Poll of the Day > Leftism will never succeed in America.

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Because American leftists are huge fucking babies that will drop you at even the slightest disagreement. If you can't all come together, you will never win.

They basically eat eachother

We can't help it; we're delicious.

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Whats the right wing view of Mitt Romney at the moment

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Please define the following words for me:

• Leftism
• Leftist

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Uhhhh... American leftism has successfully managed to do an absurd number of things, which makes this argument as ridiculous and out of touch as the person who posted it. And in general, America is a fairly center-left nation whose leftist ideas wind up inspiring other nations to follow course, particularly when it comes to SJW movements like #MeToo and #BLM

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Why can't people who make these threads ever answer my question?

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Judgmenl posted...

Please define the following words for me:
* Leftism

The movement of being a nut ball

* Leftist

Term for a nut ball

Politicians have to look out for their donors than the people who elected them because they have inadequate funding to get elected otherwise. All social programs that benefit the working class are out the window and all wars are necessary. The country is filled with people set in stone with corporate propaganda while the government puts their finger on every scale in order to keep things the way they are.

There's something interesting the Elizabeth Warren said once. She would go into senators offices and ask them for help with legislation, and their first response was always "How are the banks going to feel about this? How are the credit card companies going to feel about this?" She ended up only going to Bernie because his response was always "How is this going to affect my home state?" And that's how the two of them became friends.

All this other nonsense is just used to keep us fighting each other instead of realizing our only enemy is the upper class.

Judgmenl posted...

Please define the following words for me:
* Leftism
* Leftist

Someone who supports any legislation that benefits the working class over the upper class.

• Legalize weed, releasing non-violent drug offenders
• Anti-outsourcing
• Anti-NSA
• Anti-war
• Anti-lobbying, anti-private funding of politicians, anti-treating corporations as people, anti-money = free speech not bribery
• Taxes on the rich
• Public healthcare and public college
• Pro corporate health safety and environmental regulation
• Pro-$15 minimum wage tied to inflation

Income inequity has skyrocketed. They're making far more money than they were 20 years ago and we're making the same amount.

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Zeus posted...

And in general, America is a fairly center-left nation

America is one of the most right-wing developed nations on the planet. I could name several dozen that are further left, but only maybe five or so that are further right.

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As if the alternative, rightism, is any better.

Its why Im casting my vote for Giant Meteor for President 2020.

Leftism will never succeed, yea like FDR wasn't the best president in US history.

Left policies that have left a profound impact on the country.

Child Labor Laws
Right to Vote for all Americans
Libraries
Public Schools
Medicare
Social Security
The New Deal
etc...

While other countries might have eclipsed America in Leftism that doesn't mean this country is the most right wing country on earth. Shit Obama just had 8 years before Trump got in, and he did a lot of stuff that the Left would approve of.

Judgmenl posted...

Please define the following words for me:
* Leftism
* Leftist

There really is no exact definition for this. It's a relative term because the origin of it was used to describe different sides of the aisle of a particular French government. I forget which one

Yellow posted...

Anti-outsourcing

Lol I've heard more right wingers speak out against outsourcing by far. That's one reason the left is often associated with "globalism"

Yellow posted...

Anti-war

Also huge lol. A lot of the most violent war rhetoric comes from the left. I see it on social media a ton. Either way anti war isn't something that is specific to either side of the aisle. There are a ton of right wing libertarians that preach about staying out of the Middle East whereas the Obama administration bombed the fuck out of them

Yellow posted...

Anti-NSA

Also not specific to either side of the aisle

Yellow posted...

Someone who supports any legislation that benefits the working class over the upper class.

This is also completely. But I think you are equating being a Republican with being a right winger

Yellow posted...

Someone who supports any legislation that benefits the working class over the upper class.

Legalize weed, releasing non-violent drug offenders
Anti-outsourcing
Anti-NSA
Anti-war
Anti-lobbying, anti-private funding of politicians, anti-treating corporations as people, anti-money = free speech not bribery
Taxes on the rich
Public healthcare and public college
Pro corporate health safety and environmental regulation
Pro-$15 minimum wage tied to inflation

That's actually a very nice list.

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When I talk about "leftism" I'm not talking about the DNC. I am not part of "X group you don't like that's also part of the left". You can't just take all crazies of the left and throw them all in a bucket with (of course) conflicting views, when the vast majority have a pretty uniform opinion that's always pro-worker. I'm not talking about the Tumblr drama club. I'm talking about the real life progressive left that's focused on real political change.

OhhhJa posted...

Lol I've heard more right wingers speak out against outsourcing by far. That's one reason the left is often associated with "globalism"

Obama was a moderate, not a lefty.

OhhhJa posted...

"Anti-NSA" Also not specific to either side of the aisle

Obama was a moderate.

OhhhJa posted...

Either way anti war isn't something that is specific to either side of the aisle.

Except Bernie.

I am not describing the platform of a random leftist, I'm describing the new progressive left platform that's taking over the party. That's a real leftist.

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I am just going by what I observe from the self described modern left in America

OhhhJa posted...

A lot of the most violent war rhetoric comes from the left. I see it on social media a ton.

lmao

there is a difference between liberals and leftists.
saying that leftists arent anti war because of some shit Obama did is really dumb. Leftists dont really love Obama.

and just because some libertarians are anti war =/= leftists arent anti war. It can be something multiple ideologies want.

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

lmao

I mean... its not right wingers I see calling for violent revolution and the killing of rich people

In my experience "Liberals" on social media are actually conservatives trying to gaslight progressives into becoming traditionalists.

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A lot of liberal issues are inevitable. Conservatives are just good at slowing things down.

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OhhhJa posted...

Lol I've heard more right wingers speak out against outsourcing by far. That's one reason the left is often associated with "globalism"

Also huge lol. A lot of the most violent war rhetoric comes from the left. I see it on social media a ton. Either way anti war isn't something that is specific to either side of the aisle. There are a ton of right wing libertarians that preach about staying out of the Middle East whereas the Obama administration bombed the fuck out of them

Globalism in the sense of international leadership like the UN and general diplomacy? Referred to as "globalists" when it's used as an antisemitic dogwhistle? Sure! Any link to outsourcing? No. Your comment doesn't even make sense. Before Trump the republican party was always the party of "free trade" which fucked over the common worker.

Don't even have to make a response to your war nonsense. Just look it up. Republicans start wars.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Before Trump the republican party was always the party of "free trade" which f***ed over the common worker.

I didnt realize TPP and NAFTA originated with Republicans. Oh right, it didnt

BlackScythe0 posted...

Referred to as "globalists" when it's used as an antisemitic dogwhistle?

Never understood how that term is supposedly antisemitic. I feel like the establishment pushed that narrative and people ran with it

BlackScythe0 posted...

"globalists" when it's used as an antisemitic dogwhistle?

@BlackScythe0 shut the fuck up lmao

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

@BlackScythe0 shut the fuck up lmao

???

OhhhJa posted...

Never understood how that term is supposedly antisemitic.

Because it ties into a lot of old antisemitic stereotypes about how Jews control the world through corporations and Illuminati shit.

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OhhhJa posted...

A lot of the most violent war rhetoric comes from the left.
Obama administration

:-/
You don't know what the Left is if you think this. The Left HATES the Obama administration, and Biden is an extension of that administration, so they HATE Biden, too. The two biggest reasons that people on the Left oppose Biden is because he is pro-ACA/anti-M4A, and he voted for the Iraq War while Sanders voted against it. The progressive base of the Democratic party is not going to forget that under Obama, we went from openly bombing two nations to bombing seven.

Btw, a lot of the vitriol the Left has for Obama isn't just that his policies were garbage. It's that we turned out in 2008 and gave him a supermajority, and not only did he do jack shit with it, but he betrayed the Left who carried him to the White House. He is very good at pretending to be a progressive when he wants to get votes, but as soon as he is in power he drops the mask and shows himself to be just another New Democrat.

This is also why people on the Left care so much about Sanders' records and policies; they are the only markers by which people on the Left can trust that they aren't being lied to again. Obama, I think, does not realize just how much he and his administration pissed off the Left.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_om-x323Em0

OhhhJa posted...

I didnt realize TPP and NAFTA originated with Republicans. Oh right, it didnt

No, they originated with New Democrats, who are conservative Democrats that work with Republicans to dismantle worker protections and also block any socio-economic change until it becomes political suicide for them to do so (see Hillary Clinton talking about how brave she is for opposing gay marriage in 2014, but painting herself as a lifelong ally to gay rights in 2016, lol). But considering you don't even know why globalism is associated with anti-semitism, you probably don't even know the difference between an FDR Democrat and a New Democrat.

Never understood how that term is supposedly antisemitic. I feel like the establishment pushed that narrative and people ran with it

It's a bit complicated and tends to vary a bit. But generally speaking, it is rooted in the idea that Jewish people are trying to take over the world (no, I'm not joking, it's literally that stupid) by weaponizing minorities against white people, either through immigration/interracial marriage or through economic policies (trade deals, outsourcing, any policy that lifts people out of poverty due to the fact that minorities are disproportionately impoverished and therefore helping the poor = attempt to destroy white people, lol).

The general logic (if it can be called logic) is that minorities are destroying white people all over the world, but obviously racists don't think minorities, who they claim only struggle with poverty because they are incompetent, are capable of organizing such a thing, so there must be some sort of global intelligent but evil group behind the scenes. Hence the globalist jew concept.

There's also a religious angle to it; for example, the "War on Christmas" that you see come up every year started out as an evil jew/globalist conspiracy theory that jews were attempting to destroy Christianity via global commercialization.

But globalization is an inevitable outcome of deregulated capitalism and the dismantling of worker's rights and advocacy organizations. Simple example: if you own a private prison, your profit motive pushes you to fight to keep pot illegal so that you can make use of the penal labor exemption in the 13th Amendment of the US constitution so you can line your pocket off the backs of unpaid workers.

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