Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1359

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CaptainOfCrush
05/09/20 10:31:16 PM
#352:


MechanicalWall posted...
That was certainly the consensus precontest though
It had the plurality of Gurus, but not quite the majority. 53% of the Gurus had something other than Skyrim in the finals, and for many of the 47% of us who did, we weren't exactly awash with confidence. For example, I went with Skyrim, but Skyrim/Witcher was my most debated decision of the bracket.

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MechanicalWall
05/09/20 10:31:32 PM
#353:


The Skyrim v Dark Souls match is the Dark Souls of this contest's quarterfinals

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ninkendo
05/09/20 10:32:38 PM
#354:


gosh darn you skyrim

lead is almost to 100 now

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CaptainOfCrush
05/09/20 10:33:15 PM
#355:


If I had to replay the two, I might honestly prefer Demon's Souls over Dark. I'm sure being a PS3 exclusive kept it from achieving more respect and reverence.

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ZeldaTPLink
05/09/20 10:33:53 PM
#356:


Yeah I have to agree Skryrim is influential. Maybe the most influential game in the bracket. It started the open world craze.

Maybe it got surpassed by BotW and Witcher 3 but it has a rightful position in gaming history.
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transience
05/09/20 10:34:34 PM
#357:


I'll be interested to hear what people who thought Dark Souls > Persona 5 think about the semifinal match. there sure has been a lot of talk here about how Witcher was a lock for the finals.

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INTERWEBUSER
05/09/20 10:35:16 PM
#358:


LamarJackson posted...
But Skyrim has far more influence on the mainstream AAA space with every game becoming big open world and trying to emulate Skyrim.
this.

this site just prefers botw more because it has a nintendo logo on it.

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LamarJackson
05/09/20 10:36:04 PM
#359:


Sharinnegan posted...
Dark Souls is used as a point of reference so often that it literally became a meme to see things being compared to it in reviews.

"this is like dark souls" "that game is the dark souls of xxxx" "it feels like dark souls".

Skyrim had that going for a while ("skyrim with guns" etc) but it died down fairly quickly. DS is still maybe the single game used most often by mainstream gaming media to describe other games.

Depends on what you mean by influential, I guess. Like there are a ton of niche action games that are "soul clones", but how many of them are selling 10-20 million copies like the games that Skyrim influenced? Skyrim is much more influential on the big scale than Souls was.

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CSplitter
05/09/20 10:36:39 PM
#360:


INTERWEBUSER posted...
this.

this site just prefers botw more because it has a nintendo logo on it.

Isn't it astonishing how different communities like different things?

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CaptainOfCrush
05/09/20 10:38:01 PM
#361:


transience posted...
there sure has been a lot of talk here about how Witcher was a lock for the finals.
At this point, I think we're all just certain in Witcher's impressive SFF ability. I have no idea if it could even eclipse Skyrim's 60% against Pokemon.

Basically, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Skyrim and Witcher both fare about equally against the formidable Nintendo/Square stuff, but Witcher's ability to soul-snatch every other Western game puts it clearly higher on the overall totem pole than Skyrim.

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Leonhart4
05/09/20 10:39:39 PM
#362:


Yeah, if Witcher 3 weren't showing such dominance against western competition exclusively, there might be more debate about the semifinal.

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Mac Arrowny
05/09/20 10:39:52 PM
#363:


transcience posted...


this is an extreme case, but remember that Smash/Mario series match? it looks worse after Brawl releases than before. hype is a weird thing.


You sure Mario beats Smash in a new series contest?
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The Owner of FF9
05/09/20 10:40:29 PM
#364:


Skyrim vs DS is THE match of the contest, IMO. both games so incredibly influential

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Leonhart4
05/09/20 10:42:22 PM
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Team Rocket Elite
05/09/20 10:42:23 PM
#366:


I have little respect for HGSS's strength so Witcher 3's result on SMG2 looked a lot better than Skyrim's on HGSS to me. So I wouldn't say I would expect similar results on Japanese games from Skyrim and Witcher 3.
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CaptainOfCrush
05/09/20 10:43:39 PM
#367:


Also, Witcher is flying high now while Skyrim could still easily lose this. Even if Dark Souls is the stronger of today's losing games, I still think Witcher is flexing with a performance that's stronger than Skyrim's on any account.

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Sharinnegan
05/09/20 10:46:30 PM
#368:


LamarJackson posted...
Depends on what you mean by influential, I guess. Like there are a ton of niche action games that are "soul clones", but how many of them are selling 10-20 million copies like the games that Skyrim influenced? Skyrim is much more influential on the big scale than Souls was.

i'm not talking about souls clones

Dark souls is used as a point of reference EVERYWHERE. we've seen crash bandicoot and a golf game compared to dark souls in reviews and promotional material. we've seen Elon musk tweeting that "Twitter is the Dark Souls of social media". its literally everywhere.

Skyrim sold a lot more. but Dark Souls has had far more influence in game design. you'll find games that ssemingly are nothing like dark souls where the dev has said it was influenced by dark souls (one random example being Journey)
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MechanicalWall
05/09/20 10:46:50 PM
#369:


Even if Dark Souls > P5 (which I don't necessarily buy anyway, the Persona series has looked VERY good, especially after the Xenoblade Smash match), there isn't exactly a lot of space between Dark Souls and Skyrim for Witcher to slide into anyway.

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transience
05/09/20 10:49:15 PM
#370:


that "Witcher SFFs western games" thing is a little unfair - Skyrim's gotten Mario Kart, Pokemon and Dark Souls the last 3 rounds.

I do think Witcher has Skyrim's number, but that one's an actual honest to god SFF match as opposed to whatever we're calling God of War and Assassin's Creed. if it's Dark Souls here, I'm not sure.

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CaptainOfCrush
05/09/20 10:49:50 PM
#371:


Sharinnegan posted...
Skyrim sold a lot more. but Dark Souls has had far more influence in game design. you'll find games that ssemingly are nothing like dark souls where the dev has said it was influenced by dark souls (one random example being Journey)
I'm sure some of these blowhards are just pandering.

Contrast that to that one (amazing) time Miyamoto was asked if Ratchet and Clank influenced Mario Galaxy's development.

"I've never heard of that game, I'm sure it's cute I guess"

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_SecretSquirrel
05/09/20 10:52:09 PM
#372:


DS vs. Skyrim sure could be a legendary bout, especially with pretty much identical trends coming out of the power hour.

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The Owner of FF9
05/09/20 10:53:31 PM
#373:


BTW Witcher, could you just hold riiiiiiiiight about there, that'd be great

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MechanicalWall
05/09/20 10:55:08 PM
#374:


CaptainOfCrush posted...
Contrast that to that one (amazing) time Miyamoto was asked if Ratchet and Clank influenced Mario Galaxy's development.

"I've never heard of that game, I'm sure it's cute I guess"
Whaaaaaaaaaaat

How have I never heard this before

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_SecretSquirrel
05/09/20 10:57:13 PM
#375:


Leonhart4 posted...
Yeah, if Witcher 3 weren't showing such dominance against western competition exclusively, there might be more debate about the semifinal.
I still say Skyrim might have a shot at a direct match up. Skyrim's only western opponent thus far is Subnautica, so it's not really getting the chance to show if it could do the same to other Western RPGs.

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DoctorJimmy133
05/09/20 11:01:22 PM
#376:


_SecretSquirrel posted...
I still say Skyrim might have a shot at a direct match up. Skyrim's only western opponent thus far is Subnautica, so it's not really getting the chance to show if it could do the same to other Western RPGs.
Journey was US-developed, but both it and Subnautica are indies so it could totally be exempt if the SFF only applies to big publishers.

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Mac Arrowny
05/09/20 11:02:04 PM
#377:


MechanicalWall posted...

Whaaaaaaaaaaat

How have I never heard this before


https://www.destructoid.com/miyamoto-doesn-t-know-what-ratchet-and-clank-is-that-s-a-man-up-on-his-games-59517.phtml
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ShortReplies
05/09/20 11:03:07 PM
#378:


It can be argued that Dark Souls is more western as well.
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CaptainOfCrush
05/09/20 11:03:21 PM
#379:


MechanicalWall posted...
Whaaaaaaaaaaat

How have I never heard this before

https://www.engadget.com/2007-12-15-miyamoto-claims-hes-never-heard-of-ratchet-and-clank.html

When asked his thought's on Schneider's comment, Miyamoto

said, "I'm sorry, but I have to admit that I've never seen the game in question. Is it a PC game?"

edit: Mac'D!

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MechanicalWall
05/09/20 11:09:24 PM
#380:


That's funny because I never got R&C vibes from Galaxy, but I DID get Galaxy vibes from R&C A Crack in Time specifically. The little planetoids in that are very reminiscent of Galaxy's level design.

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HaRRicH
05/09/20 11:10:17 PM
#381:


It's that Miyamoto shade bro.

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DoctorJimmy133
05/09/20 11:24:03 PM
#382:


The Dark Souls "rally" got removed. Probably because it didn't even link to the damn contest.

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lordjers
05/09/20 11:26:59 PM
#383:


The only time I've heard a game is like Dark Souls is when it's hard.

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lordjers
05/09/20 11:28:18 PM
#384:


BTW has Battletoads ever been in a contest?

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tgs2
05/09/20 11:29:20 PM
#385:


Witcher right now doesn't feel like the clear #2 game though Smash running into SFF will make it look that way. If it keeps rising then maybe. I would take Odyssey over P5 and there is more than enough space there for Smash > Witcher.
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Team Rocket Elite
05/09/20 11:31:49 PM
#386:


lordjers posted...
BTW has Battletoads ever been in a contest?


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3452-division-2-round-1-battletoads-ff1-pop-smw
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_SecretSquirrel
05/09/20 11:32:31 PM
#387:


lordjers posted...
BTW has Battletoads ever been in a contest?

https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Battletoads_vs_Final_Fantasy_vs_Prince_of_Persia_vs_Super_Mario_World_2009

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Giggsalot
05/09/20 11:32:47 PM
#388:


skyrim has just doubled its lead in the last 15 minutes, if DS doesn't bounce back immediately I think this one might be done

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MechanicalWall
05/09/20 11:34:18 PM
#389:


Before the contest started I thought Smash would be the clear #2, but now... that Xenoblade result was deeply unimpressive unless there was ZERO SFF involved, and even than that only puts Smash 9 points over P4. Meanwhile Witcher is running 4 points ahead and counting on P5.

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lordjers
05/09/20 11:34:27 PM
#390:


Team Rocket Elite posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3452-division-2-round-1-battletoads-ff1-pop-smw

Not bad! Considering what it was up against, all 4 stellar games, but holy hell what did they do to Prince?

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Sharinnegan
05/09/20 11:34:52 PM
#391:


Smash's performance on xenoblade is what throws a wrench on all of it

from past stats of RDR1 and 2, Persona 5 seems to be a good 10% ahead of P4, which would put it right around the same performance that Smash got on XB.
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_SecretSquirrel
05/09/20 11:35:24 PM
#392:


lordjers posted...
Not bad! Considering what it was up against, all 4 stellar games, but holy hell what did they do to Prince?
A lot of people, especially on console heavy GameFAQs, didn't even know Prince of Persia existed prior to the PS2 era.

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LamarJackson
05/09/20 11:36:42 PM
#393:


DoctorJimmy133 posted...
The Dark Souls "rally" got removed. Probably because it didn't even link to the damn contest.

And yet it seems to have fallen off a cliff since it got removed.

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lordjers
05/09/20 11:39:16 PM
#394:


_SecretSquirrel posted...
A lot of people, especially on console heavy GameFAQs, didn't even know Prince of Persia existed prior to the PS2 era.

Yeah... and I've seen some others that consider the first trilogy like it's a long hidden bastard child, totally shameful I tell you.

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LamarJackson
05/09/20 11:42:03 PM
#395:


https://i.imgur.com/dxEg9uS.jpg

back in those days, it was about a white guy going around killing Arabs though. It almost became a new series once Ubisoft took it over.

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lordjers
05/09/20 11:42:27 PM
#396:


And Skyrim gets past the 200 barrier.

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MechanicalWall
05/09/20 11:44:20 PM
#397:


LamarJackson posted...
back in those days, it was about a white guy going around killing Arabs though. It almost became a new series once Ubisoft took it over.
Smh SJWs ruining another series by making the prince of Persia look like the prince of Persia

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lordjers
05/09/20 11:44:59 PM
#398:


LamarJackson posted...
back in those days, it was about a white guy going around killing Arabs though. It almost became a new series once Ubisoft took it over.

That's Luke Skywalker killing evil arabs for you.

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MetalmindStats
05/09/20 11:52:20 PM
#399:


LamarJackson posted...
And yet it seems to have fallen off a cliff since it got removed.
That rally was at a whopping 5 upvotes upon being removed, so I'm not convinced it made any difference at all. I'm guessing this is mostly just natural trends, with a spattering of the bounce from Persona 5's modest rallies wearing off.

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HaRRicH
05/10/20 12:01:02 AM
#400:


For those who were talking about Metroid Prime or Skyrim falling off:

Dark Souls VS Metroid Prime, who you got?

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MithosLowell
05/10/20 12:06:38 AM
#401:


HaRRicH posted...
For those who were talking about Metroid Prime or Skyrim falling off:

Dark Souls VS Metroid Prime, who you got?

with the nintendo boost and a longing desire for a new metroid prime would Beast this contest. Only BOTW could stop it

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