Current Events > Who was the biggest villain to the Star Wars franchise?

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I have to go with KK for wasting so much potential, though I havent seen RoS yet.

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George for the PT and then selling to the evil empire

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I may have gone too far in a few places.

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KK>The Fandom>Rian Johnson

JJ Abrams did exactly what you would expect JJ to do.

Mystery boxes and not knowing how to end anything

Disney easily.

Fuck off with the movies if you want but there is no forgiving the closure of Lucas arts and then handing off all the games projects to EA who fucked everything up & in the shuffle Star Wars 1313 got cancelled.

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George fucking Lucas.

The fuckery really started with the prequels, and his editing of the OT

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Kathleen Kennedy gets the most blame because she is the head of Lucasfilm and the responsibility rests on her. Its clear she had no plan. Shes an absolute terrible leader.

Rian and JJ share equal responsibility because their shitty movies were made completely reactionary to each other. TFA was meh and only has grown retroactively worse in time.

The fans did nothing wrong and Lucas did nothing wrong except sell to Disney. Say what you want about the prequels but at least he had a cohesive artistic vision for the trilogy.

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LethalAffinity posted...

The fans did nothing wrong

Fucking lol

MagnusX posted...

Fucking lol

Explain? Should fans just blindly consume shitty movies? You could argue the fans who hated the prequels inspired Lucas to sell to Disney sure, but that decision was his only.

Its an unpopular opinion still but we really didnt know how good we had it with the prequels until it was too late.

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I like how people bend over backwards to blame the female in the equation and not the people actually responsible for story and production

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Doom_Art posted...

I like how people bend over backwards to blame the female in the equation and not the people actually responsible for story and production

You do realize Kennedy is a producer and its her job to oversee these movies to completion? You understand it was her who fired the original directors of Solo when most of the movie was already finished right? Not exactly a sign of a strong leader with a vision.

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Doom_Art posted...

I like how people bend over backwards to blame the female

Shut the fuck up.

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LethalAffinity posted...

its her job to oversee these movies to completion?

I mean the issues most people have an issue with, namely writing, story, and editing aren't exactly a producer's job

LethalAffinity posted...

You understand it was her who fired the original directors of Solo when most of the movie was already finished right?

Can you explain the reasons behind the firing

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LethalAffinity posted...

You do realize Kennedy is a producer and its her job to oversee these movies to completion? You understand it was her who fired the original directors of Solo when most of the movie was already finished right? Not exactly a sign of a strong leader with a vision.

Kathleen Kennedy may have not had a long term vision but that's irrelevant given that every individual movie was bad. That can't be blamed on her. Disney told her to make 1 film every fucking year ready for Christmas and she did. If she stopped to question every stupid story element, that schedule would never be met.

So maybe you don't like the movies but she did what she was supposed to and is acting in good faith for her job.

The problem is Disney. Not Kennedy.

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Tbh if anyone I'd blame Bob Iger

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Doom_Art posted...

Tbh if anyone I'd blame Bob Iger

Yes, this is basically it.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Kathleen Kennedy may have not had a long term vision but that's irrelevant given that every individual movie was bad. That can't be blamed on her. Disney told her to make 1 film every fucking year ready for Christmas and she did. If she stopped to question every stupid story element, that schedule would never be met.

So maybe you don't like the movies but she did what she was supposed to and is acting in good faith for her job.

The problem is Disney. Not Kennedy.

Of course I can blame her as well as Disney. They had no overarching story for these movies. That falls on the Lucasfilm story group, which Kennedy also oversees as president of the company. They handed the job to Rian Johnson and basically gave him full reign over what happens next. Most hated it so JJ tried to course correct only to end the series with perhaps the messiest installment.

Doom_Art posted...

I mean the issues most people have an issue with, namely writing, story, and editing aren't exactly a producer's job

Can you explain the reasons behind the firing

No but she did green light every bad decision in the movies. She sat in a boardroom with Rian Johnson and believed what they did to Luke in TLJ would go over well with fans. Disney and KK thought Star Wars would be a huge hit solely based off of brand recognition and now look at where things have fallen. The IP has devalued due to poor merchandise sales, lack of investment in video games (seriously wtf have the games been? Fallen Order is a good start but its been five years of nothing) and a weakened perception of the movies themselves.

And I think Lord and Miller were fired because Solo was too funny

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LethalAffinity posted...

but she did green light every bad decision in the movies

Story isn't a producer's area

LethalAffinity posted...

Disney and KK thought Star Wars would be a huge hit solely based off of brand recognition

They weren't wrong lol

LethalAffinity posted...

poor merchandise sales, lack of investment in video games

Iunno if that's a producer's area either


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LethalAffinity posted...

I think Lord and Miller were fired because Solo was too funny

Do you think or is that the actual reason

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Doom_Art posted...

Story isn't a producer's area

She's exercises total executive control over literally any and everything within the franchise.

She's George Lucas before he sold Star Wars to Disney.

She's the JK Rowling of the Wizarding World

But shes a woman, so she should be free from blame.

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MachineJaipur posted...

JJ Abrams did exactly what you would expect JJ to do.

Mystery boxes and not knowing how to end anything

That doesn't make him not a villian though. He is more culpable than Rian imo

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Doom_Art posted...

I like how people bend over backwards to blame the female in the equation and not the people actually responsible for story and production

There you go again

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My ass

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The part of the fandom that puts Star Wars on such an incredibly high pedestal that it can rarely if ever reach.

But also whoever came up with Jedi Rocks.

ThanksUglyGod posted...

The part of the fandom that puts Star Wars on such an incredibly high pedestal that it can rarely if ever reach.

but this is the real evil.

The fandom is the Palpatine behind the scenes pulling the strings of their own demise and disappointment.

ThanksUglyGod posted...

The part of the fandom that puts Star Wars on such an incredibly high pedestal that it can rarely if ever reach.

But also whoever came up with Jedi Rocks.

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The fandom. Shitty movies (or good movies, as is sometimes the case) are no big deal and an every day occurrence that hurts no one. Fans are the perpetrators, and usually also victims, of their own crummy social circles, which is much worse than any bad movie.

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LethalAffinity posted...

Say what you want about the prequels but at least he had a cohesive artistic vision for the trilogy.

For me, the greatest twist in SW is finding out that an individual's terribly executed vision is still better than a soulless, corporate clusterfuck.

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The "fans." Bunch of toxic psycho manchildren who chased Lucas away from his life's work and now cry they want him back

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I'm increasingly seeing the logic behind picking the fandom here as days go by.

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ledbowman posted...

The "fans." Bunch of toxic psycho manchildren who chased Lucas away from his life's work and now cry they want him back

Seriously I feel bad for them

Back in like 2010 some reporter asked if he was ever planning on doing more (at the time he wasn't) and his response was basically "Why would I go through the effort of making more if people are just going to hate them tell me I'm a horrible person for making them?"

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the fanbase at large is worse than all of them combined

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Disney easily.

Fuck off with the movies if you want but there is no forgiving the closure of Lucas arts and then handing off all the games projects to EA who fucked everything up & in the shuffle Star Wars 1313 got cancelled.

Couldn't agree more. Lucas Arts' line up might not have had a perfect track record but they tried new things and often brought us games like the Jedi Knight series, Pod Racers, Rogue Squadron and many more.

With EA on the other hand they just rehash old ideas that worked in the past and thrive off the fond memories LA gave us like a blood sucking parasite.

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I think if someone is blaming Disney for the state of Lucasarts they weren't paying attention

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Kathleen Kennedy. Her equal over at Marvel, Kevin Feige carefully executed everything, and she had the same responsibility and failed.

Even after all this, she was still giving D&D issues with control till like 3 months ago and they just said fuck it and left.

Essentially, she was personally picked by George, not Disney. I don't think he's someone to trust in these matters. Lucasfilm was just replaced with a female version of George, since she's both George and Speilberg's very good friend.

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Other: EA Games
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Oof. The fandom, whose head canon created an impossible standard for the most recent trilogy.

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Robert Iger
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I'm not sure it is possible to point to any single component of the Sequel Trilogy and have a biggest villain.

Like KK was given a tough task of turning Star Wars into an annual franchise and she was able to do that, but it is pretty obvious that either she and the story group didn't have an established plan for what the trilogy was going to look like or they were not able to properly convey that to Johnson and Abrams.

Abrams and Johnson clearly had a disconnect on what the movie should look like. Causing the movies to be disjointed and walking back the moves the other made.

Lucas had the opposite issue of Kennedy where he had a clear vision with what he wanted to do but lacked the actual ability to successfully put it on screen.

The fandom had plenty of legit criticisms of the above, but more virulent strains of it also went to the internet staples of threats of violence. And then there was the endless fits about diversity.


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Poll results look pretty accurate.

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All of the above. Lucas couldn't get out of his own way and keeps doing unnecessary things. JJ is probably the most innocent here, but should have handled the whole trilogy. RJ fucked over Hamil, the original director of the third movie, and basically made a movie for himself instead of the fanbase. KK just doesn't understand the franchise and should have made sure the trilogy had a plan from day one. The fanbase sending Marie Tran so much hate for portraying a role is disgusting.

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