Current Events > Ignorant person: "Im tired of the politics in videogames nowadays!"

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ultimate reaver posted...

"Get politics out of games" has always meant, deep down, "Get politics that I personally don't agree with out of games"

Okay, not even deep down. The surface level cognitive dissonance is pretty visible and intense

Or maybe, just maybe, it means "stop writing bad characters and stories because you are physically incapable of fellating yourself".
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Banana_Cyanide posted...

ultimate reaver posted...

"Get politics out of games" has always meant, deep down, "Get politics that I personally don't agree with out of games"

Okay, not even deep down. The surface level cognitive dissonance is pretty visible and intense

Or maybe, just maybe, it means "stop writing bad characters and stories because you are physically incapable of fellating yourself".

The outrage never happens after release. It's before.
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Darmik posted...

Banana_Cyanide posted...

ultimate reaver posted...

"Get politics out of games" has always meant, deep down, "Get politics that I personally don't agree with out of games"

Okay, not even deep down. The surface level cognitive dissonance is pretty visible and intense

Or maybe, just maybe, it means "stop writing bad characters and stories because you are physically incapable of fellating yourself".

The outrage never happens after release. It's before.

Yeah, the whole 'I'm fine with minority representation as long as it's good' has never not been transparent as hell.
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Conflict posted...

People are literally crying about women in MK11 getting their boobs nerfed and claiming it's SJW shit so it's not quite a strawman

I don't get mortal kombat games all the time, but I am glad I got Mortal Kombat X, and don't need to get 11.

Also I won't be getting Last Of Us 2, but really cause I thought ellie was annoying in LOU 1, and playing a game mainly as her? Nah I'm good.

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Banana_Cyanide posted...

Or maybe, just maybe, it means "stop writing bad characters and stories because you are physically incapable of fellating yourself".

Oh, give me a break. Have even a little self respect for yourself enough to not be so disingenuous

Nobody actually gives a shit about actual story, context, or content at the end of the day in the perpetual outrage machine. Neither the people who are crying about women or minorities appearing in things or people who are persistently hunting down things to be offended by. Almost everything is dictated by images and second hand stories that let them easily react to things


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I don't mind as long as it isn't hamfisted nor insulting to the players' intelligence. Though I don't see games as a high brow medium anyways.

I think FS1 had the right idea with SFY, a somewhat popular sports show where they have 2 black male hosts and a lot of times panels where it is all black men (I think only 3* white guys show up)

*Doug Gottlieb is Jewish

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Writing a political story is a bit different than slapping on something extra for brownie points in advertising
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Antifar posted...

Curious definition of nobody

Considering the people I'm referring to are the people you seem to hate, I find it odd that you're so worried that I define them as nobody.
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AlecSkorpio posted...

Antifar posted...

Curious definition of nobody

Considering the people I'm referring to are the people you seem to hate, I find it odd that you're so worried that I define them as nobody.

I just mean that "nobody cared until some people did" is an accurate descriptor of basically every situation.
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CasualGuy posted...

Writing a political story is a bit different than slapping on something extra for brownie points in advertising

but also people got pissed at the newest Wolfenstein game

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MaverickXeo posted...

When you look at the people who play said games; I'd say they are a 'fringe minority.'

Yes, women play games. How many play games like CoD, etc, though?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_video_games#Genre_preferences

7% of the population who play FPS are women in this study.

By that metric, I'm not a gamer.

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Garioshi posted...

MaverickXeo posted...

When you look at the people who play said games; I'd say they are a 'fringe minority.'

Yes, women play games. How many play games like CoD, etc, though?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_video_games#Genre_preferences

7% of the population who play FPS are women in this study.

By that metric, I'm not a gamer.

It was merely showing that catering to 7% of your audience, at the cost of 93%, is a poor business move. I don't care either way, but it is important to note this statistic.
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There isn't a single FPS game that caters to women over men.
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Darmik posted...

There isn't a single FPS game that caters to women over men.

How exactly do you cater shooting people in the head more towards women?
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Evening_Dragon posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

Garioshi posted...

Lol

lmao

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Gamerguymass posted...

Darmik posted...

There isn't a single FPS game that caters to women over men.

How exactly do you cater shooting people in the head more towards women?

You probably can't. That's why an FPS that caters to women over men doesn't exist.
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Darmik posted...

Imagine getting your panties twisted over an arcade ending in Mortal Kombat.

A Mortal Kombat character used time travel to end slavery? Well that's just ridiculous! Mortal Kombat endings are usually...uhh...?

"Jax was a good black man with strong American patriotism until he wanted to change history with his wokeness"
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Lol the 'dhey always have been political' bs

I don't care about politics in game, it's whatever as long as I can have fun playing the game.

Finding people legit losing their shit over politics in games is tiring though. If you're gonna lose your shit over something like that in a game, lose your shit over how right MGS2 was in retrospect. Close enough to be freaky.

people don't care that something is political, they care that it's political and about something they don't want to hear about
people are pretty transparent about it, despite how much they try to argue otherwise

Gamerguymass posted...

Putting a woman at the forefront of WWII with a mechanical arm that didn't even exist during the time period is a perfect example of SJW nonsense.

does the fantasy of mechanical arms no longer count when there's a woman involved? does historical accuracy only matter if a woman is involved?

MudKip_Master posted...

Lol the 'dhey always have been political' bs

I find it funny how these people can't tell the difference between politics as a story telling device and real world politics.
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Illuminoius posted...

people don't care that something is political, they care that it's political and about something they don't want to hear about
people are pretty transparent about it, despite how much they try to argue otherwise

Gamerguymass posted...

Putting a woman at the forefront of WWII with a mechanical arm that didn't even exist during the time period is a perfect example of SJW nonsense.

does the fantasy of mechanical arms no longer count when there's a woman involved? does historical accuracy only matter if a woman is involved?

I don't know why it was such an outrage when something like Wonder Woman was not. Same sort of scenario, right? I would assume because BF has typically been more 'realistic' than other similar shooters.
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Banana_Cyanide posted...

MudKip_Master posted...

Lol the 'dhey always have been political' bs

I find it funny how these people can't tell the difference between politics as a story telling device and real world politics.

List some examples then.
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I might go back and start replaying some underrated gems from the good old days, before activist game "developers" started to use them to shoehorn their views and politics into video games.

What do you guys think, should I play Deus Ex, Fallout, FFVII, or MGS?

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R_Jackal posted...

I don't care about politics in game, it's whatever as long as I can have fun playing the game.

Finding people legit losing their shit over politics in games is tiring though. If you're gonna lose your shit over something like that in a game, lose your shit over how right MGS2 was in retrospect. Close enough to be freaky.

what did MGS2 do? (never played it before)

MGS2 is pretty complicated to talk about. Basically it was a critique of the information age and how it can be manipulated and controlled.

It even tied into the marketing. The main character was someone that wasn't in the marketing at all.
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Darmik posted...

MGS2 is pretty complicated to talk about. Basically it was a critique of the information age and how it can be manipulated and controlled.

It even tied into the marketing. The main character was someone that wasn't in the marketing at all.

And the sterile nature of sequels.


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SolKarellen posted...

And the sterile nature of sequels.

This actually never crossed my mind since everything about the Shadow Moses simulation aspect gets yanked off the stage for THE PATRIOTS as soon as Ocelot finishes his spiel.
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I think it's more the types of politics that it has that matters. Contemporary identity politics bullshit = cringe and bad
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Darmik posted...

Gamerguymass posted...

Darmik posted...

There isn't a single FPS game that caters to women over men.

How exactly do you cater shooting people in the head more towards women?

You probably can't. That's why an FPS that caters to women over men doesn't exist.

That's accidentally a good point, they should stop trying to pander towards people who don't play these sorts of games anyway
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Darmik posted...

Gamerguymass posted...

Darmik posted...

There isn't a single FPS game that caters to women over men.

How exactly do you cater shooting people in the head more towards women?

You probably can't. That's why an FPS that caters to women over men doesn't exist.

That's accidentally a good point, they should stop trying to pander towards people who don't play these sorts of games anyway

But they need the woke points from gaming journalists!
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Ridiculous that games like No One Lives Forever and Perfect Dark would be seen as pandering now.

And not just, y'know, games trying to stand out with a unique image and character. Nah that makes too much sense. It's a personal attack on white men.
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Darmik posted...

Ridiculous that games like No One Lives Forever and Perfect Dark would be seen as pandering now.

And not just, y'know, games trying to stand out with a unique image and character. Nah that makes too much sense. It's a personal attack on white men.

You guys need to slow down, theres going to be a shortage of straw by the time Halloween season rolls around.

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The Admiral posted...

Darmik posted...

Ridiculous that games like No One Lives Forever and Perfect Dark would be seen as pandering now.

And not just, y'know, games trying to stand out with a unique image and character. Nah that makes too much sense. It's a personal attack on white men.

You guys need to slow down, theres going to be a shortage of straw by the time Halloween season rolls around.

Feel free to show me the FPS that caters to women over men.

Because the closest ones I can think of are ones focused on playable women in the marketing.
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Darmik posted...

Ridiculous that games like No One Lives Forever and Perfect Dark would be seen as pandering now.

And not just, y'know, games trying to stand out with a unique image and character. Nah that makes too much sense. It's a personal attack on white men.

I haven't played either of those (need to play the former though) but I really doubt their politicking (if there is any) is ANYTHING like the sort of thing you see in the newer Wolfenstein games

No one cares if you play as a woman. Ion Fury isn't currently getting shit on on Steam because people just now realized the main character is a woman, lol. It's because the devs caved in to sensitive Sallys
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Darmik posted...

Feel free to show me the FPS that caters to women over men.

Because the closest ones I can think of are ones focused on playable women in the marketing.

What the hell does an FPS that caters to women even mean?

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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

I haven't played either of those (need to play the former though) but I really doubt their politicking (if there is any) is ANYTHING like the sort of thing you see in the newer Wolfenstein games

What sort of things are those?

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

No one cares if you play as a woman. Ion Fury isn't currently getting shit on on Steam because people just now realized the main character is a woman, lol. It's because the devs caved in to sensitive Sallys

Sounds like those people aren't tired of having politics in their games if they're reviewbombing a game because it removed a transphobic joke.
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The Admiral posted...

Darmik posted...

Feel free to show me the FPS that caters to women over men.

Because the closest ones I can think of are ones focused on playable women in the marketing.

What the hell does an FPS that caters to women even mean?

MaverickXeo posted...

Garioshi posted...

MaverickXeo posted...

When you look at the people who play said games; I'd say they are a 'fringe minority.'

Yes, women play games. How many play games like CoD, etc, though?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_video_games#Genre_preferences

7% of the population who play FPS are women in this study.

By that metric, I'm not a gamer.

It was merely showing that catering to 7% of your audience, at the cost of 93%, is a poor business move. I don't care either way, but it is important to note this statistic.

No idea. Ask him. That's where the discussion branched from.
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GameGodOfAll posted...

masterpug53 posted...

Godnorgosh posted...

GameGodOfAll posted...

At least FF7 is being remade. I hope they don't shove a bunch of political bullshit into that game!

You mean aside from the politics already blatant in the original release? lol

There's a good chance he was being sarcastic.

There's a similar one about Fallout going from being about the horrors of nuclear war to "awesome nuke guns!!!"
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Ah here it is


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Darmik posted...

What sort of things are those?

Basically everything Grace says about white people (the bit about how white people have given up and only blacks are still resisting the nazis, the shit about the KKK controlling the south, etc). Now that's not really an egregious thing of course since BJ fires back about it but I'd be willing to bet it's more politics than NOLF has. So, your turn, what political commentary does NOLF have?

Darmik posted...

Sounds like those people aren't tired of having politics in their games if they're reviewbombing a game because it removed a transphobic joke.

No they're tired of real world politics influencing games, that's always been the point. Idk what the transphobic thing was (only that it was in an out of bounds section of the game) but the "homophobic" joke wasn't political by nature, it only became political when people demanded that it be removed.
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

I think it's more the types of politics that it has that matters. Contemporary identity politics bulls*** = cringe and bad

Like anything, it depends on how it's handled.

A lot of contemporary politics in games nowadays is just handled badly for a serious narrative, like in Life is Strange 2.. It also dates the game terribly.

Then you have stuff like Doom, or Far Cry 5, which is satirical, so you aren't meant to take any of the political crap seriously... Unless you're Kotaku or Polygon.

Garioshi posted...

What ass creed game was that

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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Basically everything Grace says about white people (the bit about how white people have given up and only blacks are still resisting the nazis, the shit about the KKK controlling the south, etc). Now that's not really an egregious thing of course since BJ fires back about it but I'd be willing to bet it's more politics than NOLF has. So, your turn, what political commentary does NOLF have?

What point are you trying to make? Why is that bad?

Should a game about Nazis never talk about the politics of that society?

Nobody is consistent about what the complaint is. Is it female characters, is it contemporary modern politics or politics period? You seem to be complaining about the latter?

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

No they're tired of real world politics influencing games, that's always been the point. Idk what the transphobic thing was (only that it was in an out of bounds section of the game) but the "homophobic" joke wasn't political by nature, it only became political when people demanded that it be removed.

You're complaining that a joke you know nothing about was removed?
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*Person A makes a true general statement*

*Person B deliberately list an exception to Person A's claim as if the exception makes the original claim untrue*
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Darmik posted...

What point are you trying to make? Why is that bad?

Should a game about Nazis never talk about the politics of that society?

Nobody is consistent about what the complaint is. Is it female characters, is it contemporary modern politics or politics period? You seem to be complaining about the latter?

Personally, I don't think it's bad. I'm generally very hard to offend, I'm just explaining why some people are annoyed. Your ilk are acting like just having a female protag is the same as having a woman with a mechanical arm as an infantryman in a WWI game or a black woman that takes the time to shit on whitey in a time when mechanically augmented super nazis run the planet, it's a pretty dumb conflation on its face, lol. Still waiting on the stuff from NOLF that's political btw

Darmik posted...

You're complaining that a joke you know nothing about was removed?

No but other people are. And that's ok
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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Personally, I don't think it's bad. I'm generally very hard to offend, I'm just explaining why some people are annoyed. Your ilk are acting like just having a female protag is the same as having a woman with a mechanical arm as an infantryman in a WWI game or a black woman that takes the time to shit on whitey in a time when mechanically augmented super nazis run the planet, it's a pretty dumb conflation on its face, lol. Still waiting on the stuff from NOLF that's political btw

So a woman in a world war 2 game is political but a James Bond inspired game set in the 60's with a lead woman secret agent is not?

Why?

If you see that conversation as 'shitting on whitey' you really missed the point of that conversation.

It's set in an alternate universe where America is run by Nazi's. Of course people who are victims of that regime will fight more than the people who benefit or are left alone. Like that's barely even a political stance as much as an observation. How do you think Nazis gain power exactly?

If gamers find stuff like that as too confrontational that's just sad. It's also not a world apart from shit seen in games like Deus Ex or Fallout either.
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Garioshi posted...

lol
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Doom_Art posted...

coh posted...

I think people just have a problem with SJW nonsense in games, not political themes as a whole.

SJW nonsense such as women/gay/trans people existing?

Yep
They exist. So lets force them into everything at every opportunity
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