Current Events > Are MCU movies cinema in your opinion?

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Whiny old men don't get to change the meaning of a word just because they're old and want to yell at clouds.

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Of course they are. They just aren't original cinema as they are based off of comic book characters and stories.

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Yeah. Not great cinema, but they're fun in their own right.

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they are literally cinema.

KeepAnEyeOut posted...

Yeah. Not great cinema, but they're fun in their own right.

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KeepAnEyeOut posted...

Yeah. Not great cinema, but they're fun in their own right.

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Of course. Calling something art says exactly nothing about its quality. its the same dumb argument that some people make when they say videogames aren't art.

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Yes, and there's a reason why they don't win the prestige awards. They're fun, but meaningless.

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I watched Endgame on Friday, and the suggestion that these movies are cinema sets off alarms in my head. Not because it was "bad", but because every moment of it felt like something pretending to a movie in order to leap out and eat me when I let my guard down. Its like the uncanny cinematic valley.

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@zithers

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No.

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KeepAnEyeOut posted...

Yeah. Not great cinema, but they're fun in their own right.

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proper definition of cinema

Now we finally arrive at the subject of this rant, which is the state of cinema. First of all, is there a difference between cinema and movies? Yeah. The simplest way that I can describe it is that a movie is something you see, and cinema is something thats made. It has nothing to do with the captured medium, it doesnt have anything to do with where the screen is, if its in your bedroom, your iPad, it doesnt even really have to be a movie. It could be a commercial, it could be something on YouTube. Cinema is a specificity of vision. Its an approach in which everything matters. Its the polar opposite of generic or arbitrary and the result is as unique as a signature or a fingerprint. It isnt made by a committee, and it isnt made by a company, and it isnt made by the audience. It means that if this filmmaker didnt do it, it either wouldnt exist at all, or it wouldnt exist in anything like this form.

marvel does not find under this umbrella unfortunately

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No, because they're obviously books.

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Zithers posted...

proper definition of cinema

Now we finally arrive at the subject of this rant, which is the state of cinema. First of all, is there a difference between cinema and movies? Yeah. The simplest way that I can describe it is that a movie is something you see, and cinema is something thats made. It has nothing to do with the captured medium, it doesnt have anything to do with where the screen is, if its in your bedroom, your iPad, it doesnt even really have to be a movie. It could be a commercial, it could be something on YouTube. Cinema is a specificity of vision. Its an approach in which everything matters. Its the polar opposite of generic or arbitrary and the result is as unique as a signature or a fingerprint. It isnt made by a committee, and it isnt made by a company, and it isnt made by the audience. It means that if this filmmaker didnt do it, it either wouldnt exist at all, or it wouldnt exist in anything like this form.

marvel does not find under this umbrella unfortunately

I'm hoping that big wall of dumb pretentiousness is copypasta. Marvel movies definitely have to get made by someone with a vision usually. It's usually a collaboration, like all cinema.

There are definitely bad things about it where they dont let someone create the vision they wanted. Like with Edgar Wright and Ant-Man, which is shitty. But if it weren't for the Russo Bros. the movies they made would have been completely different. Yeah they knew they wanted to do Thanos, but to say it would exist the same without them is dumb.
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KeepAnEyeOut posted...

Yeah. Not great cinema, but they're fun in their own right.

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Zithers posted...

proper definition of cinema

Now we finally arrive at the subject of this rant, which is the state of cinema. First of all, is there a difference between cinema and movies? Yeah. The simplest way that I can describe it is that a movie is something you see, and cinema is something thats made. It has nothing to do with the captured medium, it doesnt have anything to do with where the screen is, if its in your bedroom, your iPad, it doesnt even really have to be a movie. It could be a commercial, it could be something on YouTube. Cinema is a specificity of vision. Its an approach in which everything matters. Its the polar opposite of generic or arbitrary and the result is as unique as a signature or a fingerprint. It isnt made by a committee, and it isnt made by a company, and it isnt made by the audience. It means that if this filmmaker didnt do it, it either wouldnt exist at all, or it wouldnt exist in anything like this form.

marvel does not find under this umbrella unfortunately

Nobody cares what whiny snobs think.

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in my definition no, but neither are Scorcese's movies.

from my understanding "cinema" is the theater where you play movies, not the movie itself.

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MrNintendo1213 posted...

I'm hoping that big wall of dumb pretentiousness is copypasta. Marvel movies definitely have to get made by someone with a vision usually. It's usually a collaboration, like all cinema.

There are definitely bad things about it where they dont let someone create the vision they wanted. Like with Edgar Wright and Ant-Man, which is shitty. But if it weren't for the Russo Bros. the movies they made would have been completely different. Yeah they knew they wanted to do Thanos, but to say it would exist the same without them is dumb.

God I hope so, because I read all of that dogshit and laughed.

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They may not individually serve as a master class in writing, pacing, or the art of cinema in general...but the collective achievement of the Infinity Saga is the most incredible cinematic accomplishment in the history of film.

It has captured audiences worldwide, continuously upped its own ante, and compelled an entire generation of film-goers to follow its story for over a decade.

It's cinema, and it's a crowning achievement of pop culture that will endure for many, many years to come.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

They may not individually serve as a master class in writing, pacing, or the art of cinema in general...but the collective achievement of the Infinity Saga is the most incredible cinematic accomplishment in the history of film.

LMAO

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KeepAnEyeOut posted...

Yeah. Not great cinema, but they're fun in their own right.

Agreed.

GhettoFlip posted...

LMAO

You laugh, but you can't name anything else nearly so ambitious or influential.

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they're obviously not the type of cinematic Oscar-worthy pieces of art that critics love to jerk off to but they're still entertaining nonetheless...

Gobstoppers12 posted...

They may not individually serve as a master class in writing, pacing, or the art of cinema in general...but the collective achievement of the Infinity Saga is the most incredible cinematic accomplishment in the history of film.

It has captured audiences worldwide, continuously upped its own ante, and compelled an entire generation of film-goers to follow its story for over a decade.

It's cinema, and it's a crowning achievement of pop culture that will endure for many, many years to come.

Seriously. How anyone can call themselves fans of cinema film or whatever you want to call it and NOT appreciate the unprecedented level to which the MCU has created this universe.

They literally trained people how to care about movies differently. Now you stay for the very end for a stinger that gives you a glimpse of the next movie. Characters youve seen in one movie will show up in another. The things the MCU have accomplished are phenomenal.

But theyre legitimately great movies most of them. It just amuses me watching people try to dismiss them when they cannot take back the reality of how I and others feel when we watch them. Theres an excitement to them that I cannot see any other movie coming close to capturing for me.

Also quickly there is one more thing Id like to point out. I dont know why people feel like theres this idea that good movies are made in a vacuum? Odds are your favourite movie was a collaboration from hundreds if not thousands of people. Writers, directors, actors, sound guys, editors, CGI artists, whoever else you can name. So to act like the MCU is this soulless assembly line is a horseshit take.

Thor Ragnarok would not be what it is without Taika. Black Panther without Coogler. The Russos and the monumental role theyve played.

i would think any movie has all these building blocks that need to come together to create the final product. With the MCU, each piece of that has such a history and lineage that you get to put your mark on...that should be exciting. This tapestry of pieces that all have a weight to them that no other film property comes close to achieving.

but in typical internet fashion, we are quick to dismiss the importance of literally everything

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No more or less than any other film. Their failure to fulfill some people's spoiler-fetish is irrelevant.

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MrNintendo1213 posted...

I'm hoping that big wall of dumb pretentiousness is copypasta. Marvel movies definitely have to get made by someone with a vision usually. It's usually a collaboration, like all cinema.

There are definitely bad things about it where they dont let someone create the vision they wanted. Like with Edgar Wright and Ant-Man, which is shitty. But if it weren't for the Russo Bros. the movies they made would have been completely different. Yeah they knew they wanted to do Thanos, but to say it would exist the same without them is dumb.

the russo bros are the definition of anonymous. they're literally crappy directors poached from television to be bullied by marvel's showrunner. oh wait hold on they did make that one visionary movie before the MCU... what was it called... oh yeah, you me and dupree. LOL!

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MCU fanboys still triggered lol.

When you reduce yourself to arguing semantics as a defense, you've automatically lost. >_>

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

most incredible cinematic accomplishment in the history of film.

*sigh*
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konokonohamaru posted...

*sigh*

Name something else that has had this level of impact on culture, and on movie-making in general. Everybody and their mother is trying to throw out a 'shared universe' now. Marvel characters nobody ever heard of (guardians of the galaxy, especially) are now top-tier A-list characters that bring in millions if not billions of dollars. Over twenty films all tied together spent ten years working toward one gargantuan cross-over film that became the top-grossing movie release of all time.

I really want to hear your opinion about what has been a bigger accomplishment than that. I'm eagerly anticipating your response, @konokonohamaru


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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Name something else that has had this level of impact on culture, and on movie-making in general. Everybody and their mother is trying to throw out a 'shared universe' now. Marvel characters nobody ever heard of (guardians of the galaxy, especially) are now top-tier A-list characters that bring in millions if not billions of dollars. Over twenty films all tied together spent ten years working toward one gargantuan cross-over film that became the top-grossing movie release of all time.

I really want to hear your opinion about what has been a bigger accomplishment than that. I'm eagerly anticipating your response, @konokonohamaru

lol I don't care how much it grossed or how many films shared the same universe

it just sucks and honestly i'm sad MCU made so much money coz now all the studios want to copy its approach

have a nice day :)
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they're cinema, but only certain dc films have attained kinography status

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konokonohamaru posted...

it just sucks and honestly i'm sad MCU made so much money

So basically you have no rebuttal? I'm not saying they're the best movies ever made, I'm saying that there has never been anything like them before, and the planning and execution involved dwarfs anything else that has ever been made before it.

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SwayM posted...

Seriously. How anyone can call themselves fans of cinema film or whatever you want to call it and NOT appreciate the unprecedented level to which the MCU has created this universe.

It's a triumph of spectacle and commercialization, not of film or cinema.

SwayM posted...

They literally trained people how to care about movies differently. Now you stay for the very end for a stinger that gives you a glimpse of the next movie. Characters youve seen in one movie will show up in another. The things the MCU have accomplished are phenomenal.

Wow they put scenes at the middle and end of the credits and do character cameos. What a great cinematic achievement.

SwayM posted...

But theyre legitimately great movies most of them.

LMAO. dude I thought you were serious. If you think these movies are "legitimately great" then yeah, I could see why you're the kind of person who would think it's the pinnacle moviemaking art.


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GhettoFlip posted...

It's a triumph of spectacle and commercialization, not of film or cinema.

If you have any interest whatsoever in digital, stunt, or practical effects, the MCU has done a ton of fantastic work to admire. The writing and drama may not be oscar-worthy, but it services the characters and has long-term consequences.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

the MCU has done a ton of fantastic work to admire.

Of which the only example you gave was an effect that every YouTuber copied within 24 hours.

This is a lame gimmick bruh

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I Like Toast posted...

Of which the only example you gave was an effect that every YouTuber copied within 24 hours.

................................?

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SwayM posted...

But theyre legitimately great movies most of them. It just amuses me watching people try to dismiss them when they cannot take back the reality of how I and others feel when we watch them. Theres an excitement to them that I cannot see any other movie coming close to capturing for me.

Because you and the people who adore these movies aren't passionate film fans by nature. If they were great films they'd appeal to a significant amount of cinephiles too and they just don't. There's not even anyone defending them like you get with other blockbusters.

corneliusmagus posted...

There's not even anyone defending them like you get with other blockbusters.

?????

You're wrong. You can't say something that's untrue and then treat it like a fact just because you said it.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

?????

You're wrong. You can't say something that's untrue and then treat it like a fact just because you said it.

I clearly meant in the cinephile community.

corneliusmagus posted...

I clearly meant in the cinephile community.

The entire community of people who are passionate about film-making? I wasn't aware that you were their gatekeeper.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

The entire community of people who are passionate about film-making? I wasn't aware that you were their gatekeeper.

I'm saying I have almost never seen anyone in that group defend these movies.

corneliusmagus posted...

I'm saying I have almost never seen anyone in that group defend these movies.

corneliusmagus posted...

There's not even anyone defending them

Have you never seen anyone, or have you almost never seen anyone? There's a difference and you've given me both now.

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AlisLandale posted...

MCU fanboys still triggered lol.

Might want to pay attention. It for damn sure ain't the fans.

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corneliusmagus posted...

I'm saying I have almost never seen anyone in that group defend these movies.

Black panther is the closest, because it's one of the few that has an actual message and doesn't treat it as a joke. Like gotg2 or endgame could have, but didn't want to risk offending anyone so turned the potential points into punch lines so everyone could like it.

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Obviously yes and probably no.There seems to be an ambiguity in the word: some treat it as a synonym for "movies", others think it implies quality or greatness. They're "cinema" but not "Cinema", sort of like how the Twilight novels are "literature" but not "Literature", or how Thomas Kinkade paintings are "art" but not "Art".

At least, that's how it seems to me.

They are but a minor diversion. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Look I know some hotshot said they aren't because he thinks he's important enough to redefine industry- relevant terms to suit his elitist opinion but the proper response to this is to understand what he actually means (he doesn't like them) and ignore the way he chooses to say it.

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People still dismissing MCU movies with absolutely zero arguments.

Yall cant hatekeep people away from appreciating these movies.

Some real low level trolling going on in here.

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