Board 8 > Do you think the United States will have an atheist or female president first?

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I dont mean tiptoeing around the fact atheist. I mean someone who publicly and boldly declared that as their stance.

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I'd say we have about a 30% chance of a female president in 2020, and a less than 1% chance of an atheist president prior to 2050

there's more women than atheists in the world I'll take those odds
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depends if they have to be openly atheist or not

because if not, trump is already here
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Definitely a woman before an open atheist

(Very likely weve already had privately atheist presidents, though.)
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Grimlyn posted...

depends if they have to be openly atheist or not

because if not, trump is already here

Mr. two Corinthians? Surely not...!
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Trump is most certainly not an atheist, he is merely intensely bad at practicing his religion

Grimlyn posted...

depends if they have to be openly atheist or not

because if not, trump is already here

Id say an atheist president would have to be hated by the religious right not powered by them

PerfectChaosZ posted...

Grimlyn posted...

depends if they have to be openly atheist or not

because if not, trump is already here

Id say an atheist president would have to be hated by the religious right not powered by them

They seem to be totally fine with him cheating on his wives etc, so why not?
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Mr. two Corinthians? Surely not...!

I mean that's how they say it in the UK!

but yeah I don't think he's an atheist, just a nominal Christian
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I guarantee theres been an atheist president already they just lied about believing in God because its necessary for votes

PerfectChaosZ posted...

Id say an atheist president would have to be hated by the religious right not powered by them

i mean the religious right are also the biggest supporters of guns so it's not like they actually stick to scripture at all
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Grimlyn posted...

i mean the religious right are also the biggest supporters of guns so it's not like they actually stick to scripture at all

yeah they totally ignore that verse that says "thou shalt not own guns"
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LadyVyxx posted...

I guarantee theres been an atheist president already they just lied about believing in God because its necessary for votes

Yeah, I'm taking atheist here to mean both atheist *and* nonreligious, which are of course two different things, but it's a lot more likely than "religious adherent who openly does not believe in god" (and I think "nonreligious, but spiritual/believes in god" is significantly more likely to go over well)

Private doubt or even disbelief in the existence of god is actually pretty common among religious adherents, and it's literally impossible to tell what any given person thinks given the dire social consequences of publicly admitting this

Openly atheist christianity does actually exist but it's a niche movement

The religious right being in favor of war is the real hypocritical stance. Real Christians are pacifists.
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Mac Arrowny posted...

The religious right being in favor of war is the real hypocritical stance. Real Christians are pacifists.

Real Christians?

People who believe in the teaching of Jesus Christ, yes.
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The Bible doesn't teach pacifism though.
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Jesus was 100% about nonviolence.
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And then He leads a war in Revelation.
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Also, there's a difference in teaching His followers to be nonviolent and being anti-war. The Bible is many things, but anti-war it is not.
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Yeah it'll definitely take at least another generation or two until it's likely for an openly atheist president. Like if one tried now they wouldn't even make it to primaries.
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Eh, Revelation is part of the point. There's no need to be violent now, since evil will get its comeuppance in the end.

I'd generally say nonviolence and anti-war are the same thing, but I suppose you could disagree. I'm not sure there's much for pro-war stuff in the New Testament.

Now, if you're a Jew, being pro-war is totally cool, since the Old Testament's all about that. The curious thing is how so many Christians think that way!
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How long do you think it will take the United States to have a female atheist?

Well, the difference is we're talking about what individuals ought to do and what the government has the authority to do. Paul in Romans says that the government has the power to "wield the sword," whether it be for capital punishment or for war. It's similar to how sometimes people use the whole "Eye for an eye" thing to discredit the Old Testament. "Eye for an eye" wasn't used to settle personal grudges. It was a legal principle for those in charge to follow when punishing those who break the law (and the basic idea is "The punishment must fit the crime").
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Yes, openly atheist

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LeonhartFour posted...

I mean that's how they say it in the UK!

but yeah I don't think he's an atheist, just a nominal Christian

I had a pastor who pronounced it "2 Corinthians" and I'm not saying that's why we left that church but we left that church not super long after he showed up

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Maybe we'll have both at the same time? An Atheist Female President. Fuck yeah!

Unfortunately, it'll be a while before we're ready for an openly atheist President. And some people still think (in large part for the same reasons! Religion!) that we shouldn't have a female President. I mean even Bernie Sanders started with that nonsense answer of "Everyone believes in God in their own ways."

But as modern morality evolves at an ever-increasing pace and science advances at an even faster one, Christianity isn't having time to catch up. So eventually (not in our lifetimes, I suspect) the religion will wane and secular-humanism will rise. And then we may finally have an Atheist President. But it'll be a very long ways off, I'm afraid.

That said, Donald Trump is definitely a Christian. Much like Joel Osteen is, and Steven Anderson, and the pastor and the members of the congregation in Oklahoma who beat a gay man trying to convert him, as well as the members of the congregation in North Carolina who beat and choked a gay man to 'beat the demons out of him'. They're just an ugly side of Christianity that is very present in the bible, but people would much rather ignore.
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Ashethan posted...

Maybe we'll have both at the same time? An Atheist Female President. Fuck yeah!

an atheist female villain rival president with great quotes
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Atheist may never happen.

Woman probably will sooner or later.

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I wouldn't be too shocked if we have a woman within the next three presidencies. We've 100% already had atheist presidents, but if we're talking publicly, it's not going to happen until at the very least all current politicians/party decision-makers are dead.
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Taft didn't believe in the divinity of Jesus. That's kind of close.

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personally I think we're about a couple decades away from an atheist (or at least non-Christian) President with the rate the church is dwindling and aging but I'm also expecting a post-Trump backlash that may or may not happen (and may or may not affect the church any more than it already has)

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LeonhartFour posted...

Grimlyn posted...

i mean the religious right are also the biggest supporters of guns so it's not like they actually stick to scripture at all

yeah they totally ignore that verse that says "thou shalt not own guns"

Zing!
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HeroicSpiderPig posted...

Taft didn't believe in the divinity of Jesus. That's kind of close.

Haven't we had deist presidents, like Jefferson? The question isn't "not Christian"
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Trump is definitely an atheist.

It's not that he's a "bad Christian", but everything about theism is antithetical to who he is. Can you imagine the guy giving any credit to a creator? lol.

Literally every time he's talked about "being a Christian", it's highly performative in a way that you can tell he doesn't even believe it.

That being said, I think we'll have a woman president before we ever even have a Top 10 CANDIDATE for President that calls themselves an Atheist.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

It's not that he's a "bad Christian", but everything about theism is antithetical to who he is. Can you imagine the guy giving any credit to a creator? lol.

Well, he's openly said that he doesn't think he's ever needed to ask God for forgiveness.

I guess it depends on how we're defining atheist and Christian here. Does Trump act like a Christian? Not really, most of the time. Does that mean he disavows the existence of God entirely? Not necessarily.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Well, he's openly said that he doesn't think he's ever needed to ask God for forgiveness.

Imagine being a devout Christian and thinking that this man is a great President.

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Performative christianity isn't just christianity, it's one of its dominant forms

If someone waves around christian identity like a cudgel of moral superiority, then saying they're not really christian because they don't actually believe it is inane

Atheist more likely to come from the Democratic party if ever. Woman more likely to come from the republican party if sooner than later.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Literally every time he's talked about "being a Christian", it's highly performative in a way that you can tell he doesn't even believe it.

So like 50% of American Christians aren't Christian?
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Corrik7 posted...

Atheist more likely to come from the Democratic party if ever. Woman more likely to come from the republican party if sooner than later.

Bro there are like 3 women in the entire Republican Party.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Bro there are like 3 women in the entire Republican Party.

Yeah, if Trump wins 2020, Ivanka will be your 2024 President. So, if it is sooner, it will be a republican.

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If a woman got past the primaries the republicans would definitely vote for her though, unlike democrats who categorically undervoted their woman candidate
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She would also pick off a ton of feminist support from the Democrats while all the Republicans fell in line.

It's about getting through the primaries... And a 2024 Ivanka bid after a 2 term donald is the best bet. Keeps name recognition while being a much more measured and cool feminist.

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Ivanka's name is Donald?
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Corrik7 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Bro there are like 3 women in the entire Republican Party.

Yeah, if Trump wins 2020, Ivanka will be your 2024 President. So, if it is sooner, it will be a republican.

...Do you actually believe this?
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Corrik7 posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Bro there are like 3 women in the entire Republican Party.

Yeah, if Trump wins 2020, Ivanka will be your 2024 President. So, if it is sooner, it will be a republican.

Lololol

If...

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DlXIECARTERKHAN posted...

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