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Smashingpmkns
03/11/20 5:12:42 PM
#253:


I don't think you know much about Joe Biden.
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MaxEffingBemis
03/11/20 5:15:22 PM
#254:


I dont think Broseph knows anything, which makes me wonder why we keep engaging with him

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sktgamer_13dude
03/11/20 5:16:02 PM
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MarqueeSeries
03/11/20 5:16:35 PM
#256:


shockthemonkey posted...
Balrog0 posted...
the most important thing is for his supporters to be honest and thoughtful about what went wrong with his campaign so that they can take those lessons and do better at organizing for the next one
Exactly. Lets start getting those donations and support in for down ticket progressives rather than relying solely on one man to change the entire political landscape.

Definitely

Progressives starting from the bottom up would actually be far better than putting one guy at the top

Bernie getting the presidency was always going to be a relatively small victory, but by the same token, Biden getting it isn't a complete death blow to progressivism
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Broseph_Stalin
03/11/20 5:16:39 PM
#257:


MaxEffingBemis posted...
I dont think Broseph knows anything, which makes me wonder why we keep engaging with him

if you had self-awareness you probably wouldn't be saying this to the one guy itt who's been right the whole time but, alas
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Malfunction
03/11/20 5:16:43 PM
#258:


The success of the Independent Group for Change and the People's Vote campaign in the UK sets the roadmap for Bidens crushing success
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Smashingpmkns
03/11/20 5:17:08 PM
#259:


MaxEffingBemis posted...
I dont think Broseph knows anything, which makes me wonder why we keep engaging with him


U right. My b.
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Balrog0
03/11/20 5:18:04 PM
#260:


Malfunction posted...
The success of the Independent Group for Change and the People's Vote campaign in the UK sets the roadmap for Bidens crushing success

what about all the moderate dems that won house seats in 2018?

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Malfunction
03/11/20 5:18:41 PM
#261:


Whoosh
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Balrog0
03/11/20 5:20:52 PM
#262:


I understood your point, I'm calling your premise into question. Do you have an actual response or is that one of those posts that has no purpose?

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Malfunction
03/11/20 5:22:42 PM
#263:


Balrog0 posted...
I understood
You didn't
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Balrog0
03/11/20 5:23:14 PM
#264:


okay so explain it to me

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Malfunction
03/11/20 5:23:47 PM
#265:


I cba
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Balrog0
03/11/20 5:26:12 PM
#266:


this is what I mean when I say people will try to get meaning vicariously through political movements, it's a pretty obvious tell if you can be engaged enough to troll a message board but not engaged enough to write up a couple sentences about what you think

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LolTownz
03/11/20 5:27:34 PM
#267:


Why would any sane and self-respecting person support a candidate who supports Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, and the Soviet Union?
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Malfunction
03/11/20 5:27:35 PM
#268:


I was indirectly responding to the troll user posting above us and something he said about 50 posts ago, god.
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Antifar
03/11/20 5:29:19 PM
#269:


Make of this what you will
https://twitter.com/steveptweets/status/1237751171915198464?s=21
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Malfunction
03/11/20 5:30:15 PM
#270:


Your 'the stupid proles find meaning in politics as they have nothing else!' post was honestly one of the most eyeroll worthy, condescending fedora tipping things I've ever seen btw. P weird to double down but also feel aggrieved that you accused me of this while I've been posting fairly mild, reasonable takes on plenty of things itt. Sorry I'm not the smart sensible politico you are!
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Malfunction
03/11/20 5:31:03 PM
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Broseph_Stalin
03/11/20 5:32:40 PM
#272:


guys can we ignore broseph he's clearly delusional and only right all the time because of luck.

anyway it's clear the DNC has hurt bernie but I think voters seeing biden in a debate for the first time could really turn things around. bernie has got a killer stump speech on billionaires that no one's heard yet as well. i get all my news from kyle kulinski and russian twitter accounts so trust me i'm really informed on this stuff.
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LolTownz
03/11/20 5:33:19 PM
#273:


Also, if young people are overwhelmingly supporting a candidate...we should consider supporting the opposite candidate. Young people are inexperienced and ignorant of how the world works. They don't know history and have barely even become conscious. Voting age should be raised too.

It's actually a bad thing if young voter turnout massively increases, because you're relying on children to make decisions that affect the future. They are overly susceptible to ideas that sound good on paper, like Marxism, but that are terrible and violent in real life.
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Balrog0
03/11/20 5:33:51 PM
#274:


Malfunction posted...
I was indirectly responding to the troll user posting above us and something he said about 50 posts ago, god.

you brought that shit up after he noted that sanders is getting crushed the way Corbyn did, but there are other things going on in the US that make his comparison make more sense than yours, which is why I asked what I did!

Malfunction posted...
Your 'the stupid proles find meaning in politics as they have nothing else!' post was honestly one of the most eyeroll worthy, condescending fedora tipping things I've ever seen btw. P weird to double down but also feel aggrieved that you accused me of this while I've been posting fairly mild, reasonable takes on plenty of things itt. Sorry I'm not the smart sensible politico you are!

I mean all you need to do is try to back up the things you say, there's no need to be apologetic about it.

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Broseph_Stalin
03/11/20 5:36:21 PM
#275:


why back up the things you say when you can live undisturbed in an online echo chamber where equally uninformed people will agree with you

perhaps corbyn was a little too centrist,
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Balrog0
03/11/20 5:37:33 PM
#276:


it's definitely not 'the proles' that are who I'm referring to just fwiw, it's more a specific group of the petit bourgeois who haven't inherited yet if I had to speculate on their class composition

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ultimate reaver
03/11/20 5:39:01 PM
#277:


nobody respond

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Malfunction
03/11/20 5:39:32 PM
#278:


Balrog0 posted...
things going on in the US that make his comparison make more sense than yours
The comparison is extremely surface and ignores a multitude of things totally particular to UK politics in 2019.

Balrog0 posted...
I mean all you need to do is try to back up the things you say, there's no need to be apologetic about it.
Endlessly condescending liberals after a second Trump win: how could the left do this???
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Balrog0
03/11/20 5:43:14 PM
#279:


Malfunction posted...
The comparison is extremely surface and ignores a multitude of things totally particular to UK politics in 2019.

if you say so

Malfunction posted...
Endlessly condescending liberals after a second Trump win: how could the left do this???

I'm really starting to think you guys are crazy. I voted for and phone banked for Bernie Sanders twice now and my spouse and I have donated at least $1,000 to his campaigns in that time span.

You all are the ones who are being condescending and trying to stifle any kind of conversation that doesn't center the blame on some external source instead of doing some introspection on your own end.

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Malfunction
03/11/20 5:45:03 PM
#281:


Balrog0 posted...
if you say so
What are these American factors that make this not the case?

You all are the ones who are being condescending
Hmmm
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Balrog0
03/11/20 6:00:20 PM
#283:


yeah my apologies @Malfunction I'm just upset at how the primary is shaking out

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Doom_Art
03/11/20 6:36:36 PM
#284:


Balrog0 posted...
You all are the ones who are being condescending and trying to stifle any kind of conversation that doesn't center the blame on some external source instead of doing some introspection on your own end.
this is why i hope his supporters can move beyond this kinda stuff

"bernie didn't actually lose but he was stabbed in the back" or "the establishment or msm is responsible for his campaign failing" removes any sort of introspection and probably holds the movement back

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Frizzurd
03/11/20 7:00:00 PM
#285:


I voted for Hillary last time, I am voting for Trump this time. SORRY!

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wackyteen
03/11/20 7:28:49 PM
#287:


Bernie has asked me for $27

Everyday

Since I gave him $27

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ssjevot
03/11/20 8:25:55 PM
#288:


If this election has shown anything it's that money isn't actually that important in modern elections. I guess Clinton versus Trump was a sign of the new post-money meta. It seems traditional media is the most important now? I don't know, 538 really needs to do some research on this.

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wackyteen
03/11/20 8:45:12 PM
#289:


ssjevot posted...
If this election has shown anything it's that money isn't actually that important in modern elections. I guess Clinton versus Trump was a sign of the new post-money meta. It seems traditional media is the most important now? I don't know, 538 really needs to do some research on this.
I think it's more just that (democratic) voters are scared shitless of Trump

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ssjevot
03/11/20 8:51:50 PM
#290:


But last election Clinton spent over twice what Trump did, the most ever. And she lost. This election being scared of Trump had many options, yet Biden with almost no money, ground game, or in some states literally no advertising, still won most states on Super Tuesday.

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wackyteen
03/11/20 8:55:46 PM
#291:


ssjevot posted...
But last election Clinton spent over twice what Trump did, the most ever. And she lost. This election being scared of Trump had many options, yet Biden with almost no money, ground game, or in some states literally no advertising, still won most states on Super Tuesday.
well yeah media coverage helps

Remember Trump couldn't fart without some journalist up his ass, smelling and report on it

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ssjevot
03/11/20 8:58:13 PM
#292:


That was what I posited before. That traditional media might be the most important, but I wan't 538 or someone to really analyze this stuff.

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Doom_Art
03/11/20 9:22:56 PM
#293:


"You can lose Texas and still have a winning Democratic coalition. You can lose Michigan and still have a winning coalition. You can lose Washington state and still have a winning Democratic coalition. But you sure as hell can't lose all three of them."

Nate Bronze with a good take

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Balrog0
03/12/20 8:54:56 AM
#294:


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/bernie-sanders-democratic-primary-joe-biden-campaign

Last weekend, a few days after Elizabeth Warren dropped out, Shakir and one of his deputy campaign managers, Ari Rabin-Havt, started contacting her top staffers and supporters to see what could be done to bring together the two camps before the primaries on Tuesday.
Sanders spoke to Warren a handful of times throughout the week, a campaign aide confirmed, but she has declined to offer her endorsement.
Several figures in Warrens circle balked at the outreach effort Sanders and his aides, they said, had months to lay the groundwork for that kind of partnership, but only did so this week from a position of desperation. About a month ago, when it was clear that Warren had little chance to win, one person inside the campaign said they put out feelers to Sanders operation in an attempt to create new lines of communication. At the time, senior Sanders officials showed little interest, the person said, in reciprocating.

yikes

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DaveTheUseless
03/12/20 8:56:05 AM
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The Trent
03/12/20 9:25:25 AM
#296:


Bernie is terrible at politics clearly

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DaveTheUseless
03/12/20 10:06:00 AM
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I just read that Dukakis endorsed Elizabeth Warren, yet she still got nowhere. How is that possible? The people should have more respect for the party's former standard bearer.

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Doom_Art
03/12/20 12:03:25 PM
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"Bernie alienates his natural allies," then-Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) told the Los Angeles Times just months after Sanders first took federal office. "His holier-than-thou attitude saying in a very loud voice he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone else really undercuts his effectiveness."

"I think Bernie Sanders tends to have the approach, 'Don't be pragmatic, state your ideals, state what you think is the right policy and be very wary of compromise and of accepting less than you want,'" he said, echoing comments he made on MSNBC the night before. "My view has been to fight hard for the leftward, most achievable results."

These quotes about Bernie seem relevant atm

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ElatedVenusaur
03/12/20 12:04:23 PM
#300:


Doom_Art posted...
These quotes about Bernie seem relevant atm
Morality is off-putting to those who long ago sold their souls, yes.
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The Trent
03/12/20 12:04:29 PM
#301:


Are those quotes about bernie or his bros

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Balrog0
03/12/20 2:50:10 PM
#302:


have any of you guys been seeing people talking about the exit poll discrepancies show there is vote tampering going on?

why are people like this?

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