for what? so you can cancel them on Twitter? I don't expect you to consider me an ally. I just don't want you to count me among your enemies. its easier to handle someone who shows themselves as youre enemy than it is to handle someone who mask themselves as your ally. --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:940352978] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>wackyteen posted... </cite> <quote>I do expect more from them but I know that attacking them isn't going to get them to change their beliefs. And some never will, and they're free to do so and suffer the consequences of that belief. So you want them all to come out and be outwardly racist? for what? so you can cancel them on Twitter? I don't expect you to consider me an ally. I just don't want you to count me among your enemies.</quote> its easier to handle someone who shows themselves as youre enemy than it is to handle someone who mask themselves as your ally. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 06/08/20 10:49:37 AM #176:	gamepimp12 posted... its easier to handle someone who shows themselves as youre enemy than it is to handle someone who mask themselves as your ally. And attacking and shaming your (would-be) allies is a great way to get many of these masked allies, as well as known enemies. Which is why you have to put in the hard work instead of adopting the "if you're not with me then you're my enemy" approach --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:940353061] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote>its easier to handle someone who shows themselves as youre enemy than it is to handle someone who mask themselves as your ally.</quote>And attacking and shaming your (would-be) allies is a great way to get many of these masked allies, as well as known enemies. Which is why you have to put in the hard work instead of adopting the "if you're not with me then you're my enemy" approach </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/08/20 10:52:14 AM #177:	If all it took was an uncomfortable confrontation for someone to go off the deep end into full-blown racism, then calling them "would-be allies" seems a bit disingenuous. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:940353143] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>If all it took was an uncomfortable confrontation for someone to go off the deep end into full-blown racism, then calling them "would-be allies" seems a bit disingenuous. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiegoSanchez206 06/08/20 10:54:40 AM #178:	Vivec posted... A) this is stupid but not extreme left b) so this is as bad as white supremacist murder to you? You are not allowed to be friends with people if they dont give their money away or join protests. Requirements to be political in a certain way. thats far left. --- https://tinyurl.com/y838ue3p https://youtu.be/IRqr8X6w6bo <cite>DiegoSanchez206 posted [p:940353235] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>Vivec posted... </cite> <quote>A) this is stupid but not extreme left b) so this is as bad as white supremacist murder to you?</quote>You are not allowed to be friends with people if they dont give their money away or join protests. Requirements to be political in a certain way. thats far left. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 06/08/20 10:55:38 AM #179:	CyricZ posted... If all it took was an uncomfortable confrontation for someone to go off the deep end into full-blown racism, then calling them "would-be allies" seems a bit disingenuous. I agree, but you have to remember many people only seek to keep the peace. They might go to the other side to keep peace with people they already trust, know and love (or at least get love from). If you go at them with fire and brimstone all they're seeing coming from you is hate and ill will, and it shouldn't come as a surprise when they're not overly receptive of your message. If you approach them reasonably and with a non-accusatory tone, you're likely to recruit far many more allies than if you go at them accusing them of being racist because they won't outwardly support BLM. --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:940353266] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>If all it took was an uncomfortable confrontation for someone to go off the deep end into full-blown racism, then calling them "would-be allies" seems a bit disingenuous.</quote>I agree, but you have to remember many people only seek to keep the peace. They might go to the other side to keep peace with people they already trust, know and love (or at least get love from). If you go at them with fire and brimstone all they're seeing coming from you is hate and ill will, and it shouldn't come as a surprise when they're not overly receptive of your message. If you approach them reasonably and with a non-accusatory tone, you're likely to recruit far many more allies than if you go at them accusing them of being racist because they won't outwardly support BLM. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiegoSanchez206 06/08/20 11:00:55 AM #180:	BeantownHero posted... Black people and their true allies sacrifice time, money, job opportunities/advancement, imprisonment and death in the pursuit of racial equality If you can't sacrifice any of your time/money/voice/privilege etc. nor are you willing to risk uncomfortable moments with those close to you who dont support the movement, you're not an ally and shouldn't label yourself as such. youre not willing to die for them, you cant be an ally. Im not dying for anyone except my immediate family. Thats a pretty big reach. Also wont be going to prison. Guess Im no ones ally. Ill somehow sleep okay. --- https://tinyurl.com/y838ue3p https://youtu.be/IRqr8X6w6bo <cite>DiegoSanchez206 posted [p:940353442] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>BeantownHero posted... </cite> <quote>Black people and their true allies sacrifice time, money, job opportunities/advancement, imprisonment and death in the pursuit of racial equality If you can't sacrifice any of your time/money/voice/privilege etc. nor are you willing to risk uncomfortable moments with those close to you who dont support the movement, you're not an ally and shouldn't label yourself as such.</quote> youre not willing to die for them, you cant be an ally. Im not dying for anyone except my immediate family. Thats a pretty big reach. Also wont be going to prison. Guess Im no ones ally. Ill somehow sleep okay. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 06/08/20 11:25:39 AM #181:	wackyteen posted... I agree, but you have to remember many people only seek to keep the peace. They might go to the other side to keep peace with people they already trust, know and love (or at least get love from). If you go at them with fire and brimstone all they're seeing coming from you is hate and ill will, and it shouldn't come as a surprise when they're not overly receptive of your message. If you approach them reasonably and with a non-accusatory tone, you're likely to recruit far many more allies than if you go at them accusing them of being racist because they won't outwardly support BLM. people who only seek to keep the peace arent allies, they arent even neutral in this they prefer the status quo. You keep proving our point but you dont want to agree because it applies to you. --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:940354268] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>wackyteen posted... </cite> <quote>I agree, but you have to remember many people only seek to keep the peace. They might go to the other side to keep peace with people they already trust, know and love (or at least get love from). If you go at them with fire and brimstone all they're seeing coming from you is hate and ill will, and it shouldn't come as a surprise when they're not overly receptive of your message. If you approach them reasonably and with a non-accusatory tone, you're likely to recruit far many more allies than if you go at them accusing them of being racist because they won't outwardly support BLM.</quote> people who only seek to keep the peace arent allies, they arent even neutral in this they prefer the status quo. You keep proving our point but you dont want to agree because it applies to you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sylverlolol 06/08/20 11:29:43 AM #182:	I'm already an introvert so I barely talk to my family as is. I don't agree with what some are saying about blue lives, yadda yadda, throwing around the all lives matter BS too, but I'm not going to create drama by making some large, public display about cutting them off. I know I'm never going to change their mind so I'll just keep doing what I always do and ignore them. --- This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. <cite>sylverlolol posted [p:940354397] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>I'm already an introvert so I barely talk to my family as is. I don't agree with what some are saying about blue lives, yadda yadda, throwing around the all lives matter BS too, but I'm not going to create drama by making some large, public display about cutting them off. I know I'm never going to change their mind so I'll just keep doing what I always do and ignore them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 06/08/20 11:35:52 AM #183:	DiegoSanchez206 posted... youre not willing to die for them, you cant be an ally. Im not dying for anyone except my immediate family. Thats a pretty big reach. Also wont be going to prison. Guess Im no ones ally. Ill somehow sleep okay. Where did I say that? --- nothing is a greater tell of an awful human than using "social justice warrior" as a pejorative. without exception.- Bomani Jones <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:940354611] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>DiegoSanchez206 posted... </cite> <quote>youre not willing to die for them, you cant be an ally. Im not dying for anyone except my immediate family. Thats a pretty big reach. Also wont be going to prison. Guess Im no ones ally. Ill somehow sleep okay.</quote> Where did I say that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 06/08/20 11:37:59 AM #184:	BeantownHero posted... Where did I say that? You didnt. everyone in the topics just is being like Black People asked me to help them in some tangible fashion !?!?!? How dare they I guess Ill go be racist now --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:940354677] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>BeantownHero posted... </cite> <quote>Where did I say that?</quote>You didnt. everyone in the topics just is being like Black People asked me to help them in some tangible fashion !?!?!? How dare they I guess Ill go be racist now </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 06/08/20 12:24:28 PM #185:	gamepimp12 posted... people who only seek to keep the peace arent allies, they arent even neutral in this they prefer the status quo. You keep proving our point but you dont want to agree because it applies to you. I'm trying to get you to understand that you can help change their status quo if you don't go attacking them. If you can peacefully change their status quo you'll win them over. You won't win them over by demanding they stand up and donate or protest or whatever. Or treat them as "not allies" at best and enemies at worst because they won't. You're creating so much more work for yourself by taking these hard line stances of "if you're not with me then you're my enemy/not my ally". --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:940356421] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote>people who only seek to keep the peace arent allies, they arent even neutral in this they prefer the status quo. You keep proving our point but you dont want to agree because it applies to you.</quote>I'm trying to get you to understand that you can help change their status quo if you don't go attacking them. If you can peacefully change their status quo you'll win them over. You won't win them over by demanding they stand up and donate or protest or whatever. Or treat them as "not allies" at best and enemies at worst because they won't. You're creating so much more work for yourself by taking these hard line stances of "if you're not with me then you're my enemy/not my ally". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 06/08/20 12:26:06 PM #186:	gamepimp12 posted... You didnt. everyone in the topics just is being like Black People asked me to help them in some tangible fashion !?!?!? How dare they I guess Ill go be racist now You're missing the point where the original person in the article was saying cut off those who won't support. It goes beyond just asking and accepting if they won't/don't. It's actively shaming them for not. --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:940356494] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote>You didnt. everyone in the topics just is being like Black People asked me to help them in some tangible fashion !?!?!? How dare they I guess Ill go be racist now</quote>You're missing the point where the original person in the article was saying cut off those who won't support. It goes beyond just asking and accepting if they won't/don't. It's actively shaming them for not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 06/08/20 12:42:25 PM #187:	wackyteen posted... You're missing the point where the original person in the article was saying cut off those who won't support. It goes beyond just asking and accepting if they won't/don't. It's actively shaming them for not. im not missing the point, cause thats never been the point I was making. Even so if you say youre not racist but all your friends and family are, I have a hard time believing your not racist. wackyteen posted... I'm trying to get you to understand that you can help change their status quo if you don't go attacking them. If you can peacefully change their status quo you'll win them over. You won't win them over by demanding they stand up and donate or protest or whatever. Or treat them as "not allies" at best and enemies at worst because they won't. You're creating so much more work for yourself by taking these hard line stances of "if you're not with me then you're my enemy/not my ally". and I keep letting you know, these peoples opinions never change, theyll consistently choose the path with the least conflict over what they might feel is morally right. its no reason to conform to mediocrity or a moderate belief here. MLK was talking about these exact people 60 years ago and were still supposed to accommodate them in our struggles in hope that the peace stress free allyship we give them will one day spurn them into action ? fuck that youre better off waiting for them to die. --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:940357048] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>wackyteen posted... </cite> <quote>You're missing the point where the original person in the article was saying cut off those who won't support. It goes beyond just asking and accepting if they won't/don't. It's actively shaming them for not.</quote> im not missing the point, cause thats never been the point I was making. Even so if you say youre not racist but all your friends and family are, I have a hard time believing your not racist. wackyteen posted... </cite> <quote>I'm trying to get you to understand that you can help change their status quo if you don't go attacking them. If you can peacefully change their status quo you'll win them over. You won't win them over by demanding they stand up and donate or protest or whatever. Or treat them as "not allies" at best and enemies at worst because they won't. You're creating so much more work for yourself by taking these hard line stances of "if you're not with me then you're my enemy/not my ally".</quote> and I keep letting you know, these peoples opinions never change, theyll consistently choose the path with the least conflict over what they might feel is morally right. its no reason to conform to mediocrity or a moderate belief here. MLK was talking about these exact people 60 years ago and were still supposed to accommodate them in our struggles in hope that the peace stress free allyship we give them will one day spurn them into action ? fuck that youre better off waiting for them to die. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Artemis86 06/08/20 12:51:55 PM #188:	wackyteen posted... I'd still encourage you to speak out against police brutality because they've clearly demonstrated they don't care about race or creed at the moment. They out there committing legitimate war crimes. Don't let the over-zealous drown out your voice. I've given up talking about it. People are too extreme for there to be any point. Hell, look at the response here. Accusations of racism, inferences, etc., etc. All because I pointed out someone that was a supposed "ally" (even used air quotes as their actions do nothing but harm the movement) was committing violence and everyone was finding themselves quite unable to condemn it because of their "side." Still can't, in fact. Would rather scream about racism. Hell, just for pointing out that police brutality can happen regardless of color in a prior topic (for some people who somehow thought themselves immune based on akin tone no less), shadowsun was screaming about how I was "trying to diminish the plight of the black man" and accused me of sympathizing white nationalism. For saying other races can get bad treatment from cops as well! Wtf. CyricZ posted... If all it took was an uncomfortable confrontation for someone to go off the deep end into full-blown racism, then calling them "would-be allies" seems a bit disingenuous. Yeah, someone nearly attempting a murder and only relenting due to realizing they were being filmed on a live stream is totally just an "uncomfortable confrontation" lol. One I note that none of the braying accusers have condemned at all, this entire time, despite being given multiple opportunities to do so. Why not? <cite>Artemis86 posted [p:940357436] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>wackyteen posted... </cite> <quote>I'd still encourage you to speak out against police brutality because they've clearly demonstrated they don't care about race or creed at the moment. They out there committing legitimate war crimes. Don't let the over-zealous drown out your voice.</quote>I've given up talking about it. People are too extreme for there to be any point. Hell, look at the response here. Accusations of racism, inferences, etc., etc. All because I pointed out someone that was a supposed "ally" (even used air quotes as their actions do nothing but harm the movement) was committing violence and everyone was finding themselves quite unable to condemn it because of their "side." Still can't, in fact. Would rather scream about racism. Hell, just for pointing out that police brutality can happen regardless of color in a prior topic (for some people who somehow thought themselves immune based on akin tone no less), shadowsun was screaming about how I was "trying to diminish the plight of the black man" and accused me of sympathizing white nationalism. For saying other races can get bad treatment from cops as well! Wtf. CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>If all it took was an uncomfortable confrontation for someone to go off the deep end into full-blown racism, then calling them "would-be allies" seems a bit disingenuous.</quote> Yeah, someone nearly attempting a murder and only relenting due to realizing they were being filmed on a live stream is totally just an "uncomfortable confrontation" lol. One I note that none of the braying accusers have condemned at all, this entire time, despite being given multiple opportunities to do so. Why not? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 06/08/20 12:54:19 PM #189:	Artemis86 posted... One I note that none of the braying accusers have condemned at all, this entire time, despite being given multiple opportunities to do so. Funny how you're allowed to issue a "purity test" --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:940357545] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>Artemis86 posted... </cite> <quote>One I note that none of the braying accusers have condemned at all, this entire time, despite being given multiple opportunities to do so.</quote>Funny how you're allowed to issue a "purity test" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 06/08/20 12:55:57 PM #190:	gamepimp12 posted... Even so if you say youre not racist but all your friends and family are, I have a hard time believing your not racist. I was raised to believe that nobody asked to be born where they were, what they are or into the situation they were born into. You treat me fair, I'll treat you fair. Treat me bad, I'll drop you fast af. Treat me as your ally and maybe I'll actually support you. Treat me as though you think I'm racist or your enemy then don't be surprised when I don't support you. Also I don't live at home anymore and I've spent a lot of time around a lot of different cultures since I left. gamepimp12 posted... and I keep letting you know, these peoples opinions never change, theyll consistently choose the path with the least conflict over what they might feel is morally right. And attacking them for being that way only serves to spurn them and potentially drive them into bad hands. If you're patient with them and show them that you're not a threat to their day to day then you might discover true allies in some of them. Not all of them, but some. It'll be a slow process. gamepimp12 posted... MLK was talking about these exact people 60 years ago and were still supposed to accommodate them in our struggles in hope that the peace stress free allyship we give them will one day spurn them into action ? Better than spurning them away because it's been X amount of decades. gamepimp12 posted... f*** that youre better off waiting for them to die. Some of them sure, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be putting in the effort to win over as many people as you can in the mean time. --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:940357607] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote>Even so if you say youre not racist but all your friends and family are, I have a hard time believing your not racist.</quote>I was raised to believe that nobody asked to be born where they were, what they are or into the situation they were born into. You treat me fair, I'll treat you fair. Treat me bad, I'll drop you fast af. Treat me as your ally and maybe I'll actually support you. Treat me as though you think I'm racist or your enemy then don't be surprised when I don't support you. Also I don't live at home anymore and I've spent a lot of time around a lot of different cultures since I left. gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote>and I keep letting you know, these peoples opinions never change, theyll consistently choose the path with the least conflict over what they might feel is morally right.</quote>And attacking them for being that way only serves to spurn them and potentially drive them into bad hands. If you're patient with them and show them that you're not a threat to their day to day then you might discover true allies in some of them. Not all of them, but some. It'll be a slow process. gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote>MLK was talking about these exact people 60 years ago and were still supposed to accommodate them in our struggles in hope that the peace stress free allyship we give them will one day spurn them into action ?</quote>Better than spurning them away because it's been X amount of decades. gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote>f** that youre better off waiting for them to die.</quote>Some of them sure, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be putting in the effort to win over as many people as you can in the mean time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Artemis86 06/08/20 1:07:41 PM #191:	CyricZ posted... Funny how you're allowed to issue a "purity test" "I don't condone politically motivated violence and murder" is apparently now a purity test. Do you support violently harming or even killing those you disagree with? <cite>Artemis86 posted [p:940358110] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Funny how you're allowed to issue a "purity test"</quote> "I don't condone politically motivated violence and murder" is apparently now a purity test. Do you support violently harming or even killing those you disagree with? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 06/08/20 1:13:26 PM #192:	wackyteen posted... You're missing the point where the original person in the article was saying cut off those who won't support. It goes beyond just asking and accepting if they won't/don't. It's actively shaming them for not. why would you associate with someone who didnt believe in the fight against racial inequality? --- nothing is a greater tell of an awful human than using "social justice warrior" as a pejorative. without exception.- Bomani Jones <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:940358367] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>wackyteen posted... </cite> <quote>You're missing the point where the original person in the article was saying cut off those who won't support. It goes beyond just asking and accepting if they won't/don't. It's actively shaming them for not.</quote> why would you associate with someone who didnt believe in the fight against racial inequality? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 06/08/20 1:15:42 PM #193:	Do you realize how ridiculous you sound. i know doing this hasnt worked for 70 years, but you should keep doing it cause maybe at year 75 everyone will change their minds. And the last thing you wanna do is piss off the people who have already decided they wont do anything either way This is my last reply to you because youve already decided you dont care to do ANYTHING, you just dont wanna be lumped in with the racist you considering family and friends. --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:940358469] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>Do you realize how ridiculous you sound. i know doing this hasnt worked for 70 years, but you should keep doing it cause maybe at year 75 everyone will change their minds. And the last thing you wanna do is piss off the people who have already decided they wont do anything either way This is my last reply to you because youve already decided you dont care to do ANYTHING, you just dont wanna be lumped in with the racist you considering family and friends. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 06/08/20 1:17:38 PM #194:	I think Artemis just wants you to condemn that one bad actors actions. Otherwise it makes you look like you agree that he was in the right to stab people bad try to kill them under the name of being an ally of the BLM movement. Im not saying I agree with the implication that you agree with this rogue actors actions but that's what he seems to want --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:940358551] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>I think Artemis just wants you to condemn that one bad actors actions. Otherwise it makes you look like you agree that he was in the right to stab people bad try to kill them under the name of being an ally of the BLM movement. Im not saying I agree with the implication that you agree with this rogue actors actions but that's what he seems to want </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 06/08/20 1:17:45 PM #195:	Artemis86 posted... "I don't condone politically motivated violence and murder" is apparently now a purity test. Do you support violently harming or even killing those you disagree with? when youre applying that to the entire belief yeah it is a purity test, if one dudes actions voided not only the Organization but the beliefs behind said organization you where already looking for a reason not to support, everyone else see it and thats why people are calling you out --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:940358557] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>Artemis86 posted... </cite> <quote>"I don't condone politically motivated violence and murder" is apparently now a purity test. Do you support violently harming or even killing those you disagree with?</quote> when youre applying that to the entire belief yeah it is a purity test, if one dudes actions voided not only the Organization but the beliefs behind said organization you where already looking for a reason not to support, everyone else see it and thats why people are calling you out </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 06/08/20 1:28:15 PM #196:	BeantownHero posted... why would you associate with someone who didnt believe in the fight against racial inequality? You can believe in the fight against racial inequality without being out on the streets. You can refuse to associate with them all you want but if you ever want to win those people over to actually being out in the streets maybe try not mislabeling them or shaming them for not doing it right now. Because otherwise you do exactly what you did to Artemis in this topic, you spurned them away with your extreme (to the current and past norm) rhetoric. That rhetoric has a time and place but this early on, it only serves to divide. I'm just begging you to be careful because I want the BLM movement to be as successful as possible. I want to see it thrive and competently crush racists. I hate seeing would be supporters spurned away because they're not throwing their normal away. gamepimp12 posted... This is my last reply to you because youve already decided you dont care to do ANYTHING, you just dont wanna be lumped in with the racist you considering family and friends. Ever consider maybe I'm in an entirely different situation where even if i want to that maybe I don't want to make a public statement of support given my profession? --- The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen <cite>wackyteen posted [p:940359032] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>BeantownHero posted... </cite> <quote>why would you associate with someone who didnt believe in the fight against racial inequality?</quote>You can believe in the fight against racial inequality without being out on the streets. You can refuse to associate with them all you want but if you ever want to win those people over to actually being out in the streets maybe try not mislabeling them or shaming them for not doing it right now. Because otherwise you do exactly what you did to Artemis in this topic, you spurned them away with your extreme (to the current and past norm) rhetoric. That rhetoric has a time and place but this early on, it only serves to divide. I'm just begging you to be careful because I want the BLM movement to be as successful as possible. I want to see it thrive and competently crush racists. I hate seeing would be supporters spurned away because they're not throwing their normal away. gamepimp12 posted... </cite> <quote>This is my last reply to you because youve already decided you dont care to do ANYTHING, you just dont wanna be lumped in with the racist you considering family and friends.</quote>Ever consider maybe I'm in an entirely different situation where even if i want to that maybe I don't want to make a public statement of support given my profession? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoyalPeach 06/08/20 1:30:02 PM #197:	ill get right on that --- BlackLivesMatter <cite>RoyalPeach posted [p:940359102] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>ill get right on that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamepimp12 06/08/20 1:41:05 PM #198:	I know I said the last response was the last response but what profession outside of professional Rope noose maker would prevent you from making any sort of statement. Even then its not stopping you from making any sort of donation. at this point youre just trolling --- we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em <cite>gamepimp12 posted [p:940359584] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>I know I said the last response was the last response but what profession outside of professional Rope noose maker would prevent you from making any sort of statement. Even then its not stopping you from making any sort of donation. at this point youre just trolling </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The-Apostle 06/08/20 1:52:23 PM #199:	Dude needs to STFU tbh... --- http://goo.gl/mnO36O #GoPackGo Not changing sig until NHL players are allowed to play in the Olympics. Started 2/22/2018 <cite>The-Apostle posted [p:940360030] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote>Dude needs to STFU tbh... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 06/08/20 1:53:55 PM #200:	You can believe in the fight against racial inequality without being out on the streets. Users here have listed several ways allies can support movement --- nothing is a greater tell of an awful human than using "social justice warrior" as a pejorative. without exception.- Bomani Jones <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:940360091] in NYT writer... [t:78752041]...</cite> <quote><quote>You can believe in the fight against racial inequality without being out on the streets.</quote> Users here have listed several ways allies can support movement </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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