Board 8 > Coronavirus topic 7: Biohazard

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Got my ass laughed at by some dudes working on their car for wearing a mask to pick up food lol. = (

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Oh and hey wolf kept our area red phase despite our entire area falling in yellow criteria. People gonna flip about that one.

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Finally bought a mask online. Hope it comes before my dumb state calls me back to work.

I bought 5 masks online 2 weeks ago. Haven't even shipped yet. FF7R finally shipped today after 16 days waiting for it to ship.

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the netherlands drops from #14 to #15 on the list of countries with the most cases, as peru passes it. the amount of new cases per day hasn't been in the quadruple digits for about a week now.

sports clubs are open again (the covid measures still apply, though).

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Interest poll results on our site today, less than 3% votes for having the disease or even knowing others that have it. I, too, can name maybe ten people at most who had it that I know personally.

Didnt the stats say 90% of people will have this? Maybe Im misremembering.

Moonroof posted...

Interest poll results on our site today, less than 3% votes for having the disease or even knowing others that have it. I, too, can name maybe ten people at most who had it that I know personally.

Didnt the stats say 90% of people will have this? Maybe Im misremembering.

70-90% of the world will get it before it is done most experts think. I know no one personally who has it myself. But, that means nothing.


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For those interested in the list of countries Lasa is referring to...

https://youtu.be/NMre6IAAAiU

USA
Spain
Italy
UK
France
Germany
Russia
Turkey
Iran
Brazil
China
Canada
Belgium
Peru
Netherlands


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Corrik7 posted...

70-90% of the world will get it before it is done most experts think. I know no one personally who has it myself. But, that means nothing.

You think so? Its been around for six or so months, and now things have died down enough to the point that places are opening back up. What percent of people have had it so far?

Moonroof posted...

You think so? Its been around for six or so months, and now things have died down enough to the point that places are opening back up. What percent of people have had it so far?

70-90% is if a vaccine never comes out, moon. And that could be over 20 years with lockdowns.

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So theyre talking about over a persons lifetime, essentially (if a vaccine never comes out, not 20 years)?

If so, there is a massive knowledge / communication gap because when most people hear 90% of people will get it, theyre thinking from this first wave.

Are people earnestly arguing that we should be in lockdown for 20 years if thats how long it takes for a vaccine to come out?

Moonroof posted...

So theyre talking about over a persons lifetime, essentially (if a vaccine never comes out, not 20 years)?

If so, there is a massive knowledge / communication gap because when most people hear 90% of people will get it, theyre thinking from this first wave.

It would be a lot faster than 20 years if no lockdowns. Lockdowns would in theory spread it out over 20 years by estimation. Lockdowns are supposed to keep numbers down and under breaking points until a vaccine is made.

The 70-90% mark would be hit in a couple years or so by my estimation if left unchecked.

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Moonroof posted...

Are people earnestly arguing that we should be in lockdown for 20 years if thats how long it takes for a vaccine to come out?

Yes and no.

They have all their eggs in the basket for a vaccine in a year or two. They don't realize if a vaccine doesn't happen they would last this long. (Assuming antibodies don't last forever).

However, confidence on a vaccine is relatively high and expected to be relatively quicker to develop than the usual 10-20 years they usually take.

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Interesting. Seems crazy to me, but I know how offensive an opinion that is.

Moonroof posted...

Interesting. Seems crazy to me, but I know how offensive an opinion that is.

I dont think lets lockdown for 20 years is a real position people have, its more like an openness to the idea of locking down again for some time if/when theres another wave of infections.
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Well, yeah, it wouldn't be a continuous lockdown. Off and on again repeatedly.

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chances are you have it, or have had it (this thing was around since end of last year), or will get it and everyone you know or will ever know will have had it

just live you life assuming the above and stop dreaming of a vaccine because there isn't going to be one just like there isn't one for SARS

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I'm really sick of people trying to peddle this dumb "let the young and healthy do what they want" mentality as if the young and healthy are at all isolated from those at risk.

Its basically "let the young and healthy murder those that arent".

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so have we reached the peak yet?

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As a country total likely yes but that is backed almost entirely on the New York area and their population size.

Breaking it down into smaller regions some places have reached peak and others have not.

There are few areas that have gotten the curve through a significant downswing however, which is where phased reopening actually should begin.

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yeah this is a region by region question.
and i don't even trust NY for that matter considering you don't escalate if you think things are better.


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Noticed the other day that our safety boss at work, who spent months telling me how this is just the flu and people were freaking out for no reason, wears his mask under his nose. Lol.

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I went to Home Depot today and two employees were telling a very Karen looking woman that she couldn't take her mask off in the store (they had a screener at the door so I'm assuming she had it on then took it off as soon as she got inside).

Both of those guys were wearing bandanas for masks which isn't an issue but neither one of them had them covering their nose.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/03/health/coronavirus-vaccine-never-developed-intl/index.html

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I mean, there's a reason many other groups are working on treatment options. At worst it gives us time to develop a cure while minimizing deaths while at best it becomes the de-facto procedure to deal with the virus.

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"A total of 373 employees and contract workers at Triumph Foods, a pork processing plant in Buchanan County, Missouri, have tested positive for coronavirus despite showing no related symptoms, according to a press release from the Department of Health and Senior Services."

373 employees test positive and none of them have symptoms? Hmmm


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the netherlands drops another spot on the list of countries with the most cases, from #15 to #16. india takes the #15 spot.

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Nice Lasa.

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Social distancing fatigue is starting to penetrate my inner circle. My coworker (a strict follower of social distancing) admitted to an extended family get together this weekend. My mother called and is trying to get me to come over for Mother's Day (havent seen her since stay at home order in place, she's also been a strict follower supposedly).

The nice weather this weekend didn't help. I myself am starting to break down a bit on my hardnose stay at home stance. I mean, what's a little get together gonna hurt? Surely they have a much better chance of getting infected at a grocery store than by a small family visit?

And let's be honest, this isn't going away until a vaccine comes out. If people are already experiencing quarantine fatigue now, just wait until the summer fully kicks in.

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Corrik7 posted...

"A total of 373 employees and contract workers at Triumph Foods, a pork processing plant in Buchanan County, Missouri, have tested positive for coronavirus despite showing no related symptoms, according to a press release from the Department of Health and Senior Services."

373 employees test positive and none of them have symptoms? Hmmm

There are a couple food processing plants in our state that have had coronavirus breakouts. My sister used to live near one where she taught Spanish speaking students. A lot of their parents were illegal immigrants who worked at one of the plants. I can imagine this would add an extra layer of complexity to the situation, as they may be more hesitant to seek healthcare, or even stay home when sick.

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My first week back to work and of course its the week that the first person in my lab tests positive ughhhhhhhh

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guffguy89 posted...

Social distancing fatigue is starting to penetrate my inner circle. My coworker (a strict follower of social distancing) admitted to an extended family get together this weekend. My mother called and is trying to get me to come over for Mother's Day (havent seen her since stay at home order in place, she's also been a strict follower supposedly).

The nice weather this weekend didn't help. I myself am starting to break down a bit on my hardnose stay at home stance. I mean, what's a little get together gonna hurt? Surely they have a much better chance of getting infected at a grocery store than by a small family visit?

And let's be honest, this isn't going away until a vaccine comes out. If people are already experiencing quarantine fatigue now, just wait until the summer fully kicks in.

Yup, the current situation is not sustainable, not unless the death count suddenly massively soars by thousands a day (which no one wants to happen). Like you said, warm weather is going to force states to loosen things up, whether they really want to or not.

The crazy thing is, of course they're more likely to get sick from an intimate family gathering! Contrast to a grocery run where most people are wearing masks and trying to stay the heck away from everyone else.

Just think how shitty you would feel if you went to a family gathering, only to feel sick a day or two later. Turns out you were asymptomatic at the gathering, and while hugging everyone before leaving, managed to pass the disease to your parents and grandparents. And then 2 weeks later one of them dies.

I know, I know, awful hypothetical situation and all that but still. It weighs on my mind, even though I know eventually things will have to get back to normal.

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Florida beaches.



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guffguy89 posted...

There are a couple food processing plants in our state that have had coronavirus breakouts. My sister used to live near one where she taught Spanish speaking students. A lot of their parents were illegal immigrants who worked at one of the plants. I can imagine this would add an extra layer of complexity to the situation, as they may be more hesitant to seek healthcare, or even stay home when sick.

The key point was that every single one was asymptomatic.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Florida beaches.

Oh boy, time for another wave of idiots to act like these people are representative of all Americans.

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Corrik7 posted...

The key point was that every single one was asymptomatic.

"Asymptomatic"

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charmander6000 posted...

"Asymptomatic"

?

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Are there people here who seriously thought the current guidelines would be sustainable for what, the rest of the year or something? Help me out here.

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redrocket posted...

Are there people here who seriously thought the current guidelines would be sustainable for what, the rest of the year or something? Help me out here.

I mean... Yeah?

The government is about to probably 180 on their stance. But, people were expecting this unemployment thing to keep getting extended over and over. Lockdowns to stay into effect. Etc etc

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/health/france-coronavirus-december-death-intl/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/23/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

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At least through summer I imagine.
Never realistic there, basically. We're mostly opened up by July, one way or another. Whether it's because people wanna go shopping, go outside, meet people, or whatever else, rules are steadily getting broken and it ain't the protestors, it's the silent majority.

They'll still oppose opening everything up.
But they'll break the rules too. Which, if you just look at the mask practices, was a given.

NYC has also had an influx of people outside, Wendy's is packed. Most people are wearing masks but a good chunk being dumb or silly with them. Cops have been enforcing more technically but after yesterday even THAT is going to get pushback because one had the brilliant idea to be an asshole and swing at a guy, take him down, with it all on tape. He's on desk duty now. Incoming settlement there and it takes just one to get protests. Especially with a very testy populace.

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Kinglicious posted...

They'll still oppose opening everything up.
But they'll break the rules too. Which, if you just look at the mask practices, was a given.

Completely agreed. There were a few polls conducted that demonstrated a solid majority (70%+) support social distancing guidelines and have great hesitation in socializing like normal. It's just that it seems in practice a lot of people figure it doesn't really need to apply to them specifically and they're betting on others to follow guidelines to make their own breach less of a problem.

Honestly it leaves me despairing with little more to go on or hope for than I really fucking hope the lower IFR estimates are right, that there's some kind of selective pressure making it less dangerous over time and that simple things like vitamin D really are making a huge difference.

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Esuriat posted...

Completely agreed. There were a few polls conducted that demonstrated a solid majority (70%+) support social distancing guidelines and have great hesitation in socializing like normal. It's just that it seems in practice a lot of people figure it doesn't really need to apply to them specifically and they're betting on others to follow guidelines to make their own breach less of a problem.

This is one of the arguments people who have been violating the stay at home order since day 1 have been making. I initially looked at those people with shock. Like, how could they be so irresponsible, selfish, and careless? But a month has gone by and despite them seeing everyone and going everywhere, they never got the virus nor have anyone they've known. Obviously, this is just a short sample size of the people I know personally that have been breaking the stay at home order, but the longer this goes on, it's creating a false sense of security in people who are following the orders. If my friend isnt getting the virus by going to see his family and friends every other day, what are the chances I'd get the virus if I go see someone once?

The other new argument that's coming up is how long are we suppose to avoid our older relatives? Until a vaccine? Am i not supposed to physically see my mom for a year or two? Is that really the only responsible approach? If you say, "after the stay at home order is lifted, you can see her" or "wait a few more months and you can see her." Well, the coronavirus will still be around at that point, so I have as much chance of giving it to her now as I would giving it to her later. Until we both get vaccinated.

I just feel like I'm slowly turning to the other side on this. Every day they seem to be the more reasonable and my own the less reasonable.

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I was strong for lockdowns, but I broke guidelines yesterday. Everyone around me has basically fallen along the wayside regarding them and acted like 6 weeks of watching my fiancee do shit and her kid go back and forth from households and everywhere and etc. I was just like it's pointless. If I am gonna get it I am gonna get it at this point because of either work or my household members anyways.

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guffguy89 posted...

Am i not supposed to physically see my mom for a year or two? Is that really the only responsible

No, thats crazy.

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Corrik7 posted...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/health/france-coronavirus-december-death-intl/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/23/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

thats interesting. There was a big outbreak of bronchitis and pneumonia in my lab in January with a few people saying they lost their sense of smell/taste. Now I really wanna get antibody tested


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To me knowledge, I don't know of any other thing that causes loss of smell or taste besides this.

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I guess maybe the ambulance ride I took for shortness of breath may have not been a panic attack then haaaaaaaaaaaaa

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