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Politics 12/26/19 9:15:35 AM #1:	Like I get you can't really prove that god isn't real, but I mean do you have to? I can't really prove the Easter Bunny isn't real either, but I'm not agnostic about the Easter Bunny lol --- penis <cite>Politics posted [p:932072540] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>Like I get you can't really prove that god isn't real, but I mean do you have to? I can't really prove the Easter Bunny isn't real either, but I'm not agnostic about the Easter Bunny lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 12/26/19 9:16:47 AM #2:	What's the point of being religious or atheist --- FFXIV: Lucius Hexenseele (Brynhildr) \| RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div/Mining/Smithing/Thieving, 98 crafting https://letterboxd.com/BMovieBro/ <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:932072567] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>What's the point of being religious or atheist </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BignutzisBack 12/26/19 9:17:47 AM #3:	What's the point of anything? --- https://imgur.com/plA0Vg9 https://media.giphy.com/media/dgK22exekwOLm/giphy.gif <cite>BignutzisBack posted [p:932072591] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>What's the point of anything? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 12/26/19 9:18:07 AM #4:	tips fedora --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:932072600] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>tips fedora </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 12/26/19 9:19:02 AM #5:	Too scared to be atheist... --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:932072616] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>Too scared to be atheist... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cranie 12/26/19 9:22:34 AM #7:	It's just admitting that you don't know what's truly up. The only honest thing to do. <cite>Cranie posted [p:932072681] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>It's just admitting that you don't know what's truly up. The only honest thing to do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 12/26/19 9:22:46 AM #8:	Religion plays no role in my life and I don't spend a whole lot of time thinking about it. I don't feel strongly enough against it to consider myself atheist necessarily, but I don't believe in it either. --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:932072686] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>Religion plays no role in my life and I don't spend a whole lot of time thinking about it. I don't feel strongly enough against it to consider myself atheist necessarily, but I don't believe in it either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
refmon 12/26/19 9:23:38 AM #9:	Cranie posted... The only honest thing to do. --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! <cite>refmon posted [p:932072699] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>Cranie posted... </cite> <quote>The only honest thing to do.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Politics 12/26/19 9:25:48 AM #10:	It's not the honest thing to do, it's the intellectually lazy thing to do --- penis <cite>Politics posted [p:932072734] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>It's not the honest thing to do, it's the intellectually lazy thing to do </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blackstar110 12/26/19 9:26:56 AM #11:	LordMarshal posted... Too scared to be atheist... Kinda. Agnostic isnt even really a thing, in the sense people use it at least. Gnosticism deals with knowledge, theism deals with belief. Agnostics dont know if there is a god. Atheists dont believe there is a god (and its worth noting thats not the same thing as believing there is no god, its just not believing in a god). So, given no one can KNOW, we technically are all agnostic (though some would surely declare god as a fact). Asking the question do you believe in a god should be a yes or no question, because answering no doesnt mean youre positive there isnt a god. You either believe in a specific god or you dont. The misconception is that people think being atheist means you have absolutely ruled out with 100% certainty no god exists, which is just not the case. If you dont specifically believe in a specific higher power, youre an atheist. People have conflated that word with being more hardline than it is. --- -Shred <cite>Blackstar110 posted [p:932072755] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>LordMarshal posted... </cite> <quote>Too scared to be atheist...</quote> Kinda. Agnostic isnt even really a thing, in the sense people use it at least. Gnosticism deals with knowledge, theism deals with belief. Agnostics dont know if there is a god. Atheists dont believe there is a god (and its worth noting thats not the same thing as believing there is no god, its just not believing in a god). So, given no one can KNOW, we technically are all agnostic (though some would surely declare god as a fact). Asking the question do you believe in a god should be a yes or no question, because answering no doesnt mean youre positive there isnt a god. You either believe in a specific god or you dont. The misconception is that people think being atheist means you have absolutely ruled out with 100% certainty no god exists, which is just not the case. If you dont specifically believe in a specific higher power, youre an atheist. People have conflated that word with being more hardline than it is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twin3Turbo 12/26/19 9:31:10 AM #12:	Blackstar110 posted... Kinda. Agnostic isnt even really a thing, in the sense people use it at least. Gnosticism deals with knowledge, theism deals with belief. Agnostics dont know if there is a god. Atheists dont believe there is a god (and its worth noting thats not the same thing as believing there is no god, its just not believing in a god). So, given no one can KNOW, we technically are all agnostic (though some would surely declare god as a fact). Asking the question do you believe in a god should be a yes or no question, because answering no doesnt mean youre positive there isnt a god. You either believe in a specific god or you dont. The misconception is that people think being atheist means you have absolutely ruled out with 100% certainty no god exists, which is just not the case. If you dont specifically believe in a specific higher power, youre an atheist. People have conflated that word with being more hardline than it is. Pretty much. --- https://imgur.com/PHWbltB <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:932072826] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>Blackstar110 posted... </cite> <quote>Kinda. Agnostic isnt even really a thing, in the sense people use it at least. Gnosticism deals with knowledge, theism deals with belief. Agnostics dont know if there is a god. Atheists dont believe there is a god (and its worth noting thats not the same thing as believing there is no god, its just not believing in a god). So, given no one can KNOW, we technically are all agnostic (though some would surely declare god as a fact). Asking the question do you believe in a god should be a yes or no question, because answering no doesnt mean youre positive there isnt a god. You either believe in a specific god or you dont. The misconception is that people think being atheist means you have absolutely ruled out with 100% certainty no god exists, which is just not the case. If you dont specifically believe in a specific higher power, youre an atheist. People have conflated that word with being more hardline than it is.</quote>Pretty much. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blackstar110 12/26/19 9:31:33 AM #13:	Dovetailing my above post... Anyone on the Gnostic half of this chart is full of shit IMO. The left half is the only place to be. --- -Shred <cite>Blackstar110 posted [p:932072835] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>Dovetailing my above post... Anyone on the Gnostic half of this chart is full of shit IMO. The left half is the only place to be. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 12/26/19 9:41:55 AM #14:	Politics posted... It's not the honest thing to do, it's the intellectually lazy thing to do A big issue in philosophy is epistomology, and many people belief that asserting any knowledge is the intellectually lazy route. --- I presume my time here in my darkblack dragondark steel-obliterating solitude has come to its end as well. http://www.last.fm/user/Pogo92 <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:932073063] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>Politics posted... </cite> <quote>It's not the honest thing to do, it's the intellectually lazy thing to do</quote>A big issue in philosophy is epistomology, and many people belief that asserting any knowledge is the intellectually lazy route. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RescueBC 12/26/19 9:47:43 AM #15:	I mean I call myself an atheist but also can understand why someone would claim agnosticism. I think the difference is often largely semantics though. --- If this signature appears blue, you need to consider not doing whatever it is you're doing. <cite>RescueBC posted [p:932073189] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>I mean I call myself an atheist but also can understand why someone would claim agnosticism. I think the difference is often largely semantics though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alucard188 12/26/19 9:48:25 AM #16:	BignutzisBack posted... What's the point of anything? Nihilism is the one true path. --- Face it Cloud is a gaming icon and has appered in lots of games while mario has only appeared in 2 games sunshine and 64~xSlashbomBx <cite>Alucard188 posted [p:932073204] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>BignutzisBack posted... </cite> <quote>What's the point of anything?</quote> Nihilism is the one true path. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
malenz 12/26/19 9:52:06 AM #17:	I do not believe god exists, but just because our limited understanding of the universe makes it seem that way, doesn't have to mean no type of god exists. For all we know, god is literally the universe and that is his body. Also, I think belief systems can have merit and power despite the literal god(s) actually existing as supernatural beings or not. <cite>malenz posted [p:932073291] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>I do not believe god exists, but just because our limited understanding of the universe makes it seem that way, doesn't have to mean no type of god exists. For all we know, god is literally the universe and that is his body. Also, I think belief systems can have merit and power despite the literal god(s) actually existing as supernatural beings or not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 12/26/19 10:15:19 AM #18:	malenz posted... I do not believe god exists, but just because our limited understanding of the universe makes it seem that way, doesn't have to mean no type of god exists. For all we know, god is literally the universe and that is his body. Also, I think belief systems can have merit and power despite the literal god(s) actually existing as supernatural beings or not. God was the friends we made along the way. --- I presume my time here in my darkblack dragondark steel-obliterating solitude has come to its end as well. http://www.last.fm/user/Pogo92 <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:932073803] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>malenz posted... </cite> <quote>I do not believe god exists, but just because our limited understanding of the universe makes it seem that way, doesn't have to mean no type of god exists. For all we know, god is literally the universe and that is his body. Also, I think belief systems can have merit and power despite the literal god(s) actually existing as supernatural beings or not.</quote>God was the friends we made along the way. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RescueBC 12/26/19 10:31:05 AM #19:	malenz posted... I do not believe god exists, but just because our limited understanding of the universe makes it seem that way, doesn't have to mean no type of god exists. For all we know, god is literally the universe and that is his body. Also, I think belief systems can have merit and power despite the literal god(s) actually existing as supernatural beings or not. I think the question then becomes what would you define as a god though? I dont believe in "gods" but I'm open to the possibility that there's some sort of other strange shit going on. Lol Like what we understand as the universe could just be a program or experiment or some smaller unimportant part of a greater system of something. But would I consider the ones who designed the experiment or program "gods?" I don't think so... I'd expect them to have arisen as a result of evolution themselves and to be constrained by the limits of whatever greater system that they are a part of. --- If this signature appears blue, you need to consider not doing whatever it is you're doing. <cite>RescueBC posted [p:932074185] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>malenz posted... </cite> <quote>I do not believe god exists, but just because our limited understanding of the universe makes it seem that way, doesn't have to mean no type of god exists. For all we know, god is literally the universe and that is his body. Also, I think belief systems can have merit and power despite the literal god(s) actually existing as supernatural beings or not.</quote> I think the question then becomes what would you define as a god though? I dont believe in "gods" but I'm open to the possibility that there's some sort of other strange shit going on. Lol Like what we understand as the universe could just be a program or experiment or some smaller unimportant part of a greater system of something. But would I consider the ones who designed the experiment or program "gods?" I don't think so... I'd expect them to have arisen as a result of evolution themselves and to be constrained by the limits of whatever greater system that they are a part of. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mareen 12/26/19 10:32:20 AM #20:	It shows that you're intellectually honest. --- Awz od fiis <cite>Mareen posted [p:932074212] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>It shows that you're intellectually honest. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeyondWalls 12/26/19 10:40:11 AM #21:	Politics posted... I can't really prove the Easter Bunny isn't real either, but I'm not agnostic about the Easter Bunny lol But we all agree the Cadbury Bunny is real, right? --- END OF LINE <cite>BeyondWalls posted [p:932074424] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>Politics posted... </cite> <quote>I can't really prove the Easter Bunny isn't real either, but I'm not agnostic about the Easter Bunny lol</quote>But we all agree the Cadbury Bunny is real, right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
vigorm0rtis 12/26/19 10:43:22 AM #22:	Conflict posted... It's literally being indifferent It's literally being capable of admitting you don't know. --- "Can't wait to count out your coin!" -- Bethesda, 2018 <cite>vigorm0rtis posted [p:932074509] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote>It's literally being indifferent</quote> It's literally being capable of admitting you don't know. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 12/26/19 10:50:06 AM #23:	What's the point of being atheist? And what's the point of being an atheist that tries forcing their belief on others? Religion gives some people a content feeling of something bigger than them. Atheist seem depressed 85% of the time. But they're also the same people who probably think being depressed making you more intelligent than being ok. --- Name checks out "Step on me now, placed on a pedestal, they find me dead" <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:932074674] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>What's the point of being atheist? And what's the point of being an atheist that tries forcing their belief on others? Religion gives some people a content feeling of something bigger than them. Atheist seem depressed 85% of the time. But they're also the same people who probably think being depressed making you more intelligent than being ok. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 12/26/19 11:00:00 AM #24:	Lost_All_Senses posted... What's the point of being atheist? And what's the point of being an atheist that tries forcing their belief on others? Religion gives some people a content feeling of something bigger than them. Atheist seem depressed 85% of the time. But they're also the same people who probably think being depressed making you more intelligent than being ok. Is there anything wrong with valuing knowledge more than happiness? --- I presume my time here in my darkblack dragondark steel-obliterating solitude has come to its end as well. http://www.last.fm/user/Pogo92 <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:932074948] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>Lost_All_Senses posted... </cite> <quote>What's the point of being atheist? And what's the point of being an atheist that tries forcing their belief on others? Religion gives some people a content feeling of something bigger than them. Atheist seem depressed 85% of the time. But they're also the same people who probably think being depressed making you more intelligent than being ok.</quote> Is there anything wrong with valuing knowledge more than happiness? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 12/26/19 11:08:33 AM #25:	I believe everyone is agnostic, so it's a pointless label. it's like the enlightened centrist of religion. you're either an agnostic atheist or an agnostic theist, so I think it makes more sense to cut out the common denominator --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:932075172] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>I believe everyone is agnostic, so it's a pointless label. it's like the enlightened centrist of religion. you're either an agnostic atheist or an agnostic theist, so I think it makes more sense to cut out the common denominator </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 12/26/19 1:28:04 PM #26:	Pogo_Marimo posted... Is there anything wrong with valuing knowledge more than happiness? What's your knowledge past saying "there is no God"? Give me the extra insight you have on things that people who believe in God don't. Keep in mind that not believing in something and replacing it with nothing isn't extra knowledge. --- Name checks out "Step on me now, placed on a pedestal, they find me dead" <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:932079665] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>Pogo_Marimo posted... </cite> <quote>Is there anything wrong with valuing knowledge more than happiness?</quote> What's your knowledge past saying "there is no God"? Give me the extra insight you have on things that people who believe in God don't. Keep in mind that not believing in something and replacing it with nothing isn't extra knowledge. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ic3Bullet 12/26/19 1:59:07 PM #27:	LordMarshal posted... Too scared to be atheist... I know this isn't always the case, but a large number of agnostics probably either fall in this camp, or the camp of not wanting to call themselves atheists because of the negative connotations society has about that word. <cite>Ic3Bullet posted [p:932080709] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>LordMarshal posted... </cite> <quote>Too scared to be atheist...</quote>I know this isn't always the case, but a large number of agnostics probably either fall in this camp, or the camp of not wanting to call themselves atheists because of the negative connotations society has about that word. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 12/26/19 1:59:25 PM #28:	I dunno --- 53 LIII 0b110101 p16 0x35 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:932080719] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>I dunno </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FL81 12/26/19 1:59:49 PM #29:	what's the point of being a Scientologist --- Placeholder signature until ImgTC comes back online <cite>FL81 posted [p:932080732] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>what's the point of being a Scientologist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta_MAX 12/26/19 2:04:23 PM #30:	I have never believed in God. Not a single day in my life. I remember being in 2nd grade and going to what my school called the little church on wheels where they talked about God and thought it sounded made up. I have literally never believed in God. However ever since i was 18 and became better at thinking I realized you have to be an idiot to "know" God is fake. I have been an agnostic now for 12 years. Being an agnostic really opens your mind to possibilities, and doesnt limit your thinking. Being an agnostic you are capable of judging people based on merit and not simply label people and just write them off. I have never heard anyone else say this, but I am so NOT a believer in creation/religion i actually literally do not believe the Big Bang actually happened. My opinion on the Big Bang is that if you can actually convince me that the Big Bang is real then you just convinced me that God is real. From nothing everything came into existence? What more of a divine intervention can you even conceive? Now don't get me wrong, like anything related to theoretical science i am capable of talking about it as if it were real, but that doesnt mean I actually think it happened. Science does not discount religion, AT ALL. We used to think that science would answer all of our questions about life, the universe, and everything but as science has progressed we have only gotten more questions than answers. Anyone who knows even a little bit about quantum mechanics knows just how weird, and literally magical our modern understanding of physics is. Will we eventually have a scientific answer to quantum mechanics? Possibly. But there is no end in sight currently. But in 2019 the year of our lord science has done nothing to disprove religion. If anything it has done more to prove religion is a real possibility. It took me a long time to realize what intelligent design actually was, as this was smeared as just someone throwing a bible at you in schools, but intelligent design is an actual and legitimate scientific field of thought. Everything in intelligent design is done with the scientific method and is by definition actual science. I am not advocating for the theory itself, but it is interesting. I like learning about all sorts of things. I dont like hating people. Consider being agnostic instead of low tier IQ noob who thinks they know everything. It always frustrates me when people defend atheism harder than religious people defend their religion. Like can you not see you are acting in the exact way you claim to hate how the religious people act? Take a chill pill and realize you dont know everything --- I'm Veggeta X's alt <cite>Veggeta_MAX posted [p:932080884] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>I have never believed in God. Not a single day in my life. I remember being in 2nd grade and going to what my school called the little church on wheels where they talked about God and thought it sounded made up. I have literally never believed in God. However ever since i was 18 and became better at thinking I realized you have to be an idiot to "know" God is fake. I have been an agnostic now for 12 years. Being an agnostic really opens your mind to possibilities, and doesnt limit your thinking. Being an agnostic you are capable of judging people based on merit and not simply label people and just write them off. I have never heard anyone else say this, but I am so NOT a believer in creation/religion i actually literally do not believe the Big Bang actually happened. My opinion on the Big Bang is that if you can actually convince me that the Big Bang is real then you just convinced me that God is real. From nothing everything came into existence? What more of a divine intervention can you even conceive? Now don't get me wrong, like anything related to theoretical science i am capable of talking about it as if it were real, but that doesnt mean I actually think it happened. Science does not discount religion, AT ALL. We used to think that science would answer all of our questions about life, the universe, and everything but as science has progressed we have only gotten more questions than answers. Anyone who knows even a little bit about quantum mechanics knows just how weird, and literally magical our modern understanding of physics is. Will we eventually have a scientific answer to quantum mechanics? Possibly. But there is no end in sight currently. But in 2019 the year of our lord science has done nothing to disprove religion. If anything it has done more to prove religion is a real possibility. It took me a long time to realize what intelligent design actually was, as this was smeared as just someone throwing a bible at you in schools, but intelligent design is an actual and legitimate scientific field of thought. Everything in intelligent design is done with the scientific method and is by definition actual science. I am not advocating for the theory itself, but it is interesting. I like learning about all sorts of things. I dont like hating people. Consider being agnostic instead of low tier IQ noob who thinks they know everything. It always frustrates me when people defend atheism harder than religious people defend their religion. Like can you not see you are acting in the exact way you claim to hate how the religious people act? Take a chill pill and realize you dont know everything </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 12/26/19 2:23:54 PM #31:	Lost_All_Senses posted... What's your knowledge past saying "there is no God"? Give me the extra insight you have on things that people who believe in God don't. Keep in mind that not believing in something and replacing it with nothing isn't extra knowledge. I don't have any dog in the fight, but if you are going to argue that atheists shouldn't criticize other people because religion makes them happy, then I would just like to know if you think knowledge is less important than happiness. If you believe in something, is it more ethical to let someone live in blissful ignorance of your conclusions or make them readily aware of your conclusions, even if it makes them less happy? Knowledge of abstract concepts is a type of knowledge. Would it be unethical to make someone aware of new abstract knowledge just because it would make them less happy? --- I presume my time here in my darkblack dragondark steel-obliterating solitude has come to its end as well. http://www.last.fm/user/Pogo92 <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:932081636] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>Lost_All_Senses posted... </cite> <quote>What's your knowledge past saying "there is no God"? Give me the extra insight you have on things that people who believe in God don't. Keep in mind that not believing in something and replacing it with nothing isn't extra knowledge.</quote>I don't have any dog in the fight, but if you are going to argue that atheists shouldn't criticize other people because religion makes them happy, then I would just like to know if you think knowledge is less important than happiness. If you believe in something, is it more ethical to let someone live in blissful ignorance of your conclusions or make them readily aware of your conclusions, even if it makes them less happy? Knowledge of abstract concepts is a type of knowledge. Would it be unethical to make someone aware of new abstract knowledge just because it would make them less happy? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 12/26/19 2:30:54 PM #32:	Easter bunny is not found in every culture on the earth, even remote tribal ones that had 0 contact. Nor does it help as an explanation to anything. Whereas God helps explain why and where the beginning comes from. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:932081902] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>Easter bunny is not found in every culture on the earth, even remote tribal ones that had 0 contact. Nor does it help as an explanation to anything. Whereas God helps explain why and where the beginning comes from. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 12/26/19 2:37:08 PM #33:	darkphoenix181 posted... Easter bunny is not found in every culture on the earth, even remote tribal ones that had 0 contact. Nor does it help as an explanation to anything. Whereas God helps explain why and where the beginning comes from. that's a terrible comparison, considering the easter bunny is a specific being. you're conflating "god" with every higher power that could possibly exist. the western idea of god does not exist in every culture on earth. that's a disingenuous thing to say --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:932082141] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite> <quote>Easter bunny is not found in every culture on the earth, even remote tribal ones that had 0 contact. Nor does it help as an explanation to anything. Whereas God helps explain why and where the beginning comes from.</quote>that's a terrible comparison, considering the easter bunny is a specific being. you're conflating "god" with every higher power that could possibly exist. the western idea of god does not exist in every culture on earth. that's a disingenuous thing to say </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 12/26/19 2:37:55 PM #34:	ThyCorndog posted... that's a terrible comparison, considering the easter bunny is a specific being. you're conflating "god" with every higher power that could possibly exist. the western idea of god does not exist in every culture on earth. that's a disingenuous thing to say Agnosticism isn't about the western God. Duh <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:932082171] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted... </cite> <quote>that's a terrible comparison, considering the easter bunny is a specific being. you're conflating "god" with every higher power that could possibly exist. the western idea of god does not exist in every culture on earth. that's a disingenuous thing to say</quote> Agnosticism isn't about the western God. Duh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 12/26/19 2:40:11 PM #35:	darkphoenix181 posted... Agnosticism isn't about the western God. Duh it doesn't matter. there's as much proof for any particular god as there is for the easter bunny (none). agnostic atheists like myself (and I maintain what I said before about every single person in existence being agnostic, making the term redundant) don't know whether a god exists or not. we just don't believe in one. I see no reason to believe the christian idea of a god over a tribal polytheistic pantheon. so I stay neutral and don't believe in any of them --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:932082261] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite> <quote>Agnosticism isn't about the western God. Duh</quote>it doesn't matter. there's as much proof for any particular god as there is for the easter bunny (none). agnostic atheists like myself (and I maintain what I said before about every single person in existence being agnostic, making the term redundant) don't know whether a god exists or not. we just don't believe in one. I see no reason to believe the christian idea of a god over a tribal polytheistic pantheon. so I stay neutral and don't believe in any of them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArchiePeck 12/26/19 2:41:17 PM #36:	It's not so much that there is a point to it as much as it's just what some people are. Like asking "what's the point of having red hair?" <cite>ArchiePeck posted [p:932082316] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>It's not so much that there is a point to it as much as it's just what some people are. Like asking "what's the point of having red hair?" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 12/26/19 2:50:51 PM #37:	ThyCorndog posted... it doesn't matter. there's as much proof for any particular god as there is for the easter bunny (none). agnostic atheists like myself (and I maintain what I said before about every single person in existence being agnostic, making the term redundant) don't know whether a god exists or not. we just don't believe in one. I see no reason to believe the christian idea of a god over a tribal polytheistic pantheon. so I stay neutral and don't believe in any of them The point is, every culture has the idea of a creator. That is kinda odd. Is it proof? No. But it does poke holes in an idea that a creator is impossible or absolutely false. Which allows for agnosticism to form. And the easter bunny doesn't have that going for it as an idea. So the op comparison was ignorant. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:932082689] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted... </cite> <quote>it doesn't matter. there's as much proof for any particular god as there is for the easter bunny (none). agnostic atheists like myself (and I maintain what I said before about every single person in existence being agnostic, making the term redundant) don't know whether a god exists or not. we just don't believe in one. I see no reason to believe the christian idea of a god over a tribal polytheistic pantheon. so I stay neutral and don't believe in any of them</quote> The point is, every culture has the idea of a creator. That is kinda odd. Is it proof? No. But it does poke holes in an idea that a creator is impossible or absolutely false. Which allows for agnosticism to form. And the easter bunny doesn't have that going for it as an idea. So the op comparison was ignorant. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twin3Turbo 12/26/19 3:27:59 PM #38:	darkphoenix181 posted... The point is, every culture has the idea of a creator. That is kinda odd. Is it proof? No. But it does poke holes in an idea that a creator is impossible or absolutely false. Which allows for agnosticism to form. And the easter bunny doesn't have that going for it as an idea. So the op comparison was ignorant. It doesn't poke holes in anything. Every culture may not have an Easter Bunny equivalent, but every culture does have similar made up stories about different aspects of life or holidays or their culture. Just because every culture has an idea of a creator doesn't mean much, considering it's one of the most obvious and burning questions the average person with even a little bit of intelligence would have. --- https://imgur.com/PHWbltB <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:932084082] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite> <quote>The point is, every culture has the idea of a creator. That is kinda odd. Is it proof? No. But it does poke holes in an idea that a creator is impossible or absolutely false. Which allows for agnosticism to form. And the easter bunny doesn't have that going for it as an idea. So the op comparison was ignorant.</quote>It doesn't poke holes in anything. Every culture may not have an Easter Bunny equivalent, but every culture does have similar made up stories about different aspects of life or holidays or their culture. Just because every culture has an idea of a creator doesn't mean much, considering it's one of the most obvious and burning questions the average person with even a little bit of intelligence would have. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 12/26/19 3:30:25 PM #39:	Twin3Turbo posted... It doesn't poke holes in anything. Every culture may not have an Easter Bunny equivalent, but every culture does have similar made up stories about different aspects of life or holidays or their culture. Just because every culture has an idea of a creator doesn't mean much, considering it's one of the most obvious and burning questions the average person with even a little bit of intelligence would have. This plus not every origin myth involves gods --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:932084157] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>Twin3Turbo posted... </cite> <quote>It doesn't poke holes in anything. Every culture may not have an Easter Bunny equivalent, but every culture does have similar made up stories about different aspects of life or holidays or their culture. Just because every culture has an idea of a creator doesn't mean much, considering it's one of the most obvious and burning questions the average person with even a little bit of intelligence would have.</quote>This plus not every origin myth involves gods </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ic3Bullet 12/26/19 3:32:05 PM #40:	darkphoenix181 posted... The point is, every culture has the idea of a creator. That is kinda odd. Is it proof? No. But it does poke holes in an idea that a creator is impossible or absolutely false. Which allows for agnosticism to form. And the easter bunny doesn't have that going for it as an idea. So the op comparison was ignorant. It doesn't poke holes in anything. This only shows that the human mind has a desire to cling to ideas that its comfortable with. In this case, I think people feel like they matter if they believe they were created with a purpose. Therefore a person who hasn't spent a lot of time thinking about how it could work otherwise would be susceptible to remaining in their comfort zone of beliefs. <cite>Ic3Bullet posted [p:932084219] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite> <quote>The point is, every culture has the idea of a creator. That is kinda odd. Is it proof? No. But it does poke holes in an idea that a creator is impossible or absolutely false. Which allows for agnosticism to form. And the easter bunny doesn't have that going for it as an idea. So the op comparison was ignorant.</quote>It doesn't poke holes in anything. This only shows that the human mind has a desire to cling to ideas that its comfortable with. In this case, I think people feel like they matter if they believe they were created with a purpose. Therefore a person who hasn't spent a lot of time thinking about how it could work otherwise would be susceptible to remaining in their comfort zone of beliefs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ic3Bullet 12/26/19 3:33:54 PM #41:	Twin3Turbo posted... It doesn't poke holes in anything. Ic3Bullet posted... It doesn't poke holes in anything. Lol funny how our first sentence in response to that comment was the same. <cite>Ic3Bullet posted [p:932084299] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>Twin3Turbo posted... </cite> <quote>It doesn't poke holes in anything.</quote> Ic3Bullet posted... </cite> <quote>It doesn't poke holes in anything.</quote>Lol funny how our first sentence in response to that comment was the same. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 12/26/19 4:11:47 PM #42:	Pogo_Marimo posted... I don't have any dog in the fight, but if you are going to argue that atheists shouldn't criticize other people because religion makes them happy, then I would just like to know if you think knowledge is less important than happiness. If you believe in something, is it more ethical to let someone live in blissful ignorance of your conclusions or make them readily aware of your conclusions, even if it makes them less happy? Knowledge of abstract concepts is a type of knowledge. Would it be unethical to make someone aware of new abstract knowledge just because it would make them less happy? When did ethics become part of this? I thought we were talking about knowledge. And you say "let them live in blissful ignorance" like you have extra information. Which you don't. You have no proof a God doesn't exist just like religious people don't have undeniable proof that God is real. Do you know any religious people personally? And not like, is one a member of your family. I mean like, do you know a religious person you hang out with weekly/monthly one on one. Someone you really got to know? Cause I do, and believing in God definitely doesn't make his knowledge lacking anywhere else. Especially his medical field. I have a feeling you might be filling in a blank with "religious nut" --- Name checks out "Step on me now, placed on a pedestal, they find me dead" <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:932085622] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>Pogo_Marimo posted... </cite> <quote>I don't have any dog in the fight, but if you are going to argue that atheists shouldn't criticize other people because religion makes them happy, then I would just like to know if you think knowledge is less important than happiness. If you believe in something, is it more ethical to let someone live in blissful ignorance of your conclusions or make them readily aware of your conclusions, even if it makes them less happy? Knowledge of abstract concepts is a type of knowledge. Would it be unethical to make someone aware of new abstract knowledge just because it would make them less happy?</quote> When did ethics become part of this? I thought we were talking about knowledge. And you say "let them live in blissful ignorance" like you have extra information. Which you don't. You have no proof a God doesn't exist just like religious people don't have undeniable proof that God is real. Do you know any religious people personally? And not like, is one a member of your family. I mean like, do you know a religious person you hang out with weekly/monthly one on one. Someone you really got to know? Cause I do, and believing in God definitely doesn't make his knowledge lacking anywhere else. Especially his medical field. I have a feeling you might be filling in a blank with "religious nut" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 12/26/19 4:18:43 PM #43:	Lost_All_Senses posted... When did ethics become part of this? I thought we were talking about knowledge. And you say "let them live in blissful ignorance" like you have extra information. Which you don't. You have no proof a God doesn't exist just like religious people don't have undeniable proof that God is real. Do you know any religious people personally? And not like, is one a member of your family. I mean like, do you know a religious person you hang out with weekly/monthly one on one. Someone you really got to know? Cause I do, and believing in God definitely doesn't make his knowledge lacking anywhere else. Especially his medical field. I have a feeling you might be filling in a blank with "religious nut" Holy moly you are inserting a lot of extra baggage into this. I'm not touching this one. --- I presume my time here in my darkblack dragondark steel-obliterating solitude has come to its end as well. http://www.last.fm/user/Pogo92 <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:932085880] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>Lost_All_Senses posted... </cite> <quote>When did ethics become part of this? I thought we were talking about knowledge. And you say "let them live in blissful ignorance" like you have extra information. Which you don't. You have no proof a God doesn't exist just like religious people don't have undeniable proof that God is real. Do you know any religious people personally? And not like, is one a member of your family. I mean like, do you know a religious person you hang out with weekly/monthly one on one. Someone you really got to know? Cause I do, and believing in God definitely doesn't make his knowledge lacking anywhere else. Especially his medical field. I have a feeling you might be filling in a blank with "religious nut"</quote> Holy moly you are inserting a lot of extra baggage into this. I'm not touching this one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 12/26/19 4:23:23 PM #44:	Alright then. Have a good one --- Name checks out "Step on me now, placed on a pedestal, they find me dead" <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:932086064] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>Alright then. Have a good one </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GeneralKenobi85 12/26/19 4:31:32 PM #45:	Blackstar110 posted... Kinda. Agnostic isnt even really a thing, in the sense people use it at least. Gnosticism deals with knowledge, theism deals with belief. Agnostics dont know if there is a god. Atheists dont believe there is a god (and its worth noting thats not the same thing as believing there is no god, its just not believing in a god). So, given no one can KNOW, we technically are all agnostic (though some would surely declare god as a fact). Asking the question do you believe in a god should be a yes or no question, because answering no doesnt mean youre positive there isnt a god. You either believe in a specific god or you dont. The misconception is that people think being atheist means you have absolutely ruled out with 100% certainty no god exists, which is just not the case. If you dont specifically believe in a specific higher power, youre an atheist. People have conflated that word with being more hardline than it is. People also don't want to be associated with some of the more annoying/outspoken atheists out there, so they figure agnostic is a safer label to use instead. --- Ah, yes, the Negotiator: General Kenobi <sneaky beeping> <cite>GeneralKenobi85 posted [p:932086395] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>Blackstar110 posted... </cite> <quote>Kinda. Agnostic isnt even really a thing, in the sense people use it at least. Gnosticism deals with knowledge, theism deals with belief. Agnostics dont know if there is a god. Atheists dont believe there is a god (and its worth noting thats not the same thing as believing there is no god, its just not believing in a god). So, given no one can KNOW, we technically are all agnostic (though some would surely declare god as a fact). Asking the question do you believe in a god should be a yes or no question, because answering no doesnt mean youre positive there isnt a god. You either believe in a specific god or you dont. The misconception is that people think being atheist means you have absolutely ruled out with 100% certainty no god exists, which is just not the case. If you dont specifically believe in a specific higher power, youre an atheist. People have conflated that word with being more hardline than it is.</quote>People also don't want to be associated with some of the more annoying/outspoken atheists out there, so they figure agnostic is a safer label to use instead. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GeneralKenobi85 12/26/19 4:57:11 PM #46:	Veggeta_MAX posted... I have never believed in God. Not a single day in my life. I remember being in 2nd grade and going to what my school called the little church on wheels where they talked about God and thought it sounded made up. I have literally never believed in God. However ever since i was 18 and became better at thinking I realized you have to be an idiot to "know" God is fake. I have been an agnostic now for 12 years. Being an agnostic really opens your mind to possibilities, and doesnt limit your thinking. Being an agnostic you are capable of judging people based on merit and not simply label people and just write them off. I have never heard anyone else say this, but I am so NOT a believer in creation/religion i actually literally do not believe the Big Bang actually happened. My opinion on the Big Bang is that if you can actually convince me that the Big Bang is real then you just convinced me that God is real. From nothing everything came into existence? What more of a divine intervention can you even conceive? Now don't get me wrong, like anything related to theoretical science i am capable of talking about it as if it were real, but that doesnt mean I actually think it happened. Science does not discount religion, AT ALL. We used to think that science would answer all of our questions about life, the universe, and everything but as science has progressed we have only gotten more questions than answers. Anyone who knows even a little bit about quantum mechanics knows just how weird, and literally magical our modern understanding of physics is. Will we eventually have a scientific answer to quantum mechanics? Possibly. But there is no end in sight currently. But in 2019 the year of our lord science has done nothing to disprove religion. If anything it has done more to prove religion is a real possibility. It took me a long time to realize what intelligent design actually was, as this was smeared as just someone throwing a bible at you in schools, but intelligent design is an actual and legitimate scientific field of thought. Everything in intelligent design is done with the scientific method and is by definition actual science. I am not advocating for the theory itself, but it is interesting. I like learning about all sorts of things. I dont like hating people. Consider being agnostic instead of low tier IQ noob who thinks they know everything. It always frustrates me when people defend atheism harder than religious people defend their religion. Like can you not see you are acting in the exact way you claim to hate how the religious people act? Take a chill pill and realize you dont know everything Probably a troll post, but atheism isn't the same thing as anti-religion. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a higher being. There's nothing else to it. And remember, people who are anti-religion may be annoying on the internet, but compare that to the thousands of atrocities committed in the name of religion over the course of human history. --- Ah, yes, the Negotiator: General Kenobi <sneaky beeping> <cite>GeneralKenobi85 posted [p:932087430] in What's the... [t:78283253]...</cite> <quote>Veggeta_MAX posted... </cite> <quote>I have never believed in God. Not a single day in my life. I remember being in 2nd grade and going to what my school called the little church on wheels where they talked about God and thought it sounded made up. I have literally never believed in God. However ever since i was 18 and became better at thinking I realized you have to be an idiot to "know" God is fake. I have been an agnostic now for 12 years. Being an agnostic really opens your mind to possibilities, and doesnt limit your thinking. Being an agnostic you are capable of judging people based on merit and not simply label people and just write them off. I have never heard anyone else say this, but I am so NOT a believer in creation/religion i actually literally do not believe the Big Bang actually happened. My opinion on the Big Bang is that if you can actually convince me that the Big Bang is real then you just convinced me that God is real. From nothing everything came into existence? What more of a divine intervention can you even conceive? Now don't get me wrong, like anything related to theoretical science i am capable of talking about it as if it were real, but that doesnt mean I actually think it happened. Science does not discount religion, AT ALL. We used to think that science would answer all of our questions about life, the universe, and everything but as science has progressed we have only gotten more questions than answers. Anyone who knows even a little bit about quantum mechanics knows just how weird, and literally magical our modern understanding of physics is. Will we eventually have a scientific answer to quantum mechanics? Possibly. But there is no end in sight currently. But in 2019 the year of our lord science has done nothing to disprove religion. If anything it has done more to prove religion is a real possibility. It took me a long time to realize what intelligent design actually was, as this was smeared as just someone throwing a bible at you in schools, but intelligent design is an actual and legitimate scientific field of thought. Everything in intelligent design is done with the scientific method and is by definition actual science. I am not advocating for the theory itself, but it is interesting. I like learning about all sorts of things. I dont like hating people. Consider being agnostic instead of low tier IQ noob who thinks they know everything. It always frustrates me when people defend atheism harder than religious people defend their religion. Like can you not see you are acting in the exact way you claim to hate how the religious people act? Take a chill pill and realize you dont know everything</quote>Probably a troll post, but atheism isn't the same thing as anti-religion. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a higher being. There's nothing else to it. And remember, people who are anti-religion may be annoying on the internet, but compare that to the thousands of atrocities committed in the name of religion over the course of human history. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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