Poll of the Day > attn PK_Spam, i think you're right about tales of vesperia, ok?

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i just finished the game last night. didn't do too much extra stuff, just stuck with the story, and i think you're right. i can't think of any jrpg in recent memory with a story this good. it was genuinely heartfelt and full of great characters, ok?

that being said, the game itself is definitely archaic by today's standards, and i think i would have enjoyed it more had it not killed my 360 about a decade ago. although i'm glad i got to play a version with patty, as she turned out to be one of my favorite characters, ok?

that being said, two immediate things came to me that didn't make sense in the context of the story that maybe you can clear up, ok?

*spoilers obvs, ok?*

first, let's talk about patty. she's revealed to be the "legendary pirate", aifread. but she's, like, 10 years old (i'm guessing)? did she run a pirate ship/fleet when she was 6? 4? this made absolutely no sense to me, ok?

secondly, raven. raven's heart is literally replaced by a blastia. at the end of the game, all blastia in the world ceases to do its function any more, and are converted into spirits. so... did they just forget that raven's blastia would stop working as well? the completely ignored this, ok?

anyways, i'll probably have more questions as i reflect more on the game, but those are my immediate thoughts. loved the game, and i'll be hard up to find another jrpg that has a story and characters that strong. really loved it, ok?

@PK_Spam
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Tales of Vesperia is one of my favorite games of all time. Glad you enjoyed!

Patty: She was de-aged and suffered from amnesia due to experiments from Alexei. These experiments are what turned her crew into monsters, which Cipher (The Wandering Skeleton) was forced to kill. Nobody was left to kill Cipher, so Patty and the party allowed him to finally rest in peace.

Raven: His blastia is different from other blastia. It runs on his life energy rather than aer so it can continue working after the conversion.
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Seph got it

You missed one of the late game sidequests (a useful one too, because it gives Rita her best non-elemental spell, Meteor Storm) but she starts to learn Spirit Magic before the end of the story. She applied some of that already to Estelle before the elemental spirits, but she perfects it by the time they head to the final dungeon. I like to imagine she fine tuned Ravens Blastia using her new skills after the game so he could actually live a close to normal lifespan.

also, I dont really like the story. Everything kinda falls flat by the third arc, though the second is pretty decent storytelling when its not being dumb and repetitive (Estelle). Its the characters I love. Id die for them.

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I agree, as much as I love this game, the overall plot leaves a little to be desired, but the characters, their interactions, and the world building draw me in so much.
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PK_Spam posted...

You missed one of the late game sidequests

i missed a lot of sidequests. i really didn't do that much extra stuff, tbh, ok?
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Theres so much I wish we got confirmation on, like that throwaway conversation about why monsters exist and explictily are effected by barriers, when regular animals are around and arent bothered. I always thought that the monsters in those pods in the first area of Tarqaron were actually soft confirmation that all monsters were genetically created by the Geriaos civilization, and thats why barriers arbitrarily locked them out.

But idk. Ive spent way too much time thinking about Vesperias world when the writers clearly didnt.

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PK_Spam posted...

But idk. Ive spent way too much time thinking about Vesperias world when the writers clearly didnt.

yeah, way more time than i have, that's for sure, ok?
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so, no, raven is being kept alive by the four great spirits. it's not that his blastia is running off his life force, because that blastia is what's keeping him alive so it can't run off of itself, it's that the four spirits are powering it.
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What? No its not. Estelle has Rita mess with her formula to copy Ravens blastia so she can use her magic with her life force instead of massive quantities of aer. Before the final dungeon, Ravens still using his life force. I know this because a sidequest has Yuri explicitly telling Raven that he can get Rita to do him a solid and fix him, and hes all like Uh... I dont want that brat to know I owe her for my life, before he collapses from fatigue.

The only ones who have Spirit Magic by the end of the game are Estelle (obviously) and Rita.

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there's a lot of conflicting information

the definitive version clears some up, with the added skits, one of which makes sylph say something along the lines that raven shouldn't worry anymore, which implies they're feeding him power, because it literally wouldn't make sense otherwise, and didn't, for that matter.

and then you have the raven manga and drama cds, both of which also have conflicting information with everything else.

in the manga, the blastia just...is a heart, somehow, despite being a crystal and not a pump.

and in the drama cd, it's just a battery that feeds off of nothing.

and what makes everything make even less sense, is that alexei could, apparently, turn both ravens and yeagers hearts off any any time, remotely. which implies there's some sort of weird remote connection to them that also makes no sense.

in fact, the entire reason you have to fight yeager so much, is that he was being controller by alexei to do so. there's a fan theory where he was being blackmailed by alexei due to his work with an orphanage, but that's not very definitive, and the fact that yeager explicitly says that alexei was threatening him with his hoplon blastia. which makes ravens betrayal and subsequent return, make even fucking less sense, because NOTHING changed. raven is still in the same situation he was in before that happened, it's just everyone knows now. the alexei threat of remotely killing him is just...gone. disappeared. poof. it's not even a thing anymore.

there's a lot about this game that make no sense, are introduced and promptly ignored, and things that just go nowhere that make me so mad
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I think the part about Raven and German stereotype has them both having a life debt to alexi, so they feel forced to do what he wants despite not actually wanting to do those things. It's a weird culture thing alright? And Raven "dying" for Alexi means his life debt is settled.
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I ended up like Beseria more even though I love Vesperia
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Aculo posted...

i can't think of any jrpg in recent memory with a story this good. it was genuinely heartfelt and full of great characters, ok?

Those are two separate things, the story is lacklustre to decent, but the character interactions within that flawed story were amazing.
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Aculo posted...

i can't think of any jrpg in recent memory with a story this good. it was genuinely heartfelt and full of great characters, ok?

Those are two separate things, the story is lacklustre to decent, but the character interactions within that flawed story were amazing.

Sure, this, ok?
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