Poll of the Day > Took me 20 minutes to buy a gun

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DesertPenguin09
05/17/20 12:16:40 PM
#52:


FatalAccident posted...
I thought hollow points were illegal? Or is that just in warfare

WhiskeyDisk posted...
Only in warfare.

This is so backwards. It's not okay to use a weapon that tears up insides on an enemy combatant in a time of war but it's perfectly okay for regular citizens to use it on each other. I understand the mechanics behind why (less penetration so you don't have to worry about it going through the guy and into an innocent bystander) but still.

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Lokarin
05/17/20 12:57:09 PM
#53:


ultra magnus13 posted...
.......The FBI doesn't check by googling news headlines.

What? That's really sad that the FBI can't do the bare minimum...

Also, shouldn't it be the ATF that runs background checks for firearms? (and alcohol and tobacco)

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adjl
05/17/20 1:24:07 PM
#55:


Rasmoh posted...
20 minutes is ample time to check someone's ID and run a criminal background check.

20 minutes is barely enough time to get through most phone trees, let alone get the police to conduct a proper record check or have anyone with any sort of oversight approve an application. And that still only covers the "law-abiding" part and does nothing for "responsible," to say nothing of the "mentally sound" aspect that should also be considered.

Smarkil posted...
Somebody doesn't know about the 4473 form or the NICS.

Both of which can streamline the process of purchasing subsequent guns, but if the approval process to purchase a gun without prior approval takes less than 20 minutes, it's inadequate.

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Cacciato
05/17/20 1:27:51 PM
#56:


Miroku_of_Nite1 posted...
Cashiers take lake less time to verify someone buying alcohol.
Seen a lot of mass murders committed with a bottle of Jack Daniels?
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BeerOnTap
05/17/20 1:40:29 PM
#57:


I thought it wasn't actually you who wanted it, but rather your boyfriend who did? So why did you purchase it and not him?
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Jen0125
05/17/20 2:00:32 PM
#58:


The background check goes through the ATF not FBI

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Jen0125
05/17/20 2:01:12 PM
#59:


Cacciato posted...
Seen a lot of mass murders committed with a bottle of Jack Daniels?

He's probably trying to compare to drunk driving deaths and injuries. Which.. Just because another cause of death exists doesn't mean we shouldn't try to improve on other areas.

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Jen0125
05/17/20 2:01:44 PM
#60:


BeerOnTap posted...
I thought it wasn't actually you who wanted it, but rather your boyfriend who did? So why did you purchase it and not him?

He has a prior felony as a juvenile so we don't know if he can buy one. He reimbursed me for the expense.

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JebronLames
05/17/20 2:17:18 PM
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Why are you buying a gun for? Did you consider a glock? i think those are more expensive and more powerful, and better iirc

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Jen0125
05/17/20 2:23:09 PM
#62:


JebronLames posted...
Why are you buying a gun for? Did you consider a glock? i think those are more expensive and more powerful, and better iirc

I couldn't slide the rack on the 9mm as well

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ListerineStrips
05/17/20 3:26:00 PM
#63:


JebronLames posted...
Why are you buying a gun for? Did you consider a glock? i think those are more expensive and more powerful, and better iirc

This is a joke, right?
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OhhhJa
05/17/20 3:55:44 PM
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CharlesBronson
05/17/20 4:34:34 PM
#65:


adjl posted...
Because 20 minutes is nowhere close to enough time to make that assessment. Heck, it's barely enough time to verify the "adult" part, let alone responsible or law-abiding, to say nothing of the fact that being able to do it so quickly means it could very well be an impulsive, irrational decision (see: the effect that waiting periods have on successful suicide rates).
grow a pair. Look, we get it. Your afraid of guns. Do you sit to pee too?
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Jen0125
05/17/20 5:14:47 PM
#66:


CharlesBronson posted...
grow a pair. Look, we get it. Your afraid of guns. Do you sit to pee too?

This is the dumbest comment.

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The_tall_midget
05/17/20 5:18:40 PM
#67:


CharlesBronson posted...
grow a pair. Look, we get it. Your afraid of guns. Do you sit to pee too?

His afraid of guns? What about his afraid of guns? What happened to it? FINISH THE STORY!

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wwinterj25
05/17/20 5:27:19 PM
#68:


CharlesBronson posted...
Do you sit to pee too?

Depends if I need a shit tbf.

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The_tall_midget
05/17/20 5:31:22 PM
#69:


I can see this discussion steering in the: do you remove your clothes to go to the bathroom or not?

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ultra magnus13
05/17/20 5:42:12 PM
#70:


Jen0125 posted...
The background check goes through the ATF not FBI


No, NICS is ran by the FBI.
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Blightzkrieg
05/17/20 5:44:58 PM
#71:


Jen0125 posted...
This is the dumbest comment.
Tagged you as "sits to pee"

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DirtBasedSoap
05/17/20 5:45:11 PM
#72:


Blightzkrieg posted...
Tagged you as "sits to pee"
lmao

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Blightzkrieg
05/17/20 5:47:14 PM
#73:


for real though "what kind of wimp is scared of a psycho with a gun" is like a negative IQ take

like that's literally why we invented Batman

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BeerOnTap
05/17/20 6:50:48 PM
#74:


Jen0125 posted...
He has a prior felony as a juvenile so we don't know if he can buy one. He reimbursed me for the expense.

This is known as a straw purchase and it is highly illegal. You literally committed a felony and admitted to it.
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Samon-urai
05/17/20 7:01:20 PM
#75:


"Studies show that having a ladder in the house is more dangerous than a ladder, that's why I keep 10 loaded guns - just in case a maniac tries to sneak a ladder in here!"
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WhiskeyDisk
05/17/20 7:20:59 PM
#76:


BeerOnTap posted...
This is known as a straw purchase and it is highly illegal. You literally committed a felony and admitted to it.

Yeah... Jen, this was a really bad idea. Any crimes committed with that gun are going to point straight to you, and if the felon gets caught with it, it's automatic double penalties for them.

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LinkPizza
05/17/20 7:24:08 PM
#77:


JebronLames posted...
Why are you buying a gun for? Did you consider a glock? i think those are more expensive and more powerful, and better iirc

Jen had another topic where she said her house alarm went off. So she is getting home protection...

WhiskeyDisk posted...
Any crimes committed with that gun are going to point straight to you

So, as long as he doesn't commit any crimes, it should be fine...
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Lokarin
05/17/20 7:25:22 PM
#78:


Your BF is throwing up some serious Yellow Flags... maybe even a Red Flag.

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BeerOnTap
05/17/20 8:11:34 PM
#79:


LinkPizza posted...
So, as long as he doesn't commit any crimes, it should be fine...

If hes a felon, him simply possessing the gun is a crime.
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LinkPizza
05/17/20 8:15:09 PM
#80:


BeerOnTap posted...
If hes a felon, him simply possessing the gun is a crime.

So, don't give him the gun. She's still in the house. And technically the owner of the gun. Not him. And the hope is to never have to use it, anyway...
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Lobomoon
05/17/20 8:17:29 PM
#81:


https://youtu.be/6bilwWBSTVY?t=510

Stone Control.

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BeerOnTap
05/17/20 8:18:08 PM
#82:


LinkPizza posted...
So, don't give him the gun. She's still in the house. And technically the owner of the gun. Not him. And the hope is to never have to use it, anyway...

He reimbursed her for the gun. The entire purchase, from its conception to the actual transaction, were the idea of and for the boyfriend. You can split hairs all you want but this is a textbook straw purchase. The ATF wouldnt care about any of the semantics you just mentioned.
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Revelation34
05/17/20 8:20:42 PM
#83:


She purchased a gun, not straw.
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LinkPizza
05/17/20 8:26:14 PM
#84:


BeerOnTap posted...
He reimbursed her for the gun. The entire purchase, from its conception to the actual transaction, were the idea of and for the boyfriend. You can split hairs all you want but this is a textbook straw purchase. The ATF wouldnt care about any of the semantics you just mentioned.

And it also depends on the law. For example, in Texas, a felon can legally have a gun in the house for home protection. But cant ever leave the house with it. So, if Arizona has similar laws, then it would still be fine. The law likes to split hairs, so why shouldnt civilians?
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Jen0125
05/17/20 8:27:06 PM
#85:


BeerOnTap posted...
This is known as a straw purchase and it is highly illegal. You literally committed a felony and admitted to it.

Not really. The gun is mine. He wanted me to purchase it. He's not using it. He's going to try to go buy his own through the proper channels in a few weeks after he gets paid again.

BeerOnTap posted...
He reimbursed her for the gun. The entire purchase, from its conception to the actual transaction, were the idea of and for the boyfriend. You can split hairs all you want but this is a textbook straw purchase. The ATF wouldnt care about any of the semantics you just mentioned.

Also, I purchased the bullets. So he didn't pay for the entire purchase.

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Jen0125
05/17/20 8:35:08 PM
#86:


"A straw purchase or nominee purchase is any purchase wherein an agent agrees to acquire a good or service for someone who is unable or unwilling to purchase the good or service themselves, and the agent transfers the goods or services to that person after purchasing them. In general, straw purchases are legal except in cases where the ultimate receiver of goods or services uses those goods or services in the commission of a crime with the prior knowledge of the straw purchaser, or if the ultimate possessor is not legally able to purchase the goods or services."

This isn't what happened. I am legally able to purchase the gun and purchased it with my funds. The gun belongs to me. My boyfriend, after the purchase, gave me money for the gun that is for me that I own and is not for his use. I'm not transferring the goods to him.

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AwesomeTurtwig
05/17/20 8:35:46 PM
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The_tall_midget
05/17/20 8:37:27 PM
#88:


AwesomeTurtwig posted...
Gun pics

This. You jerks managed to reach 86 posts and not a single picture is here.

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Revelation34
05/17/20 8:38:16 PM
#89:


Somebody will just report it anyway if she posts the pic.
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Jen0125
05/17/20 8:41:41 PM
#90:


The_tall_midget posted...
This. You jerks managed to reach 86 posts and not a single picture is here.

My boyfriend wanted me to take a picture with it but I don't feel comfortable doing that

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AwesomeTurtwig
05/17/20 8:42:48 PM
#91:


Revelation34 posted...
Somebody will just report it anyway if she posts the pic.
https://i.imgur.com/ZU9I4fC.png

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Lobomoon
05/17/20 8:45:46 PM
#92:


AwesomeTurtwig posted...
https://i.imgur.com/ZU9I4fC.png

Here's my revolver.

Gun selfy.

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Fierce_Deity_08
05/17/20 8:58:12 PM
#93:


Miroku_of_Nite1 posted...
New Jersey they are illegal. Other states no.
I just looked it up and Im honestly surprised they arent illegal in California. You cant buy them in San Francisco but its not illegal to actually possess them there or anywhere else in the state.

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The_tall_midget
05/17/20 9:08:55 PM
#94:


Jen0125 posted...
My boyfriend wanted me to take a picture with it but I don't feel comfortable doing that

https://youtu.be/cRLVgFNTnIg?t=9

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Lobomoon
05/17/20 9:31:51 PM
#95:


Jen0125 posted...
My boyfriend wanted me to take a picture with it but I don't feel comfortable doing that

Being able to handle your boyfriend's gun is a key to a stable relationship.

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ultra magnus13
05/17/20 11:22:27 PM
#96:


AwesomeTurtwig posted...

https://i.imgur.com/ZU9I4fC.png

Here's my revolver.


686 or 629? From scale I'm thinking 629.
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The_tall_midget
05/18/20 5:15:29 AM
#97:


Revelation34 posted...
Somebody will just report it anyway if she posts the pic.

What kind of fucking oversensitive morons would moderate the picture of a gun?

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LinkPizza
05/18/20 5:37:43 AM
#98:


The_tall_midget posted...
What kind of fucking oversensitive morons would moderate the picture of a gun?

The Gamefaqs mods... I mean, youve seen the stuff they mod, right? I have no doubt that certain ones would definitely mod it...
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zebatov
05/18/20 9:26:44 AM
#100:


adjl posted...
It is indeed. Of course, people lose their minds the moment anyone starts seriously trying to implement any sort of actual controls on lethal weaponry, so that's unlikely to change any time soon.
Maybe if it actually hindered the people its supposed to, they wouldnt.

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adjl
05/18/20 9:45:36 AM
#101:


CharlesBronson posted...
grow a pair. Look, we get it. Your afraid of guns. Do you sit to pee too?

Lol.

zebatov posted...
Maybe if it actually hindered the people its supposed to, they wouldnt.

Realistically, there's no reason gun control has to involve unreasonable hindrance on people that are using them responsibly. The worst would be a need to lock them up when not in use (takes like two minutes) and a waiting period for new purchases (which is meaningless because anybody who thinks they need a gun as soon as they can get to a store is wrong and probably shouldn't have one anyway). Any form of control is going to restrict the supply that's available for criminals simply because that's how supply chains work, and any penalties suffered by people who fell short of their responsibilities as owners (which in this case would be properly securing them and honestly not that much else) are deserved despite not being full-on criminals because gun owners shouldn't be that irresponsible.

This "the problem's not going to completely go away if we do this so we should just give up and not do anything at all" attitude is really quite silly. There's ample middle ground that will preserve responsible gun owners' abilities to own and use guns responsibly while still reducing the number of guns that end up on the streets. The only reason this isn't enacted is because the arms industry's propaganda department is well-funded enough to convince everyone that a gun safe is literally Hitler.

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WhiskeyDisk
05/18/20 10:03:18 AM
#102:


The_tall_midget posted...
What kind of fucking oversensitive morons would moderate the picture of a gun?

https://i.imgur.com/zRtdMP6.png

>_>

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