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Lebronwon
10/26/19 6:59:55 PM
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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/26/hbo-watchmen-is-bombing-reviews-but-that-wont-scare-off-any-viewers.html

The new series Watchmen, based on the comic by writer Alan Moore, premiered last weekend on HBO, and according to The Daily Beast, its the latest victim of review bombing. However, if the perpetrators are hoping to sink the show, theyre unlikely to succeed. For those not in the know, review bombing is what happens when scads of disgruntled viewers go to the Rotten Tomatoes website and leave one-star reviews for a movie or television show to drag down its overall rating. In the case of Watchmen, it received a score of 98% from critics and 43% from audiences. A complete disrespect of the source material, said one commenter. We have enough politics in our lives right now, can we just escape a little? groused another. Another called it the worst show HBO has ever created.

MacDonald said that in some cases, people who participate in this behavior are fans who view themselves as gatekeepers of a franchise. However, he said that racism and misogyny are more likely causes. Captain Marvel and Star Wars: The Last Jedi were attacked for their female leads, he said. I would argue that the reason HBOs Watchmen is getting review bombed right now is not necessarily because of how the show strays from the material, but because it opened with the Tulsa massacre of black Americans. The Tulsa massacre was an incident that took place in Tulsa, OK, in 1921, in which thousands of white rioters attacked the citys black business district, causing multiple fatalities. MacDonald said that the initial responses to the show that he saw all focused on this, in part because many viewers never knew that the incident had even taken place. It was taken as an educational experience, as a positive that the show had unearthed a forgotten but crucial part of Americas history, he said. The review bombings started after that. Add to this that the lead character is a black woman, and well, there you go.

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MudKip_Master
10/26/19 7:01:34 PM
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Sounds like an awful show
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Heineken14
10/26/19 7:03:09 PM
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Lebronwon posted...
We have enough politics in our lives right now, can we just escape a little? groused another.


Ah, so I take it the right are upset with the show for some reason then.
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Anteaterking
10/26/19 7:04:16 PM
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Lebronwon
10/26/19 7:08:32 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
Is the show any good?


Only 1 episode has aired. I like it but to give the show a good/bad rating at this time a bit too early imo.
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Alucard188
10/26/19 7:10:08 PM
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Lebronwon posted...
We have enough politics in our lives right now, can we just escape a little? groused another.


Has this person never seen Watchmen? The entire fucking source material is steeped in politics. Fuck, the the cold war is a central part of the narrative. I can't believe people are this dense.

Only 1 episode has aired. I like it but to give the show a good/bad rating at this time a bit too early imo.


I followed absolutely nothing about the new HBO show. In what way does it stray from the source material?

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BeyondWalls
10/26/19 7:12:25 PM
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Lebronwon posted...
what happens when scads of disgruntled viewers go to the Rotten Tomatoes website and leave one-star reviews

...or maybe they just didn't like it?

I'm tried of stupid crap like this from Hollywood who can't admit fans didn't like the shit they peddled. Not everything is a secret conspiracy designed to bring your franchise down. Sometimes your show just isn't good.
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Zikten
10/26/19 7:13:43 PM
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I don't have hbo but I thought it looked good when I saw trailers.
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dave_is_slick
10/26/19 7:14:12 PM
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BeyondWalls posted...
Lebronwon posted...
what happens when scads of disgruntled viewers go to the Rotten Tomatoes website and leave one-star reviews

...or maybe they just didn't like it?

I'm tried of stupid crap like this from Hollywood who can't admit fans didn't like the shit they peddled. Not everything is a secret conspiracy designed to bring your franchise down. Sometimes your show just isn't good.

Sure, buddy.
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Zikten
10/26/19 7:14:51 PM
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BeyondWalls posted...
Lebronwon posted...
what happens when scads of disgruntled viewers go to the Rotten Tomatoes website and leave one-star reviews

...or maybe they just didn't like it?

I'm tried of stupid crap like this from Hollywood who can't admit fans didn't like the shit they peddled. Not everything is a secret conspiracy designed to bring your franchise down. Sometimes your show just isn't good.

in the case of Batwoman, where something similar is happeneing, it is good. that's why I suspect Watchmen is good too. with Batwoman, the show is incredible and people who actually watch it think it's great. but a bunch of people who only watched the trailer, review bombed it to troll.
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darkprince45
10/26/19 7:15:08 PM
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MudKip_Master posted...
Sounds like an awful show

Its great with great reviews
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darkprince45
10/26/19 7:17:01 PM
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Just read some user reviews at RT. Yeah its all trolling
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RchHomieQuanChi
10/26/19 7:18:57 PM
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Heineken14 posted...
Lebronwon posted...
We have enough politics in our lives right now, can we just escape a little? groused another.


Ah, so I take it the right are upset with the show for some reason then.


It's pretty funny how the right has become the SJWs they complain about so much.
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AlecSkorpio
10/26/19 7:22:16 PM
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My stance is it doesnt seem like a good sequel to Watchmen.

As a show I didnt like it either but not on like a technical level.
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MachineJaipur
10/26/19 7:25:01 PM
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they're just mad they didn't get to see blue dong in the first episode

that's all i know about Watchmen
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Paper_Okami
10/26/19 7:27:28 PM
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yup

Watchmen is not political at all that's right, nothing to do with politics

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loafy013
10/26/19 7:42:00 PM
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Alucard188 posted...
Has this person never seen Watchmen? The entire fucking source material is steeped in politics. Fuck, the the cold war is a central part of the narrative. I can't believe people are this dense.

I reread Transmetropolitan last year, and it seems more relevant now than ever before. I would love to see it made into a series, but I know there would be so much screeching about it making fun of the president, despite the source material being written 20 years ago.
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Machete
10/26/19 7:45:48 PM
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Lebronwon posted...
Only 1 episode has aired. I like it but to give the show a good/bad rating at this time a bit too early imo.


I agree with this assessment 100%. It shows promise, but it is too early to know if it will live up to the expectations that I have formed for it based on episode 1.
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EbonTitanium
10/26/19 7:54:13 PM
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Zikten posted...
in the case of Batwoman, where something similar is happeneing, it is good. that's why I suspect Watchmen is good too. with Batwoman, the show is incredible and people who actually watch it think it's great. but a bunch of people who only watched the trailer, review bombed it to troll.
I watch Batwoman is I find it to be dull.

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Chad-Henne
10/26/19 8:07:10 PM
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Can we please get a Batman movie without all the crime? I watch movies to escape these things
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Illuminoius
10/26/19 8:13:20 PM
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people have this weird mentality that things are only political if they attack the status quo, not if they preserve it
media as a whole is pretty conservative
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YourDrunkFather
10/26/19 8:25:58 PM
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However, he said that racism and misogyny are more likely causes. Captain Marvel and Star Wars: The Last Jedi were attacked for their female leads

Oh shut the fuck up

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YellowSUV
10/26/19 8:27:43 PM
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Crying that something is "political" is pathetic. Everything is political. What some of these people really mean is that the show triggers them.

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The_Ivory_Man
10/26/19 8:37:17 PM
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Alucard188 posted...
I followed absolutely nothing about the new HBO show. In what way does it stray from the source material?


In every way.

It has virtually nothing to do with the source material.

Also Alan Moore stated he didn't want it to be "too political" anyway, he said that why it's so obviously a alternate universe with Nixon in his fourth term.
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Lorenzo_2003
10/26/19 9:08:04 PM
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Lebronwon posted...
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/26/hbo-watchmen-is-bombing-reviews-but-that-wont-scare-off-any-viewers.html

Captain Marvel and Star Wars: The Last Jedi were attacked for their female leads, he said.


Wait, there are still people who think that viewers did not like those movies because they had female leads? Lmao, I'm not sure if they are being willfully clueless or it's just something inherent somehow.
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Jiek_Fafn
10/26/19 9:14:58 PM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
Wait, there are still people who think that viewers did not like those movies because they had female leads? Lmao, I'm not sure if they are being willfully clueless or it's just something inherent somehow.
It's at least arguably true for Captain Marvel. To think that's people's issue with TLJ is insane though. No one's shy about saying what they hate in that movie.

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p-m
10/26/19 9:21:55 PM
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Jiek_Fafn posted...
To think that's people's issue with TLJ is insane though.

It's really not
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Skye Reynolds
10/26/19 9:49:58 PM
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We have enough politics in our lives right now, can we just escape a little? groused another

On one hand, I empathize.

On the other hand, Alan Moore.

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Heineken14
10/26/19 10:49:03 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Heineken14 posted...
Lebronwon posted...
We have enough politics in our lives right now, can we just escape a little? groused another.


Ah, so I take it the right are upset with the show for some reason then.


It's pretty funny how the right has become the SJWs they complain about so much.


Party of projection. Every single thing Donnie and the right screeched about Hillary ended up being true in regards to Donnie and his swamp administration.
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KiwiTerraRizing
10/26/19 10:53:28 PM
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A movie or show features a non white person or a woman and the right gets triggered
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evil_zombie11
10/26/19 10:58:19 PM
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It's political because the show has racial undertones.

IE "The Seventh Kavalry" taking Rorschach's manifesto and turning it into some racial thing. White supremacy is tryna come back in the show and Angela tries to fight back.

To some it's another "white man bad" show.
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creativerealms
10/26/19 10:59:18 PM
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Alan Moore is known for his hate of his adaptations and he has loyal fans who hate what he hates.
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Smashingpmkns
10/26/19 11:02:02 PM
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evil_zombie11 posted...
It's political because the show has racial undertones.

IE "The Seventh Kavalry" taking Rorschach's manifesto and turning it into some racial thing. White supremacy is tryna come back in the show and Angela tries to fight back.

To some it's another "white man bad" show.


The majority of the good guys that we have seen are white though.
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Delirious_Beard
10/26/19 11:03:56 PM
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comic book fans are fucking embarrassing
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evil_zombie11
10/26/19 11:12:20 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
evil_zombie11 posted...
It's political because the show has racial undertones.

IE "The Seventh Kavalry" taking Rorschach's manifesto and turning it into some racial thing. White supremacy is tryna come back in the show and Angela tries to fight back.

To some it's another "white man bad" show.


The majority of the good guys that we have seen are white though.


People may be upset with the show since the comics are so heavily centered around the "heroes" themselves and their struggles, that the show just turning into another "whites are bad and we gotta beat them back" show invites some cringe factor.
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Smashingpmkns
10/26/19 11:19:19 PM
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evil_zombie11 posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
evil_zombie11 posted...
It's political because the show has racial undertones.

IE "The Seventh Kavalry" taking Rorschach's manifesto and turning it into some racial thing. White supremacy is tryna come back in the show and Angela tries to fight back.

To some it's another "white man bad" show.


The majority of the good guys that we have seen are white though.


People may be upset with the show since the comics are so heavily centered around the "heroes" themselves and their struggles, that the show just turning into another "whites are bad and we gotta beat them back" show invites some cringe factor.


The original Watchmen was heavily political and delved deeper than just the heroes flaws. I'm not necessarily liking the show because it feels like it's using the comics more so for marketing than anything else, though it was only one ep, but the racism narrative is an interesting plot on it's own. Anyone that can't suspend their political beliefs for entertainment's sake needs to sit the fuck down. Saying racism is bad isn't the same thing as saying white people are bad.
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Paper_Okami
10/26/19 11:37:44 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Saying racism is bad isn't the same thing as saying white people are bad.


it is from a racist's perspective


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nevershine
10/26/19 11:41:32 PM
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I still gotta get into it. I always miss it when its on.

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AlisLandale
10/26/19 11:49:52 PM
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Tbh I dont really care about the Watchmen universe. I didnt care about Before Watchmen and I only care about Doomsday Clock because it affects characters I do care about. >_>

At the end of the day, Watchmen was a superhero comic, though. Thats was what informed pretty much all of its themes and twists and development. Is this show supposed to be superheroes, or just some cops? <_<
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WerewolfPaws
10/26/19 11:50:42 PM
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Sounds like a lot of people havent read the novel if they hate politics in their graphic novels.
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2SweetforTurtle
10/26/19 11:53:39 PM
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Im just not a fan of how they made it so that Rorshach somehow inspired a neo nazi movement. Yeah he was clearly far right, but he wasnt a racist klansman, and was still inherently a hero. They essentially made it so that he was actually one of the villains

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WerewolfPaws
10/26/19 11:55:44 PM
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2SweetforTurtle posted...
Im just not a fan of how they made it so that Rorshach somehow inspired a neo nazi movement. Yeah he was clearly far right, but he wasnt a racist klansman, and was still inherently a hero. They essentially made it so that he was actually one of the villains


Whoa, really? Hes supposed to be more of a vigilante centrist, if Im remembering correctly. Doesnt seem like the type to cause even more strife.
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DevsBro
10/26/19 11:58:42 PM
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More story was the last thing Watchmen needed.

It was a masterpiece story, and definitely complete.
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The_Ivory_Man
10/27/19 12:06:37 AM
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creativerealms posted...
Alan Moore is known for his hate of his adaptations and he has loyal fans who hate what he hates.


That's not true, he watched the Justice League cartoon and enjoyed it.

He's a grumpy old man but that doesn't make his criticism on what they've done with Watchmen wrong.
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WerewolfPaws
10/27/19 12:10:27 AM
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The_Ivory_Man posted...
creativerealms posted...
Alan Moore is known for his hate of his adaptations and he has loyal fans who hate what he hates.


That's not true, he watched the Justice League cartoon and enjoyed it.

He's a grumpy old man but that doesn't make his criticism on what they've done with Watchmen wrong.


Pretty sure Id listen to the creator of said content before something like Rotten Tomatoes, tho. Moore is famous for his exotic nature and if he feels like his vision/message was lost on an adaptation, so be it. Even Stephen King is famously against Kubricks adaptation of The Shining. And after reading the book, I have to give his argument merit. It was a super gutted version of a phenomenal novel.
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DrizztLink
10/27/19 12:27:16 AM
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WerewolfPaws posted...
2SweetforTurtle posted...
Im just not a fan of how they made it so that Rorshach somehow inspired a neo nazi movement. Yeah he was clearly far right, but he wasnt a racist klansman, and was still inherently a hero. They essentially made it so that he was actually one of the villains


Whoa, really? Hes supposed to be more of a vigilante centrist, if Im remembering correctly. Doesnt seem like the type to cause even more strife.

This is pretty far from the first time a bunch of alt-right morons didn't understand someone's message.

Edit: Directed at the people in the show, just to be clear.
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WerewolfPaws
10/27/19 12:28:25 AM
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DrizztLink posted...
WerewolfPaws posted...
2SweetforTurtle posted...
Im just not a fan of how they made it so that Rorshach somehow inspired a neo nazi movement. Yeah he was clearly far right, but he wasnt a racist klansman, and was still inherently a hero. They essentially made it so that he was actually one of the villains


Whoa, really? Hes supposed to be more of a vigilante centrist, if Im remembering correctly. Doesnt seem like the type to cause even more strife.

This is pretty far from the first time a bunch of alt-right morons didn't understand someone's message.


Very true. Point to you, good sir.
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