Poll of the Day > Seth Rogen tells anybody who says ALL LIVES MATTER to F*** OFF from his MOVIES!

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Seth Rogen has blasted anyone on his social media page who are posting "All Lives Matter" to STOP WATCHING HIS MOVIES as trolls have been posting it non stop on his page after his support for the black lives matter movement

He wrote to those people "F*** OFF. You don't deserve my movies anymore. Stop watching my s***"

He's not the only one as Ashton Kutcher and Pink are among some who have also had to defend themselves for blasting All Lives Matter trolls as Ashton made an impassioned video on why the statement is wrong on all levels. He doesn't think those people should be canceled but they should be educated. He said "We all agree, All Lives Matter, but i really had a pointed experience tonight when i was putting my kids down to bed that lent the words for why Black Lives Matter. For some people, black lives don't matter at all. So for us, black lives matter. So while you may have the best intentions in saying All Lives Matter, remember, for some people, black lives don't matter" .

All Lives Matter is a phrase used in opposition to Black Lives Matter and is often taking away the movement calling for racial justice for black people.The purpose of the movement isn't to excluse but to emphasize the lack of action and attention brought by systemic racism and violence black people are facing. The group is saying all lives matter isn't true until black lives matter.

Do you understand why All Lives Matter statement is wrong on all levels?

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Ive never paid to see one of his movies and hes from Vancouver, so his way of thinking isnt surprising at all.

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Good thing his movies are shit then.
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He's a leftist nutball no surprise.

I see where they are coming from but I disagree, I feel like a good chunk of people that say ALM are generally not racist but are older and don't understand what BLM actually means, but they aren't hateful

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A good example of why "All Lives Matter" is pissing people off

Say you support 2A and a group of people start attacking it. Say that same group actively tries to overturn 2A. You and the rest of the 2A supporters start protesting to protect 2A. Then people start trying to push the narrative of "All Amendments Matter". Do you see how that diminishes your movement to protect 2A?

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Nightwish posted...

A good example of why "All Lives Matter" is pissing people off

Say you support 2A and a group of people start attacking it. Say that same group actively tries to overturn 2A. You and the rest of the 2A supporters start protesting to protect 2A. Then people start trying to push the narrative of "All Amendments Matter". Do you see how that diminishes your movement to protect 2A?

I have never once said ALM (aside from talking about it, like now) and I can see why it seems belittling but all the cases I've seen myself irl have been genuinely good people that don't understand what BLM means, so I'm not going to assume it's bad people saying ALM, though I know there are some.

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Nightwish posted...

A good example of why "All Lives Matter" is pissing people off

Say you support 2A and a group of people start attacking it. Say that same group actively tries to overturn 2A. You and the rest of the 2A supporters start protesting to protect 2A. Then people start trying to push the narrative of "All Amendments Matter". Do you see how that diminishes your movement to protect 2A?

Imagine a white guy, a white woman, a black man and an asian woman were all getting mugged and somebody saying on facebook "Why are they attacking that white woman and black man?! Somebody should help them! #BLM #Feminism". Isn't it at least a little bit dodgy that they specifically picked out some of the group in the same situation to defend?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Imagine a white guy, a white woman, a black man and an asian woman were all getting mugged and somebody saying on facebook "Why are they attacking that white woman and black man?! Somebody should help them! #BLM #Feminism". Isn't it at least a little bit dodgy that they specifically picked out some of the group in the same situation to defend?

The current issue isnt about picking out certain groups to defend, it's about raising awareness to the groups who are outnumbered/cant defend themselves. #BLM isnt about diminishing rights and protections of other people, it's about bringing the black community on the same level as the white community. By and large the white community doesnt have to worry about police harassment and brutality NEARLY as much as a PoC.

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Nightwish posted...

The current issue isnt about picking out certain groups to defend, it's about raising awareness to the groups who are outnumbered/cant defend themselves.

So it has nothing to do with race, so "black" is unnecessary unless specifying it's only an issue because it effects black people. If you're poor, and thus objectively less capable of creating change, you'll get shit from police more but you don't see that being brought up.

Nightwish posted...

#BLM isnt about diminishing rights and protections of other people, it's about bringing the black community on the same level as the white community. By and large the white community doesnt have to worry about police harassment and brutality NEARLY as much as a PoC.

Don't make me get that Twitter post shown here. Black people are killed less in arrests of violent crimes. It's not an issue of race, it's an issue of police brutality.
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Nightwish posted...

By and large the white community doesnt have to worry about police harassment and brutality NEARLY as much as a PoC.

Right now, at this very moment, pretty much EVERYONE needs to worry about police brutality. Tear gas and rubber bullets don't discriminate.

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Zareth posted...

Right now, at this very moment, pretty much EVERYONE needs to worry about police brutality. Tear gas and rubber bullets don't discriminate.

Yeah right now, a month ago that was not the case.

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ALM as a response is like if Bob is still waiting for his food and, when he says he needs his food, everyone else at the table (who already has their food) replies with 'yes everyone needs food'.

Like... Yeah technically everyone needs food to live. But you guys have your food, Bob doesn't. It's technically true, but also insensitive and tone deaf.

ChaosAzeroth posted...

ALM as a response is like if Bob is still waiting for his food and, when he says he needs his food, everyone else at the table (who already has their food) replies with 'yes everyone needs food'.

Let me know when white people aren't subject to police brutality.
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Full Throttle posted...

Seth Rogen has blasted anyone on his social media page [...] to STOP WATCHING HIS MOVIES

That's probably the stupidest fad in years. Granted, I'd love for somebody who says that to get exactly wish for because they don't realize how badly their careers would be hurt as a result and being taken down a peg would probably do them a bit of good.

Nightwish posted...

A good example of why "All Lives Matter" is pissing people off

Say you support 2A and a group of people start attacking it. Say that same group actively tries to overturn 2A. You and the rest of the 2A supporters start protesting to protect 2A. Then people start trying to push the narrative of "All Amendments Matter". Do you see how that diminishes your movement to protect 2A?

What?

ChaosAzeroth posted...

ALM as a response is like if Bob is still waiting for his food and, when he says he needs his food, everyone else at the table (who already has their food) replies with 'yes everyone needs food'.

Like... Yeah technically everyone needs food to live. But you guys have your food, Bob doesn't. It's technically true, but also insensitive and tone deaf.

ALM is the perfect response to a racist movement that claims to want to stop racism. If BLM wanted to actually make a difference for all people impacted by police brutality, they'd go with a different name. However, they don't care about all victims, just black victims. That's why when other groups are abused by police, you don't hear a peep from them. And the stupid thing is that if they were actually inclusive, they might stand a better chance of getting everybody on board. Instead they're relying on a shittier tactic where they've made it about race so they can make accusations of racism against anybody who dissents.

But to your dinner table metaphor, the person asking for food is just asking for himself and doesn't give a shit if anybody else at the table hadn't had their food, even if those people are about to pass out. And they're going out of their way to be very clear that they're only interested in their food and nobody else's. And while some people at that table might have had an appetizer, or salad, or soup, nobody has had their meal.

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Wow, you either REALLLLLLLY dont get BLM or you're being intentionally dense.

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Nightwish posted...

Wow, you either REALLLLLLLY dont get BLM or you're being intentionally dense.

It's you who either REALLLLLLLY doesn't get BLM or you're trying to troll.

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Zeus posted...

It's you who either REALLLLLLLY doesn't get BLM or you're trying to troll.

Ok so what I've gleaned is you want everyone included in the BLM movement and the movement to have a more inclusive name? You really don't see how the black community would be shortchanged AGAIN if that was the case? Kinda like how they're shortchanged in nearly every possible way in the world? Why does EVERYTHING need to include caucasians? Once you include caucasians who have had a MUCH easier time in society you remove the focus of the injustices committed on the black community. And nobody is saying other lives dont matter and black lives matter more, it's just right now BLACK people are trying to stand up and be heard.

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Nightwish posted...

You really don't see how the black community would be shortchanged AGAIN if that was the case?

No, because unlike you, I see black people as people too. If they were shortchanged then change was not sufficient or it was identifiably racist and you'd have a reason to do BLM.

Nightwish posted...

Why does EVERYTHING need to include caucasians?

Just everything that effects caucasians, because we also dislike being brutalised by the police. Being white doesn't mean I should suck it up.

Nightwish posted...

Once you include caucasians who have had a MUCH easier time in society you remove the focus of the injustices committed on the black community.

Or, because black people are people, injustices on black communities are injustices on people in general, and thus are highlighted. If you think people care more about white people and less about black people, why would you not want to have your problems associated with white people? Surely in your world, if people said "white people are getting brutalised by the police, change your policies!" then change would occur to help white people and indirectly help black people because they can't write explicitly racist policies.
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There is a lot of research clearly indicating that black people receive more discrimination from cops. Black men are something like +150% more likely to be shot by a cop than a white men, for example. I assume that's the sort of thing BLM is trying to address, so it seems like a bit of an asshole move to stick your big white head in and be like, "come on, guise, ALL lives matter!" Yeah, all lives matter, but that's not the point of the movement, dipshit.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Just everything that effects caucasians, because we also dislike being brutalised by the police. Being white doesn't mean I should suck it up.

White people arent brutalized or profiled like black people, not even close, not even the same league let alone ballpark

Or, because black people are people, injustices on black communities are injustices on people in general, and thus are highlighted. If you think people care more about white people and less about black people, why would you not want to have your problems associated with white people? Surely in your world, if people said "white people are getting brutalised by the police, change your policies!" then change would occur to help white people and indirectly help black people because they can't write explicitly racist policies.

Yes because the police have been following non-racist policies for years, not like black people are incarcerated 5x more than whites or anything.

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kind9 posted...

There is a lot of research clearly indicating that black people receive more discrimination from cops.

There's counter research debunking it, but being as it's controversial to deny racism, it's tucked away like IQ differences between nations.

kind9 posted...

Black men are something like +150% more likely to be shot by a cop than a white men, for example.

Considering how there's 5x as many black people than white people in prison, that indicates that white people get shot at more often than black people when they've actually commited a crime.

kind9 posted...

I assume that's the sort of thing BLM is trying to address

It's a nice example of using stats to manipulate people.

Here's a hot take: black criminals notice people getting heated over race and making policies to favour minorities. If black people were treated favourably by police, they would get caught less. Seeing as there are more black people commiting crimes, there's data there to twist SJW arms in to giving them this benefit. Because it's an issue of race, disagreement can be twisted in to racism, so it puts further pressure on governments to turn a blind eye to black crime. BLM is a criminally motivated organisation suited to reducing police presence where black criminals operate.

Nightwish posted...

White people arent brutalized or profiled like black people, not even close, not even the same league let alone ballpark

It's simply not highlighted as nobody cares if a white guy is profiled. More black people get targeted, but that's because more black people are commiting crimes. If a ginger guy robs a bank and the police start stopping gingers to find the perp you wouldn't get the same shit, but it's the same thing.

Nightwish posted...

Yes because the police have been following non-racist policies for years, not like black people are incarcerated 5x more than whites or anything.

Commit less crimes, get arrested less, that simple. If you want a community movement to reduce arrests against black people, root out your criminals so you don't get suspicion in your community.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's simply not highlighted as nobody cares if a white guy is profiled. More black people get targeted, but that's because more black people are commiting crimes. If a ginger guy robs a bank and the police start stopping gingers to find the perp you wouldn't get the same shit, but it's the same thing.

Ever stop and think WHY black people commit more crimes?

Commit less crimes, get arrested less, that simple. If you want a community movement to reduce arrests against black people, root out your criminals so you don't get suspicion in your community.

Less crimes would be committed if more state and federal funding hit these inner city communities. Drug use is linked heavily with hopelessness and depression. Drug dealing is prevalent in these communities because theres no decent job opportunities in their neighborhoods. Robberies go hand in hand with poverty. It might sound nice on paper if these inner city "thugs" would just stop breaking the law but do you REALLY expect people to just sit back and starve while they watch the nice neighborhoods a few blocks away flourish with good schools and better oppritunities? Inner city crime and by extension black crime will not go down overnight, it's a generational change that the governments refused to invest in.

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Nightwish posted...

Ever stop and think WHY black people commit more crimes?

Well it ain't anything inherent to being black, bud. Being poor isn't an excuse.

Nightwish posted...

Less crimes would be committed if more state and federal funding hit these inner city communities.

See above.

Nightwish posted...

Drug use is linked heavily with hopelessness and depression.

Then I guess we should have Methhead Lives Matter also?

you don't get to say "I wasn't happy so just let me go smoke up and attack people", there's no excuse.

Nightwish posted...

Drug dealing is prevalent in these communities because theres no decent job opportunities in their neighborhoods.

Move, help eachother get jobs, start businesses, graft. Again, hicks aren't crying that their lives matter yet their areas are just as fucky.

Nightwish posted...

Robberies go hand in hand with poverty. It might sound nice on paper if these inner city "thugs" would just stop breaking the law but do you REALLY expect people to just sit back and starve while they watch the nice neighborhoods a few blocks away flourish with good schools and better oppritunities?

I expect you to either act within in the law and accept that you don't get a better place in life by just wishing for it, or keep acting like a criminal but remember that you've only got yourself to blame if you get caught. Take responsibility for your life however you choose to play it.

Nightwish posted...

Inner city crime and by extension black crime will not go down overnight, it's a generational change that the governments refused to invest in.

It'll only go down if you try to reduce it, not by demanding the police not enforce the law to make convenient stats look better.
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scary to see the amount of ppl who pressed no.

His house is on fire. His house matters so the firemen are spraying his house to take out the fire.
Karen runs out her home and says "Hey! All houses matter! spray my house too!"

Silly of her right?

Granted every house matters but this house is burning and on fire as are others in different places so Karen stating her point isn't valuing the houses that need attention now. Immediately.

To say All lives matter is you blatantly saying you're not noticing (or don't want to) that blacks don't have the real freedom other Americans have. Especially with police murdering (supposedly accidentally or purposefully from intimidation) blacks with no repercussion. Police use their force on many people of all complexions but its fact Blacks are top in unnecessary brutality even on innocent ppl, Non resisting ppl, hands up on their back black ppl... Young boys just because they have hoodies... Its there.
This has always been happening but now its being caught on film and documented and GETTING worse.

Now there's even regular joes thinking calling the policeon a black person because they feel "threatened" even though its the regular Joe who was trying to make a citizens arrest over the black guy doing a jog in the neighborhood.Now the officer starts cuffing them roughly or mace. Even worse. Especially when they ask questions or defend themselves.
If someone hasn't understood what ive said it's because either:
A.You're genuinely slow and im sorry for you.
B. You dont care because its not you who's affected.
C. You're racist
Think about it... harder

Kyuubi4269 posted...

There's counter research debunking it, but being as it's controversial to deny racism, it's tucked away like IQ differences between nations.

When I said research I really meant hard data. Just look at the numbers. And when I said blacks are more than 2.5x more likely to be shot by police, I meant killed by police. What is your counter research? And please tell me it's not some pseudoscientific, race realist garbage.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Well it ain't anything inherent to being black, bud. Being poor isn't an excuse.

Never said it was an excuse, it's the reason.

See above.

Then I guess we should have Methhead Lives Matter also?

Meth is predominantly a hillbilly white drug, cops dont mess with white people as much as black people, as has been proven

you don't get to say "I wasn't happy so just let me go smoke up and attack people", there's no excuse.

Didnt say they were attacking people, was citing the reason for the demand of drug dealers in black communities. And once again, not an excuse, the reason.

Move, help eachother get jobs, start businesses, graft. Again, hicks aren't crying that their lives matter yet their areas are just as fucky.

Move where? To the decent communities where they'll be exiled and pushed out by the racist police force? And the hicks aren't crying because they've been given the distraction of people to blame their problems on by the media.

I expect you to either act within in the law and accept that you don't get a better place in life by just wishing for it, or keep acting like a criminal but remember that you've only got yourself to blame if you get caught. Take responsibility for your life however you choose to play it.

Easy to say when the deck isnt stacked against you from birth.

It'll only go down if you try to reduce it, not by demanding the police not enforce the law to make convenient stats look better.

Nobody said not to enforce the law, taking away the REASON for crime by investing in community schooling and small business so people dont have to break the law to feed themselves.


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LadyHylia00 posted...

scary to see the amount of ppl who pressed no.

His house is on fire. His house matters so the firemen are spraying his house to take out the fire.
Karen runs out her home and says "Hey! All houses matter! spray my house too!"

Silly of her right?

Granted every house matters but this house is burning and on fire as are others in different places so Karen stating her point isn't valuing the houses that need attention now. Immediately.

Implying that stopping police brutality would give brutality against black people less assistance, or that black people have a more immediate concern despite not being targeted.

LadyHylia00 posted...

To say All lives matter is you blatantly saying you're not noticing (or don't want to) that blacks don't have the real freedom other Americans have.

Exactly. You have no proof.

LadyHylia00 posted...

Especially with police murdering (supposedly accidentally or purposefully from intimidation) blacks with no repercussion.

All people.

LadyHylia00 posted...

Police use their force on many people of all complexions but its fact Blacks are top in unnecessary brutality even on innocent ppl, Non resisting ppl, hands up on their back black ppl... Young boys just because they have hoodies... Its there.

1. It's less common on black people relative to crime rate.
2. I have been stopped when wearing a hoody, I am very white, it's not racial.

LadyHylia00 posted...

Think about it... harder

You really should.
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Nightwish posted...

Never said it was an excuse, it's the reason.

Then there's nothing to protest. If you accept that it does not excuse the crime, then it is appropriate that they would be arrested for the crime at their higher rate. It would be racist to then say that black people should be arrested less despite not having an excuse for the crimes commited.

Nightwish posted...

Meth is predominantly a hillbilly white drug, cops dont mess with white people as much as black people, as has been proven

You haven't proven shit. All I see is white people commiting less crime, and that you refuse to address it.

Nightwish posted...

Didnt say they were attacking people, was citing the reason for the demand of drug dealers in black communities. And once again, not an excuse, the reason.

Once again, what their crime is is irrelevant, but I'd like to note that there is more violent crime by black people on average, so inherently there should be a more violent response on average.

Nightwish posted...

Move where? To the decent communities where they'll be exiled and pushed out by the racist police force?

Prove this happening, also protesting that might be more productive if you have any proof that exists.

Nightwish posted...

And the hicks aren't crying because they've been given the distraction of people to blame their problems on by the media.

At least blaming illegal immigration directly targets them, the poor, by highlighting the actually present issue of illegal hiring that allows tax to be saved and wages to be below minimum for those who act criminally. It doesn't solve a whole lot but it does have some standing and isn't trying to give a reason to act criminally.

Nightwish posted...

Easy to say when the deck isnt stacked against you from birth.

Easy to say the deck is stacked against you when times are tough than get on your feet and try to make your life better. If you choose to cry that things aren't in your favour, you're going to get approximately zero respect from those around you.

Nightwish posted...

Nobody said not to enforce the law, taking away the REASON for crime by investing in community schooling and small business so people dont have to break the law to feed themselves.

And how does that specifically have anything to do with being black? If you improve communities and small businesses then all people are helped because ALL LIVES MATTER. Do you get it now?
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How about we go with No Lives Matter and allow cops to murder everybody on the spot based on whatever whim or mood they might be feeling in the moment? Maybe that's a good compromise.

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kind9 posted...

How about we go with No Lives Matter and allow cops to murder everybody on the spot based on whatever whim or mood they might be feeling in the moment? Maybe that's a good compromise.

That would mean that the people could shoot the police too, so sure, let's just go anarchy.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Then there's nothing to protest. If you accept that it does not excuse the crime, then it is appropriate that they would be arrested for the crime at their higher rate. It would be racist to then say that black people should be arrested less despite not having an excuse for the crimes commited.

I never said dont arrest people that commit crimes.

You haven't proven shit. All I see is white people commiting less crime, and that you refuse to address it.

Do you think black people commit crimes because it's fun? Or could there MAYBE be a deeper reason for it that I've tried to explain that you conveniently ignore?

Once again, what their crime is is irrelevant, but I'd like to note that there is more violent crime by black people on average, so inherently there should be a more violent response on average.

And theres more sexual assault and child endangerment and pedophilia among the white community, what should the response to that be?

Prove this happening, also protesting that might be more productive if you have any proof that exists.

Yup you're right, that NEVER happens.

At least blaming illegal immigration directly targets them, the poor, by highlighting the actually present issue of illegal hiring that allows tax to be saved and wages to be below minimum for those who act criminally. It doesn't solve a whole lot but it does have some standing and isn't trying to give a reason to act criminally.

Yep, it's illegal immigration keeping wages down, not huge corporations hoarding trillions while paying workers shit. Keep spewing the fox news bullshit

Easy to say the deck is stacked against you when times are tough than get on your feet and try to make your life better. If you choose to cry that things aren't in your favour, you're going to get approximately zero respect from those around you.

Easy to say from a position of white privilege

And how does that specifically have anything to do with being black? If you improve communities and small businesses then all people are helped because ALL LIVES MATTER. Do you get it now?

Because the issue is with the BLACK COMMUNITY! Stop trying to make every single thing about white people


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Nightwish posted...

I never said dont arrest people that commit crimes.

No, just to engage violent criminals without any force if they're black or just let them go if they resist.

Nightwish posted...

Do you think black people commit crimes because it's fun? Or could there MAYBE be a deeper reason for it that I've tried to explain that you conveniently ignore?

People commit crimes for a lot of reasons, do you assume all black criminals are morally righteous drug dealers supporting a starving family? But regardless, as you said, it doesn't excuse their actions.

Nightwish posted...

And theres more sexual assault and child endangerment and pedophilia among the white community, what should the response to that be?

Not to say white lives matter every time a pedophile is arrested lol

Nightwish posted...

Yup you're right, that NEVER happens.

Until you can prove it, we have to assume everything is kosher. When you have proof then people have a reason to support you outside blind faith and have something to present to validate the movement.

Nightwish posted...

Yep, it's illegal immigration keeping wages down, not huge corporations hoarding trillions while paying workers shit. Keep spewing the fox news bullshit

Because they want to keep their wages down they're going to favour illegal immigrants who are more willing to take pay under the table and can't complain when they're underpaid. It directly effects the poor. It's not an easy thing to deal with and there's definitely more effective ways to alleviate the problem, but it is an actual identifiable explanation for why they can't get jobs. It's one step above the dumpster fire of "EVERYTHING IN MY LIFE IS SHIT BECAUSE I'M BLACK".

Nightwish posted...

Easy to say from a position of white privilege

Prove how any aspect of my life has been improved by my being white. I live in a predominantly black area, I've had 2 black foster moms, I have a blue collar job, my housing is basic. What privilege have I recieved from my skin colour that I've not recognised?

Nightwish posted...

Because the issue is with the BLACK COMMUNITY! Stop trying to make every single thing about white people

Exactly. You don't care about the problem itself, you care about how it effects black people. You are a racist, you explicitly want the solution to not help other races, you care less about the problem when it effects someone who isn't black.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

No, just to engage violent criminals without any force if they're black or just let them go if they resist.

People commit crimes for a lot of reasons, do you assume all black criminals are morally righteous drug dealers supporting a starving family? But regardless, as you said, it doesn't excuse their actions.

Not to say white lives matter every time a pedophile is arrested lol

Until you can prove it, we have to assume everything is kosher. When you have proof then people have a reason to support you outside blind faith and have something to present to validate the movement.

Because they want to keep their wages down they're going to favour illegal immigrants who are more willing to take pay under the table and can't complain when they're underpaid. It directly effects the poor. It's not an easy thing to deal with and there's definitely more effective ways to alleviate the problem, but it is an actual identifiable explanation for why they can't get jobs. It's one step above the dumpster fire of "EVERYTHING IN MY LIFE IS SHIT BECAUSE I'M BLACK".

Prove how any aspect of my life has been improved by my being white. I live in a predominantly black area, I've had 2 black foster moms, I have a blue collar job, my housing is basic. What privilege have I recieved from my skin colour that I've not recognised?

Exactly. You don't care about the problem itself, you care about how it effects black people. You are a racist, you explicitly want the solution to not help other races, you care less about the problem when it effects someone who isn't black.

When did I say I dont want the solution to help other people? How does the solutions carry ANY DETRIMENT to non-POC? Holding police accountable for racism and overt brutality to black people helps EVERYONE. Taking real steps to improve inner city black neighborhoods help EVERYONE. The only people who should have a problem with BLM and actually focusing on the black problems are the ones who BENEFIT from the boot on the neck of POC.

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Nightwish posted...

When did I say I dont want the solution to help other people?

Kyuubs making an egregious strawman? Big surprise.

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Nightwish posted...

When did I say I dont want the solution to help other people?

When you got wound up that people would bring up how the problem is more universal than just to black people, highlighting how widespread the issue is.

Nightwish posted...

How does the solutions carry ANY DETRIMENT to non-POC?

It doesn't, note how nobody is against police reform. However if the police read the issue as exclusively black, then they may just bandaid it and reduce police in black areas to reduce incidents with black people instead of dealing with the propensity to resort to violence prematurely. You insisting it's a black problem is what pushes the police away from reform and toward a shitty stat gaming excersion. It makes the problem look localised (say specific departments), when we know it's systemic.

Nightwish posted...

Holding police accountable for racism and overt brutality to black people helps EVERYONE.

There's no need to tie them together and limit the scope. Overt brutality in principle is wrong, not just to black people, and you're giving them the opportunity to undercut their work.

Nightwish posted...

Taking real steps to improve inner city black neighborhoods help EVERYONE.

What step can be taken that wouldn't help every other race too? And because it effects everybody, why do you want to emphasise the effect on black people? Do you want them to specifically target inner city neighbourhoods with more black people, or do you want to target all inner city neighbourhoods but hype up your victimhood?

Nightwish posted...

The only people who should have a problem with BLM and actually focusing on the black problems are the ones who BENEFIT from the boot on the neck of POC.

Or people who have a problem with their methods. Violence and racism doesn't win hearts and minds. If you cry about the woes of racism while simulataneously saying "no white people", nobody's going to take you seriously.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

When you got wound up that people would bring up how the problem is more universal than just to black people, highlighting how widespread the issue is.

It doesn't, note how nobody is against police reform. However if the police read the issue as exclusively black, then they may just bandaid it and reduce police in black areas to reduce incidents with black people instead of dealing with the propensity to resort to violence prematurely. You insisting it's a black problem is what pushes the police away from reform and toward a shitty stat gaming excersion. It makes the problem look localised (say specific departments), when we know it's systemic.

There's no need to tie them together and limit the scope. Overt brutality in principle is wrong, not just to black people, and you're giving them the opportunity to undercut their work.

What step can be taken that wouldn't help every other race too? And because it effects everybody, why do you want to emphasise the effect on black people? Do you want them to specifically target inner city neighbourhoods with more black people, or do you want to target all inner city neighbourhoods but hype up your victimhood?

Or people who have a problem with their methods. Violence and racism doesn't win hearts and minds. If you cry about the woes of racism while simulataneously saying "no white people", nobody's going to take you seriously.

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I find its just safer to just shut up, not say anything, and sit in a corner with a teddy bear. Chickens who stick their neck out sometimes get it chopped off.

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Lol...Ill gladly stop watching his movies. Knocked Up was so damn bad.

I find him to be hilarious personally. I don't think he's been in a comedy I didn't like.

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kind9 posted...

I find him to be hilarious personally. I don't think he's been in a comedy I didn't like.

He definitely has some good roles...I wont deny that. But man has he had some awful ones.

Why not just call the group "Black Lives Matter Too"?

Who?

Do you have a link to this person?

8 black people killed during these riots. So apparently black lives don't matter?
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Full Throttle posted...

Can you understand why All Lives Matter is a bad counter-argument to Black Lives Matter?

Nope because I'm a privileged white boy apparently.
Still I don't like generalisations as not all lives matter no matter the race.


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I've got a minor issue with it being black lives matter. The idea which is true is that black people are having cops illegally harm them more than white people. I feel like the real issue though is why the fuck can the police harass anybody ever illegally and get away with it?

The solution to this problem doesn't involve race, it involves making police accountable for their actions. It's already illegal for cops to murder innocent people, we need a system in place where it's functionally impossible for a cop to get away with doing that to anybody.

Tying it to racial oppression is going to derail the solution to police brutality and focus the matter on other issues that are important, and do need to be dealt with, but they aren't this issue.

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I enjoy his movies from the mid to late 2000s. Haven't seen much from him in the last decade but it doesn't matter. I loved his responses to the idiots blasting him. And it doesn't surprise that me so many people here disagree with him. All lives matter, but some lives seemingly matter less to some people, especially the police. It's really not that hard to understand. And again, it didn't surprise me that many people on this site don't get it.

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