Board 8 > Coronavirus topic 7: Biohazard

(+) Yeah! (+)

nonononono

i mean
it's effective yes

but fucking no.
that's a horrifying idea and should be killed before any attempt is possibly made.
don't make mini-camps, of any kind, ever.

---

LordoftheMorons posted...

We probably have too much volume to do this now, but isolating infected people who don't live at home in, e.g., converted hotels is probably a very good idea (and is quite possibly a significant component of the success of Asian countries' responses):

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/28/21238456/centralized-isolation-coronavirus-hong-kong-korea

You could even make it voluntary; I'm guessing a pretty high fraction of people would do so to protect the people they live with.

Disagree. A lot of talk of whether viral load leads to more significant symptoms.

Unless you mean like homeless people themselves. In which case, I believe states have alrdy been doing this

---

it's effective, it just leads to a horrible future of literal death camps.


---

I'm going to post a picture one day of my hair covering my entire face.

My hair is a big mess right now.

---

I havent gotten a haircut since before I got knocked up. Every day I get closer and closer to my pair of scissors but then I hear my hair dresser in my head screaming STOP FUCKING CUTTING YOUR OWN BANGS and it stops me

---

Im definitely a few weeks past really needing a haircut

Im probably a few weeks away from daring to do it myself, though

---

On another note a bunch of urgent cares on southern mass have the antibody tests for whoever wants em so I might try to check it out for shits and giggles

---

Ryokles posted...

On another note a bunch of urgent cares on southern mass have the antibody tests for whoever wants em so I might try to check it out for shits and giggles

Only a few of the antibody tests are accurate. Know which one you are using before you do it.

---

so are people starting to worry about coronavirus less?

---

No. If anything anxiety is up because people are looking at prospects of having to go back to work without proper safety measures in place.

---

Why is it only in united states of dumbasses they have protests?

---

At least we arent setting fire to 5g towers yet.

---

---

Yuri_LowelI posted...

Why is it only in united states of dumbasses they have protests?

I know Germany's been having a few protests, and their biggest one yet happened last weekend.

---

SuperNiceDog posted...

so are people starting to worry about coronavirus less?

in the sense that there's a better idea of what we're facing, sure.
also in the sense that hospitals and medicine should be getting topped off with the ability to rapidly get more if need be, meaning the biggest crisis - the collapse of the healthcare system - is likely over.

the big issue realistically is just the infection rate. like mortality and hospitalizations may be significantly lower than expected but why, i don't know. turns out that yeah, it actually does resemble the flu on these numbers far, far more than not. also turns out it's far more contagious so even if the % is similar the raw numbers are gonna be significant.

---

Mayaah Mahdy Wash agrees with Govenah Baykah that we will not reopen on May 4th

we need those antibody tests

I just know 90% of the people in Boston has got it because nobody fucking practices social distancing at grocery stores

---

GranzonEx posted...

I just know 90% of the people in Boston has got it because nobody fucking practices social distancing at grocery stores

If this happened you should open up already.

This didn't happen and antibody tests aren't reliable yet.

maybe people living in the suburbs are better but the grocery stores in the metro area has people bringing their kids stuffing the aisles and they fucking run around you when you're at the self checkout

---

as someone who has been around the suburbs and Boston I can assure you they suck everywhere

went to roche brothers in Quincy and watched people lifting their masks to drink dunkies and hanging around in aisles

---

Suburbs and rural areas are worse, virtually without exception, with following social distancing.

In better news, NIAID through Fauci is saying they are pleased with the results of their remdesivir trial so that's a nice update from the last trial preview out of China that declared it useless.

---

Also, on the ongoing saga regarding reinfection/reactivation potential: https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200429007051320

---

Im surprised SC delayed things till May 12th. Hopefully theyll keep it delayed till June, but our governor said the economy should be getting back to normal by June.

Ryokles posted...

as someone who has been around the suburbs and Boston I can assure you they suck everywhere

went to roche brothers in Quincy and watched people lifting their masks to drink dunkies and hanging around in aisles

can confirm that's the case in NYC.
like at any given moment, if i see 5 people wearing a mask, at least 1 is doing something wrong like drinking something, eating something, smoking, or on their cell.

---

Ryokles posted...

as someone who has been around the suburbs and Boston I can assure you they suck everywhere

went to roche brothers in Quincy and watched people lifting their masks to drink dunkies and hanging around in aisles

I've seen a lot of people walking around wearing a face mask but have it hanging below their nose

and a lot of people are starting to hang out at the parks like Boston Common and near the Charles now that the weather is getting warmer

---

Leafeon13N posted...

If this happened you should open up already.

This didn't happen and antibody tests aren't reliable yet.

2 antibody tests were deemed extremely reliable. One had one false positive out of 108 samples. The other had 0.

Having less than 2% false positives is considered reliable.

---

Severe and critical in the US just jumped from 15000 to over 19000 since yesterday. That's a huge jump.

---

Corrik7 posted...

Severe and critical in the US just jumped from 15000 to over 19000 since yesterday. That's a huge jump.

I wonder what could have led to this...

Inb4 red blames loosening of restrictions from less than a week ago on a jump that would be from infections multiple weeks ago.

---

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-numbers-new-cases-2020-n1157271

So anyways, if you look at the daily chart of confirmed cases. You see the major leak around April 10th ish. A small subside then another twin peak like a week later.

We are likely at the first peak right now for those in severe and critical right now. We know usually around 2-3 weeks is when things degrade to the point of ICUs normally.

It is possible we are at the second twin peak, but it is likelier the the first. Which begs to question how in the world the covid projections had our peak deaths at like 2 weeks ago.

---

Of course this leaves out testing capabilities coming online and catching cases that would have come back on earlier. If the death peak remains accurate then we know that these confirmed cases charts are pointless because it just lacks a lot of cases due to under testing.

---

GranzonEx posted...

I've seen a lot of people walking around wearing a face mask but have it hanging below their nose

and a lot of people are starting to hang out at the parks like Boston Common and near the Charles now that the weather is getting warmer

theres one guy who walks by my apartment EVERY DAY with his mask under his nose and its getting me increasingly angrier every time I see him

---

i don't even get the logic of that one.
do they think you wear a mask without covering your nose or something?

---

Corrik7 posted...

Inb4 red blames loosening of restrictions from less than a week ago on a jump that would be from infections multiple weeks ago.

We just happen to be 10 or so days from all the white supremacist rallies that spring up across the nation.

Wanglicious posted...

i don't even get the logic of that one.
do they think you wear a mask without covering your nose or something?

We know from a long history of airplane safety studies this is in fact the case.

Wanglicious posted...

i don't even get the logic of that one.
do they think you wear a mask without covering your nose or something?

"Wear a mask" to too many people either means fashion accessory or a mask has to be somewhere on my head.

The general public simply does not understand how to use, wear, and dispose of a mask. And it's not really their fault because there's never been a need and no one ever taught them.

The way most people are using them makes them essentially useless. But people don't understand that and then think they're invincible and don't have to care as much about social distancing because "I'm wearing a mask".

---

Leafeon13N posted...

We just happen to be 10 or so days from all the white supremacist rallies that spring up across the nation.

Doesn't make sense, red. Also, "white supremacist rallies" is purposeful misinformation.

---

https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1255302275821690882?s=20

Not sure if true, but I did run across this today.

---

Corrik7 posted...

Also, "white supremacist rallies" is purposeful misinformation.

really? Because it seems more on-point than "liberate protest".

---

red13n posted...

really? Because it seems more on-point than "liberate protest".

Yes, it is purposeful misinformation. We get it. You are a liberal and everything you dislike is racism. But, it doesn't change the fact you are purposely mislabeling it.

---

purposefully mislabeling it was what they were doing it in the first place.

---

Corrik7 posted...

It is possible we are at the second twin peak, but it is likelier the the first. Which begs to question how in the world the covid projections had our peak deaths at like 2 weeks ago.

My suspicion is that many of the rosier models weighted Chinese data, which is very likely total horseshit, too highly.

---

Corrik youve got protests out here that are literally organized by Proud Boys where the leader will talk to the crowd. They were calling protests Black Lives Matter protests and referring to it as an organization when people there in those were just wearing the shirts.

PerfectChaosZ posted...

Corrik youve got protests out here that are literally organized by Proud Boys where the leader will talk to the crowd. They were calling protests Black Lives Matter protests and referring to it as an organization when people there in those were just wearing the shirts!

That's possible. That is not indicative of the reopening protests across the states. Red has provided a narrative in which is false though.


---

Theyve had a blank check to call literally any protest ANTIFA but when there are literally white supremacists organizing and speaking at these protests no one can say its a white nationalist thing? How far does it have to go?

Corrik7 posted...

2 antibody tests were deemed extremely reliable. One had one false positive out of 108 samples. The other had 0.

Having less than 2% false positives is considered reliable.

With so few samples you can't reliably say that the rate is that low. If the first test actually did have a false positive rate of 2%, for example, and you checked 108 known negatives, you would have a 36% chance of finding only 0 or 1 false positive.

---

PerfectChaosZ posted...

Theyve had a blank check to call literally any protest ANTIFA but when there are literally white supremacists organizing and speaking at these protests no one can say its a white nationalist thing? How far does it have to go?

1. It was said "white supremacist".
2. He said all the reopening protests were "white supremacists rallies".

I don't think you are in the stratosphere of arguing the same thing here.

If hundreds of women's Marchs happen and a white supremacist women's march happens also.

Yeah, I think calling the womens marches white supremacist rallies are hella a mislabel and purposeful misinformation. And, pointing to a rally to say look at it! Totally white supremacists to talk about the whole is ridiculous.

He knows what he was doing there.

---

LordoftheMorons posted...

With so few samples you can't reliably say that the rate is that low. If the first test actually did have a false positive rate of 2%, for example, and you checked 108 known negatives, you would have a 36% chance of finding only 0 or 1 false positive.

Yeah.

Ignore the sensationalist CNN headline to spread fear for the click.

https://www.bing.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/28/health/coronavirus-antibody-tests-terrible/index.html

A lot of the tests are unreliable. And it is why I said to know what test you are using. However the Sinai one did well (and CNN conveniently doesn't name the one that did the best).

These of course aren't the supposedly more reliable Roche and Abbott tests either.

So, grain of salt, but to dismiss all antibody tests outright as unreliable when we see some good results isn't a good idea.

---

Corrik7 posted...

Yeah.

Ignore the sensationalist CNN headline to spread fear for the click.

https://www.bing.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/28/health/coronavirus-antibody-tests-terrible/index.html

A lot of the tests are unreliable. And it is why I said to know what test you are using. However the Sinai one did well (and CNN conveniently doesn't name the one that did the best).

These of course aren't the supposedly more reliable Roche and Abbott tests either.

So, grain of salt, but to dismiss all antibody tests outright as unreliable when we see some good results isn't a good idea.

To clarify my opinion isn't that they all suck or are useless; it's just that even the best ones appear to have a false positive rate that isn't negligible for many of the purposes for which people want to use them (like finding out population-wide prevalence, or determining if someone who has never had symptoms is immune). And that's basically just a result of conditional probability: unless the false positive rate is significantly lower than the fraction of the population that's actually had the disease, a very significant fraction of the positives you see will be false positives, even if the absolute rate of false positives is something you would think of as low.

---