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Antifar
10/11/19 11:54:16 AM
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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/georgia-southern-burned-latina-authors-book
A group of students at a predominantly white public university in Georgia burned the book of a Latina author who had delivered a lecture on campus after some attendees accused her of "dissing white people."

Jennine Cap Crucet, a New York Times contributor and associate professor at the University of Nebraska, spoke about her novel Make Your Home Among Strangers at Georgia Southern University on Wednesday night. The award-winning book, published in 2015, tells the story of a Cuban American girl from Miami who gets accepted to a prestigious college in New York and struggles to fit into the privileged, predominantly white environment.

The book was required reading for some of Georgia Southern's First-Year Experience classes, according to the university.

On Wednesday evening, the school hosted Crucet, who spoke to the entire first-year class at the performing arts center. When she opened the floor to the audience for questions, some attendees peppered her for criticizing white people, according to the George-Anne, the university's newspaper.

I noticed that you made a lot of generalizations about the majority of white people being privileged, one student said to the author, according to the paper. What makes you believe that its okay to come to a college campus, like this, when we are supposed to be promoting diversity on this campus, which is what were taught. I dont understand what the purpose of this was.

Responding to the student, Crucet said that she was invited to speak at the university and discussed white privilege because "it's a real thing that you are actually benefiting from right now in even asking this question, according to the George-Anne.

Her answer elicited more questions about race from the audience.

BuzzFeed News spoke with six first-year students, five women and one man, who attended the lecture, all of whom asked not to be named. The students were required to attend the lecture, along with hundreds of their classmates, and said that Crucet attacked white people "for an hour" and assumed that the entire audience was privileged.

"She came to our school and, the audience was predominantly white, and she came in and was attacking white people for an hour, putting all these stereotypes and generalizations on us," said one 18-year-old attendee. "Like all white people are privileged and racist."

Another student said the audience reacted when the author stated that most white people "needed to be removed from authority positions because two-thirds of people in high positions should not be white."

"She wanted everyone to be equal and says she is against racism but she was shitting on white people the whole time," the 18-year-old male student said. "I can understand the message she was trying to get out but I don't know what reaction she was expecting when she comes to a school that's 75% white. I agree there is such a thing as white privilege but the way she was saying it was not OK to our student body."

All of the students who spoke with BuzzFeed News were born and raised in Georgia. One of the students said she is half-Dominican; the rest are white.
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Later that night, a group of students gathered on campus and burned her book, according to statements from the university and videos posted on Twitter. Some even gathered outside her hotel, the school's department of Writing and Linguistics said on Facebook, writing that it is "dismayed and disappointed by the uproar against" the author.

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LordFarquad1312
10/11/19 11:54:50 AM
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Antifar posted...
Georgia

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sylverlolol
10/11/19 11:55:23 AM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
Antifar posted...
Georgia

Pretty much.
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10/11/19 11:55:35 AM
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Antifar posted...
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Prestoff
10/11/19 12:13:40 PM
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Antifar posted...
"She wanted everyone to be equal and says she is against racism but she was shitting on white people the whole time," the 18-year-old male student said. "I can understand the message she was trying to get out but I don't know what reaction she was expecting when she comes to a school that's 75% white. I agree there is such a thing as white privilege but the way she was saying it was not OK to our student body."


This girl said it perfectly in my opinion.
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Balrog0
10/11/19 12:43:12 PM
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At one point I would have thought it was odd to see so many women protesting the concept of white privilege but recent research has made me view that in a new light

The majority of white men, for example, claim that whites have a better chance than
Blacks of accessing good schools (59 percent) and being treated fairly by the police (63
percent), but only 41 percent of white women report ingroup privilege in the realm of
education and just 48 percent say that white Americans receive better treatment from police.
A greater proportion of white men also report group-wide privilege when they think about
the realm of employment (42 versus 28 percentnet 14 percentage points), and customer
service (35 versus 22 percentnet 13 percentage points). On the matter of personal benefits
from whiteness, the trend continues with a larger proportion of white men believing that
being white is personally advantageous with the police (net 16 percentage points), in schools
(net 12 percentage points), in the workplace (net 11 percentage points), and in being treated
well in a business establishment (net 7 percentage points).

I think the thing is that women (rightfully) see themselves as disadvantaged and therefore often have a harder time seeing that they are also advantaged in other ways

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RickyTheBAWSE
10/11/19 12:47:25 PM
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Prestoff posted...
Antifar posted...
"She wanted everyone to be equal and says she is against racism but she was shitting on white people the whole time," the 18-year-old male student said. "I can understand the message she was trying to get out but I don't know what reaction she was expecting when she comes to a school that's 75% white. I agree there is such a thing as white privilege but the way she was saying it was not OK to our student body."


This girl said it perfectly in my opinion.


what would be the best way to discuss such a subject, though? examples maybe?
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BLAKUboy
10/11/19 12:50:36 PM
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As an aspiring author, I know I would be just so very distraught at people buying my book.

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Questionmarktarius
10/11/19 12:51:21 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
what would be the best way to discuss such a subject, though? examples maybe?

I dunno, but "you suck, go away" is definitely a bad way to do it.
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darkphoenix181
10/11/19 12:52:30 PM
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Antifar posted...
Later that night, a group of students gathered on campus and burned her book,


Wait

So they didn't protest during her speech and shout over her?
They didn't threaten her so she needed to hire security?
Did they even knock over garbage cans and shriek loudly? Hold up signs?

After she left, they burned a book.

And this is a big deal because?

Antifar posted...
Some even gathered outside her hotel, the school's department of Writing and Linguistics said on Facebook, writing that it is "dismayed and disappointed by the uproar against" the author.


This part would be a bigger deal.

Why does anyonr care that a book got burned when the author wasn't even present to witness it?
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K181
10/11/19 12:53:35 PM
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So they made their college look like it was full of idiots and gave the offending author free publicity?
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Squall28
10/11/19 12:56:57 PM
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How was she saying it? Sounds like the students didn't mind the message but dislike how it was delivered
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awesome999
10/11/19 12:57:42 PM
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As long as they burned their own books it's okay

I mean, they probably would have to buy new ones and that's just more business for the author lol
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MrMallard
10/11/19 1:00:18 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
Antifar posted...
Georgia

all of whom asked not to be named

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Machete
10/11/19 1:03:46 PM
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Wow those students sound like a bunch of triggered snowflake crybabies and their actions were entirely self-destructive.
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Prestoff
10/11/19 1:08:46 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Prestoff posted...
Antifar posted...
"She wanted everyone to be equal and says she is against racism but she was shitting on white people the whole time," the 18-year-old male student said. "I can understand the message she was trying to get out but I don't know what reaction she was expecting when she comes to a school that's 75% white. I agree there is such a thing as white privilege but the way she was saying it was not OK to our student body."


This girl said it perfectly in my opinion.

Shes right but saying it to our faces was bad because were white is such a bad take


It honestly sounds to me that she did a crappy delivery of the said message from the responses in the article.
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Sad_Face
10/11/19 1:10:37 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
what would be the best way to discuss such a subject, though? examples maybe?

Depends on your intentions. What are you trying to accomplish by highlighting someone's privilege? Are you trying to marginalize their accomplishments? Are you using it as an excuse for why you aren't as successful?

There's a difference between highlighting what others have compared to you and straight up shaming people for having a better start than you. The former gives you insight on how to get to their level whereas the latter is you pulling them down to yours.
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Questionmarktarius
10/11/19 1:11:17 PM
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Prestoff posted...
It honestly sounds to me that she did a crappy delivery of the said message from the responses in the article.

Here's all you need to know.

"White people are racist and evil and the world would be a better place for everyone else if they go away!" = not racist
"What, like Zimbabwe?" = racist as fuck
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Romes187
10/11/19 1:12:52 PM
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imagine burning books

yikes
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/11/19 1:13:35 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
what would be the best way to discuss such a subject, though? examples maybe?

I dunno, but "you suck, go away" is definitely a bad way to do it.


agreed, but that doesn't answer the question, lol. but you knew that.

but since we're a people who wait for more evidence and don't just take these claims at face value because not every interpretation is the best representation, a better discussion would be "what's the best way to approach this" to prevent such a fiasco in the future.
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FrozenXylophone
10/11/19 1:13:44 PM
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Machete posted...
Wow those students sound like a bunch of triggered snowflake crybabies and their actions were entirely self-destructive.


The only triggering I see is liberal news and users upset that they were immensely civil and on their own time and dime voice displeasure.

Headline should read:

"Very Civil College students disagreed with a liberal speaker! How dare they! This is national news worthy! We love burning flags but how dare they burn a book they bought! Omg"
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Machete
10/11/19 1:17:06 PM
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FrozenXylophone posted...
Machete posted...
Wow those students sound like a bunch of triggered snowflake crybabies and their actions were entirely self-destructive.


The only triggering I see is liberal news and users upset that they were immensely civil and on their own time and dime voice displeasure.

Headline should read:

"Very Civil College students disagreed with a liberal speaker! How dare they! This is national news worthy! We love burning flags but how dare they burn a book they bought! Omg"


I don't care about the headline because I actually read the article. Either you didn't or you're just shitposting.
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FrozenXylophone
10/11/19 1:18:25 PM
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Machete posted...
FrozenXylophone posted...
Machete posted...
Wow those students sound like a bunch of triggered snowflake crybabies and their actions were entirely self-destructive.


The only triggering I see is liberal news and users upset that they were immensely civil and on their own time and dime voice displeasure.

Headline should read:

"Very Civil College students disagreed with a liberal speaker! How dare they! This is national news worthy! We love burning flags but how dare they burn a book they bought! Omg"


I don't care about the headline because I actually read the article. Either you didn't or you're just shitposting.


How were they not civil?

Are you against peaceful protest now?
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FrozenXylophone
10/11/19 1:21:06 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
It was a civilized book burning is definitely a funny line of thinking


Book burning, flag burning, burning pinata of Donald Trump; what is not civil about these?
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Questionmarktarius
10/11/19 1:21:59 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
agreed, but that doesn't answer the question, lol. but you knew that.

The root issue is, the most obnoxious among the "woke" have a mindset based around redistribution and/or identity politics. Usually both.

The thought process isn't "what can I do to be CEO of Stuffy White Bread Corp?" It's "take that evil white guy's position and give it to a POC!" as a quota, without any real care who that POC is.

Positions can be opened without taking them away (in aggregate anyway), once it's realized that it's usually the same old farts on several executive boards.. Some guy on eleven boards instead of twelve does open a seat, but insisting on a quota system reduces candidates to checkboxes instead being individuals.

Quotas are bad because it's a terrible idea to attempt to defeat discrimination by mandating discrimination.
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Balrog0
10/11/19 1:22:34 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
The thought process isn't "what can I do to be CEO of Stuffy White Bread Corp?" It's "take that evil white guy's position and give it to a POC!" as a quota, without any real care who that POC is.


that's not true at all

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Questionmarktarius
10/11/19 1:24:03 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
The thought process isn't "what can I do to be CEO of Stuffy White Bread Corp?" It's "take that evil white guy's position and give it to a POC!" as a quota, without any real care who that POC is.


that's not true at all

Were this anyone else, I'd double down on ranting.

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10/11/19 1:24:27 PM
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Antifar posted...
Another student said the audience reacted when the author stated that most white people "needed to be removed from authority positions because two-thirds of people in high positions should not be white."


Smart kids. They know not to be suckered in by such an obvious racist piece of shit. Couldn't say the same for Berkley or UCLA on the other hand.
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/11/19 1:24:48 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
agreed, but that doesn't answer the question, lol. but you knew that.

The root issue is, the most obnoxious among the "woke" have a mindset based around redistribution and/or identity politics. Usually both.

The thought process isn't "what can I do to be CEO of Stuffy White Bread Corp?" It's "take that evil white guy's position and give it to a POC!" as a quota, without any real care who that POC is.

Positions can be opened without taking them away (in aggregate anyway), once it's realized that it's usually the same old farts on several executive boards.. Some guy on eleven boards instead of twelve does open a seat, but insisting on a quota system reduces candidates to checkboxes instead being individuals.

Quotas are bad because it's a terrible idea to attempt to defeat discrimination by mandating discrimination.


is this what you got from the author?

or are you attaching your own content to this situation?
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spudger
10/11/19 1:25:22 PM
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anybody burning books is acting like a nazi
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FrozenXylophone
10/11/19 1:25:44 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
FrozenXylophone posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
It was a civilized book burning is definitely a funny line of thinking


Book burning, flag burning, burning pinata of Donald Trump; what is not civil about these?

My point is that youre focusing on the civility rather than the action itself.


Wrong.
The action, what is the issue with it?
If someone wants to burn the USA flag, they may.

If they burned her book at her talk or in front of her, that would have been bad.

But they didn't, did they?
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Balrog0
10/11/19 1:26:06 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Were this anyone else, I'd double down on ranting.

So... I'm listening.


usually I see discussions of white privilege that revolve around the concept of structural or systemic racism

there is definitely a strain of pro-diversity identity politics types who care about stuff like female and minority representation in positions of power but I don't think the two discussions really intersect very much, or at least I've never seen it

the sort of people who I talk to about white privilege are more likely to want to dismantle power structures like that period in a socialist kind of way

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Questionmarktarius
10/11/19 1:26:14 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
is this what you got from the author?

or are you attaching your own content to this situation?

Probably both.

Another student said the audience reacted when the author stated that most white people "needed to be removed from authority positions because two-thirds of people in high positions should not be white."
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RickyTheBAWSE
10/11/19 1:26:46 PM
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spudger posted...
anybody burning books is acting like a nazi


what if they're just cold and trying to warm up and stop their nipples from poking through their turtleneck?
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Balrog0
10/11/19 1:27:59 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Probably both.


yeah seems like I'm wrong in this case

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RickyTheBAWSE
10/11/19 1:27:59 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
is this what you got from the author?

or are you attaching your own content to this situation?

Probably both.

Another student said the audience reacted when the author stated that most white people "needed to be removed from authority positions because two-thirds of people in high positions should not be white."


what did you get from that quote?
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Questionmarktarius
10/11/19 1:28:06 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
what if they're just cold and trying to warm up and stop their nipples from poking through their turtleneck?

I did not know I had that fetish until just now.

RickyTheBAWSE posted...
what did you get from that quote?

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assassingriskel
10/11/19 1:31:05 PM
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White people once again proving they are the real snowflakes

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spudger
10/11/19 1:31:59 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
spudger posted...
anybody burning books is acting like a nazi


what if they're just cold and trying to warm up and stop their nipples from poking through their turtleneck?

they could burn bras instead
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nemu
10/11/19 1:32:47 PM
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Sounds like they're justified in bitching, but they picked the dumbest way to do so.
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