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Jabodie 12/23/19 1:55:03 PM #1:	So was Force healing not known to the order of 10,000 Jedi knights? Wouldn't Anakin's quest to "stop people from dying" end up much more quickly at learning to use Force healing to do just that? Since that power would have literally stopped his mom from dying if he had it? Wouldn't it be widely used by Jedi in the middle of a war, where such a power would be extremely helpful? Doesn't that make Anakin's whole motivation for going to the Dark Side nonsense? Anakin: I'll become the most powerful Jedi ever. I'll even learn to how to stop people from dying! Obi-Wan: Let me refer you to Master Aayla Secura, she is a specialist in Force transfer healing which does just that! That'll get you sorted. Or is Force healing actually a Dark Side power? --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:931967813] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>So was Force healing not known to the order of 10,000 Jedi knights? Wouldn't Anakin's quest to "stop people from dying" end up much more quickly at learning to use Force healing to do just that? Since that power would have literally stopped his mom from dying if he had it? Wouldn't it be widely used by Jedi in the middle of a war, where such a power would be extremely helpful? Doesn't that make Anakin's whole motivation for going to the Dark Side nonsense? Anakin: I'll become the most powerful Jedi ever. I'll even learn to how to stop people from dying! Obi-Wan: Let me refer you to Master Aayla Secura, she is a specialist in Force transfer healing which does just that! That'll get you sorted. Or is Force healing actually a Dark Side power? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
refmon 12/23/19 1:55:54 PM #2:	they come up with new force powers in the PT as well. Relax. --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! <cite>refmon posted [p:931967839] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>they come up with new force powers in the PT as well. Relax. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 12/23/19 1:57:13 PM #3:	Maybe only some people can use force healing? We've seen spoilers for whole franchise ~~Rey~~ ~~Kylo~~ ~~Baby Yoda~~ use it recently. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:931967889] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>Maybe only some people can use force healing? We've seen spoilers for whole franchise Rey Kylo Baby Yoda use it recently.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 12/23/19 1:58:19 PM #4:	Return of the Jedi makes gaping plot hole in Star Wars? Sith Lightning was never mentioned before! Fuck George Lucas! --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:931967925] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>Return of the Jedi makes gaping plot hole in Star Wars? Sith Lightning was never mentioned before! Fuck George Lucas! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 12/23/19 1:59:03 PM #5:	refmon posted... they come up with new force powers in the PT as well. Relax. This isn't about new Force powers. It's the fact that the entire fall of Anakin hinges on the idea that he wants to stop his loved ones from dying. Can he learn such a power? "Not from a Jedi." That is to say, if this power exists, the entirety of Darth Vader as a character doesn't make sense. Then Rey stops Ben from dying. Then Ben stops Rey from dying. And apparently it's not even a big secret, she just "transfers some Force energy" to the snake to keep it form dying. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:931967946] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>refmon posted... </cite> <quote>they come up with new force powers in the PT as well. Relax.</quote>This isn't about new Force powers. It's the fact that the entire fall of Anakin hinges on the idea that he wants to stop his loved ones from dying. Can he learn such a power? "Not from a Jedi." That is to say, if this power exists, the entirety of Darth Vader as a character doesn't make sense. Then Rey stops Ben from dying. Then Ben stops Rey from dying. And apparently it's not even a big secret, she just "transfers some Force energy" to the snake to keep it form dying. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AvantgardeAClue 12/23/19 1:59:07 PM #6:	What's that? The movie negates Vader's entire character in a single move? Who saw this coming? LET tHe pAsT diE kILL IT If you HaVE to --- Sometimes I say things and I'm not voice acting. <cite>AvantgardeAClue posted [p:931967951] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>What's that? The movie negates Vader's entire character in a single move? Who saw this coming? LET tHe pAsT diE kILL IT If you HaVE to </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 12/23/19 1:59:52 PM #7:	I'm gonna watch the whole series over a weekend once I get the 4K boxed set, then I'm going to kiss the franchise and its fanbase goodbye until they decide to reboot it again. --- If it hadn't been for you, i would be now in someone else's digestion! <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:931967974] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>I'm gonna watch the whole series over a weekend once I get the 4K boxed set, then I'm going to kiss the franchise and its fanbase goodbye until they decide to reboot it again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Inigo 12/23/19 2:01:22 PM #8:	Jabodie posted... This isn't about new Force powers. It's the fact that the entire fall of Anakin hinges on the idea that he wants to stop his loved ones from dying. Can he learn such a power? "Not from a Jedi." That is to say, if this power exists, the entirety of Darth Vader as a character doesn't make sense. Then Rey stops Ben from dying. Then Ben stops Rey from dying. And apparently it's not even a big secret, she just "transfers some Force energy" to the snake to keep it form dying. Palpatine was playing Anakin. Cmon man. Anakin did not even attempt to ask Obi-wan for help. There likely was a way for the jedi to help her but that would mean exposing his secret. --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:931968047] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>Jabodie posted... </cite> <quote>This isn't about new Force powers. It's the fact that the entire fall of Anakin hinges on the idea that he wants to stop his loved ones from dying. Can he learn such a power? "Not from a Jedi." That is to say, if this power exists, the entirety of Darth Vader as a character doesn't make sense. Then Rey stops Ben from dying. Then Ben stops Rey from dying. And apparently it's not even a big secret, she just "transfers some Force energy" to the snake to keep it form dying.</quote>Palpatine was playing Anakin. Cmon man. Anakin did not even attempt to ask Obi-wan for help. There likely was a way for the jedi to help her but that would mean exposing his secret. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AvantgardeAClue 12/23/19 2:01:33 PM #9:	IShall_Run_Amok posted... I'm gonna watch the whole series over a weekend once I get the 4K boxed set, then I'm going to kiss the franchise and its fanbase goodbye until they decide to reboot it again. Better get the complete set before the new "complete" set comes with the Disney trilogy I was thinking of doing the same --- Sometimes I say things and I'm not voice acting. <cite>AvantgardeAClue posted [p:931968056] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted... </cite> <quote>I'm gonna watch the whole series over a weekend once I get the 4K boxed set, then I'm going to kiss the franchise and its fanbase goodbye until they decide to reboot it again.</quote> Better get the complete set before the new "complete" set comes with the Disney trilogy I was thinking of doing the same </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 12/23/19 2:01:51 PM #10:	ASithLord7 posted... Return of the Jedi makes gaping plot hole in Star Wars? Sith Lightning was never mentioned before! Fuck George Lucas! So where would Sith lightning change the entire course of a character's life like this power obviously would with Anakin? --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:931968067] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>ASithLord7 posted... </cite> <quote>Return of the Jedi makes gaping plot hole in Star Wars? Sith Lightning was never mentioned before! Fuck George Lucas!</quote>So where would Sith lightning change the entire course of a character's life like this power obviously would with Anakin? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 12/23/19 2:02:11 PM #11:	Jabodie posted... This isn't about new Force powers. It's the fact that the entire fall of Anakin hinges on the idea that he wants to stop his loved ones from dying. Can he learn such a power? "Not from a Jedi." That is to say, if this power exists, the entirety of Darth Vader as a character doesn't make sense. Then Rey stops Ben from dying. Then Ben stops Rey from dying. And apparently it's not even a big secret, she just "transfers some Force energy" to the snake to keep it form dying. A) The whole point of ROTS is Sidious manipulating Anakin to fall to the Dark Side. Do you think he's going to fucking tell him about this if he knew about it? B) Anakin didn't go around telling people about his fears really. --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:931968085] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>Jabodie posted... </cite> <quote>This isn't about new Force powers. It's the fact that the entire fall of Anakin hinges on the idea that he wants to stop his loved ones from dying. Can he learn such a power? "Not from a Jedi." That is to say, if this power exists, the entirety of Darth Vader as a character doesn't make sense. Then Rey stops Ben from dying. Then Ben stops Rey from dying. And apparently it's not even a big secret, she just "transfers some Force energy" to the snake to keep it form dying.</quote>A) The whole point of ROTS is Sidious manipulating Anakin to fall to the Dark Side. Do you think he's going to fucking tell him about this if he knew about it? B) Anakin didn't go around telling people about his fears really. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XplodnPnguins92 12/23/19 2:02:18 PM #12:	thank god they sequel trilogy doesn't have "episode" in their names. my complete 6-movie set still feels complete. --- https://imgur.com/Dn9vLMi <cite>XplodnPnguins92 posted [p:931968091] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>thank god they sequel trilogy doesn't have "episode" in their names. my complete 6-movie set still feels complete. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 12/23/19 2:02:39 PM #13:	Blue_Inigo posted... Palpatine was playing Anakin. Cmon man. Anakin did not even attempt to ask Obi-wan for help. There likely was a way for the jedi to help her but that would mean exposing his secret. Nah man, clearly Sidious had Anakin's best interests at heart and would have told him to go to the Jedi for help and not turn him. --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:931968108] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>Blue_Inigo posted... </cite> <quote>Palpatine was playing Anakin. Cmon man. Anakin did not even attempt to ask Obi-wan for help. There likely was a way for the jedi to help her but that would mean exposing his secret.</quote>Nah man, clearly Sidious had Anakin's best interests at heart and would have told him to go to the Jedi for help and not turn him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 12/23/19 2:04:01 PM #14:	Blue_Inigo posted... Palpatine was playing Anakin. Cmon man. Anakin did not even attempt to ask Obi-wan for help. There likely was a way for the jedi to help her but that would mean exposing his secret. So in the course of the entirety of the Clone War, nobody ever mentioned that Jedi could Force heal? That wouldn't have been common knowledge, since (presumably) literally anyone that could do it would do it liberally? Anakin, a hero among the Jedi, whose best friend was on the Council itself, who surely poured over the Jedi Archives to learn how to stop people from dying, never heard of Force heal? The only explanation that could make sense is that Rey is the first person in over a thousand years to do it. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:931968161] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>Blue_Inigo posted... </cite> <quote>Palpatine was playing Anakin. Cmon man. Anakin did not even attempt to ask Obi-wan for help. There likely was a way for the jedi to help her but that would mean exposing his secret.</quote>So in the course of the entirety of the Clone War, nobody ever mentioned that Jedi could Force heal? That wouldn't have been common knowledge, since (presumably) literally anyone that could do it would do it liberally? Anakin, a hero among the Jedi, whose best friend was on the Council itself, who surely poured over the Jedi Archives to learn how to stop people from dying, never heard of Force heal? The only explanation that could make sense is that Rey is the first person in over a thousand years to do it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 12/23/19 2:08:00 PM #15:	It may well just be a rare Force ability. Not all Force-users can commune with/control animals, but a few like Ezra are especially gifted with it. --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:931968286] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>It may well just be a rare Force ability. Not all Force-users can commune with/control animals, but a few like Ezra are especially gifted with it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 12/23/19 2:11:18 PM #16:	ASithLord7 posted... It may well just be a rare Force ability. Not all Force-users can commune with/control animals, but a few like Ezra are especially gifted with it. It sure as shit doesn't seem rare in RoS when both Rey and Kylo pull it out of their ass <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:931968399] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote>It may well just be a rare Force ability. Not all Force-users can commune with/control animals, but a few like Ezra are especially gifted with it. </quote> It sure as shit doesn't seem rare in RoS when both Rey and Kylo pull it out of their ass</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 12/23/19 2:13:38 PM #17:	ASithLord7 posted... A) The whole point of ROTS is Sidious manipulating Anakin to fall to the Dark Side. Do you think he's going to fucking tell him about this if he knew about it? B) Anakin didn't go around telling people about his fears really. Obi-Wan knew about Anakin's dream about his mother. If he wanted to learn to stop people from dying, why would the first person he asks not be his Master? In III he has clearly looked for a way to do it. Even if Palpatine deleted healing from the archives, baby Yoda could do it naturally. Are you telling me baby Yoda can do it naturally, where 10,000 Jedi knights could not? Where such a power would at least be attempted many times throughout a war? And presumably Rey learned Force healing from Leia, who presumably learned it from Luke. Did Luke not learn it from previous Jedi? Would he not have either 1) learned it from Obi-Wan/Yoda beyond the grave or 2) learned it from a Jedi source of knowledge? If he could, how could all record of it not exist for Anakin, since new knowledge and records ended when he destroyed them? ASithLord7 posted... It may well just be a rare Force ability. Not all Force-users can commune with/control animals, but a few like Ezra are especially gifted with it. Maybe. But it's hard to buy that Anakin couldn't do it when he has the highest Force "power level" in the series. DarthAragorn posted... It sure as shit doesn't seem rare in RoS when both Rey and Kylo pull it out of their ass Well Kylo learned it the way I think Rey learned things in TFA from Kylo: their connection as a dyad. When Rey used it on Kylo, he got the knowledge himself. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:931968490] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>ASithLord7 posted... </cite>A) The whole point of ROTS is Sidious manipulating Anakin to fall to the Dark Side. Do you think he's going to fucking tell him about this if he knew about it? <quote>B) Anakin didn't go around telling people about his fears really.</quote>Obi-Wan knew about Anakin's dream about his mother. If he wanted to learn to stop people from dying, why would the first person he asks not be his Master? In III he has clearly looked for a way to do it. Even if Palpatine deleted healing from the archives, baby Yoda could do it naturally. Are you telling me baby Yoda can do it naturally, where 10,000 Jedi knights could not? Where such a power would at least be attempted many times throughout a war? And presumably Rey learned Force healing from Leia, who presumably learned it from Luke. Did Luke not learn it from previous Jedi? Would he not have either 1) learned it from Obi-Wan/Yoda beyond the grave or 2) learned it from a Jedi source of knowledge? If he could, how could all record of it not exist for Anakin, since new knowledge and records ended when he destroyed them? ASithLord7 posted... </cite> <quote>It may well just be a rare Force ability. Not all Force-users can commune with/control animals, but a few like Ezra are especially gifted with it.</quote>Maybe. But it's hard to buy that Anakin couldn't do it when he has the highest Force "power level" in the series. DarthAragorn posted... </cite> <quote>It sure as shit doesn't seem rare in RoS when both Rey and Kylo pull it out of their ass</quote>Well Kylo learned it the way I think Rey learned things in TFA from Kylo: their connection as a dyad. When Rey used it on Kylo, he got the knowledge himself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 12/23/19 2:15:12 PM #18:	I'd like to add that I don't think this ruins SW or anything. I made the topic title more sensational than my previous one, since I made a less angry sounding topic and nobody posted. I just wanted to discuss lore. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:931968548] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>I'd like to add that I don't think this ruins SW or anything. I made the topic title more sensational than my previous one, since I made a less angry sounding topic and nobody posted. I just wanted to discuss lore. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 12/23/19 2:15:20 PM #19:	Maybe after Vader became a thing, the remaining Jedi were like "man, we really should teach people how to use this" --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:931968554] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>Maybe after Vader became a thing, the remaining Jedi were like "man, we really should teach people how to use this" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 12/23/19 2:15:30 PM #20:	What if Baby Yoda is Rey's dad --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:931968557] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>What if Baby Yoda is Rey's dad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 12/23/19 2:16:57 PM #21:	Med robot: "I'm afraid... we're losing her. She seems to have lost the will to live." Obi-Wan: "Damn! I knew I should have studied harder in my Force healing classes. Especially after that business with Qui-Gon." --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:931968604] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>Med robot: "I'm afraid... we're losing her. She seems to have lost the will to live." Obi-Wan: "Damn! I knew I should have studied harder in my Force healing classes. Especially after that business with Qui-Gon." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 12/23/19 2:20:27 PM #22:	I think they're going to have to give Force Healing the Force Ghost treatment, where you have to fulfill special requirements to do it. And potentially that Rey (or Luke) did rediscover the art in some unseen adventure, and the ability had been forgotten for over 1000 years or something. Probably the easiest solution to fix the continuity. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:931968736] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>I think they're going to have to give Force Healing the Force Ghost treatment, where you have to fulfill special requirements to do it. And potentially that Rey (or Luke) did rediscover the art in some unseen adventure, and the ability had been forgotten for over 1000 years or something. Probably the easiest solution to fix the continuity. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 12/23/19 2:21:49 PM #24:	Jabodie posted... Med robot: "I'm afraid... we're losing her. She seems to have lost the will to live." Obi-Wan: "Damn! I knew I should have studied harder in my Force healing classes." Fuck, I really should have put a point into Heal. What was I thinking? --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:931968777] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>Jabodie posted...</cite> <quote>Med robot: "I'm afraid... we're losing her. She seems to have lost the will to live." Obi-Wan: "Damn! I knew I should have studied harder in my Force healing classes." </quote> Fuck, I really should have put a point into Heal. What was I thinking?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 12/23/19 2:24:01 PM #25:	I don't think there's anything more deep to it than 'the dudes who made the movie thought it would be convenient'. But I guess if you wanted to stretch it, one might say that this knowledge is something that Rey picked up from the ancient Jedi texts, which for some reason were not read by the Jedi 60+ years earlier. --- If it hadn't been for you, i would be now in someone else's digestion! <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:931968858] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>I don't think there's anything more deep to it than 'the dudes who made the movie thought it would be convenient'. But I guess if you wanted to stretch it, one might say that this knowledge is something that Rey picked up from the ancient Jedi texts, which for some reason were not read by the Jedi 60+ years earlier. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 12/23/19 2:24:44 PM #26:	PrideOfLion posted... Isn't the point of the PT to show that the Jedi order had become stifled? Perhaps it wasn't known to the Order and no one tried to learn about it because they were stuck in the old ways IShall_Run_Amok posted... I don't think there's anything more deep to it than 'the dudes who made the movie thought it would be convenient'. But I guess if you wanted to stretch it, one might say that this knowledge is something that Rey picked up from the ancient Jedi texts, which for some reason were not read by the Jedi 60+ years earlier. Even so, I think there will have to be extra requirements to use the power in the EU. As shown, force healing is very powerful and basically nobody should die in the presence of one unless by explosion or maybe headshot. You can't give emotional moments of people dying in force users arms without "why did s/he just force heal?" without some "this is especially dark magic killing him/her" or some special requirement to use the power. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:931968882] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>PrideOfLion posted... </cite> <quote>Isn't the point of the PT to show that the Jedi order had become stifled? Perhaps it wasn't known to the Order and no one tried to learn about it because they were stuck in the old ways</quote> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted... </cite>I don't think there's anything more deep to it than 'the dudes who made the movie thought it would be convenient'. But I guess if you wanted to stretch it, one might say that this knowledge is something that Rey picked up from the ancient Jedi texts, which for some reason were not read by the Jedi 60+ years earlier.</quote> Even so, I think there will have to be extra requirements to use the power in the EU. As shown, force healing is very powerful and basically nobody should die in the presence of one unless by explosion or maybe headshot. You can't give emotional moments of people dying in force users arms without "why did s/he just force heal?" without some "this is especially dark magic killing him/her" or some special requirement to use the power. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lairen 12/23/19 2:27:41 PM #27:	Ok so why the moment anakins vader he becomes a souless obedient dog. Vader: "So when are you going to teach me how to save padme?" Palpatine: "Lil busy today, maybe tomorrow" --- When it rains, it pours. <cite>Lairen posted [p:931969006] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>Ok so why the moment anakins vader he becomes a souless obedient dog. Vader: "So when are you going to teach me how to save padme?" Palpatine: "Lil busy today, maybe tomorrow" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 12/23/19 2:30:22 PM #28:	Don't ask questions. Just consume product and then get excited for next product. --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:931969096] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>Don't ask questions. Just consume product and then get excited for next product. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sylverlolol 12/23/19 2:31:23 PM #29:	So do the people bitching about this hate The Mandalorian as much considering ~~Baby Yoda~~ did it first? --- This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. <cite>sylverlolol posted [p:931969129] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>So do the people bitching about this hate The Mandalorian as much considering Baby Yoda did it first? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 12/23/19 2:39:11 PM #30:	sylverlolol posted... So do the people bitching about this hate The Mandalorian as much considering ~~Baby Yoda~~ did it first? Well I've brought it up a couple times in this topic. But this isn't about "new powers!" In fact, I rather liked the whole Force dyad thing and the weird lightsaber instant transmission stuff. And I don't mind Force healing in concept, but it needs to essentially be equivalent to Jedi/Force miracle work for it to make sense with the PT. Which I can accept with baby Yoda due to how much the leftover Imperials want him. But when Rey can also do it too? Either they are both literal miracles or this is not a power that is all that special. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:931969416] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>sylverlolol posted... </cite> So do the people bitching about this hate The Mandalorian as much considering Baby Yoda did it first? Well I've brought it up a couple times in this topic. But this isn't about "new powers!" In fact, I rather liked the whole Force dyad thing and the weird lightsaber instant transmission stuff. And I don't mind Force healing in concept, but it needs to essentially be equivalent to Jedi/Force miracle work for it to make sense with the PT. Which I can accept with baby Yoda due to how much the leftover Imperials want him. But when Rey can also do it too? Either they are both literal miracles or this is not a power that is all that special. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 12/23/19 2:40:02 PM #31:	sylverlolol posted... So do the people bitching about this hate The Mandalorian as much considering ~~Baby Yoda~~ did it first? Nope, all the fans love the Mandalorian unconditionally for some reason (and hey, it's a great show but doesn't get the same critical eye as these movies). But, then, most fans loved TROS too, the vocal minority of turbonerds just gets easily upset. --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:931969447] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>sylverlolol posted... </cite> <quote>So do the people bitching about this hate The Mandalorian as much considering Baby Yoda did it first?</quote>Nope, all the fans love the Mandalorian unconditionally for some reason (and hey, it's a great show but doesn't get the same critical eye as these movies). But, then, most fans loved TROS too, the vocal minority of turbonerds just gets easily upset. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AvantgardeAClue 12/23/19 2:44:19 PM #32:	Let's be real here. The only reason this power exists is because JJ wanted some sort of tension in this squeaky clean story, but without the actual threat of Rey dying for real --- Sometimes I say things and I'm not voice acting. <cite>AvantgardeAClue posted [p:931969603] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>Let's be real here. The only reason this power exists is because JJ wanted some sort of tension in this squeaky clean story, but without the actual threat of Rey dying for real </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 12/23/19 2:45:07 PM #33:	TRoS is alright. But it's clear that when thinking about this plot element, no thought was given about the "Skywalker Saga" as a whole. I'm sure people who do think about these things will fix it in the EU, so that this will be justified in the fourth paragraph of Chapter 5 of some book. Or in some episode of the Resistance show. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:931969642] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>TRoS is alright. But it's clear that when thinking about this plot element, no thought was given about the "Skywalker Saga" as a whole. I'm sure people who do think about these things will fix it in the EU, so that this will be justified in the fourth paragraph of Chapter 5 of some book. Or in some episode of the Resistance show. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sylverlolol 12/23/19 2:46:25 PM #34:	Jabodie posted... So do the people bitching about this hate The Mandalorian as much considering ~~Baby Yoda~~ did it first? Well I've brought it up a couple times in this topic. But this isn't about "new powers!" In fact, I rather liked the whole Force dyad thing and the weird lightsaber instant transmission stuff. And I don't mind Force healing in concept, but it needs to essentially be equivalent to Jedi/Force miracle work for it to make sense with the PT. Which I can accept with baby Yoda due to how much the leftover Imperials want him. But when Rey can also do it too? Either they are both literal miracles or this is not a power that is all that special. Well Id imagine that even if the Jedi did know about it, they probably would have locked knowledge of it away since it involved transferring your life force into the other to heal them and could ultimately kill you. Not very handy in war either, really, if you think about it. --- This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. <cite>sylverlolol posted [p:931969692] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>Jabodie posted... </cite> <quote>So do the people bitching about this hate The Mandalorian as much considering Baby Yoda did it first? Well I've brought it up a couple times in this topic. But this isn't about "new powers!" In fact, I rather liked the whole Force dyad thing and the weird lightsaber instant transmission stuff. And I don't mind Force healing in concept, but it needs to essentially be equivalent to Jedi/Force miracle work for it to make sense with the PT. Which I can accept with baby Yoda due to how much the leftover Imperials want him. But when Rey can also do it too? Either they are both literal miracles or this is not a power that is all that special.</quote> Well Id imagine that even if the Jedi did know about it, they probably would have locked knowledge of it away since it involved transferring your life force into the other to heal them and could ultimately kill you. Not very handy in war either, really, if you think about it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 12/23/19 2:47:08 PM #35:	Also Force healing was a thing in the old EU and none of the Legends-stanning turbonerds had a problem with it :thinkingemoji: --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:931969728] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>Also Force healing was a thing in the old EU and none of the Legends-stanning turbonerds had a problem with it :thinkingemoji: </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 12/23/19 2:52:53 PM #36:	sylverlolol posted... Well Id imagine that even if the Jedi did know about it, they probably would have locked knowledge of it away since it involved transferring your life force into the other to heal them and could ultimately kill you. Not very handy in war either, really, if you think about it. Didn't kill Rey when she healed a big fucking hole in Kylo. So you can heal nonfatal injuries to bring soldiers/officers back into the fray? Seems extremely handy in a war. And would it not be in the Jedi's nature to sacrifice themselves for others? I'm fairly sure self sacrifice for the greater good are literally what the Jedi stand for. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:931969979] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>sylverlolol posted... </cite> <quote>Well Id imagine that even if the Jedi did know about it, they probably would have locked knowledge of it away since it involved transferring your life force into the other to heal them and could ultimately kill you. Not very handy in war either, really, if you think about it.</quote>Didn't kill Rey when she healed a big fucking hole in Kylo. So you can heal nonfatal injuries to bring soldiers/officers back into the fray? Seems extremely handy in a war. And would it not be in the Jedi's nature to sacrifice themselves for others? I'm fairly sure self sacrifice for the greater good are literally what the Jedi stand for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jabodie 12/23/19 2:53:29 PM #38:	ASithLord7 posted... Also Force healing was a thing in the old EU and none of the Legends-stanning turbonerds had a problem with it :thinkingemoji: I'm not a fan of all that Legends nonsense tbh. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:931970008] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>ASithLord7 posted... </cite> <quote>Also Force healing was a thing in the old EU and none of the Legends-stanning turbonerds had a problem with it :thinkingemoji:</quote>I'm not a fan of all that Legends nonsense tbh. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jabodie 12/23/19 2:55:32 PM #40:	"I will become the most powerful Jedi ever. I'll even learn to stop people from dying." Reylo confirmed most powerful Jedis ever. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:931970097] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>"I will become the most powerful Jedi ever. I'll even learn to stop people from dying." Reylo confirmed most powerful Jedis ever. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 12/23/19 2:56:39 PM #41:	Gladius_ posted... Once upon a time the EU was Canon. Now parts of it are being Canon again. The EU also brought forward lightsaber styles which are also in Disney Canon now. More and more legends material and lore will likely become canon here on out. So legend explanations to certain things will work in context with some disney explanations. Give or take of course. Force Healing is back in with now force resurrection. Yes, but that was back when there were levels of canon. Disney was supposedly going to keep a consistent canon. And I will critique those elements as they are introduced as well if I'm so inclined. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:931970139] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>Gladius_ posted... </cite> <quote>Once upon a time the EU was Canon. Now parts of it are being Canon again. The EU also brought forward lightsaber styles which are also in Disney Canon now. More and more legends material and lore will likely become canon here on out. So legend explanations to certain things will work in context with some disney explanations. Give or take of course. Force Healing is back in with now force resurrection.</quote>Yes, but that was back when there were levels of canon. Disney was supposedly going to keep a consistent canon. And I will critique those elements as they are introduced as well if I'm so inclined. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ASithLord7 12/23/19 3:00:09 PM #43:	The old EU was never canon. --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:931970277] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>The old EU was never canon. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 12/23/19 3:01:14 PM #44:	ASithLord7 posted... The old EU was never canon. The policy was "canon unless stated otherwise by the films," wasn't it? --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:931970325] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote>The old EU was never canon. </quote> The policy was "canon unless stated otherwise by the films," wasn't it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 12/23/19 3:02:16 PM #45:	Gladius_ posted... Which is in your right. Not knocking you and we're all fans of a franchise that involves glowy swords that slice through things, sound in space, and a highly technologically advanced setting with it's own form of magic. :) So critique away. Just providing my thoughts. I'll say it again more clearly: I don't think this ruins TRoS or anything. Just that this is an issue which now needs new rules to solve in the EU. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:931970367] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>Gladius_ posted... </cite> <quote>Which is in your right. Not knocking you and we're all fans of a franchise that involves glowy swords that slice through things, sound in space, and a highly technologically advanced setting with it's own form of magic. :) So critique away. Just providing my thoughts.</quote>I'll say it again more clearly: I don't think this ruins TRoS or anything. Just that this is an issue which now needs new rules to solve in the EU. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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dave_is_slick 12/23/19 3:06:26 PM #47:	UnholyMudcrab posted... The policy was "canon unless stated otherwise by the films," wasn't it? Yep --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:931970534] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite> <quote>The policy was "canon unless stated otherwise by the films," wasn't it?</quote>Yep </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 12/23/19 3:14:21 PM #48:	Also, there are other little incongruities with the EU and the main movies. For instance, Quinlan Vos has the power to see memories through objects, and the guy from Jedi Fallen Order does too. Why didn't Obi-Wan find a Jedi that could use that power in Episode 2 to find out where the poison dart came from? Or is there some limitation to the power that would have stopped it? --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:931970827] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>Also, there are other little incongruities with the EU and the main movies. For instance, Quinlan Vos has the power to see memories through objects, and the guy from Jedi Fallen Order does too. Why didn't Obi-Wan find a Jedi that could use that power in Episode 2 to find out where the poison dart came from? Or is there some limitation to the power that would have stopped it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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dave_is_slick 12/23/19 3:21:29 PM #50:	Jabodie posted... Also, there are other little incongruities with the EU and the main movies. For instance, Quinlan Vos has the power to see memories through objects, and the guy from Jedi Fallen Order does too. Why didn't Obi-Wan find a Jedi that could use that power in Episode 2 to find out where the poison dart came from? Or is there some limitation to the power that would have stopped it? In Fallen Order it's outright stated to be rare. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:931971103] in TRoS makes... [t:78276863]...</cite> <quote>Jabodie posted... </cite> <quote>Also, there are other little incongruities with the EU and the main movies. For instance, Quinlan Vos has the power to see memories through objects, and the guy from Jedi Fallen Order does too. Why didn't Obi-Wan find a Jedi that could use that power in Episode 2 to find out where the poison dart came from? Or is there some limitation to the power that would have stopped it?</quote>In Fallen Order it's outright stated to be rare. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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