Current Events > Would youth in the US would be better if there was forced military service?

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Like many countries do and have done in the past. Have people serve from the age of 18 to 21. Then put them through schooling for 3 years (which they can continue if they wanted) for their service.

Would this help out all the struggling youth in this country?

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No, the military can fuck off

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No.

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we have mandatory conscription here and the year i spent in the army was the best year of my life

in particular, forcing fatties and people who think they suffer from anxiety or some other self-diagnosed ailment would benefit from it a lot and would make them into a much smaller detriment to society at large

I'd say youth who get into crime should have to be reformed via some sort of military service

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Question, when you thought this up, did you think about ALL youth or just white youths from decent homes?
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Name a country with a comparable quality of life to the US that has mandatory military service.

I would be OK with mandatory public service of some kind (could include military, but could be extended to EMS/firefighting services or even just caretaking).

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yes.
if gun culture can't be erased from US, at least with mandatory conscription people will have a chance to learn to handle them responsibly.

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Hexenherz posted...

Name a country with a comparable quality of life to the US that has mandatory military service.

South Korea and Singapore.

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Ricemills posted...

yes.
if gun culture can't be erased from US, at least with mandatory conscription people will have a chance to learn to handle them responsibly.

See how cops and soldiers always handle guns responsibly

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hockeybub89 posted...

See how cops and soldiers always handle guns responsibly

better than gang bangers.

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REMercsChamp posted...

I'd say youth who get into crime should have to be reformed via some sort of military service

While I'm generally in favor of some mandatory military service, the military generally tries to weed out people with notable criminal histories. It isn't there to reform criminals.

hockeybub89 posted...

No, the military can fuck off

/eyeroll

I'd lean towards yes. But non combat. Just something to teach them about respect, discipline, etc

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Our most recent period of worst civil unrest occurred at the same time when there was mandatory military service.

Obviously, there were many issues at play in the 70's, but at the very least it's clearly not a panacea.

And before anyone tries to say that society now is worse than it was back then, wake me up when there are nation-wide mass riots and regular assassinations of major civic leaders as was the case from the mid 60's through the mid 70's.

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Esrac posted...

/eyeroll

You can choose to join if you want. But it's just a fucking job. It's not an objective good and it's not for everyone.

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zado19 posted...

Question, when you thought this up, did you think about ALL youth or just white youths from decent homes?

All youth.


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MrKapowski posted...

I'd lean towards yes. But non combat. Just something to teach them about respect, discipline, etc

Most military positions don't involve direct combat, but I don't think you could guarantee they never see any kind of combat. It would also vary by which branch they join.

Speaking of which, I wonder how a mandatory service program would work. Would people select which branch they want to serve in or would they be assigned by lottery/need?

Esrac posted...

Speaking of which, I wonder how a mandatory service program would work. Would people select which branch they want to serve in or would they be assigned by lottery/need?

If anything i would see it working like filling in the cracks. You choose a branch, and if they need you you get your pick. But if another area is in need of people, you would go there.

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They'd probably do it by quota reseting at the fiscal year, and I imagine the Air Force would fill the fudge up fast.

To be honest the military doesn't really have the capacity to recruit and train *every* single person who turns 18. It would be a huge financial strain and would negatively impact readiness.

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Hexenherz posted...

They'd probably do it by quota reseting at the fiscal year, and I imagine the Air Force would fill the fudge up fast.

To be honest the military doesn't really have the capacity to recruit and train *every* single person who turns 18. It would be a huge financial strain and would negatively impact readiness.

Not without more funding. Hell, the Navy seems to be having trouble funding some of its beneficial programs as it is. Meaning things like TA.

Esrac posted...

Not without more funding. Hell, the Navy seems to be having trouble funding some of its beneficial programs as it is. Meaning things like TA.

Well, they did revise how TA works now - they limited the "lifetime" funding you can get for TA, but I think that will mean they won't run out towards the end of the year like last time.

It was interesting to see how they expanded a lot of enlistment bonus options, though. Like... "Graduating from high school" bonuses (even though you need to graduate technically to get in in the first place), or "Passing your initial PT test assessment" bonus >_>.

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It would never work because the majority of America is filled with cowards.

Your average weak and timid CEman couldnt even meet the minimum standards. There are no warriors here.

Theres no purpose in having 90% of the people currently enlisted in the military

thats ignoring the greater issue that the military is stupid and unuseful as it is. Not one good fight fought since World War II

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The US military does a ton of humanitarian and disaster relief missions abroad. It's not all bad.

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Ricemills posted...

yes.
if gun culture can't be erased from US, at least with mandatory conscription people will have a chance to learn to handle them responsibly.

the vast majority of troops qualify with a weapon once in boot camp and never handle again unless they deploy to a war zone

no

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smoliske posted...

the vast majority of troops qualify with a weapon once in boot camp and never handle again unless they deploy to a war zone

I don't know about the other branches, but it the Navy weapons handling was pretty minimal. It was mostly turn-over procedure for the M9 and then 2 days worth of shooting range. Only one of those days involved actually using a live ammo handgun.

I have to wonder how many who want this been in the military themselves and I also wonder if they somehow miss the age requirements as well. I usually see non veterans and/or older folks call for this sort of thing cause they know they won't be the ones forced into service, which is a horrible and fascist idea in the first place.

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And the other day was getting yelled at for the air-powered simulated pistol malfunctioning every other shot even though it wasn't even your fault m i rite

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The problem with this is that the US is constantly in some sort of conflict overseas. Your basically forcing you young adults to go and potential die.

the countries that have mandatory military service are training their young adults to potentially protect the nation, not go out and police the world.

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I have a feeling that all of the worst people on CE would say no to this.

ghettoraider81 posted...

The problem with this is that the US is constantly in some sort of conflict overseas. Your basically forcing you young adults to go and potential die.

the countries that have mandatory military service are training their young adults to potentially protect the nation, not go out and police the world.

Most people these days don't experience any sort of combat if they deploy in the first place.

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Hexenherz posted...

Name a country with a comparable quality of life to the US that has mandatory military service.

I would be OK with mandatory public service of some kind (could include military, but could be extended to EMS/firefighting services or even just caretaking).

Israel

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Are we talking EVERYONE, or something like Germany where 18 year olds go in for two years? Even that wouldn't work here. At any given time there's about four million Americans at the age of 18. What is the legal system going to do when a lot of them refuse and they all of a sudden have hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of people saying "How about no" to being drafted? Throw them all in prison?

I say no to ANY mandatory government service. We're supposed to be free in this country. I'm not the government's slave, I don't have to work for them if I don't want to.

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smoliske posted...

the vast majority of troops qualify with a weapon once in boot camp and never handle again unless they deploy to a war zone

I don't know about the other branches, but in the Army this is not true. You are required to qualify every 12 months at a minimum. A lot of units will send you every 6 months. This isn't taking field exercises and training into consideration either.

Now if you were to say a vast majority of troops don't handle weapons very often outside of boot, then you'd be right.

No, plus itll never happen. The rich dont want to give young people free job skills.

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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

No, plus itll never happen. The rich dont want to give young people free job skills.

Job Corps is a thing.

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Annihilated posted...

I have a feeling that all of the worst people on CE would say no to this.

lol

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Southernfatman posted...

I have to wonder how many who want this been in the military themselves and I also wonder if they somehow miss the age requirements as well. I usually see non veterans and/or older folks call for this sort of thing cause they know they won't be the ones forced into service, which is a horrible and fascist idea in the first place.

I'm in the Navy now and I like the idea of mandatory service for a few years after highschool. I think it can ingrain good habits and standards. It can also provide a good foundation on job skills for the private sector, depending on your rate.

No, forced labor is slavery. You would have a lot of good young people being arrested for noncompliance.

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I'm cool with not dying for my country, especially one as corrupt as the U.S.

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I could get behind a compulsory national service. It doesn't have to be all military - teaching in underserved areas, EMS, construction, etc. would be acceptable too.

Based on other topics like this, I think I'm in the minority on this board though.

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Hexenherz posted...

Name a country with a comparable quality of life to the US that has mandatory military service.

I would be OK with mandatory public service of some kind (could include military, but could be extended to EMS/firefighting services or even just caretaking).

Switzerland, Russia, Greece, Israel, Denmark, Austria, Best Korea and Chad.

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Sure, but it can also be any type of service that benefits the country.

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I just feel there are too many NEETs in this country and people that refuse to work. I think some sort of mandatory work would help keep a lot of idle hands busy.

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No, a world police needs willing volunteers who will do the job not a draft.
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"Big government is bad"

"Everyone should be forced to fight for the government for several years"

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Fuck no lmao

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SH_expert44 posted...

I just feel there are too many NEETs in this country and people that refuse to work. I think some sort of mandatory work would help keep a lot of idle hands busy.

indeed.

while you wouldn't always get the most ideal first station (e.g. minot AFB) you would have a steady income, free housing (assuming you were unmarried in the dorms), and have learned a valuable life skill that most of the time would apply to an equivalent civilian career.