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Skye Reynolds
12/21/19 10:41:49 AM
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This bulldog is supposed to be a Native American chief:



And these are his followers:



The film even has a song "What Made the Red Man Red?" in which the punchline is that a girl gave a prince a kiss and he never stopped blushing. Say what you will about the crows from Dumbo, those were birds. These are supposed to be actual people.

It could've been a lot worse too. Cannibal Cove appears on the map, but they never visit it. Early concept art also depicts Mr. Smee looking like a black caricature.

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Phantom_Nook
12/21/19 10:42:56 AM
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The movie would still probably be pretty bad even without that stuff.
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Antifar
12/21/19 10:43:20 AM
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That's a high bar, but you've made a good case
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NeonOctopus
12/21/19 10:43:58 AM
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gatorsPENSbucs
12/21/19 10:50:38 AM
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Whats the issue?

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TheGoldenEel
12/21/19 10:51:19 AM
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Whats the issue?
Tag checks out

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Skye Reynolds
12/21/19 10:53:40 AM
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"Remember, the Indian is cunning but less intelligent."

You could maybe make the argument that this statement is subversive -- as the Native Americans immediately outsmart the Lost Boys -- but it's still a pretty nasty remark.

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iPhone_7
12/21/19 10:54:18 AM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
Tag checks out
I have him tagged as Trumper/Says hes black. Im pretty sure I added that second part upon seeing a As a black person myself post from him.

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Skye Reynolds
12/21/19 10:54:26 AM
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NeonOctopus posted...
I wonder if Song of the South will be a world in Kingdom Heart 4

It'd be hilarious if they included a bull pen and a kindly old man wanting to tell you moral fables instead of the animated portions. Welcome to the boring side of Kingdom Hearts.

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gatorsPENSbucs
12/21/19 11:07:07 AM
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iPhone_7 posted...
I have him tagged as Trumper/Says hes black. Im pretty sure I added that second part upon seeing a As a black person myself post from him.
Your guys tags always amuse me here.

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Error1355
12/21/19 11:14:09 AM
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Yep, culture was a lot more racist back then.

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ArchiePeck
12/21/19 11:23:18 AM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
Tag checks out

LOL I'll tag him similarly I think. Sad.
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Skye Reynolds
12/21/19 1:29:09 PM
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Highwind07 posted...
The crows from Dumbo though.


Skye Reynolds posted...
Say what you will about the crows from Dumbo, those were birds. These are supposed to be actual people.


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Skye Reynolds
12/21/19 1:35:15 PM
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Now if we include animated shorts, all bets are off as to most racist.

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_Rinku_
12/21/19 1:38:18 PM
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There's a reason Neverland always seems so empty in Kingdom Hearts. You do see some teepees in Birth by Sleep though.
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Duncanwii
12/21/19 2:01:03 PM
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_Rinku_ posted...
There's a reason Neverland always seems so empty in Kingdom Hearts. You do see some teepees in Birth by Sleep though.
Tbf, we never actually go to Neverland in Kingdom Hearts and Days. KH was exclusively Captain Hook's ship and I dont know where Days is supposed to take place but it wasnt Neverland either.

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_Rinku_
12/21/19 2:05:41 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
Tbf, we never actually go to Neverland in Kingdom Hearts and Days. KH was exclusively Captain Hook's ship and I dont know where Days is supposed to take place but it wasnt Neverland either.
True, but it does bill itself as Neverland.
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ThyCorndog
12/21/19 2:10:52 PM
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Whats the issue?
Native americans arent actually red and this is like making asians yellow or africans pitch black with big bright red lips

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Starks
12/21/19 2:13:35 PM
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Song of the South is nowhere near as bad as its reputation suggests.

It's certainly an eye-opening experience from the otherwise sterile output of Disney in the era.

Treat it more like Gone with the Wind with cartoons mixed in.

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gatorsPENSbucs
12/21/19 2:19:07 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
Native americans arent actually red and this is like making asians yellow or africans pitch black with big bright red lips
I dont know, I see a cartoon or a caricature and I assume its just some playful fun.

But then again I dont go looking for racism or even think about it nonstop so Im in a different boat when it comes to this stuff.

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Funkydog
12/21/19 2:23:35 PM
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I was gonna say "But what about Dumbo and The Aristocats"

But evidently I forgot a lot about Peter Pan >.>

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The_Ivory_Man
12/21/19 2:42:04 PM
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Yeah Song of the South has some bad shorts like Tar baby that are racist, but there's really nothing about the actual narrative that's a problem.

It's no more racist than Doctor Who having episodes placed during colonial times and acting like racism didn't exist.

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JBaLLEN66
12/21/19 2:42:20 PM
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The kids all grew up to die in a WW1 trench :(

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Duncanwii
12/21/19 2:44:43 PM
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JBaLLEN66 posted...
The kids all grew up to die in a WW1 trench :(
Wendy is confirmed to be alive in the sequel and wouldnt have died in WW1 anyway since woman weren't allowed in the military at the time.

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Phantom_Nook
12/21/19 2:56:45 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
There's a reason Neverland always seems so empty in Kingdom Hearts. You do see some teepees in Birth by Sleep though.
Tbf, we never actually go to Neverland in Kingdom Hearts and Days. KH was exclusively Captain Hook's ship and I dont know where Days is supposed to take place but it wasnt Neverland either.

Days takes place in actual Neverland.
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Bad_Mojo
12/21/19 3:57:31 PM
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Rap as the most homophobic lyrics out of any music genre.

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KobeSystem
12/21/19 4:19:08 PM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
Rap as the most homophobic lyrics out of any music genre.

Lol sick deflection but yea i remember Eminem teaching my entire grade the f word

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gatorsPENSbucs
12/21/19 4:21:17 PM
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KobeSystem posted...
Lol sick deflection but yea i remember Eminem teaching my entire grade the f word
Um, I believe it was the bus driver that did the teaching.

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Bishop9800
12/21/19 4:22:49 PM
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iPhone_7 posted...
I have him tagged as Trumper/Says hes black. Im pretty sure I added that second part upon seeing a As a black person myself post from him.


There are so many people on here that says the same shit, knowing damm well they aren't.

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Behaviorism
12/21/19 4:23:30 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
I wonder if Song of the South will be a world in Kingdom Heart 4
Sora finding the key hole on a plantation, with a racist old oil tycoon guarding it

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Bishop9800
12/21/19 4:24:50 PM
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...


But then again I dont go looking for racism or even think about it nonstop so Im in a different boat when it comes to this stuff.

Ok, I laughed hella hard on this

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Sada_Pop
12/21/19 4:25:05 PM
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"As a black person" is the easiest way to get dismissed. I mean come on...

It's very very transparent and does no justice for anyone at all.

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ScazarMeltex
12/21/19 4:27:54 PM
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TChas clearly never seen Song of the South

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TheRealDill2011
12/21/19 4:28:06 PM
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@TC
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tremain07
12/21/19 4:41:28 PM
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You go to Neverland in Birth By Sleep don't you? but yeah, nothing is as racist as song of the south, I don't remember anything about the Atristocats how was that movie racist?

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Duncanwii
12/21/19 4:42:09 PM
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tremain07 posted...
You go to Neverland in Birth By Sleep don't you? but yeah, nothing is as racist as song of the south, I don't remember anything about the Atristocats how was that movie racist?
They had a very racist Asian cat at one point.

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boxington
12/21/19 4:43:28 PM
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^ the Siamese cats being caricatures by using racist Asian stereotypes

edit: at post 37

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Prestoff
12/21/19 4:47:31 PM
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https://youtu.be/LeXIbVovojM

Nothing compared to the way the native americans got treated in peter pan, but still pretty racist. I just finally realized its tiggers voice though lol.

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tremain07
12/21/19 5:06:25 PM
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Prestoff posted...
https://youtu.be/LeXIbVovojM

Nothing compared to the way the native americans got treated in peter pan, but still pretty racist. I just finally realized its tiggers voice though lol.
Oh wowww

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_Rinku_
12/21/19 5:26:12 PM
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Prestoff posted...
https://youtu.be/LeXIbVovojM

Nothing compared to the way the native americans got treated in peter pan, but still pretty racist. I just finally realized its tiggers voice though lol.
I heard a modern, jazzy cover of this that just went instrumental during the segment with the Siamese cat.
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DezDroppedFreak
12/21/19 5:28:13 PM
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Duncanwii posted...

Tbf, we never actually go to Neverland in Kingdom Hearts and Days. KH was exclusively Captain Hook's ship and I dont know where Days is supposed to take place but it wasnt Neverland either.


You go to Neverland in BBS. A boss fight takes place in front of the teepees
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