Poll of the Day > Holy **** Bernie Sanders is getting screwed over again.

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darkknight109 posted...

Yes, those horrible failures that are... the happiest and most prosperous countries on the planet?

Seriously, look at any list of the happiest countries on the planet or the ones with the highest quality of life or the ones with the highest per-capita wages or the ones with the lowest income inequality - they're all dominated by Scandinavian socialist countries and the US usually isn't even in the top 10.

They tend to get happy first then enact socialism. You can't have a system on fair treatment when people don't want to be fair to their neighbours.
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agesboy posted...

this is how the DNC gets a fascist reelected, yes

after fucking up so bad they got him elected in the first place

Yea Bootyjudge is fucking this up. I'm angry at him because it really doesn't make sense for him to have quit at this point for any reason other than helping Biden.

I will support and vote for any democrat over Trump. I'm not going to do any silly protest votes like I did in 16 (I did a write in). I'm going to vote to get Trump out of office and into jail.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Yea Bootyjudge is fucking this up. I'm angry at him because it really doesn't make sense for him to have quit at this point for any reason other than helping Biden.

I will support and vote for any democrat over Trump. I'm not going to do any silly protest votes like I did in 16 (I did a write in). I'm going to vote to get Trump out of office and into jail.

That's not how the legal system works.
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Revelation34 posted...

That's not how the legal system works.

???

He can't be arrested while he is president and has charges waiting in New York for when he leaves office.

agesboy posted... the fault lies in the two-party establishment that forces this situation

both parties are complicit because it aids them both and it forces this dumbass game theory political chess where a vote for anyone except a particular candidate is perceived as a wasted or negative vote

it makes people like you simplify down to IF YOU DONT VOTE FOR BIDEN THEN I GUESS YOU'RE A TRUMPER, simultaneously bleating about how terrible third parties are for leeching votes while at the same time whining about how bernie isn't a "true" democrat and he should have ran as an independent

in no democracy should multiple similar options actively detract from each other the way they do in a first past the post system

Uh yeah, I've argued basically exactly what you said in another topic about the 2 party system.
But whatever Biden's past may be regarding race relations, we do have FPtP voting, and Trump is the alternative choice.

Revelation34 posted...

That's not how the legal system works.

Considering the Dept. of Justice abides by a memo that they can't indict a sitting president, it kind of is how the legal system works.
Until Trump's out of office, he can't be tried for his crimes in court.

I still think he flees to Russia in early January to avoid prison, though

streamofthesky posted...

Considering the Dept. of Justice abides by a memo that they can't indict a sitting president, it kind of is how the legal system works.
Until Trump's out of office, he can't be tried for his crimes in court.

I still think he flees to Russia in early January to avoid prison, though

You can't vote to have somebody arrested.
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Revelation34 posted...

You can't vote to have somebody arrested.

Can you truly not make the connection between the two?

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Judgmenl posted...

I like how there's a thread for people who ignore my threads and a thread for everyone else.

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DragonGirlYuki posted...

Bernie is too far left. Only NEETs like the people on this site like Bernie.

Not true. Bernie wins the Latino votes by a landslide.

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Whether it's the communist or senile guy I cannot see Trump losing.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

They tend to get happy first then enact socialism. You can't have a system on fair treatment when people don't want to be fair to their neighbours.

Whether you think that's true or not, it really doesn't change my point.

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How quickly can you say reelected

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The only people who screwed Bernie over are the young voters who, once again, were all talk but no show. I did my part, but I guess no one else did.

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1235171235505598465

Trump has a perfect point to get across during the debates now too. He can expose the DNC corruption and many Democratic voters are gonna stay home.
The DNC just gave Trump another 4 years in power, hope they're happy.

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https://twitter.com/jeremyscahill/status/1235075081262465024?s=20


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Ferarri619 posted...

Trump has a perfect point to get across during the debates now too.

It should tell you something that Trump is pushing hard to try and get Bernie the nomination.

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Biden is gonna get railed in the debates

If Biden derps and drops out does that mean Sanders automatically takes the lead?

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Ferarri619 posted...

The DNC just gave Trump another 4 years in power, hope they're happy.

yep. at least we have 4 more years of the worlds best active comedian.

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darkknight109 posted...

It should tell you something that Trump is pushing hard to try and get Bernie the nomination.

Because he's an idiot?
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darkknight109 posted...

It should tell you something that Trump is pushing hard to try and get Bernie the nomination.

Yea, couldn't possibly be to get people pissed off so they give protest votes like Trump benefitted from in 2016.

Maybe Trump is a memelord and is laughing like the rest of us

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Should I even bother to vote in the primary next week? The bozos I was going to vote against have already dropped out. Guess I'll have to research more bozos.


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dancer62 posted...

Should I even bother to vote in the primary next week? The bozos I was going to vote against have already dropped out. Guess I'll have to research more bozos.

gotta know your bozos

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Ferarri619 posted...

The DNC just gave Trump another 4 years in power, hope they're happy.

Yes, they most definitely are. Their beholden to the donors. Not us, the people. The donors, lobbyists, are their boss. And their boss say absolutely NO to Bernie. So their choice was simple. Give it a shot with Joe, and maybe lose... but either outcome the corporations will be happy. But allowing Bernie was never an option for them.

But... we cant stay home either. Trumps racism alone is causing real world issues in communities where such issues were resolved decades ago. Racists are feeling more and more embolden. My black friends tell me what they go through but its even worse for the Mexicans.

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I just hope that if Biden wins the primary, he doesn't make the same fucking mistake that Hillary did. The 2nd biggest mistake of a campaign full of them (only slightly behind her brilliant decision to not even try in the Rust Belt and just assume they were locks for her):
Picking another establishment centrist as the VP

Not enough people talk about what a colossal fucking error it was to pick Tim Kaine, who did nothing to help her except maybe help win Virginia (but others could've done that, too), rather than choose a progressive running mate to excite the youth voters and heal the rift from the bitter primary fight w/ Bernie.

Biden needs a progressive VP who'll appeal to young and Latino voters. Prove w/ actual actions that he's going to include progressive voices in his inner circle and work with them, and not just be yet another conservative corporate "neoliberal" that abandons the base.

DragonGirlYuki posted...

Nice.

Bernie is too far left. Only NEETs like the people on this site like Bernie. People who actually have jobs and care for the economy want someone more moderate.

TomNook posted...

Not true. Bernie wins the Latino votes by a landslide.

*suddenly has Eddie Guerrerro's theme play in head, except instead of "Latino Heat", it's "Latino NEET"*

:D

streamofthesky posted...

Prove w/ actual actions that he's going to include progressive voices in his inner circle and work with them

I doubt he is interested in doing that

Honestly the benefits of Biden is that he is actually really good at convincing senators to vote for things. So even if Bernie doesnt get elected, theres a chance democrats could pick up some senate seats and actually pass some bills, even if they arent as progressive as a lot of us would like.

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Mead posted...

I doubt he is interested in doing that

Honestly the benefits of Biden is that he is actually really good at convincing senators to vote for things. So even if Bernie doesnt get elected, theres a chance democrats could pick up some senate seats and actually pass some bills, even if they arent as progressive as a lot of us would like.

I meant to assuage the voters themselves, not other politicians...

Hillary's 2016 ticket felt like a giant "F You!" to younger voters. And it cost her dearly.

streamofthesky posted...

*suddenly has Eddie Guerrerro's theme play in head, except instead of "Latino Heat", it's "Latino NEET"*

Latino beets.

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streamofthesky posted...

Hillary's 2016 ticket felt like a giant "F You!" to younger voters. And it cost her dearly.

True, she also ran a terrible campaign though. A lot of folks insisting trump will win dont seem to know that. She ignored several swing states and never communicated any kind of clear message as to why she should be the candidate to win.

I never encountered a single person IRL that was actually excited to vote for her

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Mead posted...

True, she also ran a terrible campaign though. A lot of folks insisting trump will win dont seem to know that. She ignored several swing states and never communicated any kind of clear message as to why she should be the candidate to win.

I never encountered a single person IRL that was actually excited to vote for her

Yeah, like I said...2nd biggest mistake after ignoring the Rust Belt and other battleground states in the area.

I worry Biden will have a similar problem when it comes to young voters -- complete lack of excitement at the prospect of voting for him. Bernie apparently is still massacring him in the youth vote, they just didn't show up as much as the older ones Biden won. But that's the thing...they're easily discouraged, and Dems really can't afford to let one of their biggest voting blocks feel apathetic about this election.
If he doesn't find a progressive VP that can motivate the younger voters to turn out on election day, he's fucked, just like Hillary.

Well hes already said he wont legalize weed, wont get rid of skyrocketing tuition costs, and isnt interested in providing them with healthcare.

What else can he do to excite young voters?

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Mead posted...

Well hes already said he wont legalize weed, wont get rid of skyrocketing tuition costs, and isnt interested in providing them with healthcare.

What else can he do to excite young voters?

That last one sounds like a gross mis-characterization...
All the Dems want to provide everyone with Medicare at least as an option. It's just some want it as an option and some want it as the only primary health insurance.
The weed thing is so politically inconsequential now and legalization becoming so popular that I could see him bending on that once elected.
Tuition costs...yeah, tough luck? He'd probably be fine w/ lowering interest rates and other small measures...

As for other things to excite them...environmental issues seems like an easy one. Raising taxes on the wealthy and the capital gains tax rate should be slam dunks as well, but he's probably tied to the corrupt Delaware corporate tax avoidance structure... :(

streamofthesky posted...

As for other things to excite them...environmental issues seems like an easy one. Raising taxes on the wealthy and the capital gains tax rate should be slam dunks as well, but he's probably tied to the corrupt Delaware corporate tax avoidance structure... :(

The wealthy already pay the majority of all taxes which pays for all the free shit that all the useless moochers demands. When said useless moochers actually pay their share, I'll give a shit about their demands for more free shit.

The current events have sent a very clear message: the so called "progressives" are a fringe group of loud mouths who don't speak for the democratic voters. The moderates, who aren't crazies, don't give a fuck what the commies want.

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streamofthesky posted...

The weed thing is so politically inconsequential now

not in places where people are still being locked up for years

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The_tall_midget posted...

The wealthy already pay the majority of all taxes which pays for all the free shit that all the useless moochers demands.

Let's put it this way.

A person who is 10x richer than you is not only 10x better off, they're also 10x more able to get richer than you. The gains from wealth are exponential so inherently the tax should be exponential too. They pay more money, but that money is easier to come by so is less of a contribution relatively.

A person with no spare money has no means to get more income but if they had some money then they would have the means to get more. Giving everybody some spending money means that everybody can get exponential growth. If Jeff Bezos who's at a level of planetary saturation of financial growth get more money, that money has limited growth. This is bad for the economy.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

iving everybody some spending money means that everybody can get exponential growth. If Jeff Bezos who's at a level of planetary saturation of financial growth get more money, that money has limited growth. This is bad for the economy.

Hahahaha, oh hell no. If you give lazy assholes who always demand free shit more free shit, they won't accumulate wealth, they'll just end up demanding more free shit. It's why feminists have been given EVERYTHING they've demanded and more and yet STILL demands that more free shit be thrown at women and that society is soooooooo unfair and toxic.

It's a fact of life that when you give money to irresponsible people, they don't tend to get richer, they just end up wasting more money and demanding more in the end. Everyone? No. But the overwhelming majority.

Reality of life: The wealthy already pay for everything the moochers demand for. Until the moochers pay their share, they don't get to ask more. Fair?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJq-uKmUptY

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Mead posted...

not in places where people are still being locked up for years

I said "politically inconsequential"
As in, it used to be a political suicide to promote legalizing weed.
With each passing year, it becomes less controversial and safer to take that stance.

Biden is old and pretty conservative. He's probably just set in his ways, I doubt he actually cares one way or the other, he's just used to opposing it and thinks that's the savvy position to hold.
I can easily see a progressive running mate convincing him to "flip flop" on it, especially post-election.

streamofthesky posted...

Biden is old and pretty conservative. He's probably just set in his ways

i mean, theyre all old

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

If Biden gets the nom, I will just write in Bernie. Fuck Biden

Ill be pissed if Bernie gets screwed again too, but this is a good way to get Trump re-elected. The sweet vengeance against Biden just isnt worth it.

Id rather just put up with Biden. And if he sucks, well just vote him out in 2024.

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DragonGirlYuki posted...

Nice.

Bernie is too far left. Only NEETs like the people on this site like Bernie. People who actually have jobs and care for the economy want someone more moderate.

I'm a NEET because I want to end the Iraq war and do single payer? Save my friend's son from his 30 year prison sentence for having 9 lb of weed? Then call me a NEET. Even though I work full time

You literally can't name a single policy of his that you like. You just went "middle ground bro", and that's why politics is fucked. People who don't have any policy opinions just should never get involved, because those people treat it like a reality TV show.

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The_tall_midget posted...

Hahahaha, oh hell no. If you give lazy assholes who always demand free shit more free shit, they won't accumulate wealth, they'll just end up demanding more free shit. It's why feminists have been given EVERYTHING they've demanded and more and yet STILL demands that more free shit be thrown at women and that society is soooooooo unfair and toxic.

You could make that argument if they ever were given anything. Try propping up society before taking the rug out from under society.

Feminists always demand more as that's the aim of the game. They're predatory and abusive toward their goals like a large volume of gold hoarders.

The_tall_midget posted...

It's a fact of life that when you give money to irresponsible people, they don't tend to get richer, they just end up wasting more money and demanding more in the end. Everyone? No. But the overwhelming majority.

This just in, the overwhelming majority of poor people are there from irresponsibility rather than say... poor raising, poor education, poor health, etc. And saudi fuck boy oil sheikhs are exclusively hardworking geniuses.

The_tall_midget posted...

Reality of life: The wealthy already pay for everything the moochers demand for. Until the moochers pay their share, they don't get to ask more. Fair?

They can't pay a fair share because the wealthy don't pay a fair wage. You can't force them to care about the functioning of society so it's up to the government to offset their shitty behaviour.
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My state always goes red in the general. Sanders is the only one who has a chance at flipping it, so I have no qualms whatsoever about writing in Sanders if he doesn't win the primary.

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I dont see how this is screwing him over

TimeForAction posted...

I dont see how this is screwing him over

Realistically speaking at the time Pete dropped out it really didn't make sense he was one of the top 3 candidates. The only reason one can imagine him dropping when he did and tossing his support behind Biden is for the purpose of hurting Bernie.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Realistically speaking at the time Pete dropped out it really didn't make sense he was one of the top 3 candidates. The only reason one can imagine him dropping when he did and tossing his support behind Biden is for the purpose of hurting Bernie.

That's still not "screwing him over"

Pete doesn't owe it to Bernie to stay in the race.
And if Sanders needs a bunch of moderates to split the vote so he can sneak to the nomination despite getting less than 50% of the votes in most states...that's his problem.
I like Bernie. But if he can't beat Biden 1 on 1, he ain't beating Trump.
(yeah, it was 4 people...but Bloomberg hurt Biden as much as Warren hurt Sanders, so it was still fair. If she continues on much longer, then it's stacked in Biden's favor)

streamofthesky posted...

That's still not "screwing him over"

Pete doesn't owe it to Bernie to stay in the race.
And if Sanders needs a bunch of moderates to split the vote so he can sneak to the nomination despite getting less than 50% of the votes in most states...that's his problem.
I like Bernie. But if he can't beat Biden 1 on 1, he ain't beating Trump.
(yeah, it was 4 people...but Bloomberg hurt Biden as much as Warren hurt Sanders, so it was still fair. If she continues on much longer, then it's stacked in Biden's favor)

This is a bit of a difference of opinion.

I'm not saying he "should" have stayed in, I'm just saying the only way I can understand his decision to drop out when he did was to hit Bernie hard on super tuesday.

To me making a decision specifically to screw someone over is "screwing them over".

Watching Bernie Bros rage after he got his butt kicked is great time! The fact they actually think he is going to appeal to a majority of people is just funny. It's all the losers living in mommy's basement 30 years old and under that can't actually do anything for themselves that want all his "free stuff" he's promising. It just shows has sad our school system has become when these people think socialism is a good thing.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

This is a bit of a difference of opinion.

I'm not saying he "should" have stayed in, I'm just saying the only way I can understand his decision to drop out when he did was to hit Bernie hard on super tuesday.

To me making a decision specifically to screw someone over is "screwing them over".

He wants a moderate to win.
Biden had taken the lead among them, and Pete's prospects in the Super Tuesday states weren't great even before the SC blowout. At this point, he was just splitting the vote and hurting Biden.

I fucking hate First Past the Post, too. But as long as it's the voting system, this is the result. Field narrows or a guy that the majority doesn't like potentially steals the win.