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Squall28 10/13/19 11:45:41 AM #51:	UnfairRepresent posted... Squall28 posted... You guys overexagerrate the "abuse." No they don't.. In fact it's massively understated Multiple vacations a year, eat out all the time, get new electronics you don't need every year....abused my ass. --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:928708839] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted...</cite> <quote>You guys overexagerrate the "abuse."</quote> No they don't.. In fact it's massively understated</quote> Multiple vacations a year, eat out all the time, get new electronics you don't need every year....abused my ass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 10/13/19 11:50:16 AM #52:	Squall28 posted... UnfairRepresent posted... Squall28 posted... You guys overexagerrate the "abuse." No they don't.. In fact it's massively understated Multiple vacations a year, eat out all the time, get new electronics you don't need every year....abused my ass. A pittance compared to the value that the workers create. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:928708959] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Squall28 posted...</cite> <quote>You guys overexagerrate the "abuse."</quote> No they don't.. In fact it's massively understated</quote> Multiple vacations a year, eat out all the time, get new electronics you don't need every year....abused my ass.</quote> A pittance compared to the value that the workers create.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 10/13/19 11:52:29 AM #53:	LordRazziel posted... mario2000 posted... LordRazziel posted... That's not an answer. When you buy pc/console/video game, you could have fed a starving person. You put your own petty wants in front of their basic human needs. You acted selfishly. It doesn't make you a bad person. That's just how people are. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taxing the shit out of billionaires, but your excess is not fundamentally different than theirs. it is different because i'm not a billionaire So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning? Numerous families can live inside a $300 million mansion, they can't live inside of a $250 Switch. --- On the whole, I'd rather have a Marple Cinematic Universe. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:928709013] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted... </cite> <quote>That's not an answer. When you buy pc/console/video game, you could have fed a starving person. You put your own petty wants in front of their basic human needs. You acted selfishly. It doesn't make you a bad person. That's just how people are. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taxing the shit out of billionaires, but your excess is not fundamentally different than theirs.</quote> it is different because i'm not a billionaire </quote> So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning?</quote> Numerous families can live inside a $300 million mansion, they can't live inside of a $250 Switch.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OnWingsOfMisery 10/13/19 11:55:04 AM #54:	OnWingsOfMisery posted... scar the 1 posted... DDirtyDastard posted... Most people here couldn't make a billion dollars if they worked every hour for the rest of their lives at their current wage, they wouldn't even come close. Yeah if you made thousands of dollars per day, and worked every day for hundreds of years, you still wouldn't be a billionaire. Do you mean if you just spend it all or just stick the money under your mattress? You could easily become a billionaire in much less than hundreds of years if you are making thousands per day. @scar_the_1 <cite>OnWingsOfMisery posted [p:928709084] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>OnWingsOfMisery posted...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>DDirtyDastard posted...</cite> <quote>Most people here couldn't make a billion dollars if they worked every hour for the rest of their lives at their current wage, they wouldn't even come close.</quote> Yeah if you made thousands of dollars per day, and worked every day for hundreds of years, you still wouldn't be a billionaire.</quote> Do you mean if you just spend it all or just stick the money under your mattress? You could easily become a billionaire in much less than hundreds of years if you are making thousands per day.</quote> @scar_the_1</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivany2008 10/13/19 12:03:23 PM #55:	Some of them have. Guys like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs both earned their wealth, starting from literally nothing, just a vision. <cite>Ivany2008 posted [p:928709289] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>Some of them have. Guys like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs both earned their wealth, starting from literally nothing, just a vision. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 10/13/19 12:05:00 PM #56:	IShall_Run_Amok posted... LordRazziel posted... mario2000 posted... LordRazziel posted... That's not an answer. When you buy pc/console/video game, you could have fed a starving person. You put your own petty wants in front of their basic human needs. You acted selfishly. It doesn't make you a bad person. That's just how people are. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taxing the shit out of billionaires, but your excess is not fundamentally different than theirs. it is different because i'm not a billionaire So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning? Numerous families can live inside a $300 million mansion, they can't live inside of a $250 Switch. A $250 dollar switch could feed numerous families. --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:928709331] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted... </cite> <quote>That's not an answer. When you buy pc/console/video game, you could have fed a starving person. You put your own petty wants in front of their basic human needs. You acted selfishly. It doesn't make you a bad person. That's just how people are. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taxing the shit out of billionaires, but your excess is not fundamentally different than theirs.</quote> it is different because i'm not a billionaire </quote> So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning?</quote> Numerous families can live inside a $300 million mansion, they can't live inside of a $250 Switch.</quote> A $250 dollar switch could feed numerous families.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 10/13/19 12:06:02 PM #57:	Ivany2008 posted... Some of them have. Guys like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs both earned their wealth, starting from literally nothing, just a vision. Nothing but a vision and vicious exploitation and shitty business practices. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:928709371] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>Ivany2008 posted...</cite> <quote>Some of them have. Guys like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs both earned their wealth, starting from literally nothing, just a vision. </quote> Nothing but a vision and vicious exploitation and shitty business practices.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 10/13/19 12:07:01 PM #58:	1337toothbrush posted... LordRazziel posted... mario2000 posted... LordRazziel posted... That's not an answer. When you buy pc/console/video game, you could have fed a starving person. You put your own petty wants in front of their basic human needs. You acted selfishly. It doesn't make you a bad person. That's just how people are. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taxing the shit out of billionaires, but your excess is not fundamentally different than theirs. it is different because i'm not a billionaire So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning? It's simple. Let's start from the billionaires and work our way down. That's not simple, firstly you haven't described the cutoff, the main point. Secondly, what do you do with billionaires, seize all their assets? That's unconstitutional. --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:928709400] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted... </cite> <quote>That's not an answer. When you buy pc/console/video game, you could have fed a starving person. You put your own petty wants in front of their basic human needs. You acted selfishly. It doesn't make you a bad person. That's just how people are. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taxing the shit out of billionaires, but your excess is not fundamentally different than theirs.</quote> it is different because i'm not a billionaire </quote> So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning?</quote> It's simple. Let's start from the billionaires and work our way down.</quote> That's not simple, firstly you haven't described the cutoff, the main point. Secondly, what do you do with billionaires, seize all their assets? That's unconstitutional.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 10/13/19 12:07:39 PM #59:	OnWingsOfMisery posted... OnWingsOfMisery posted... scar the 1 posted... DDirtyDastard posted... Most people here couldn't make a billion dollars if they worked every hour for the rest of their lives at their current wage, they wouldn't even come close. Yeah if you made thousands of dollars per day, and worked every day for hundreds of years, you still wouldn't be a billionaire. Do you mean if you just spend it all or just stick the money under your mattress? You could easily become a billionaire in much less than hundreds of years if you are making thousands per day. scar_the_1 Let's say you make $3000 per day, every day, no vacation. How many days does it take to reach one billion? And for this example, your expenses are 0, so it's a net gain of $3000. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:928709427] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>OnWingsOfMisery posted...</cite> <quote>OnWingsOfMisery posted...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>DDirtyDastard posted...</cite> <quote>Most people here couldn't make a billion dollars if they worked every hour for the rest of their lives at their current wage, they wouldn't even come close.</quote> Yeah if you made thousands of dollars per day, and worked every day for hundreds of years, you still wouldn't be a billionaire.</quote> Do you mean if you just spend it all or just stick the money under your mattress? You could easily become a billionaire in much less than hundreds of years if you are making thousands per day.</quote> scar_the_1</quote> Let's say you make $3000 per day, every day, no vacation. How many days does it take to reach one billion? And for this example, your expenses are 0, so it's a net gain of $3000.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 10/13/19 12:09:58 PM #60:	LordRazziel posted... 1337toothbrush posted... LordRazziel posted... mario2000 posted... LordRazziel posted... That's not an answer. When you buy pc/console/video game, you could have fed a starving person. You put your own petty wants in front of their basic human needs. You acted selfishly. It doesn't make you a bad person. That's just how people are. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taxing the shit out of billionaires, but your excess is not fundamentally different than theirs. it is different because i'm not a billionaire So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning? It's simple. Let's start from the billionaires and work our way down. That's not simple, firstly you haven't described the cutoff, the main point. Secondly, what do you do with billionaires, seize all their assets? That's unconstitutional. Tax the billionaires and redistribute the wealth so we can increase the quality of life for everyone. The cut-off is when we've established an equal playing field. We're nowhere near that. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:928709496] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted... </cite> <quote>That's not an answer. When you buy pc/console/video game, you could have fed a starving person. You put your own petty wants in front of their basic human needs. You acted selfishly. It doesn't make you a bad person. That's just how people are. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taxing the shit out of billionaires, but your excess is not fundamentally different than theirs.</quote> it is different because i'm not a billionaire </quote> So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning?</quote> It's simple. Let's start from the billionaires and work our way down.</quote> That's not simple, firstly you haven't described the cutoff, the main point. Secondly, what do you do with billionaires, seize all their assets? That's unconstitutional.</quote> Tax the billionaires and redistribute the wealth so we can increase the quality of life for everyone. The cut-off is when we've established an equal playing field. We're nowhere near that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BarneyBosco 10/13/19 12:11:12 PM #61:	The left will always have the victim mentality and support theft. If these billionaires they hate so much packed up and left they'd then be mad that they had no longer have a job. --- http://celebmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Ana-Ivanovic-5.jpg PSN J_Frost77 search my PSN to join the Divinity Original Sin Community <cite>BarneyBosco posted [p:928709542] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>The left will always have the victim mentality and support theft. If these billionaires they hate so much packed up and left they'd then be mad that they had no longer have a job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 10/13/19 12:12:36 PM #62:	1337toothbrush posted... LordRazziel posted... 1337toothbrush posted... LordRazziel posted... mario2000 posted... LordRazziel posted... That's not an answer. When you buy pc/console/video game, you could have fed a starving person. You put your own petty wants in front of their basic human needs. You acted selfishly. It doesn't make you a bad person. That's just how people are. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taxing the shit out of billionaires, but your excess is not fundamentally different than theirs. it is different because i'm not a billionaire So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning? It's simple. Let's start from the billionaires and work our way down. That's not simple, firstly you haven't described the cutoff, the main point. Secondly, what do you do with billionaires, seize all their assets? That's unconstitutional. Tax the billionaires and redistribute the wealth so we can increase the quality of life for everyone. The cut-off is when we've established an equal playing field. We're nowhere near that. I've already said I'm for taxing billionaires more than once itt? What's, exactly, do you mean by an even playing field, and how do we make one? --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:928709585] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted... </cite> <quote>That's not an answer. When you buy pc/console/video game, you could have fed a starving person. You put your own petty wants in front of their basic human needs. You acted selfishly. It doesn't make you a bad person. That's just how people are. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taxing the shit out of billionaires, but your excess is not fundamentally different than theirs.</quote> it is different because i'm not a billionaire </quote> So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning?</quote> It's simple. Let's start from the billionaires and work our way down.</quote> That's not simple, firstly you haven't described the cutoff, the main point. Secondly, what do you do with billionaires, seize all their assets? That's unconstitutional.</quote> Tax the billionaires and redistribute the wealth so we can increase the quality of life for everyone. The cut-off is when we've established an equal playing field. We're nowhere near that.</quote> I've already said I'm for taxing billionaires more than once itt? What's, exactly, do you mean by an even playing field, and how do we make one?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 10/13/19 12:14:30 PM #63:	LordRazziel posted... IShall_Run_Amok posted... LordRazziel posted... mario2000 posted... LordRazziel posted... That's not an answer. When you buy pc/console/video game, you could have fed a starving person. You put your own petty wants in front of their basic human needs. You acted selfishly. It doesn't make you a bad person. That's just how people are. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taxing the shit out of billionaires, but your excess is not fundamentally different than theirs. it is different because i'm not a billionaire So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning? Numerous families can live inside a $300 million mansion, they can't live inside of a $250 Switch. A $250 dollar switch could feed numerous families. A $300 million mansion could feed numerous families for generations. --- On the whole, I'd rather have a Marple Cinematic Universe. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:928709637] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted... </cite> <quote>That's not an answer. When you buy pc/console/video game, you could have fed a starving person. You put your own petty wants in front of their basic human needs. You acted selfishly. It doesn't make you a bad person. That's just how people are. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taxing the shit out of billionaires, but your excess is not fundamentally different than theirs.</quote> it is different because i'm not a billionaire </quote> So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning?</quote> Numerous families can live inside a $300 million mansion, they can't live inside of a $250 Switch.</quote> A $250 dollar switch could feed numerous families.</quote> A $300 million mansion could feed numerous families for generations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 10/13/19 12:16:21 PM #64:	BarneyBosco posted... The left will always have the victim mentality and support theft. If these billionaires they hate so much packed up and left they'd then be mad that they had no longer have a job. Theft is creating an economic system where capital gets you more capital than labor. Work your ass off and you'll never earn as much as a billionaire parking their money in incredibly low-risk assets. You, working your ass off for an entire year: 5-6 figure salary Billionaire, doing absolutely nothing while their money sits in investments yielding just 1% return: 8+ figure "salary" Also, billionaires aren't job creators. In fact they're job destroyers since they're constantly finding ways to cut down the workforce to gain higher profits. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:928709684] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>BarneyBosco posted...</cite> <quote>The left will always have the victim mentality and support theft. If these billionaires they hate so much packed up and left they'd then be mad that they had no longer have a job.</quote> Theft is creating an economic system where capital gets you more capital than labor. Work your ass off and you'll never earn as much as a billionaire parking their money in incredibly low-risk assets. You, working your ass off for an entire year: 5-6 figure salary Billionaire, doing absolutely nothing while their money sits in investments yielding just 1% return: 8+ figure "salary" Also, billionaires aren't job creators. In fact they're job destroyers since they're constantly finding ways to cut down the workforce to gain higher profits.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordRazziel 10/13/19 12:17:30 PM #66:	IShall_Run_Amok posted... LordRazziel posted... IShall_Run_Amok posted... LordRazziel posted... mario2000 posted... LordRazziel posted... That's not an answer. When you buy pc/console/video game, you could have fed a starving person. You put your own petty wants in front of their basic human needs. You acted selfishly. It doesn't make you a bad person. That's just how people are. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taxing the shit out of billionaires, but your excess is not fundamentally different than theirs. it is different because i'm not a billionaire So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning? Numerous families can live inside a $300 million mansion, they can't live inside of a $250 Switch. A $250 dollar switch could feed numerous families. A $300 million mansion could feed numerous families for generations. Yes, but how is it fundamentally different? --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:928709715] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted... </cite> <quote>That's not an answer. When you buy pc/console/video game, you could have fed a starving person. You put your own petty wants in front of their basic human needs. You acted selfishly. It doesn't make you a bad person. That's just how people are. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taxing the shit out of billionaires, but your excess is not fundamentally different than theirs.</quote> it is different because i'm not a billionaire </quote> So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning?</quote> Numerous families can live inside a $300 million mansion, they can't live inside of a $250 Switch.</quote> A $250 dollar switch could feed numerous families.</quote> A $300 million mansion could feed numerous families for generations.</quote> Yes, but how is it fundamentally different?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 10/13/19 12:22:42 PM #67:	LordRazziel posted... 1337toothbrush posted... LordRazziel posted... 1337toothbrush posted... LordRazziel posted... mario2000 posted... LordRazziel posted... That's not an answer. When you buy pc/console/video game, you could have fed a starving person. You put your own petty wants in front of their basic human needs. You acted selfishly. It doesn't make you a bad person. That's just how people are. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taxing the shit out of billionaires, but your excess is not fundamentally different than theirs. it is different because i'm not a billionaire So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning? It's simple. Let's start from the billionaires and work our way down. That's not simple, firstly you haven't described the cutoff, the main point. Secondly, what do you do with billionaires, seize all their assets? That's unconstitutional. Tax the billionaires and redistribute the wealth so we can increase the quality of life for everyone. The cut-off is when we've established an equal playing field. We're nowhere near that. I've already said I'm for taxing billionaires more than once itt? What's, exactly, do you mean by an even playing field, and how do we make one? An even field is where: - a single medical emergency doesn't put you into bankruptcy - a quality education doesn't encumber you with a 5 or 6 figure amount of debt - children don't go hungry - people aren't living paycheck to paycheck - the quality of your public education isn't dictated by the wealthiness of the surrounding real estate - your opportunities in life aren't dictated by the wealth of your parents Let's at least start there. Before you think the following proves the system is fair enough: rare rags-to-riches stories don't mean the system isn't broken. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:928709900] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted... </cite> <quote>That's not an answer. When you buy pc/console/video game, you could have fed a starving person. You put your own petty wants in front of their basic human needs. You acted selfishly. It doesn't make you a bad person. That's just how people are. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taxing the shit out of billionaires, but your excess is not fundamentally different than theirs.</quote> it is different because i'm not a billionaire </quote> So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning?</quote> It's simple. Let's start from the billionaires and work our way down.</quote> That's not simple, firstly you haven't described the cutoff, the main point. Secondly, what do you do with billionaires, seize all their assets? That's unconstitutional.</quote> Tax the billionaires and redistribute the wealth so we can increase the quality of life for everyone. The cut-off is when we've established an equal playing field. We're nowhere near that.</quote> I've already said I'm for taxing billionaires more than once itt? What's, exactly, do you mean by an even playing field, and how do we make one?</quote> An even field is where: - a single medical emergency doesn't put you into bankruptcy - a quality education doesn't encumber you with a 5 or 6 figure amount of debt - children don't go hungry - people aren't living paycheck to paycheck - the quality of your public education isn't dictated by the wealthiness of the surrounding real estate - your opportunities in life aren't dictated by the wealth of your parents Let's at least start there. Before you think the following proves the system is fair enough: rare rags-to-riches stories don't mean the system isn't broken.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 10/13/19 12:24:25 PM #68:	fenderbender321 posted... If you don't steal the wealth, then it was earned. If it's so bad that some people make billions, then why do people keep giving them money? Define "earned". Exploiting labor and extracting wealth off their hard work like a parasite is not "earning" shit. Billionaires are the biggest parasites of all and you only look stupid defending them. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:928709956] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>If you don't steal the wealth, then it was earned. If it's so bad that some people make billions, then why do people keep giving them money?</quote> Define "earned". Exploiting labor and extracting wealth off their hard work like a parasite is not "earning" shit. Billionaires are the biggest parasites of all and you only look stupid defending them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 10/13/19 12:26:52 PM #69:	Ok, I'm all for that. Better tax laws and rules are a good start for that. I think were actually on the same page, here. --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:928710044] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>Ok, I'm all for that. Better tax laws and rules are a good start for that. I think were actually on the same page, here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OnWingsOfMisery 10/13/19 12:28:01 PM #70:	1337toothbrush posted... Ivany2008 posted... Some of them have. Guys like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs both earned their wealth, starting from literally nothing, just a vision. Nothing but a vision and vicious exploitation and shitty business practices. Yeah how dare they exploit the billions of people who escaped poverty because of their inventions. <cite>OnWingsOfMisery posted [p:928710077] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>Ivany2008 posted...</cite> <quote>Some of them have. Guys like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs both earned their wealth, starting from literally nothing, just a vision. </quote> Nothing but a vision and vicious exploitation and shitty business practices.</quote> Yeah how dare they exploit the billions of people who escaped poverty because of their inventions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BarneyBosco 10/13/19 12:29:31 PM #71:	1337toothbrush posted... BarneyBosco posted... The left will always have the victim mentality and support theft. If these billionaires they hate so much packed up and left they'd then be mad that they had no longer have a job. Theft is creating an economic system where capital gets you more capital than labor. Work your ass off and you'll never earn as much as a billionaire parking their money in incredibly low-risk assets. You, working your ass off for an entire year: 5-6 figure salary Billionaire, doing absolutely nothing while their money sits in investments yielding just 1% return: 8+ figure "salary" Also, billionaires aren't job creators. In fact they're job destroyers since they're constantly finding ways to cut down the workforce to gain higher profits. By your reasoning since they don't need to work to gain money, and they are not job creators, then why do they bother to employee anyone at all? You act as if they create jobs just to take them away for the shits and giggles of it. Sorry, but this is the typical boogyman is out to get me victim mentality the left is so eager to embrace. And yeah, the fry cook deserves less than the lawyer. --- http://celebmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Ana-Ivanovic-5.jpg PSN J_Frost77 search my PSN to join the Divinity Original Sin Community <cite>BarneyBosco posted [p:928710130] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>BarneyBosco posted...</cite> <quote>The left will always have the victim mentality and support theft. If these billionaires they hate so much packed up and left they'd then be mad that they had no longer have a job.</quote> Theft is creating an economic system where capital gets you more capital than labor. Work your ass off and you'll never earn as much as a billionaire parking their money in incredibly low-risk assets. You, working your ass off for an entire year: 5-6 figure salary Billionaire, doing absolutely nothing while their money sits in investments yielding just 1% return: 8+ figure "salary" Also, billionaires aren't job creators. In fact they're job destroyers since they're constantly finding ways to cut down the workforce to gain higher profits.</quote> By your reasoning since they don't need to work to gain money, and they are not job creators, then why do they bother to employee anyone at all? You act as if they create jobs just to take them away for the shits and giggles of it. Sorry, but this is the typical boogyman is out to get me victim mentality the left is so eager to embrace. And yeah, the fry cook deserves less than the lawyer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OnWingsOfMisery 10/13/19 12:31:41 PM #73:	scar the 1 posted... OnWingsOfMisery posted... OnWingsOfMisery posted... scar the 1 posted... DDirtyDastard posted... Most people here couldn't make a billion dollars if they worked every hour for the rest of their lives at their current wage, they wouldn't even come close. Yeah if you made thousands of dollars per day, and worked every day for hundreds of years, you still wouldn't be a billionaire. Do you mean if you just spend it all or just stick the money under your mattress? You could easily become a billionaire in much less than hundreds of years if you are making thousands per day. scar_the_1 Let's say you make $3000 per day, every day, no vacation. How many days does it take to reach one billion? And for this example, your expenses are 0, so it's a net gain of $3000. So assuming then that you invest $1,095,000 a year and earn 12% you would be a billionaire in a single working lifetime of 41 years. Faster if you invest into new businesses that earn considerably more than 12% a year. We can also include vacation days and this still checks out. And you could start with investing considerably less each year but still become very wealthy. <cite>OnWingsOfMisery posted [p:928710203] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>OnWingsOfMisery posted...</cite> <quote>OnWingsOfMisery posted...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>DDirtyDastard posted...</cite> <quote>Most people here couldn't make a billion dollars if they worked every hour for the rest of their lives at their current wage, they wouldn't even come close.</quote> Yeah if you made thousands of dollars per day, and worked every day for hundreds of years, you still wouldn't be a billionaire.</quote> Do you mean if you just spend it all or just stick the money under your mattress? You could easily become a billionaire in much less than hundreds of years if you are making thousands per day.</quote> scar_the_1</quote> Let's say you make $3000 per day, every day, no vacation. How many days does it take to reach one billion? And for this example, your expenses are 0, so it's a net gain of $3000.</quote> So assuming then that you invest $1,095,000 a year and earn 12% you would be a billionaire in a single working lifetime of 41 years. Faster if you invest into new businesses that earn considerably more than 12% a year. We can also include vacation days and this still checks out. And you could start with investing considerably less each year but still become very wealthy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scar the 1 10/13/19 12:35:44 PM #75:	OnWingsOfMisery posted... So assuming then that you invest $1,095,000 a year and earn 12% you would be a billionaire in a single working lifetime of 41 years. Faster if you invest into new businesses that earn considerably more than 12% a year. We can also include vacation days and this still checks out. So, essentially "if you make $3000 per day you would become a billionaire super fast, supposing that you make more than $3000 per day" --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:928710338] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>OnWingsOfMisery posted...</cite> <quote>So assuming then that you invest $1,095,000 a year and earn 12% you would be a billionaire in a single working lifetime of 41 years. Faster if you invest into new businesses that earn considerably more than 12% a year. We can also include vacation days and this still checks out.</quote> So, essentially "if you make $3000 per day you would become a billionaire super fast, supposing that you make more than $3000 per day"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OnWingsOfMisery 10/13/19 12:39:53 PM #76:	scar the 1 posted... OnWingsOfMisery posted... So assuming then that you invest $1,095,000 a year and earn 12% you would be a billionaire in a single working lifetime of 41 years. Faster if you invest into new businesses that earn considerably more than 12% a year. We can also include vacation days and this still checks out. So, essentially "if you make $3000 per day you would become a billionaire super fast, supposing that you make more than $3000 per day" Essentially I'm just showing you that you were wrong. Your argument is mathematically incorrect. No one who is building wealth simply takes their money and puts it under their mattress. It would be childish to assume that. None of the billionaires did that. They built platforms that enable countless other products and services to be sold. <cite>OnWingsOfMisery posted [p:928710494] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>OnWingsOfMisery posted...</cite> <quote>So assuming then that you invest $1,095,000 a year and earn 12% you would be a billionaire in a single working lifetime of 41 years. Faster if you invest into new businesses that earn considerably more than 12% a year. We can also include vacation days and this still checks out.</quote> So, essentially "if you make $3000 per day you would become a billionaire super fast, supposing that you make more than $3000 per day"</quote> Essentially I'm just showing you that you were wrong. Your argument is mathematically incorrect. No one who is building wealth simply takes their money and puts it under their mattress. It would be childish to assume that. None of the billionaires did that. They built platforms that enable countless other products and services to be sold.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sad_Face 10/13/19 12:43:57 PM #77:	yemmy posted... All these people bitching about how rich people fuck everyone over No one really willing to do anything about it Shut the fuck up about it then To be fair, the bitcoin and consequently the rest of the blockchain industry exists exactly for this purpose. Ironically, the governments and the rich are quite supportive of this industry and we're looking at probably the greatest creation of wealth ever to come into existence, with the rich profiting off of it and furthering the divide between the rich and the poor, specifically the ones who didn't take a chance and join the new frontier. The ones who did will be joining the rich as newly minted crypto millionaires. So I suggest you guys start reading up on this else you'll get swept under the waves of the 4th industrial revolution led by smart contracts. --- imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif <cite>Sad_Face posted [p:928710623] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>yemmy posted...</cite> <quote>All these people bitching about how rich people fuck everyone over No one really willing to do anything about it Shut the fuck up about it then</quote> To be fair, the bitcoin and consequently the rest of the blockchain industry exists exactly for this purpose. Ironically, the governments and the rich are quite supportive of this industry and we're looking at probably the greatest creation of wealth ever to come into existence, with the rich profiting off of it and furthering the divide between the rich and the poor, specifically the ones who didn't take a chance and join the new frontier. The ones who did will be joining the rich as newly minted crypto millionaires. So I suggest you guys start reading up on this else you'll get swept under the waves of the 4th industrial revolution led by smart contracts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 10/13/19 12:49:16 PM #78:	OnWingsOfMisery posted... Essentially I'm just showing you that you were wrong. Your argument is mathematically incorrect. No one who is building wealth simply takes their money and puts it under their mattress. It would be childish to assume that. None of the billionaires did that. They built platforms that enable countless other products and services to be sold. Lol, it's mathematically very correct. The only way you could work your way around it was by violating the only condition, a daily net gain of $3000. Ultimately you're just showing that you don't understand the point of the example - that even if you make a huge amount of money daily, it's impossible to reach a billion in a lifetime. It illustrates how absurdly much a billion is, and how much more it is than any single individual needs. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:928710798] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>OnWingsOfMisery posted...</cite> <quote>Essentially I'm just showing you that you were wrong. Your argument is mathematically incorrect. No one who is building wealth simply takes their money and puts it under their mattress. It would be childish to assume that. None of the billionaires did that. They built platforms that enable countless other products and services to be sold.</quote> Lol, it's mathematically very correct. The only way you could work your way around it was by violating the only condition, a daily net gain of $3000. Ultimately you're just showing that you don't understand the point of the example - that even if you make a huge amount of money daily, it's impossible to reach a billion in a lifetime. It illustrates how absurdly much a billion is, and how much more it is than any single individual needs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 10/13/19 12:49:20 PM #79:	LordRazziel posted... IShall_Run_Amok posted... LordRazziel posted... IShall_Run_Amok posted... LordRazziel posted... mario2000 posted... LordRazziel posted... That's not an answer. When you buy pc/console/video game, you could have fed a starving person. You put your own petty wants in front of their basic human needs. You acted selfishly. It doesn't make you a bad person. That's just how people are. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taxing the shit out of billionaires, but your excess is not fundamentally different than theirs. it is different because i'm not a billionaire So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning? Numerous families can live inside a $300 million mansion, they can't live inside of a $250 Switch. A $250 dollar switch could feed numerous families. A $300 million mansion could feed numerous families for generations. Yes, but how is it fundamentally different? Well, you can buy Switches with the mansion money, but you can't buy mansions with the Switch money. --- On the whole, I'd rather have a Marple Cinematic Universe. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:928710803] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted... </cite> <quote>That's not an answer. When you buy pc/console/video game, you could have fed a starving person. You put your own petty wants in front of their basic human needs. You acted selfishly. It doesn't make you a bad person. That's just how people are. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taxing the shit out of billionaires, but your excess is not fundamentally different than theirs.</quote> it is different because i'm not a billionaire </quote> So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning?</quote> Numerous families can live inside a $300 million mansion, they can't live inside of a $250 Switch.</quote> A $250 dollar switch could feed numerous families.</quote> A $300 million mansion could feed numerous families for generations.</quote> Yes, but how is it fundamentally different?</quote> Well, you can buy Switches with the mansion money, but you can't buy mansions with the Switch money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 10/13/19 12:58:58 PM #80:	OnWingsOfMisery posted... 1337toothbrush posted... Ivany2008 posted... Some of them have. Guys like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs both earned their wealth, starting from literally nothing, just a vision. Nothing but a vision and vicious exploitation and shitty business practices. Yeah how dare they exploit the billions of people who escaped poverty because of their inventions. You're claiming blue-screen-of-death-ridden Windows and computers/phones costing hundreds or thousands of dollars allowed billions of people to escape poverty? Don't play stupid. In fact, Apple took advantage of people in poverty by having their cheap workforce build them their products for a fraction of the price tag that they'd turn around and sell them for. This is the workforce that made the news due to how bad their working conditions were that the factory installed suicide nets to prevent workers from killing themselves. Cut the bullshit. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:928711179] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>OnWingsOfMisery posted...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>Ivany2008 posted...</cite> <quote>Some of them have. Guys like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs both earned their wealth, starting from literally nothing, just a vision. </quote> Nothing but a vision and vicious exploitation and shitty business practices.</quote> Yeah how dare they exploit the billions of people who escaped poverty because of their inventions.</quote> You're claiming blue-screen-of-death-ridden Windows and computers/phones costing hundreds or thousands of dollars allowed billions of people to escape poverty? Don't play stupid. In fact, Apple took advantage of people in poverty by having their cheap workforce build them their products for a fraction of the price tag that they'd turn around and sell them for. This is the workforce that made the news due to how bad their working conditions were that the factory installed suicide nets to prevent workers from killing themselves. Cut the bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 10/13/19 12:59:28 PM #81:	That's not fundamentally different than putting your petty want's before others basic human needs. --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:928711195] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>That's not fundamentally different than putting your petty want's before others basic human needs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 10/13/19 1:01:39 PM #82:	LordRazziel posted... So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning? already posted, learn to read --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:928711281] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted... </cite> <quote>So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning?</quote> already posted, learn to read </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 10/13/19 1:03:59 PM #83:	BarneyBosco posted... By your reasoning since they don't need to work to gain money, and they are not job creators, then why do they bother to employee anyone at all? You act as if they create jobs just to take them away for the shits and giggles of it. Sorry, but this is the typical boogyman is out to get me victim mentality the left is so eager to embrace. And yeah, the fry cook deserves less than the lawyer. They only bother to employ anyone at all because they know they can extract much more value out of their work. If they could replace everyone with robots, they would. In fact, they're striving for that. Nobody said anything about a fry cook earning as much as a lawyer, what a stupid strawman. Is your face so buried in rich people's asses that you're high off the fumes? --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:928711388] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>BarneyBosco posted...</cite> <quote>By your reasoning since they don't need to work to gain money, and they are not job creators, then why do they bother to employee anyone at all? You act as if they create jobs just to take them away for the shits and giggles of it. Sorry, but this is the typical boogyman is out to get me victim mentality the left is so eager to embrace. And yeah, the fry cook deserves less than the lawyer. </quote> They only bother to employ anyone at all because they know they can extract much more value out of their work. If they could replace everyone with robots, they would. In fact, they're striving for that. Nobody said anything about a fry cook earning as much as a lawyer, what a stupid strawman. Is your face so buried in rich people's asses that you're high off the fumes?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 10/13/19 1:06:41 PM #84:	fenderbender321 posted... 1337toothbrush posted... fenderbender321 posted... If you don't steal the wealth, then it was earned. If it's so bad that some people make billions, then why do people keep giving them money? Define "earned". Exploiting labor and extracting wealth off their hard work like a parasite is not "earning" shit. Billionaires are the biggest parasites of all and you only look stupid defending them. Let's try not to use terms like exploiting labor and instead get right into the facts. Is anyone forcing people to provide this labor? If so, then that is wrong. But if not, then that means the laborers or voluntarily choosing to provide it, likely because it's a better option for survival and a better means of life than anything anyone else is offering. In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with getting rich by providing a better option for people. In fact, I think it's a good thing. "Nobody is being forced, you have choices like working a miserable job for shitty pay or starving to death!!" Any more stupid arguments you'd like to play off the rich people's propaganda best hits mixtape? --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:928711483] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>If you don't steal the wealth, then it was earned. If it's so bad that some people make billions, then why do people keep giving them money?</quote> Define "earned". Exploiting labor and extracting wealth off their hard work like a parasite is not "earning" shit. Billionaires are the biggest parasites of all and you only look stupid defending them.</quote> Let's try not to use terms like exploiting labor and instead get right into the facts. Is anyone forcing people to provide this labor? If so, then that is wrong. But if not, then that means the laborers or voluntarily choosing to provide it, likely because it's a better option for survival and a better means of life than anything anyone else is offering. In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with getting rich by providing a better option for people. In fact, I think it's a good thing.</quote> "Nobody is being forced, you have choices like working a miserable job for shitty pay or starving to death!!" Any more stupid arguments you'd like to play off the rich people's propaganda best hits mixtape?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerKhan420 10/13/19 1:07:19 PM #85:	Do you want people to not work huh? There always has to be someone at the top and the ones at the bottom, in EVERYTHING in life. You have one parent who makes the whole household run, you have one principal in school, you have a boss at work etc etc. Most millionaires who start out with nothing sure have earned every bit of their money. What kinda rich people you talking about? Those born into it? So we should stop them from breeding so those kids don't grow up hating us poor people. --- "I know how the business works because I'm a wrestling fan"-hulkhogan1 <cite>KillerKhan420 posted [p:928711511] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>Do you want people to not work huh? There always has to be someone at the top and the ones at the bottom, in EVERYTHING in life. You have one parent who makes the whole household run, you have one principal in school, you have a boss at work etc etc. Most millionaires who start out with nothing sure have earned every bit of their money. What kinda rich people you talking about? Those born into it? So we should stop them from breeding so those kids don't grow up hating us poor people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OnWingsOfMisery 10/13/19 1:08:21 PM #86:	scar the 1 posted... OnWingsOfMisery posted... Essentially I'm just showing you that you were wrong. Your argument is mathematically incorrect. No one who is building wealth simply takes their money and puts it under their mattress. It would be childish to assume that. None of the billionaires did that. They built platforms that enable countless other products and services to be sold. Lol, it's mathematically very correct. The only way you could work your way around it was by violating the only condition, a daily net gain of $3000. Ultimately you're just showing that you don't understand the point of the example - that even if you make a huge amount of money daily, it's impossible to reach a billion in a lifetime. It illustrates how absurdly much a billion is, and how much more it is than any single individual needs. No one makes a billion in straight cash. The billionaires don't have their billions as cash just lying around. Their billions are in shares of their companies and other assets that are not liquid. Your example is very ignorant to basic wealth building principles and doesn't actually show anything important. In order to have a billion, you need to build and invest into things that go up in value. I could come up with a similarly ridiculous example like yours using someone who earns $1 a day and how they'll never get to a million dollars, but no one engaging in good faith would accept that this example is good commentary. <cite>OnWingsOfMisery posted [p:928711554] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>OnWingsOfMisery posted...</cite> <quote>Essentially I'm just showing you that you were wrong. Your argument is mathematically incorrect. No one who is building wealth simply takes their money and puts it under their mattress. It would be childish to assume that. None of the billionaires did that. They built platforms that enable countless other products and services to be sold.</quote> Lol, it's mathematically very correct. The only way you could work your way around it was by violating the only condition, a daily net gain of $3000. Ultimately you're just showing that you don't understand the point of the example - that even if you make a huge amount of money daily, it's impossible to reach a billion in a lifetime. It illustrates how absurdly much a billion is, and how much more it is than any single individual needs.</quote> No one makes a billion in straight cash. The billionaires don't have their billions as cash just lying around. Their billions are in shares of their companies and other assets that are not liquid. Your example is very ignorant to basic wealth building principles and doesn't actually show anything important. In order to have a billion, you need to build and invest into things that go up in value. I could come up with a similarly ridiculous example like yours using someone who earns $1 a day and how they'll never get to a million dollars, but no one engaging in good faith would accept that this example is good commentary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 10/13/19 1:09:28 PM #87:	The anti-billionaire camp is really just a citizen wealth cap in disguise. To a large extent, money is power and we're not seeing what it's like when citizens have unbounded access to power. Limiting wealth in this regard prevents any one citizen from gaining sufficient power over others. It's a balancing mechanism intended to make our democracy, well, more democratic. --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:928711594] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>The anti-billionaire camp is really just a citizen wealth cap in disguise. To a large extent, money is power and we're not seeing what it's like when citizens have unbounded access to power. Limiting wealth in this regard prevents any one citizen from gaining sufficient power over others. It's a balancing mechanism intended to make our democracy, well, more democratic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OnWingsOfMisery 10/13/19 1:10:37 PM #88:	1337toothbrush posted... OnWingsOfMisery posted... 1337toothbrush posted... Ivany2008 posted... Some of them have. Guys like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs both earned their wealth, starting from literally nothing, just a vision. Nothing but a vision and vicious exploitation and shitty business practices. Yeah how dare they exploit the billions of people who escaped poverty because of their inventions. You're claiming blue-screen-of-death-ridden Windows and computers/phones costing hundreds or thousands of dollars allowed billions of people to escape poverty? Don't play stupid. In fact, Apple took advantage of people in poverty by having their cheap workforce build them their products for a fraction of the price tag that they'd turn around and sell them for. This is the workforce that made the news due to how bad their working conditions were that the factory installed suicide nets to prevent workers from killing themselves. Cut the bullshit. Those products have enabled billions to escape poverty because of the jobs and companies that have sprung forth as a direct result of those products existing. Just like you said earlier, exceptions don't make the rule. You said earlier that rags to riches stories don't prove the general argument wrong. The same applies here. China having awful factories (though less awful than the 18 hours a day in the fields those workers had before) doesn't mean that my general argument is wrong. Look at all the industries and software and economic activity that was created thanks to Bill Gates. <cite>OnWingsOfMisery posted [p:928711642] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>OnWingsOfMisery posted...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>Ivany2008 posted...</cite> <quote>Some of them have. Guys like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs both earned their wealth, starting from literally nothing, just a vision. </quote> Nothing but a vision and vicious exploitation and shitty business practices.</quote> Yeah how dare they exploit the billions of people who escaped poverty because of their inventions.</quote> You're claiming blue-screen-of-death-ridden Windows and computers/phones costing hundreds or thousands of dollars allowed billions of people to escape poverty? Don't play stupid. In fact, Apple took advantage of people in poverty by having their cheap workforce build them their products for a fraction of the price tag that they'd turn around and sell them for. This is the workforce that made the news due to how bad their working conditions were that the factory installed suicide nets to prevent workers from killing themselves. Cut the bullshit.</quote> Those products have enabled billions to escape poverty because of the jobs and companies that have sprung forth as a direct result of those products existing. Just like you said earlier, exceptions don't make the rule. You said earlier that rags to riches stories don't prove the general argument wrong. The same applies here. China having awful factories (though less awful than the 18 hours a day in the fields those workers had before) doesn't mean that my general argument is wrong. Look at all the industries and software and economic activity that was created thanks to Bill Gates.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 10/13/19 1:11:19 PM #89:	mario2000 posted... LordRazziel posted... So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning? already posted, learn to read So, once you hit a billion, you become evil? What's with the attitude? Agian, can you please explain why it isn't evil for you to put your wants before the basic, human needs? Something beyond "they're billionaires" --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:928711669] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>LordRazziel posted... </cite> <quote>So, what's the cut off? A video game console is worth more than the needs of the suffering, but not a mansion? Can you please expound on your reasoning?</quote> already posted, learn to read </quote> So, once you hit a billion, you become evil? What's with the attitude? Agian, can you please explain why it isn't evil for you to put your wants before the basic, human needs? Something beyond "they're billionaires"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 10/13/19 1:18:32 PM #90:	MutantJohn posted... The anti-billionaire camp is really just a citizen wealth cap in disguise. To a large extent, money is power and we're not seeing what it's like when citizens have unbounded access to power. Limiting wealth in this regard prevents any one citizen from gaining sufficient power over others. It's a balancing mechanism intended to make our democracy, well, more democratic. You admit money is power. Billionaires have lots of money and thus lots of power. With that power they have been driving down wages, in other words: a citizen wealth cap. That includes your wealth, by the way, so think how smart you look defending billionaires who are screwing you over. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:928711961] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>MutantJohn posted...</cite> <quote>The anti-billionaire camp is really just a citizen wealth cap in disguise. To a large extent, money is power and we're not seeing what it's like when citizens have unbounded access to power. Limiting wealth in this regard prevents any one citizen from gaining sufficient power over others. It's a balancing mechanism intended to make our democracy, well, more democratic. </quote> You admit money is power. Billionaires have lots of money and thus lots of power. With that power they have been driving down wages, in other words: a citizen wealth cap. That includes your wealth, by the way, so think how smart you look defending billionaires who are screwing you over.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yemmy 10/13/19 1:19:28 PM #91:	Webmaster4531 posted... eyeroll They're not voting for Trump that's for sure. Is that an assumption that I am or did? Socialism is one of the only forms of government that requires billionaires btw. There is always gonna be "the man" or any society is doomed to collapse. Voting is a joke. Unless we can get out of a two party system we are just gonna shovel the same shit around --- p226 <cite>yemmy posted [p:928711998] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>Webmaster4531 posted... </cite> <quote>eyeroll They're not voting for Trump that's for sure.</quote> Is that an assumption that I am or did? Socialism is one of the only forms of government that requires billionaires btw. There is always gonna be "the man" or any society is doomed to collapse. Voting is a joke. Unless we can get out of a two party system we are just gonna shovel the same shit around </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 10/13/19 1:20:44 PM #92:	OnWingsOfMisery posted... 1337toothbrush posted... OnWingsOfMisery posted... 1337toothbrush posted... Ivany2008 posted... Some of them have. Guys like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs both earned their wealth, starting from literally nothing, just a vision. Nothing but a vision and vicious exploitation and shitty business practices. Yeah how dare they exploit the billions of people who escaped poverty because of their inventions. You're claiming blue-screen-of-death-ridden Windows and computers/phones costing hundreds or thousands of dollars allowed billions of people to escape poverty? Don't play stupid. In fact, Apple took advantage of people in poverty by having their cheap workforce build them their products for a fraction of the price tag that they'd turn around and sell them for. This is the workforce that made the news due to how bad their working conditions were that the factory installed suicide nets to prevent workers from killing themselves. Cut the bullshit. Those products have enabled billions to escape poverty because of the jobs and companies that have sprung forth as a direct result of those products existing. Just like you said earlier, exceptions don't make the rule. You said earlier that rags to riches stories don't prove the general argument wrong. The same applies here. China having awful factories (though less awful than the 18 hours a day in the fields those workers had before) doesn't mean that my general argument is wrong. Look at all the industries and software and economic activity that was created thanks to Bill Gates. Jobs? You mean like the jobs DESTROYED by Microsoft's anti-competitive practices which included buying out competitors and then liquidating them? Or do you instead mean the jobs Apple made in China where the work conditions are so poor that the factory had to install suicide nets to prevent workers from killing themselves? This isn't the exception when it comes to these companies, it's the fucking rule. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:928712048] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>OnWingsOfMisery posted...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>OnWingsOfMisery posted...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>Ivany2008 posted...</cite> <quote>Some of them have. Guys like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs both earned their wealth, starting from literally nothing, just a vision. </quote> Nothing but a vision and vicious exploitation and shitty business practices.</quote> Yeah how dare they exploit the billions of people who escaped poverty because of their inventions.</quote> You're claiming blue-screen-of-death-ridden Windows and computers/phones costing hundreds or thousands of dollars allowed billions of people to escape poverty? Don't play stupid. In fact, Apple took advantage of people in poverty by having their cheap workforce build them their products for a fraction of the price tag that they'd turn around and sell them for. This is the workforce that made the news due to how bad their working conditions were that the factory installed suicide nets to prevent workers from killing themselves. Cut the bullshit.</quote> Those products have enabled billions to escape poverty because of the jobs and companies that have sprung forth as a direct result of those products existing. Just like you said earlier, exceptions don't make the rule. You said earlier that rags to riches stories don't prove the general argument wrong. The same applies here. China having awful factories (though less awful than the 18 hours a day in the fields those workers had before) doesn't mean that my general argument is wrong. Look at all the industries and software and economic activity that was created thanks to Bill Gates.</quote> Jobs? You mean like the jobs DESTROYED by Microsoft's anti-competitive practices which included buying out competitors and then liquidating them? Or do you instead mean the jobs Apple made in China where the work conditions are so poor that the factory had to install suicide nets to prevent workers from killing themselves? This isn't the exception when it comes to these companies, it's the fucking rule.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordRazziel 10/13/19 1:23:06 PM #94:	Hairistotle posted... i really dont understand how anyone who isnt rich can defend billionaires. it seems like mass delusion or something Why is it delusional to think it isn't wrong for others to have more than you? --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:928712151] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>i really dont understand how anyone who isnt rich can defend billionaires. it seems like mass delusion or something</quote> Why is it delusional to think it isn't wrong for others to have more than you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yemmy 10/13/19 1:27:24 PM #96:	Hairistotle posted... i really dont understand how anyone who isnt rich can defend billionaires. it seems like mass delusion or something Well there are 2 schools of thought here and I can see both. If we make the government more powerful, tax the shit out of the billionaires, do you trust that the government is actually gonna do a better job distributing wealth than the employers? It depends on how much you trust the government. Right now I don't. Like I said until we can get out of this 2 party system it is gonna stay the same. --- p226 <cite>yemmy posted [p:928712318] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>Hairistotle posted... </cite> <quote>i really dont understand how anyone who isnt rich can defend billionaires. it seems like mass delusion or something</quote> Well there are 2 schools of thought here and I can see both. If we make the government more powerful, tax the shit out of the billionaires, do you trust that the government is actually gonna do a better job distributing wealth than the employers? It depends on how much you trust the government. Right now I don't. Like I said until we can get out of this 2 party system it is gonna stay the same. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirkDiggles 10/13/19 1:28:33 PM #97:	Bill Gates earned it. --- https://imgtc.com/i/5CTKeaL.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/G9w39yE.gif <cite>DirkDiggles posted [p:928712377] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>Bill Gates earned it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OnWingsOfMisery 10/13/19 1:28:50 PM #98:	1337toothbrush posted... OnWingsOfMisery posted... 1337toothbrush posted... OnWingsOfMisery posted... 1337toothbrush posted... Ivany2008 posted... Some of them have. Guys like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs both earned their wealth, starting from literally nothing, just a vision. Nothing but a vision and vicious exploitation and shitty business practices. Yeah how dare they exploit the billions of people who escaped poverty because of their inventions. You're claiming blue-screen-of-death-ridden Windows and computers/phones costing hundreds or thousands of dollars allowed billions of people to escape poverty? Don't play stupid. In fact, Apple took advantage of people in poverty by having their cheap workforce build them their products for a fraction of the price tag that they'd turn around and sell them for. This is the workforce that made the news due to how bad their working conditions were that the factory installed suicide nets to prevent workers from killing themselves. Cut the bullshit. Those products have enabled billions to escape poverty because of the jobs and companies that have sprung forth as a direct result of those products existing. Just like you said earlier, exceptions don't make the rule. You said earlier that rags to riches stories don't prove the general argument wrong. The same applies here. China having awful factories (though less awful than the 18 hours a day in the fields those workers had before) doesn't mean that my general argument is wrong. Look at all the industries and software and economic activity that was created thanks to Bill Gates. Jobs? You mean like the jobs DESTROYED by Microsoft's anti-competitive practices which included buying out competitors and then liquidating them? Or do you instead mean the jobs Apple made in China where the work conditions are so poor that the factory had to install suicide nets to prevent workers from killing themselves? This isn't the exception when it comes to these companies, it's the fucking rule. How many billions have escaped poverty because of the tools and products built by Apple, Microsoft, and other companies? Smart phone apps are an example of a brand new industry that has helped hundreds of millions. <cite>OnWingsOfMisery posted [p:928712389] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>OnWingsOfMisery posted...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>OnWingsOfMisery posted...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>Ivany2008 posted...</cite> <quote>Some of them have. Guys like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs both earned their wealth, starting from literally nothing, just a vision. </quote> Nothing but a vision and vicious exploitation and shitty business practices.</quote> Yeah how dare they exploit the billions of people who escaped poverty because of their inventions.</quote> You're claiming blue-screen-of-death-ridden Windows and computers/phones costing hundreds or thousands of dollars allowed billions of people to escape poverty? Don't play stupid. In fact, Apple took advantage of people in poverty by having their cheap workforce build them their products for a fraction of the price tag that they'd turn around and sell them for. This is the workforce that made the news due to how bad their working conditions were that the factory installed suicide nets to prevent workers from killing themselves. Cut the bullshit.</quote> Those products have enabled billions to escape poverty because of the jobs and companies that have sprung forth as a direct result of those products existing. Just like you said earlier, exceptions don't make the rule. You said earlier that rags to riches stories don't prove the general argument wrong. The same applies here. China having awful factories (though less awful than the 18 hours a day in the fields those workers had before) doesn't mean that my general argument is wrong. Look at all the industries and software and economic activity that was created thanks to Bill Gates.</quote> Jobs? You mean like the jobs DESTROYED by Microsoft's anti-competitive practices which included buying out competitors and then liquidating them? Or do you instead mean the jobs Apple made in China where the work conditions are so poor that the factory had to install suicide nets to prevent workers from killing themselves? This isn't the exception when it comes to these companies, it's the fucking rule.</quote> How many billions have escaped poverty because of the tools and products built by Apple, Microsoft, and other companies? Smart phone apps are an example of a brand new industry that has helped hundreds of millions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 10/13/19 1:29:23 PM #99:	fenderbender321 posted... 1337toothbrush posted... fenderbender321 posted... 1337toothbrush posted... fenderbender321 posted... If you don't steal the wealth, then it was earned. If it's so bad that some people make billions, then why do people keep giving them money? Define "earned". Exploiting labor and extracting wealth off their hard work like a parasite is not "earning" shit. Billionaires are the biggest parasites of all and you only look stupid defending them. Let's try not to use terms like exploiting labor and instead get right into the facts. Is anyone forcing people to provide this labor? If so, then that is wrong. But if not, then that means the laborers or voluntarily choosing to provide it, likely because it's a better option for survival and a better means of life than anything anyone else is offering. In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with getting rich by providing a better option for people. In fact, I think it's a good thing. "Nobody is being forced, you have choices like working a miserable job for shitty pay or starving to death!!" Any more stupid arguments you'd like to play off the rich people's propaganda best hits mixtape? This isn't a good route to take your argument because if that better option isn't available, then life would be even shittier. There's a much better option and it involves taking back the wealth that the rich parasites have been sucking out of us for too long. You can enjoy the peasant life picking between two shitty choices. Anyone with a brain would prefer something better. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:928712405] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>If you don't steal the wealth, then it was earned. If it's so bad that some people make billions, then why do people keep giving them money?</quote> Define "earned". Exploiting labor and extracting wealth off their hard work like a parasite is not "earning" shit. Billionaires are the biggest parasites of all and you only look stupid defending them.</quote> Let's try not to use terms like exploiting labor and instead get right into the facts. Is anyone forcing people to provide this labor? If so, then that is wrong. But if not, then that means the laborers or voluntarily choosing to provide it, likely because it's a better option for survival and a better means of life than anything anyone else is offering. In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with getting rich by providing a better option for people. In fact, I think it's a good thing.</quote> "Nobody is being forced, you have choices like working a miserable job for shitty pay or starving to death!!" Any more stupid arguments you'd like to play off the rich people's propaganda best hits mixtape?</quote> This isn't a good route to take your argument because if that better option isn't available, then life would be even shittier.</quote> There's a much better option and it involves taking back the wealth that the rich parasites have been sucking out of us for too long. You can enjoy the peasant life picking between two shitty choices. Anyone with a brain would prefer something better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 10/13/19 1:31:28 PM #100:	Vince McMahon very much worked for his wealth. His dad didn't give him shit, so he saved up and bought the company from him. Jay Z very much worked for his wealth Lots of people have --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:928712483] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>Vince McMahon very much worked for his wealth. His dad didn't give him shit, so he saved up and bought the company from him. Jay Z very much worked for his wealth Lots of people have </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 10/13/19 1:32:20 PM #101:	OnWingsOfMisery posted... How many billions have escaped poverty because of the tools and products built by Apple, Microsoft, and other companies? Smart phone apps are an example of a brand new industry that has helped hundreds of millions. Zero. In fact, make that a negative number. Smart phone apps have enabled the gig economy which has only served to undercut wages and make people poorer. Taxi drivers are committing suicide because they can't compete with the flood of desperate uber and lyft drivers who themselves are barely making money (if any) after maintenance costs and fuel. You drank the kool-aid too hard. In fact, you've dunked your entire fucking head in it. Stop lapping up the bullshit that the rich spew. They are actively making the world a worse place. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:928712515] in billionair... [t:78082189]...</cite> <quote>OnWingsOfMisery posted...</cite> <quote>How many billions have escaped poverty because of the tools and products built by Apple, Microsoft, and other companies? Smart phone apps are an example of a brand new industry that has helped hundreds of millions.</quote> Zero. In fact, make that a negative number. Smart phone apps have enabled the gig economy which has only served to undercut wages and make people poorer. Taxi drivers are committing suicide because they can't compete with the flood of desperate uber and lyft drivers who themselves are barely making money (if any) after maintenance costs and fuel. You drank the kool-aid too hard. In fact, you've dunked your entire fucking head in it. Stop lapping up the bullshit that the rich spew. They are actively making the world a worse place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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